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September 19, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
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Name change

Carly Colón

Resolved

Should we move this to Carlito (wrestler)? King iMatthew 20 08 10:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support 2.6m Ghits suggest so Darrenhusted (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not particulary interested in the matter since both Carly and Carlito are very common, although the latter was used for a year more than Carlito has been used. However, "Carlito" alone is not a good search item, that's like looking up "Carlos", now "Carlito + wrestler" is bringing back 1.4m hits. - Caribbean~H.Q. 11:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1.4m is still good enough reason. Darrenhusted (talk)

Oppose - his father is a famous wrestler under the Colón name and he has wrestled in his father's notable promotion as Carly Colón. I believe this should stay the same just as Glen Jacobs and Paul Wight stayed as is. --Endless Dan 14:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Dan and quantifier. –– Lid^(Talk) 03:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per above. Govvy (talk) 18:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not done King iMatthew 20 08 11:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial Remarks

doesn't carlito's wikipedia deserve to acknowledge the controversial remarks he said about paul? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Champ550 (talk • contribs) 13:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have the "controvertial remarks" made it to a reliable source, like a newspaper or the mainstream media? if not then no, we can't add rumors based on a fan's testimony here. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His new look?

He no longer has the afro, shouldn't the main picture change to the new look with his braids? 212.71.33.86 (talk) 14:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His new look?

He no longer has the afro, shouldn't the main picture change to the new look with his braids? 212.71.33.85 (talk) 14:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If a free picture can be found, then yes. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Carly Colón → Carlito (wrestler)

Resolved

Comment: Yes, I do know that it has been suggested already--Brothers of destruction (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Snowy Oppose - then why are you suggesting it again? This has been discussed like less than a month ago. Will bring in quantifier.--S _R X 21:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - per quantifier. Nikki311 21:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and close per the snowball clause. If you know it has been discussed then why waste time opening it back up? Darrenhusted (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Closed per WP:SNOW.--S _R X 21:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could this article be better at Carlito Colón?

I know a switch to Carlito (wrestler) failed, but would it be better at Carlito Colón? I'm only asking since I doubt people would think to search Carly Colón, plus he's probably better known now as Carlito Colón than as Carly Colón. --James Duggan 05:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? He has never been directly refered to as "Carlito Colón", even when the tag team's name is The Colóns they still call him "Carlito". - Caribbean~H.Q. 18:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He has been refered to as Carlito Colon. Even the WWE Tag Title History lists them as "Carlito and Primo Colon" the same way they would someone like "Matt and Jeff Hardy". The name plate on his belt also said Carlito Colon. 75.45.178.9 (talk) 09:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He has absolutley been refered to as Carlito Colón. But even then, he is much more commonly known as Carlito than Carly. So I support a move. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 19:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He has never been called Carlito Colón. He has been called Carlito, and they have said his last name is Colón, but they have never called him Carlito Colón. So I Oppose. TJ Spyke 22:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With so many divergent oppinions on names why not cut through the mess and put him at "Carlos Colón, Jr." since that's his birthname? Carly, Carlito and any other variation could then easily be redirects and thus solve all the problems in one instance instead of 3-4-5 different "move suggestions"?? MPJ-DK (talk) 10:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have heard them say Carlito Colon, but with so much disagreement over the issue why not go with MPJ-DK and name the article Carlos Colón, Jr.? Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 15:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Considering that Carly and Carlito are both diminutive forms of his real name, Carlos. Then the article can just mention the nicknames and go from there.76.226.222.203 (talk) 05:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames

Jim Ross has recently been calling him the "San Juan Southpaw" as a sort of nickname. Should we add it? - Thejka 15:20, 28 December 2008

Thats been his nickname for a long time now, so it should be. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 22:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which Tag Team Title has he got?

