Talk:Grand Chase

Jean

I added the character Jean, who is the newest character to grand chase, hopefully more information will be forthcoming.

Hong Kong's game name

I have played in HK for about 2 years and I never heard/seen that Gamania,the hosting Company for Hong Kong Grand Chase call this game 3小俠.It is called 3小俠 in Taiwan as the offical name,but here in Hong Kong we just call them Grand Chase for the offical name.I don't know should I change it or not.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.102.207.176 (talk) 03:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Home page link

would anyone mind if I added the link to the main home page, or does it have to be more specific than that? --Consealed (talk) 11:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. 208.81.184.4 (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Overhaul

I have done a major overhaul to make the page notable. Please do not change back to an older version without good reason. We should not be copy-pasting large chucks of copyrighted text, not even with due credit. A "story" section isn't a bad idea, but copying the entire story would be a waste of space, a summary and link should be more than sufficient. 208.81.184.4 (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

In order to meet the notability guidelines, I have found 3rd party references for most of the data in the article. Most of these references come from IGN.com, but I will look for articles on other sites as well. 208.81.184.4 (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Last Accessed?

What is with the "Last Accessed" data on the notes? I have personally visited those sites more recently. Do those get automatically updated, or are they removed once the article is 'notable'? 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

System Requirements

As almost all Grand Chase servers are heading to Season 2, I believe the Korea requirements will be correct. I believe that Asiasoft did not bother replacing the Season 1 requirements to the Season 2 requirements. I hope this makes clear of the requirement issue

RasAlmond (talk) 04:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

There's a problem, though, as the requirements stated on the article are those of the North American servers. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 09:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, kind of right, but there are missing things from both Korea and International. Should I put the Korea version instead? RasAlmond (talk) 16:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I think we should use the Korean requirements. The game started off from there, after all. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 07:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, what the Hell. WP:UCS. Leave it. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 02:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Game Dimensions

I'm wondering...is Grand Chase a 2.5D or 3D game? The characters and monsters are rendered in 3D, yes, but the game seems to be played out on a 2D plane only. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 03:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe Grand Chase is a 2.5D game. 3D is out of the question because its not played like a 3D game. RasAlmond (talk) 09:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright then. Making the necessary adjustments. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 14:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No, the game is 2D. Super Paper Mario is considered 3D with it's 2D sprites. Why give 2D games with 3D models special names?--138.88.206.132 (talk) 13:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah...and then there's that note that 2.5D is an informal term. All right, I'm changing it (back?) to 2D. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 03:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Since the game doesn't play or feel like 3D (Only the sprites are), let's leave it to 2D. RasAlmond (talk) 04:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Alternate Job Names Confusion

Due to several versions of Grand Chase, the name of the alternate job for respective characters are different too. Should we remove it or fix to one version. Oh, not all the alternate job names are revealed too.

RasAlmond (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

My opinion is to take all job names from the Korean site until the names are available on the North American site. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 04:02, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

An additional note: If available, ALWAYS use the North American naming conventions for all in-game stuff, because this is the English Wikipedia, and only the Americans, not the British, have a Grand Chase server of their own. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 13:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Playstyle deletion

For some reason, I think how the characters are played should be deleted, including their alternate jobs, since Wikipedia is not a game guide, as per Wikipedia:Game_guide. Give suggestion over this. RasAlmond (talk) 04:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen this? I just did, and I'm afraid that, as per Point 3, we have to make amends and remove that section. WP:IAR doesn't apply here, so it can't be helped. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 06:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Your previous edit was, in my opinion is okay. We should follow WP:IAR on some details, because if we were to remove further details in this wiki would become blant, with very few details, and might face notability question.

This is an example of how blant it would be.

Elesis is a Kanavan Knight and daughter of a Kanavan Tracker who never returned after he was dispatched to find KazeAze. Her reason for joining Grand Chase is to find her missing father whom she loved.

Further blant would be

Elesis is a knight.

So, we should put slight backstory and brief details on how the character is played, but not too much on their skills. RasAlmond (talk) 13:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright. I'll reverse my edit undone so you can work on it as you see fit. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 14:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

One more thing: an article is deemed to be notable if it has received enough coverage from sources independent from the subject. This article already has four reliable sources (IGN, GameZone, Softpedia, and MobyGames), so if we can add another reliable source, I think we should have sufficient grounds to remove that notability tag. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 14:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

As per WP:VG/GL, we shouldn't touch on any skills. However, I followed WP:IAR in Elesis' case because she has that unique ability to Berserk. That is notable enough for its inclusion, in my opinion, as none of the other characters can do that. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 14:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Notability

I found one site that tells about Grand Chase, its Gamespy. Is it usable for notibility? http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/grand-chase/ RasAlmond (talk) 16:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. GameSpy is part of the IGN network, so it's basically the same as sourcing from IGN itself. Compare this to this, for instance. It's almost word-for-word, if not completely. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 01:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The only instance where GameSpy counts as a separate source is if it has content that differs from IGN. Compare this to this, for instance. Because these two reviews are different, they count as two separate sources, not one. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 01:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Can MMOsite or OnRPG article about Grand Chase be used for notability? RasAlmond (talk) 11:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to use them. However, I doubt that they will be of much use. If you want some sites which Wikipedia deems as reliable gaming sources, you can see this list. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 16:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Elsword

Referring to the edit "A sequel called Elsword has already been released."

