Talk:Cat meat

Merge proposal

• Oppose merge with Cat. The concept of eating companion animals is considered repugnant in some cultures. The articles on cats and the various breeds are clearly in reference to these animals as pets. catsrule 17:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.231.40.3 (talk)
• Oppose merge with Cat. There are pages for beef, pork, and so on, and this topic (especially the current controversy about eating cat meat) would not necessarily fit well in the cat article. Badagnani 04:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose per above; there is an aritcle with dog meat, why not cat meat -ScotchMB 15:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. Reading about cat meat in an article about cats can be very distressing. 202.156.6.54 15:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I'm taking it that this is a dead debate, but whether it's distressing or not is irrelevant (Wikipedia is not censored), but I don't think that all of this information is relevant enough to the topic as a whole be included in the main cat article.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. There are articles on dog and horse meat so why not cat meat? Also combining with the Cat topic is just asking for trouble; it will distress people who see their cats as pets not food, and they will react by trying to remove this material. TaffyDownUnder (talk) 12:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

• Propose I'd say it should be merged or at least be mentioned with clarity regardless of systemic bias or people's beliefs of what's should and what shouldn't.
  • Comment It already is, under the "See Also" section of cat. There is apparently nothing wrong with this. Androids101 (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
• Gigantic Oppose. per Badagnani --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is NOT CENSORED.

However, further improvements to this article would make it better. 88.105.115.225 (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. This page is too long and detailed for it to be merged with "cat", which is a long article to start with. I do not worry so much as to potentially offensive material, because wikipedia is NOT CENSORED, besides, cat meat is still a reality today. Even swear words get their own articles on Wikipedia! However, instead of merging (bad idea) one alternative is to start a section in "cat" titled "cat meat", then add a link which directs to this page. No merging. Androids101 (talk) 21:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Taste and texture

How does it taste and what's its texture like? I've heard said that cat meat has problems in that area and that is why it is not eaten even as widely as dog is, but is this simply a myth? 82.103.215.236 22:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Does that even matter? If you can't kill animals freely, this is an issue of animal rights. Same with 'dog meat'. 207.210.16.76 06:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair question. Badagnani 06:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It's good, can be stringy unless cut across the grain. Vaguely tastes like pork, but gamier, almost 'livery'. If some people had their way this would be the PETAcyclopedia.Sukiari (talk) 01:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not so much to do with "PETAcyclopedia" as it is to do with the fact the general way to kill this animal for meat is to boil it alive. Keep living the dream though, Sukiari. Razstar (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 05:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:( Yeah, that sort of thing came accross in the tone of the article. I'm gonna tag it for a rewrite to fix the article's tone. It practically screams "THIS IS BAD DO NOT EVER DO IT!!!!!!". yick. Use Neutral tense peoples.....--Marhawkman (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously? This is a Wikipedia article, not one for meat texture discussion. If you want to start a section of this page titled 'taste and texture' thats fine with me. Androids101 (talk) 21:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

This is a Wikipedia talk page, not a discussion forum. Please keep commentary related to the article. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 11:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

How it tastes has everything to do with an article on edible meat. Commentary on the taste of cat meat should be included in the article. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 05:46, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Androids101 (talk) 21:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/foodie/2011/08/what_dogs_and_cats_taste_like.php http://boingboing.net/2011/03/23/the-taste-of-cat-don.html here are two credible sources on the taste of cat meat. I personally love cats, but I also believe I can't force anyone to not eat cats. So anyone who wants to add the taste section, be my guest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.131.222.239 (talk) 17:16, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Folklore at least (good luck finding a cite) suggests that cat meat is very hard to tell from rabbit - hence the "roof rabbit" or "alley rabbit" references. English tradition suggests that cat meat was frequently substituted for the (unrationed) rabbit during WW2 and hence the injunction to always buy rabbit with the head on. 82.1.7.156 (talk) 11:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Nutrition Facts