Are Carlito and Primi the WWE Tag team Champions or the World Tag team Champions? 41.245.171.28 (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Something wrong with the "The Colóns and Split" section of Carlto's article

Is Carlito truly released from WWE and to transfer to TNA? That edit was made by IP 220.245.132.118. Any comfirmation if this is true? If it's not I can undo the edit and any of you Wikipedia admins can do your stuff. Kyrios320 (talk) 12:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's true, and has been acknowledged on WWE's official website (which is cited)--Remixed Insanity (talk) 21:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Release

I've added that his subsequent refusal to attend rehab was a factor in his release, as WWE policy is not to release contracted performers on their first offence as well as it being noted in the cited article.Remixed Insanity (talk) 22:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Carlito Why You Not Release Anymore Arley Sr. Arley1998 (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Carly Colón → Carlito (wrestler) (again)

The last time this has been discussed was two years ago. He is has been known as Carlito around the world for 7 years, so I think a move to Carlito (wrestler) would be better. Simon^KSK 20:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Cúchullain ^t/c 19:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Carly Colón → Carlito (wrestler) – This is, by far, his best known name. It is the name that he has wrestled for more than six years as in WWE, and the name that he is best recognized by. He has even used the Carlito name outside of WWE. GeicoHen (talk) 02:03, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: similar to the Eddie Colón requested move, WikiProject Puerto Rico does not oppose to this move but does not necessarily support it either. We will abide to whatever WikiProject Professional Wrestling believes is best for Wikipedia. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 12:25, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - He has received varied levels of success under many names, having it under his real name, which he wrestlers under sounds just fine. We should not always just go by his WWE name. STATic message me! 16:08, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Carly has wrestled as Carlito, Carlito Colón, Carly Colón, Carlitos Colón adn Carlito Caribbean Cool. It's hard to fine the common name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The only place that he has wrestled under the "Carly Colon" name was in WWC, and most of its audience speaks Spanish. In the English world, he is known almost solely as Carlito. --GeicoHen (talk) 07:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Most success as simply "Carlito", which is also short for several of the others, and implies his notable connection to Carlos. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:24, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. There's opposition to at least one of the moves, although there may be support for the Carlito one. But not clear enough either way. These aren't really very tightly linked pages, so I suggest listing them separately for better clarity. — Amakuru (talk) 09:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– These articles have been misplaced for a long time. Carlos Colón's most common name is unquestionably "Carlitos Colón". He became a household name in Puerto Rico under that name and still uses it today. He used his real name when working NWA and WWF shows in the United States because it was easier to pronounce in English, but his notability was mostly garnered as being the face of professional wrestling in Puerto Rico. Carlito used to go by "Carly" in WWC before he signed with WWE, but ever since he gained widespread international attention as "Carlito", he's exclusively used that name everywhere he goes, including back home in Puerto Rico, where he's known was "Carlito Colón". Clearly, this should be the correct article title as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATDAB. Any confusion with his father's similar ring name can be settled with a hatnote as per WP:SIMILAR. Lastly, both Carlito and Primo used the "Colón" surname while they tagged together in WWE and Primo also used it during his initial singles run. Primo also continues to use it when he works WWC a few times a year. Per WP:NATDAB, "Primo Colón" is the best title for his article. Feedback 00:34, 22 April 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:14, 30 April 2016 (UTC) -- Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on Carlos, Sr. – I question the wisdom of this rationale. We appear to be putting the weight on how he's marketed in one particular promotion simply because that promotion is where he's best known. Once again we're subtly pushing the POV that the person doesn't matter, only the promotions they work for, which is especially evident in many of this most recent wave of RMs. This is the English-language Wikipedia. If I have my Spanish correct, "Carlitos" means "Little Carlos". That term could mean something in Puerto Rico, but I doubt it means anything anywhere else in the world. He also made a handful of tours for All Japan over many years, where he was billed as "Carlos". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 11:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If I was "pushing the POV that the person doesn't matter, only the promotions they work for", then I would be advocating for Carlos Colón, because that's how WWE, the biggest wrestling promotion in the world, has called him in his handful of appearances. Instead, we are focusing on the person. Carlos wrestled the bulk of his career as "Carlitos Colón" and gained most of his notability and notoriety under that name. The name is indeed in Spanish, but I don't see what point you're trying to make with that observation. Carlitos is to Little Carlos, what Johnny is to Little John. They're not the same, despite having similar nicknaming purposes. If Carlos' most common name was "Little Carlos", I would suggest moving him there, no different than Little John or Little Richard. Whether or not this is an English Wikipedia, we have to accept that most of his substantial coverage is by Spanish Latin-American sources, and even the most recent ones still refer to him as "Carlitos Colón". See here, here, here and here. If we give any undue weight to his small amount of appearances in other promotions, that's when we will be giving more importance to the promotion than the person. Feedback 18:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that "Carlitos Colón" is really that common outside Puerto Rico, but the "one particular promotion" where he is known as that is his own. That is probably the way that he prefers to be called, or otherwise he wouldn't voluntarily use it as his own ring name for several decades. I don't mind the other two, unlike the first time that "Carlito Colón" was proposed (back at WWE, when he was never called that name) Carly has been using that ring name in the independents. In Puerto Rico he is still widely known as Carly, but he has been using the old Carlito Caribbean Cool (I don't think that he uses his last name in WWC) gimmick for several years, probably one of the few places where he still uses it. About Primo, even when WWE shortened his ring name, they still made constant comments discussing how he is the son of "the great Carlos Colón", it is still part of his gimmick. - Caribbean~H.Q. 05:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose moving Carlos. - Best known to a worldwide audience as Carlos Colón. This is the name he used when he made the appearances that were seen by the most people (WWE Hall of Fame induction, 1993 Royal Rumble, etc.). Support moving Carly to Carlito (wrestler) (note: not Carlito Colón), as that is the name he appears to have used during his most notable appearances (i.e. his extended run in WWE). Neutral on Primo, as I don't watch wrestling and don't know when he stopped using the last name as his ring name. GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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issues

