Talk:Doom (novel series)

Rewrite

I've done a serious rewrite of this article, consisting of the following

• Cutting down on the summaries. If people want blow-by-blow accounts, they can go buy the books.
• Altering the character section so it came first, and tweaking it so it only counts the major characters (my personal criteria being appearing in two books) Characters with a minimum of material (such as Lt Weems, who despite Fly's continual but occasional references only gets about five or six pages of screentime) can't possibly have that much materail to write about them without original speculation.
• Factchecking. Unfortunately, there were a large number of errors within the article. Most have been culled with the cutting down of the material in the sections, and I hope I caught the rest.

-- saberwyn 21:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

What needs to be done

• Cover image of one or all four novels should be added to the article.
• Someone needs to factcheck any info taken from Hell on Earth, I don't have access to that book.

-- saberwyn 21:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I've checked over Hell on Earth (which I do have access to) and your article is correct but I have two minor issues. Firstly, do any of the characters call the spider mastermind an overmind? Secondly, after finding Ken the strike team find their way to a safehouse where "zombie brew" (used to transform humans into zombies somehow, it's never revealed) is being produced and sabotaged by two humans working undercover. While here Jill hacks into Ken's brain and the team talk to the undercover humans about the current state of the world. I notice this is missing. Is it not important or should it be added? I also have images of books 3 and 4, but not of 1 and 2 and the covers of mine are in pretty poor shape.

--Soldant 12:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• I don't know how important the plot points you raised are to the overall storyline. That's why I'm asking people to check book 2. As for covers, it would probably be better we get more or less intact ones. -- saberwyn 19:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Points revealed in that segment: The DEA are in charge of making a "zombie brew" which converts humans into zombies (somehow the book doesn't give specifics), however some resistance members have infiltrated this and are deliberately messing up the chemical to slowly drive zombies mad. Jill connects into Ken's brain allowing the team to talk to him. Ken reveals his purpose, that the US government had him made up like this, and were going to use him as an interface between alien net and human net. We also discover all alien tech is biotech, except for stuff they've stolen from other races. He also says that the aliens give commands by "[thinking] the [orders], but it's different to merely thinking." Additionally it's revealed that the 'invasion' fleet is actually just an exploration fleet. Then they decide to use him to crash the alien net. If you think that's important enough I'm happy to write it up properly and insert it.--Soldant 11:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Jill and Flynn

It's been awhile since I read all the books but if i'm not mistaken, Flynn has a crush on Jill somewhere in the 2nd and 3rd books. Should this be worth noting because it was a story arc that made the ending more bittersweet since both Flynn and Arlene lost the ones they loved? DrkBlueXG 13:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Jill is underage. If anything. Flynn has a crush on Arlene. Lots42 10:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Jill had a crush on Flynn. Arlene and Fly had a few sexual escapades, but they never found reasons to persue since they didn't love each other "that" way--Flynn M Taggart (talk) 13:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions

1) Shorten the plot reiteration.

2) But at the same time focus more on the important stuff. I'd rather have more about Jill, for example, then a list of the human collaborators. Jill is more important to the article.

I hope I made sense. Lots42 10:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Second Look

1) The article contradicts itself on the fate of Sears and Roebuck.

2) And didn't the computer simulations of Fly and Arlene -stay- in the computer? Also not clear in article. Very important if they did. Lots42 10:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi

I can answer your second point - in the book Fly and Arlene hypothesize that their souls were duplicated, so a replicated version of themselves stayed in the computer while the original souls (or vice versa, that part is unclear and not so important) returned to their bodies. The Resuscitators didn't realize this, thinking that their real bodies were now lifeless husks to be discarded on the planet's surface, but then in the book you read how they woke up and from that point a series of events takes place leading them back to Earth, where they rediscover a very large room filled with many humans in cryostasis, ready for the revival of the human race upon Arlene and Fly's return.

So yes, they did stay in the computer. But that was just a copy of themselves - and that copy helped evolve the newbies at a hyperfast pace (by kidnapping one from a "possessed" human (as the Resuscitators were DNA, basically) through that weird tube they put in their brains in a computer that worked 1000x faster than real life) such that they evolved into some non-corporeal form, such that the real Fly and Arlene arrived at Earth without having to deal with the Resuscitators that launched before they did. (Since the Resuscitators are a hive mind, whatever happens to one of their "souls" happens to all of them).

Anyways, I guess my explanation wasn't too well organized but its all there. Also, if anyone is reading this and they finished reading Endgame, I think the box Arlene found just before Chapter 22 should a sample of Albert's DNA which could be used to clone him and grow him with the same memories (possibly also in the box?) that he had when he died. It seems like the only way Albert could live to see her again anyways. But that's just a hypothesis I wanted to share with everyone, because it makes me feel like the book has a good, sensible ending that way.

Muonium 32 (talk) 01:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Erik Harris's Arlene Gun

the part about eric harris naming his shotgun Arlene has no citation and is flagged. this information is true. it is brought up twice in quotes from the "basement tapes" which can be found here

http://www.acolumbinesite.com/quotes2.html http://www.acolumbinesite.com/quotes1.html

i have no idea on how to edit this and the directions given are confusing. thanks to whoever fixes this for me.

sorry for capitalization errors. my shift key is broken off. the right key is hard to use and the left one feels odd for me to use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.2.66.204 (talk) 07:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Topeka?

I'm pretty sure that Fly and Arlene landed near Salt Lake City and the Mormon enclave. But then again, considering the chaos...SLC forces could have taken Topeka. But I'm pretty sure it was SLC. Lots42 (talk) 14:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It's BS. Just some IP having a laugh.--Drat (Talk) 14:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Other differences..

The size of the rockets is a significant difference from what you see in the game, compared to what Fly describes in the book. They're rather large on screen, but Fly specifically notes "they are the size of small batteries." And even later notes how much power they pack considering their diminutive size after he shoots one at close range and ruptures his eardrum in Book 1.

Also noting that there are strictly 7 weapons in the Doom game (chainsaw included), but the entire cast of book 1 encounters, carries, and shoots various other personal firearms (both real and fictional), none of which ever appeared in any Doom game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.72.151.185 (talk) 12:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Note for later

The section detailing the differences between the books and the games needs some good cleaning up. I'd do it but Wikipedia is acting up right now. Lots42 (talk) 03:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Scientology

The novels story seem to be very similar to the beliefs of the cult of Scientology. The Microscopic aliens (Newbies) that live in Humans = Body thetans, that can be exorcised by religious practice. The theater where the souls are entertained after death = Thetans after Xenu killed them were brainwashed by the worlds religions in a theater before being sent back to Earth to inhabit early humanity and bring about religion to confuse them. Also could be exorcised by "E-meters". The million years war. Xenu had a war that lasted a million years or so. A "SOUL SUCKING MACHINE" like the one Xenu used to gather the Thetan's souls on Earth to get them into the theater to brain wash them. Those similarities are just a few. With Scientology being sue happy, I'm surprised they haven't gone after the authors for plagiarism!

Basically the novels authors ripped off L. Ron Hubbards sci fi religion and put it in the DOOM universe, but instead of Scientologists they used Mormons. Tell me why no one has seen this similarity yet? Realistically, it's not even the DOOM universe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.157.189.224 (talk) 10:53, 29 August 2016 (UTC)