The article on dog meat has nutrition facts, why not this one?SayUnclePal (talk) 20:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Where are the nutritional facts? This seems like a very deliberate case of animal discrimination. Rearete (talk) 20:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe its because no-one knows, or because of the absence of reliable sources. Nutritional facts should be included, however there needs to be a source first. Androids101 (talk) 21:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Source

Australians cook up wild cat stew 84.64.14.109 12:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Wild Cat is pot luck for hunters and collectors TaffyDownUnder (talk) 12:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Australian recipes for cat TaffyDownUnder (talk) 12:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

How to eat cats TaffyDownUnder (talk) 12:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

When the Italians invaded Athens Greece under Mussolini, there were soon no cats left as the Italians ate them all. Feb 18, 2010 – ROME - Italian state TV has suspended a cooking show host who shocked the nation by saying cat stew is a Tuscan delicacy he has enjoyed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.4.207.4 (talk) 14:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC) 

Neutrility

I don't see a lack of neutrality, if someone find sources for pro-eating cat it might balance it out, otherwise I'm taking it off. Its nice when people actually add this stuff in. And you people talking about what it tastes like, shut up, unless your a food reviewer and you reviewed cat or something and published that review so it became a source, your opinion doesn't matter and normal people don't want to talk about or think about their pet being eaten. And for you idiots who think its immoral or something, I think its immoral to treat cats better than cows just because I like them more, we don't treat any animals very nicely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 11:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Taste can be relevant in a discussion tab, perhaps even prompting the emergence of a credible source or constancy in opinion. As for normal people not wanting to read about their cat being eaten, I don't think they would be looking under the discussion tab of an article on cat meat. I agree with you though. It is immoral to treat cats better than cows, we really should eat them both. MjolnirX (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

No,we shouldn't ,period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.120.41 (talk) 03:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I can see you're not neutral at all. Don't proselytize neutrality when it's obvious you can't hold to it yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 (talk) 04:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

It's .fr not .cn ?

Are your sure about China? Here in Central Europe people usually think it is the FRENCH who devour cats (as well as snails). People here think of chinese as the "dog-eaters", considering all three said activities extremely disgusting. 82.131.210.162 (talk) 11:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

In fact the french equivalent of the english "quick lazy brown fox jumps over fence" test sentence is about best eating cat meat when hot, not cold. See here:

http://www.johannes-eva.net/images/2008_05_27_redoffice_review/2008%2005%20-%20RedOffice%20-%20Screenshot%208%20Format%20Templates.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.210.162 (talk) 08:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Cats are indeed eaten in China. I've seen them being skinned, and have seen a couple of cat meat restaurants. But here in Hainan, it is very rare. I also hear that cat meat is gross. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

If a RELIABLE source points to China, then yes. If a RELIABLE source does not mention China, then don't put anything about China, because it could be untrue. If a reliable source says China doesn't, than no. Sorry but I have no information on this :(.

Israel

In Israel, it is often jokingly said about meat of poor quality, especially in shawarma joints, that it is actually cat meat. As a soldier in the IDF I once heard it being said about the meat in my bases dining room. If I can find sources to back it up, would it be seen as relevant? Siúnrá (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, just because you heard jokes about it on base doesn't meant the people of the area actually consume it. If you can find any articles alluding to the consumption of cat meat in Israel, and they are substantial and reliable, then I suppose it would be relevant. However, I highly doubt that such a thing is true, as cat meat is specifically forbidden in both Judaism and Islam (as mentioned in the article) and therefore would be taboo for almost all of Israel's population. Jade Phoenix Pence (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2015 (UTC)Jade Phoenix Pence

Vietnam

I was offered cat to eat, in the outer suburbs of Saigon, circa 2000. I think the Vietnamese practise should be added if someone can source it. +|||||||||||||||||||||||||+ (talk) 13:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Under "in Asia". ;) CyanGardevoir 22:28, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

