Talk:Doom Eternal

Lordtobi...

They weren’t even sorted in random order! They were sorted in the order of the platforms release/announcement. Why the hell would you be bothered by that!? MPedits (talk) 16:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

MPedits, as I already stated in multiple prior edits, we sort them first chronologically by release, then alphabetically. The game has no announced release dates for any of those platforms, so only the latter applies. Your order was random and not, as you stated, sorted by announcement, as PC, Switch, PS4 and Xbox One were announced simultaneously.[1] Lordtobi (✉) 18:43, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

YES. THEY. FUCKING. WERE. I’m not talking about confirmation that the game will be coming to those platfroms, I mean when the consoles themselves were announced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPedits (talk • contribs)

Why would anyone, ever, want to read a list of platforms a game was/will be released on ordered by the time of announcement of the platforms themselves? No one, especially not our average reader, casually looks up platform announcements dates just to understand why they are sorted in a particular manner on a particular article that is completely disconnect from these platforms' lifecycles. Out of anything that could, this would definetly confuse readers. Also, no need to WP:SHOUT. Lordtobi (✉) 20:19, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

MPedits, we only do a non alphabetically order if the game was released in that order. Example, if the Stadia version was released later then the other versions; then we will order it PC, PS4, Switch, XONE and Stadia. If the game was released on all the platforms simultaneously or there is no release dates for the game yet, we have to order the platforms alphabetically. TheDeviantPro (talk) 23:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I guess I was supposed to provide a proof of DOOM Eternal being actually titled "DOOM Eternal" because seemingly someone doubted it for some reason

So here it is: http://archive.fo/XqsDJ#selection-1321.0-1363.1 SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 13:58, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Full-caps stylizations are far from notable enough for the lead. Lordtobi (✉) 15:20, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Notable enough for all instances of DOOM to be correctly written on Wikipedia, because this is how avery game in the DOOM series was titled. However, Wikipedia is weird and considers it a "stylization". while at the same the stylized name "id Software" with full anti-caps is being enthusiastically stylized so much that often Wikipedia users even write the minor "i" when beginning a sentence in prose and thus breaking the rules of English language. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 15:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I personally think that even the "stylization" should be at least different from the title E.G. "DOOM ETERNAL" Instead of "DOOM Eternal" Not herobrine (talk) 13:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Multiplayer

There is no evidence that the game has standard multiplayer modes. As of right now they have only announced an asymmetrical mode. The source used only asks the question if players would prefer traditional deathmatch style modes. -8/16/19

Stadia removed from list of platforms in infobox "because it is a service"?

Stadia is a gaming console. Nobody cares if the game's actual software runs locally or on the cloud. As such, I'd say it should be listed. Note that it wasn't me who added it, but this anon. --uKER (talk) 20:40, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

UKER, per our guideliens:

|platforms= -- The unabbreviated console or operating system family for which the game was specifically developed. This includes dedicated ports, but not games in emulation or services.

(emphasis mine)

There were some discussions in the WikiProject but no consensus outside "it does not belong into the |platforms= field". The removal here was mostly inspired by @Masem's similar actions on Red Dead Redemption 2. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 21:17, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I find that differentiation utterly nonsensical (not meant as an attack towards you), but whatever. You may want to continue here because pretty much all of them list Stadia in the infobox. --uKER (talk) 22:34, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

UKER, there is an ongoing discussion (linked above) that you can participate in. Possibly an alternative (such as a separate |services= field) can be decided on there. Lordtobi (✉) 10:22, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

By the way, should we list Xbox One as a platform for X360 games available as part of backwards compatibility? Or would it be the same as listing PS3 for PS1 and PS2 games, 3DS for DS game, etc? Coolak (talk) 01:04, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Coolak, simply put: no. Backcompat games are games running in an emulator where the emulation config has been tweaked so the game runs best/better on the newer platform. Emulations are excluded per the same guideline as quoted above. Lordtobi (✉) 10:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

2 years after?

20:06, 14 January 2020 edit by user‎ 2605:a000:1417:483c:e6ce:8fff:fe77:9c95 added "Two years after the events of 2016's Doom" and said: Revealed to be set in 2151 in the new trailer. The game being set in 2151 is true but there's some confirmation, it's effectively set two years after Doom 2016? I can't find any in the text of source number 9. Lone Internaut (talk) 05:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Doom Eternal and Animal Crossing memes

Is this worth noting? Given the games have the same release date, there's a fair bit of "news" out there of the "unusual" pairing of these games. The official Doom account has even tweeted about it, and subsequently quoted on it by some pop culture sites out there. Tytrox (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

• It feels a bit like trivial details though. OceanHok (talk) 06:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
• I see enough RSing on it that a single line in the Dev section , about the day of release to say "Because both DE and AC were released the same day, fans of both games made numerous memes crossing over the characters and art from the titles." and that's it (at least at this point). --Masem (t) 18:09, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Also in light of the COVID-19 situtation, articles like this [2] support highlighting the common release date briefly. --Masem (t) 18:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Slayer's identity

It seems that some editors believe that the segments revealing the Doom Slayer's identity as Doomguy shouldn't be included in the Plot summary. Leaving aside the character was obviously meant to be the original Doomguy (cf. https://www.gameinformer.com/index.php/2019/06/09/doom-eternal-will-answer-the-question-of-who-the-doom-slayer-is ), it is intended to be a major reveal and his history as a human in Argent D'Nur does give story context to the Slayer's motivations and relationship with Earth and the Priests/Maykr. -- DiplomatCreate (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm fine with the current description of the cutscenes. Early on I was opposed to the inclusion as people kept claiming it was definitive proof that the game is a direct sequel to older games, and linking it as such. Doom 2016 was a reboot however. Yes, they share common narrative elements, but the name "Doomguy" appearing does not make it a direct sequel. -- ferret (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