These are my issues with the last editions. @Old School WWC Fan: included a lot of content in the wrestler career during the last 20 days. However, I removed because the content has several probelms. 1, it's WP:UNSOURCED. 2, it's no notable or relevant for the article, WP:INDISCRIMINATE. 3, it's not written in WP:PROSE. It's just a list of every pro wrestling promotion he worked, unsourced, poorly written (not like other articles covering the independent career of the wrestler) and most of them, aren't notable, just local promotion which shows aren't even covered by pro wrestling media. That part doesn't follow several policies and I can't include the content in a better way. I can include thing like working on Italy's Wrestling Superstars or wrestling for the PPW Television title since aren't relevant. No other article includes a career like that with every promotion a wrestler appeared. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 00:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HHH Pedrigree: I think that a lot of his independent appearances can be cleared and we need the space if he gets rehired by WWE. The reaction that IWA-PR had to him signing with WWE, or them playing their fans during the Colón v. Colón angle are interesting, but should be moved to a much needed article on the WWC-IWA-PR rivalry. The issues brought in the GAR are logical and should be dealt with to get this piece back to where it was. Or finally push it to FA. But Prwrestling should be in WP:PW/RS, if only for Puerto Rico results. Also, it’s about time that we move this to Carlito Colón. El Alternativo (talk) 20:36, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. About PRWrestling, I used to read that website years ago. Maybe you can ask for his inclussion in the RS talk page. The true is we need more sources for puerto rican wrestling. About the name change, you can start a discussion, but I think the common name would be Carlito (wrestler) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

Carly Colón

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Result: Delisted b uidhe 17:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article was a GA in 2007. 13 years later, doesn't meet the criteria. Huge parts are unsourced, like WWC. A lot of excesive detail of in-universe storylines (like OVW and WWC). Some sources are unreliable, like Online World of Wrestling and others, like PRWrestling or notiluchas doesn' appear in the WP:PW/RS --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

support unlisting: unless someone is prepared to do some serious work on this one - I don't think it meets the GA criteria. An awful lot of uncited info for a BLP as well as the amount of unreliable sources as per nominator. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delist: Agreed, this BLP needs more sources. It has also grown from 2,067 words (in 2007) to 8,225 words, so most of the article is unchecked against GA standards. L150 17:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]