That is sick. People and cultures who eat cats and dogs are savage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.75.169 (talk) 01:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree. We need to carpet nuke China, Vietnam, and the Korean peninsula until all that's left is glowing radioactive glass. If I ever become president, that will be my first act; destroying those sickly barbaric savages. Jade Phoenix Pence (talk) 17:26, 8 October 2015 (UTC)Jade Phoenix Pence

Un-tagging article, remove NPOV (invalid, no discussion) and refimprove (seems invalid)

The article was tagged as NPOV which requires the case to be stated on the talk page. However, although the NPOV tag was dated August 2012, there are no edits on the talk page from June to October 2012, so the tag may have been an error. Also the article was tagged with refimprove, but most of the article seems to be well-referenced so the tag may have referred to an old version. It would be better to mark up using the "cn" template anything which needs better referencing, or tag up unreliable sources. Anyway I have removed both these tags. Please let me know if this is an error. JoshuSasori (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Thouroughly oppinionated from start to finish.

The very first sentence of the article States that it is frowned upon. The article for beef, which is considered holy by about a sixth of the worlds population, doesn't mention that it is frowned upon until the seventh section. The article for pork, which is frowned upon by a third of the worlds population, does not mention it's being frowned upon until section six. When public opinion is mentioned in the very first sentence of an article, that's a huge red flag for nuetrality. This article in drastic need of a rewrite. TBWarrior720 (talk) 22:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

After rereading the article, I have changed my mind about the nuetrality. However, I do have a problem with the focus of the article. There is little to nothing about the preparation and nutrition of the meat, or the names of the cuts that are eaten, that the articles on beef pork and chicken have. It is almost as if the article should be called "International oppinion of cat meat" TBWarrior720 (talk) 22:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely agree, these articles reflect human hypocrisy towards animals in the extreme. Niether do these meat articles mention vegetarians, who often frown upon eating any animal and even the use of animal products. Smk65536 (talk) 14:13, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

famine food

I wouldn't say that cats are "sometimes" eaten as famine food but always eaten when starvation occurs. This is due to the fact that they are domesticated and easily obtained. During the Siege of Leningrad, everything was eaten including other humans. Read Harrison Salisbury's "The 900 Days". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 (talk) 04:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Cat meat consumption in Vietnam

http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs-slideshow

http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs/11414

http://vietnamcoracle.com/cat-meat/

http://www.thedropoutdiaries.com/2012/11/the-truth-about-cats-dogs-in-vietnam/

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/international/5337677/Where-cat-sits-happily-on-the-menu

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2010/0722/Why-do-Vietnamese-keep-cats-on-a-leash-Hint-What-s-for-dinner

Rajmaan (talk) 05:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Cat meat consumption in South Korea

http://www.idausa.org/campaigns/dogs-cats/dogs-and-cats-of-south-korea/

http://koreandogs.org/

http://www.examiner. com/article/south-korea-dog-cat-meat-industry-to-face-protests

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Actions-Korea/KoreaDogMeatUpdate.htm

http://skdogcatcampaign.com/moran-market/

http://pepismartdog.com/dogmeat/?p=211

http://our-compass.org/2012/04/09/ban-south-korean-dog-and-cat-meat-trade/

Rajmaan (talk) 05:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Are you sure there's cat meat consumption in Korea? Because there's dog meat store but no cat meats are sold anywhere in Korea. And websites from above doesn't show any detailed information on cat meat trade in Korea, it just say dogs & cats are consumed. What a joke. Looks like author was trying very hard, but found no reputable Korean sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.73.34 (talk) 09:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Entertainment

How is eating cat a form of entertainment? Food certainly, but not entertainment.Royalcourtier (talk) 00:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Legality in Canada section

Do we have good sources that say it is legal or "isn't illegal"?

