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Noting

This article was inspired by a discussion at the Teahouse, Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1152#Help_in_creating_Wikipedia_Article_for_organization. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And we're live

@Divingenthusiast2005, @BeanieFan11, other interested, article now in mainspace. Like everything around here, it's a work in progress. I don't think it will be deleted, but at least it won't be without a formal 1-week discussion first.

There are more exhibits mentioned in for example Howard, Willie (9 March 2007), but I haven't added much since it could be wildly out-of-date. Feel free to comment and edit as appropriate.

@Tryptofish, perhaps you'll find this one interesting, I'm sure there's a fish in there somewhere. Divingenthusiast2005 is an employee of the museum, and has adapted to the surroundings like a champ. It took me a while to figure out why the name of the village began with "Islam".

Hi @Jenhawk777, I started an article on a museum in Florida! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:25, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not there's a fish in there, Atsme can do me one better: she's a very accomplished diver! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Tryp but we actually have Pbsouthwood who has all the advanced certs plus more as a tech diver, and as a WP editor, is focused on that topic area with GAs to his credit. Perhaps he can find time to respond to this ping. Atsme 💬 📧 20:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm sure someone can take a deep dive into the source material. (Sorry, I couldn't resist that one!) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:20, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gråbergs Gråa Sång That's awesome! It looks interesting.

I will have to think of something Swedish to write on... Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Atsme, I got your ping, Is there anything specific I should be looking at? I have added the article into the project navbox and added n infobox, which has space for a bit of additional information. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 09:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Peter, I had nothing specific in mind so I'll just say thank you for your timely response and additions to the article. Atsme 💬 📧 12:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Always happy to be notified of a new diving-related article. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 14:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't looked closely at any of these sources, but a Google Scholar search seems to return some sources that might help establish notability: [1]. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:59, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That looks fantastic! Thank you so much for your work, and for tagging others. The best part about this job is getting to see new people learn about what we do.

I have added some photos, apologies for EXIF data being cropped on a few, but they are my own photos. It's just been a pain uploading directly from my phone as it likes to rotate things...If I need to add anything or attempt to reupload, please let me know. These photos are all 100% ours and taken today.

Front entrance to Museum: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:History_of_Diving_Museum_Front_Entrance.jpg

John Lethbridge diving suit(one of my favorites, I mean look at this thing): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lethbridge_diving_apparatus_replica_(1715).jpg#%7B%7Bint%3Afiledesc%7D%7D I notice a diagram of it is on the history of diving Wikipedia page, but no replica.

Our Parade of Nations exhibit(probably what we are most known for, basically, a room with an enormous assortment of diving helmets arranged in a semi-circle). https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parade_of_Nations_Exhibit.jpg

Iron Mike Atmosphere Diving Suit(ADS), I don't see any model like him mentioned on the ADS page. He's pretty cool(1930s design used to recover sunken treasure and, once, a body): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iron_Mike_Atmospheric_Diving_Suit.jpg

Another design I notice exists on Wikipedia only as a diagram; we have a replica. 1832 Deane brothers diving helmet design, also known as the first diving helmet ever made: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deane_Brothers_Diving_Helmet.jpg

Miller-Dunn diving helmets. Not a lot of people know about this design. It's pretty unique, and these were the first helmets that allowed the average person to dive recreationally, since they were available to the public; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Miller_Dunn_Divinhood_Diving_Helmets.jpg

Rum-runner helmet, a homemade diving helmet made out of a water heater that was used in smuggling operations during Prohibition. Basically, Canadian producers or distributors would throw crates of alcohol into the Detroit river as "deliveries", and a diver wearing this would retrieve them. Maybe it could find a home on the Prohibition page? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rum-runner_Helmet.jpg Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 21:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Divingenthusiast2005, I'm sorry, but I reverted your edit - you should take a look at WP:EUPHEMISM. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 22:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, thank you. Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Divingenthusiast2005, dont worry about rotation, you can just request rotation on Commons, and it gets done by a bot. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 10:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like the rum-runner. It should have a place somewhere, perhaps Rum Patrol, Rum-running or related article. Try to dig up some good sources (WP:OFFLINE may be of interest), add some text in the article the pic can reasonably illustrate, and bingo. Or, if you're feeling less WP:BOLD, make a suggestion at a relevant talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

I have added the template for an infobox in the hope that the missing information will be provided. Divingenthusiast2005, if you have any of the missing information, and can provide suitable sources, please do so on this talk page, and I or another uninvolved editor will assess the source and make the edits in the article, thus avoiding any quibbles about paid editing and CoI. (Note that these restrictions do not apply to uploading photos to Commons, or to editing any article in which you have no CoI.) Ping me when you have stuff for me to look at, sometimes my attention is spread a bit thin. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 09:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much! I will be sure to make use of that. Can you tell me what information is needed? Sorry if I missed anything. Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 20:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you check the Edit source tab in the article (I'm on a laptop, things may look different on a phone), you'll see some parameters under "Infobox museum" that are empty. If you know some of the obvious ones you can fill them in. Per WP:ABOUTSELF it's probably ok to cite a page on your own webcite for these, as you can see PS did that. Stuff that's aleady cited in the article text doesn't need to be cited again, an infobox is mostly meant to be obvious simple facts from the article text. See Template:Infobox museum for a description on what the parameters mean, some are a bit mysterious. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, do you know if the size/area of the place is mentioned somewhere at https://divingmuseum.org/, or in a fairly recent source? I saw one from 2006, but thought things could have changed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've come across a couple of sources that say the exhibit area is around 3000+ sq ft - not finding 6000 sq ft. CNTravelor, Fla Keys News, MuseumsUSA.org, Florida Keys Council of the Arts. Atsme 💬 📧 11:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What @Atsme said is correct, current size of the exhibits is 3000 sq feet according to the director. Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 17:23, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I tried some formatting of the infobox, and I couldn't make it work. I tried making the logo smaller, to take up less space on the page, and I tried removing the pagename just above the box, because it's redundant to an almost comical degree (sez me). It was this test edit: [2], which I self-reverted. I don't see any difference. If anyone else wants to do it, please do. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Finding other sources

It's Sunday, and I'm being a little lazy but I found BayNews9. It has some interesting points we could include, yes? It's authored by Spectrum Sports Staff, FL. Atsme 💬 📧 21:23, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I may be grumpy now, but it does sound a little advert-y. We've seen worse, though. IMO stuff like "interactive" more or less goes without saying these days. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spectrum News – I think it's safe to use the source but tone down the language.Atsme 💬 📧 11:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Atsme@Peter Southwood, others, what do you think of deeperblue.com as a source, ok-ish or too blogish? [3]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rank it right up there with today's online news media - they have an editorial staff, they're widely read, they're global, they've been around since 1996. There are some variables, such as credentials of the author, and whether or not the published material is verifiable. If it's corroborated in other sources, all the better. Atsme 💬 📧 11:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spin-off

I wondered what Women Divers Hall of Fame was, so I started that article too. 10+ redlinks suddenly turned blue. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]