While I accept that there's a dearth of sources to back it up so it shouldn't be added yet, it is very obvious that the developers intended to pull a retcon and have welded the two continuities together with Eternal and Doom 64 Lost Levels. In the fullness of time I'm sure concrete sources will clarify this point, right now only usgamer has even mentioned it. -- DiplomatCreate (talk) 22:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Even so, it shouldn't be in the plot but would be best described in the development section so it can clearly be stated as a retcon along with the extra new levels added to the Doom 64 port, which I believe isn't even out yet. -- ferret (talk) 22:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I respectfully just want to say that though I agree with the importance of the cutscenes. The way it is currently worded is overly detailed to the point where it literally describes what’s happening step by step. I think there’s no harm in rewording the description so that it’s shorter and gets to the point as a plot summary should. Conmon1015 (talk) 12:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

And yet despite my message here, you just made a claim that it's a direct sequel to past games. -- ferret (talk) 14:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

That’s my bad. Thanks for taking out that edit. Conmon1015 (talk) 02:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Is Urdak heaven?

Not sure if thats correct but I put it in. Gonna research whats what, but anyone who knows is welcome to correct me. -- Conmon1015 (talk) 20:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Please don't put things you don't know are true, or can't back with some sort of source. This is speculation and original research. -- ferret (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Confirmed that Urdak is a technological version of Heaven from an article on Gamespot. Since it's technically an alternative version of Heaven I'm going to keep it linked. -- Conmon1015 23:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

New York or Los Angeles?

I’m noticing a lot of edits that change the starting city from New York and Los Angeles. Until there’s a definitive, sourced answer I’m going to simply call it city. Conmon1015 (talk) 02:01, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

DLC plot deletion and separate article for DLC

Some editor seems set on creating a separate article for the DLC, which can be seen here, and reverting me when I try to put the DLC's plot here. As much as you want it to be an article of its own, it is destined to be just the plot, as there is nearly nothing to be said about the DLC besides that. I have nominated that article for deletion, and the plot will likely end up in this article, so it'd save us all time if you stopped reverting me when I try to integrate the plot here. --uKER (talk) 21:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I’m convinced. Having two separate pages doesn’t make sense in the long run. The other page isn’t even that well developed. Conmon1015 (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Glad we could get to an agreement. Cheers. --uKER (talk) 22:37, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2021

Change Music section from:

Mick Gordon returned as the composer. In January 2019, he put out a call for "metal screamers" to participate in a recording session to contribute to the soundtrack.[30] The "heavy metal choir" included James Rivera of Helstar, Tony Campos of Static-X, Sven de Caluwé of Aborted, James Dorton of Black Crown Initiate, and Nature Ganganbaigal of Tengger Cavalry.[31] Ganganbaigal died between the recording and the game's release.[32] Oktavist Eric Hollaway also added vocals.[33][34]

to

Mick Gordon returned as the composer. In January 2019, he put out a call for "metal screamers" to participate in a recording session to contribute to the soundtrack.[30] The "heavy metal choir" included James Rivera of Helstar, Tony Campos of Static-X, Sven de Caluwé of Aborted, Lindsay O. of Coma Cluster Void and Eyes of Perdition, James Dorton of Black Crown Initiate, and Nature Ganganbaigal of Tengger Cavalry.[31] Ganganbaigal died between the recording and the game's release.[32] Oktavist Eric Hollaway also added vocals.[33][34]

Citations for change:

citation: https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Lindsay_O%E2%80%99Connor/822031 citation: https://music.mxdwn.com/2020/03/08/news/creators-of-doom-eternal-recruit-members-of-static-x-ministry-aborted-and-tenngger-cavalry-to-form-a-metal-choir-for-the-soundtrack/ citation: https://www.amazon.com/Metal-Shops-Backstage-Pass-Interviews/dp/B08KMGY43F Lvovox (talk) 23:01, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

The list has over 20 vocalist preforming, I assume only the ones from notable bands were mentioned in main article, or they took the ones from cited source that used similar criteria. What reason do you think Lindsay should be included over the other people that were excluded? WikiVirusC^(talk) 01:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The list is already too long as is. The proposed additions do not have articles here. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:41, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2021

PS5/XBOX Series X & S release is June 29. The game will receive its next-gen update. Link for proof: https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/5Xsb8h4iDQobu3ggZwHtQq/upgrading-doom-eternal-to-next-gen ToDieFor91 (talk) 09:13, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:08, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2021

In the "Music" section, add Lindsay O'Connor to the list of contributing vocalists:

"Mick Gordon returned as the composer. In January 2019, he put out a call for "metal screamers" to participate in a recording session to contribute to the soundtrack.[30] The "heavy metal choir" included James Rivera of Helstar, Tony Campos of Static-X, Lindsay O'Connor of Coma Cluster Void, Sven de Caluwé of Aborted, James Dorton of Black Crown Initiate, and Nature Ganganbaigal of Tengger Cavalry.[31] Ganganbaigal died between the recording and the game's release.[32] Oktavist Eric Hollaway also added vocals.[33][34]"

Here are references for this addition:

https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Lindsay_O%E2%80%99Connor/822031 https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-metal-shops-backstage-pass-31012957/episode/metal-shops-backstage-pass-episode-61208303/ https://thegoldenspoon.com.vn/wp-content/uploads/vanilla-beans-ndjuk/viewtopic.php?a86609=doom-eternal-soundtrack Lvovox (talk) 22:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Those sources aren't particularly reliable, and if it's not covered in reliable secondary sources it's not WP:DUE. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)