Should we mention the sequel Elsword, which is not released elsewhere other than Korea (open-beta too)? There are not even adequate sources about Elsword around too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RasAlmond (talk • contribs) 10:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I think we should leave it out. The first problem is that we don't know if it's a direct sequel to Grand Chase. As far as I know, Elsword is the "next generation", but that's it. The second problem is that Grand Chase still has issues with its notability, this despite the fact that it has servers all around the world and each server provides details that are probably only just sufficient for an article of Grand Chase on Wikipedia. Details about Elsword are even poorer. In fact, all I know about the game is that it's made by KOG Studios, it utilises a 3D engine instead of a 2.5D one, and it has three protagonists: two girls and a guy. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 06:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Rampant Vandalism

It seems the Grand Chase article is constantly vandalised. Though I am just suggesting it, should we lock this article from IP vandals? 90% of them are usually vandals. RasAlmond (talk) 09:53, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, you could file a request at WP:RFP. It doesn't hurt to try. I once filed a request for Pokemon Emerald that was declined, and that was that. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 03:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

It seems that an IP block is in order only if there is sufficient recent activity, which in the sense of the Wikipedia administrators means about "one vandal per minute for at least ten days". -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 13:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Guess we have to do the hard way of undoing all those rampant vandals, which is like almost everyday. I suspect someone is intentionally trying to bother us by keep on vandalising. Due to the constant changing IP, it's like almost impossible to catch him unless IP Block. RasAlmond (talk) 19:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, if it's of any consolation to you, it'll increase our edit counts... -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 03:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Character Descriptions

Eik Corell - I've read the two links before. Brief descriptions of the characters are permitted for games. It's only overly-detailed information that qualifies as game-guide material. While I agree that most of the information should be removed, I don't agree that it should all be removed. Also, if you want to remove this information, please change the leading paragraph of the section so it makes sense. Just removing the information creates a broken flow. -Tainted Conformity ^Chat 21:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, This sort of info is most commonly seen as gamecruft, and having it in an article in an article usually results in two things - The sections growing and growing to the point of all other categories being virtually ignored, I'm sure you're aware of the large percentage of video game articles on wikipedia that don't even have sections like "gameplay", "plot", etc, but rather long lists of info that info fans of the game might find useful. That's my take on this stuff. Eik Corell (talk) 16:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I am going to agree with Elk on this issue since I think it is sufficient enough to have just a basic character description for each character. Having statistics and other information is probably just gamecruft. Scizor2 (talk) 01:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

So are we good for keeping it at what we have now then (brief description of each character)? That's what I was aiming for anyway, so let's just hope that others will check the talk page before reinserting character data. Might put a hidden note in that section to see if it will help. -Tainted Conformity ^Chat 12:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I've thought it over some more, and I can't see any reason to list the characters. If any of the info is relevant, it should go in the gameplay or plot section per gamecruft material, #5 and #6 specifically. Eik Corell (talk) 16:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I fail to see what #6 has to do with a character's background, as there's no gameplay details in them. They're the main characters, and the details are brief, and not excessive in detail, which is what #5 is talking about. I can see where you're coming from, but I have to respectfully disagree. Anyone else want to express their opinions? - Tainted Conformity ^Chat 21:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Sections on game characters fall under Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). There is no real-world perspective or secondary sources presented to justify this large section. In this case, the characters can be summarized in one or two sentences in the gameplay section. I'd also like to point out that the article on the whole is severely lacking in secondary sources - note that even the cited IGN sources are actually written by Ntreev staff, which is a neutrality issue. Marasmusine (talk) 09:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Fine by me. I'm starting to get sick of reverting people adding job information anyway. Maybe removing the characters entirely will stop them. ;P -Tainted Conformity ^Chat 12:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for reviving an issue that's settled, but I thought I should mention something, now that I'm just stopping by for a brief moment. If you look at the Playstyle deletion section, you'll notice that RasAlmond and I discussed a similar issue quite some time back. Back then, Grand Chase had a slightly more coherent plot going for it, and the characters in the game had some very prominent backstories which formed the bulk of what happened in the game. I've stopped playing this game on the SEA servers for over a year now, and during that time, that server was removed. However, I did return a few days before it was taken down to see what has changed, and saw that the backstory of the characters no longer had as much significance in the game as they did when I was still actively playing it. I've been watching from the sidelines ever since, and I don't really see character details having any significance in the game as it is now. Back then, the character details would have passed Point 5 of this and Point 1 of this. They no longer do. -- Androgeos Exeunt 14:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I really, really don't see why we can't just put a short description. Its like saying its wrong to put character classes. 98.155.159.178 (talk) 21:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Storyline and Story

Could I put the storyline back in? I was thinking about putting back in the storyline that was up on this article awhile ago, but I wasn't sure and thought I'd ask. It would be either this or this or both. I just wanted to ask first before re-adding it in case you guys didn't want it back in. 75.170.116.194 (talk) 20:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

"...on May 23rd, the service of the game has came back on North America" Any further informations, links, something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.186.37.54 (talk) 11:37, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Release dates

Changes to the release date must WP:CITE a WP:IRS.

Putting a URL in an edit summary does not make that URL easy to find for users who wish to verify the information. Please use an in-line citations.

User edited websites are not reliable sources. Arguments that the dates exist somewhere is not providing a reliable source. - SummerPhD^v2.0 18:17, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Where are all the citations?

This article is, currently, terribly undercitated. I'm currently researching sources for the release dates - with some minor successes. If you happened to stumble by here, do me a favor and help citate dates for the mobile port, will ya? On another note, if you're reading this in 2030, good day to you! Don't let this memory be forgotten so soon. GameOver2017 (talk) 15:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)