Talk:Heroes Chronicles

Storyline

I just finished playing the Heroes Chronicles, so I know the story fairly well, but i'm not good at editing wikipedia. if i write them here or in email, could someone else write the descriptions on the actual page for me?

P2005t 17:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Er, maybe? Go ahead and post what you have on the talk page first if you'd rather it be vetted by an editor. Just keep a mind for doing encyclopedic writing, so try and avoid minutiae ("And then Bob found an ax that increased his attack by 2- well, at least in my playthrough." etc.) SnowFire 23:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the summary of Warlords of the Wasteland today. I'll do the other this weekend if this is good enough. Someone can edit it to make it sound better or look better if needed:

In Warlords of the Wasteland, Tarnum learns from a dying bard that the barbarians were once glorious. Tales of a barbarian named Jarg inspire Tarnum to set out to free the barbarian people from the rule of Wizard-Kings of Bracaduun. He appoints Hardac as an adviser. Tarnum is at first considered a mere rebel, but as he grows more influential, the wizards begin to take him more seriously. A wizard named Kurl captures the 4 remaining bards and threatens to kill them if Tarnum did not disband his army. Tarnum, however, kills Kurl in time to save 3 of the bards. Realizing his need for more forces, Tarnum seeks the aid of the Mudlanders who are also enslaved by Bracaduun. Together, the 2 groups reconquer their rightful land.

Not satisfied, Tarnum leads an army east into the Wallpeaks (the fortified mountains between the barbarian lands and Bracaduun). Hardac's son, Tordac, is killed in battle here. After breaking through the Wallpeaks, Tarnum heads north to seek the aid of a tribe of barbarians that once followed Jarg. He discovers the dead body of his eldest sister here. Tarnum's sisters were taken by the wizards long ago because each family was only allowed one child. She was killed by his own army. The barbarians in the area find Tarnum to be cruel and tyrannical. Tarnum's own men begin to desert him because of his insanity and aggression. Eventually, Tarnum poisons his remaining advisors during a feast. Tarnum commands his followers to defeat what remains of the Empire of Bracaduun. While on this mission, Tarnum meets his father who is worried about the things he has heard about Tarnum. His father dies in bed shortly before Tarnum finishes his conquest of Castle Steelhorn, the final fort of Bracaduun.

Many years after the fall of Bracaduun, Rion Gryphonhart starts the new kingdom known as Erathia. Rion Gryphonhart eventually meets Tarnum in battle and kills him. Tarnum is judged by his barbarian gods, the Ancestors, to be unworthy of entering Paradise. Instead, he is cast back to the planet. So, is this good? I don't want to create 7 more summaries only to have none of them be good enough.

P2005t 02:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems fair enough to me. I will warn you that some factions on Wikipedia are not huge fans of long plot summaries, but this doesn't seem too over-detailed. I took the liberty of making a few spelling changes. Only thing I'd add is that be careful not to take "Tarnum POV;" as in, it's probably not an objective fact that it is their "rightful land," though they may consider it so. I'd say go ahead and add it, though you can probably be even more brief for any other plot write-ups you do. SnowFire 21:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

alright, well it will probably actually be next weekend that i will write the rest because this one is almost over. i will try to make them more brief by leaving out the less significant details 63.152.4.122 01:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I completed the descriptions later than I said I would, but here they are. Also, a bit of the text (like "Heroes of Might and Magic IV") might need to be made into links to other articles. I have the games listed in storyline order rather than game creation order, so I'm not sure if the storyline order would need to be mentioned on the page in order for the article to be more easily understood.

[Snipped by user. Long uncited summaries. Potentially inaccurate chronology. --P2005t (talk) 13:37, 17 December 2015 (UTC)]

P2005t 00:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

...and this can probably be deleted from the talk page after it is added to the article P2005t 00:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I checked the page today and noticed that a tag had been added. I admit I'm not the best at wording things, but I do think that this particular tag is not accurate. When I compiled the story, I only used information appearing in cinematics or in on-screen text boxes used to advance the story. After typing everything the first time, I then went through and cut its length in half. Although the section may still look needlessly long, keep in mind that it is describing 8 separate games, with several scenarios each, and many story boxes per scenario. Keep it tagged for cleanup, but not for "strategy guide" material, for the information in no way describes events under the player's control nor would it significantly help a player with the game. --P2005t (talk) 04:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

FoRM here. You should have talked more about the games themselves and less about their storyline. This is a Wikipedia page, not IGN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.203.128 (talk) 09:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Whether we're writing for IGN or not isn't really relevant in this situation, since you must try to bear in mind that the Heroes Chronicles are storyline, serving only to introduce new players and add to the series' lore. A section on gameplay would be completely obsolete unless you want to duplicate or link to the one from Heroes III, since the games are at their core simply standalone campaigns for that game. The article covers eight games anyway - in these circumstances there's bound to be a lengthy section on storyline regardless of the specifics. Monere (talk) 22:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Original writer here, logged into Wikipedia for the first time in nearly a decade. I actually agree now that my summary was a bit long. There's a ton of story in the game, but Wikipedia doesn't exist to explain all of that. More importantly, I'm happy the story section was finally removed because it was sort of an uncited mess. I understand it was removed in October 2015 due to being described in a primarily in-universe style, but to me it is more important that it was removed because when I was a teenager and wrote the original draft there is the potential I got the chronology of the 8 games wrong. It was quite alarming when a year or two ago I ran into people on the Internet using my summary as an argument from authority on the proper chronology. To rectify this issue, I reached out to the developers of the games as best I could, but I never received any kind of reply. If a reliable source ever does appear that states the game chronology, then someone could make a new and improved Story section, but if no such source comes to exist we should be very careful with what we publish. --P2005t (talk) 13:37, 17 December 2015 (UTC)