I just removed the section because these were all that were added to support it:

References

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: do not delete cited information from an article it is considered vandalism. Do you have a citation that reflects the other two citations are wrong? IQ125 (talk) 10:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IQ125. I must disagree: This is a content dispute. Nothing to do with vandalism. Those two sources are very poor in terms of supporting the claim. I do no need a citation that shows your citations are wrong. You need good citations to support that content. That is how it works. Please remove that unreliably sourced content and find better sources. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I've removed it again. Please observe WP:BRD. The onus is on your to provide good sources. If you cannot, the content should remain out. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:56, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

The citations are valid, accept the fact that is legal in Canada and the USA to eat cats, it is legal! IQ125 (talk) 11:01, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

The citations are not good. I will accept the fact when better citations say so. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Let's see what the community thinks: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Two sources needing feedback

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:13, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I also encourage others in the community to share their views here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:25, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the content again per this and WP:BRD. Please find the actual law to cite or leave it out. The onus is on you to provide good sources. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I've removed it again. Please, please IQ125, you must observe WP:BRD. I have taken this to WP:RSN and have another who finds the sources inadequate. I have asked you to discuss things here before restoring the content and you have not. You absolutely must not try to force that content into the article. Please discuss things here and get consensus before restoring it. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:53, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

This illustrates the need for good secondary sources. The sources provided says that cat slaughter is legal as long as it is performed before a federal meat inspector. (In fact in some cases provincial inspectors suffice.) On the other hand, it is illegal if a meat inspector does not agree to it. It is unlikely that an inspector, acting under the directions of a government minister, would approve it. If there is no law, and it is hard to prove a negative, it is because legislators did not anticipate the need for one. TFD (talk) 19:53, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, TFD. So, would you say these are reliable sources? Enough to support the content in question? Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

They do not meet News organizations, which is part of the rs policy. TFD (talk) 00:56, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you kindly, TFD. I agree. So, IQ125, you now have me, TFD, and Darkfrog24 all saying the sources are not good enough for the Canadian content to be there. Please find better sources if you wish to restore it. If you simply try to force that content in again, it would be against community consensus. Thank you for your understanding. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:13, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

For sourcing, there was some coverage in FRENCH a few years ago, due to a dispute concerning cat meat and dog meat and a Korean importer, IIRC, so if someone could go through the La Presse or Journal de Quebec/Montreal archives, they should find it. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Argentina hoax

The section on eating cat meat in Argentina was identified as a hoax. Please, do not return it back into the article. Ifnord (talk) 15:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Images

Need to add some.

Illegal and unethical

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Some uncensored pictures are going to encourage illegal activities in majority countries where those activities are not legal . Because of basic ethics , we should not put any uncensored images on Wikipedia . Such A Large Platform like Wikipedia must not promote ILLEGAL activities in many countries . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 10:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

How will these pictures encourage people to eat cat meat? Please supply evidence. WP:PROVEIT. What about all the photos on the human cannibalism article? Will showing photos of plane wrecks encourage people to crash planes? etc., etc. Adakiko (talk) 10:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Wikipedia is not censored. MarshallKe (talk) 13:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

There's a Fine Line between Crashing a Plane which is An Accident and engaging in illegal activities which is intentional . Moreover , Photos from Human Cannibalism should be removed as well as the results would be dangerous . I know that wikipedia is not censored . But they should also keep the information in their mind that they shouldn't encourage illegal activities . Wikipedia is meant to be A Safe Platform with Correct and Informative Contents rather than the information it is been provided by some wrong users . And all of them are being said from A Person who have been studying Psychology for many years . And if wikipedia takes the responsibility for the crimes other are going to commit by getting influenced by these disturbing pictures , which I guess they won't , Then I have nothing to say here . I want to conclude with the fact that all of you are going to face the consequences of your action . So just stop it regardless of your uncensored picture policy or not . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Saiful Trismegistus: What consequences would that be? Do you mean consequences on our conscience? It's important that you clarify this. MarshallKe (talk) 21:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Saiful Trismegistus: In the absence of any evidence of your assertion, it's just as likely that adding photos would in fact revolt people and deter them from eating cat meat. JezGrove (talk) 00:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

https://thesocietypages.org/holocaust-genocide/please-stop-using-graphic-images-in-your-class/

Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 18:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

We must stop promoting violence in order to reduce it . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 18:28, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Moreover , Wikipedia is not age-restricted which may affect children . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 18:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia is not censored, and you have presented no legitimate reason to remove this image - we're not going to remove it just because you personally do not like it. MrOllie (talk) 18:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Never knew that Wikipedia is such A Biased Platform with no Authentic Informations . It's not age-restricted and it promotes violence . Action must be taken against it . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 18:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

This is not about Like or Dislike . You must respect Laws of Most of the Countries . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 18:44, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

a) Eating cat meat is legal in 'most countries' and b) even if it isn't displaying images of cat meat is legal more or less everywhere. MrOllie (talk) 18:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

a) It isn't allowed in "Most Countries" . Even China started banning it . And who the fuck are you to make such Bullshit False assertions ? b) It's not about legality or illegality . It's about promoting violence ot not . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

a) China banned hurting Cats . Source : https://www.four-paws.org/our-stories/press-releases/china-bans-the-selling-of-dog-and-cat-meat b) It's about promoting violence or not . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:NPA. I think I'm done discussing here. Good luck getting other folks to form a consensus with those tactics. MrOllie (talk) 19:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

We must not promote ILLEGAL activities regardless of Wikipedia's Policy of Censorship . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

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"magnagati"?

the footnote doesn't help, and it might be dialectical, but in Italian it would be more likely mangia rather than magna. 2607:FEA8:FF01:78AF:8D1F:AF6E:B0DB:71E3 (talk) 15:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

The 1996 citation: ""It's not denigrating to eat cat, it keeps a child's stomach full"

Is this word for word, or is it a translation from another language? The word "denigrating" is being used wrongly, so if it's a translation then it should be improved. Equinox ◑ 18:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Why is Japan included?

The lede states "Cat meat is meat prepared from domestic cats for human consumption. Some countries serve cat meat as a regular food, whereas others have only consumed some cat meat in desperation during wartime, famine or poverty." Under the heading "History" it continues with "...There are accounts from antiquity of cats being consumed in the Roman province of Gallia Narbonensis (southern France). During the 18th century, domestic cats were used in the meat production in France, with published recipes surviving from 1740. Cats were eaten in Spain during the 17th century. Cat meat was widely used as famine food during wartime, especially during both World Wars."
I mention this for context because under the heading "Asia: Japan" it states "In Japan, cats were sometimes eaten until the end of the Edo period." For anyone unaware of when the Edo period ended, it was in 1868, more than a century-and-a-half ago. Compare that to the other countries listed under "Asia": every one of them is still eating cat meat today. (It is likely that some eating of cats may have survived in Taiwan until very recently, especially since it was not prohibited by law until just 7 years ago.) It seems to me that it maligns Japan, where cat meat hasn't been eaten for 150 years, to be included with countries where it is still eaten. I suggest that the sentence about the how the practice ended with the end of the Edo period be moved into the "History" section where it belongs. Bricology (talk) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Cat eating in Ohio

Read this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/09/13/watch-woman-arrested-for-eating-a-cat-amid-springfield-pet/ 198.251.52.192 (talk) 23:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Haiti

I KNOW there was a section on this country that cited two newspaper articles -- one from 1988 and another from 92, a book, a video on X and a thread on Reddit with photos of a cat stew preparation.

It has been removed. Why? 73.120.157.167 (talk) 12:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Every past version of every Wikipedia article is stored on the article's "history page". In this case, it's here. If you find it and where it was removed, ideally there would be an explanation. On a quick scan of edits from the past couple years, I don't see it. There's a lot of misinformation going around about Haitians eating cats lately, and a lot of videos purporting to show Haitians eating cats that have since been debunked (not that a video someone posted on the internet would be sufficient evidence for Wikipedia to make a claim about an entire culture/country). Basically we'd need some really good sources (scholarly articles, books, etc.) to make such a claim. Come to think of it, anything without the highest quality sourcing on this page should be removed -- I don't know when was the last time it got a thorough read-through. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)