Talk:ABBA: You Can Dance

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Review: February 6, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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Sources

These are what I found. --Odie5533 (talk) 01:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

This article is missing a section for the reception. Please add one and find some actual good sources for it. 67.71.178.241 (talk) 20:37, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done 45.72.232.52 (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. ~ A412 ^talk! 00:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This review is transcluded from Talk:ABBA: You Can Dance/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: A412 (talk · contribs) 22:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do this one. ~ A412 ^talk! 22:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-prose stuff done. ~ A412 ^talk! 22:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose pass done. ~ A412 ^talk! 05:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. ~ A412 ^talk! 00:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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References

As of this revision

Spot checks

[2] - Checks out.
[6] - Can you run IABot? Link is down. Checks out via IA.
- Oh my bad, I completely forgot to do that. Done now.
Looks good.
[11] - Checks out.
[16] - I couldn't validate this. GWR website gives Michael Jackson: The Experience for the listed record, and no information on this game. Is there a specific GWR publication that's being cited, and if so, can we be more specific?
Sure, here is what I used: [1]
Can we cite as "Best Selling Game Affiliated To A Musical Artist". Guinness World Records, 2015. Gamer's Edition. Guinness World Records. 2014. p. 32.

RS

[3] - Is Club Nintendo an independent source that can be cited for reception?
It is an official Nintendo magazine, but from my inspections, it appears to be made through Nintendo but not as a... division? of Nintendo. On WP:VG/RS, it is not uncommon for an official magazine to be marked as a reliable source; for example, despite being published by Nintendo, Nintendo Power is not identified as having reliability issues.
Looks good.

Everything else looks fine.

OR

Looks fine, no uncited statements.

CV

Earwig is clean besides quotes from interview. The development quotes feel slightly unnecessary given that the entire paragraph is already from one source, but that's more of a content than a copying problem.

I paraphrased one and removed the other.
Looks good.

Images

Infobox image: Looks fine.
Reception image: NFCC looks fine. Could you update the caption to describe the image?
That good?
Looks good.

Coverage

Broad: I don't love that almost the entirety of development is sourced to one interview, but my quick search didn't find much else. Are there other potential sources out there?
I've tried to find other details, but unfortunately, it is the only source I have been able to find that covers its development in an way that would warrant mention (ie, I've seen some press releases with some very promotional commentary that wouldn't enhance the article in any way). If there is more, I couldn't find it in the web archive of magazines, so it either doesn't exist or it's likely way too difficult to reasonably track down.
Alright.
Focused: Is there secondary coverage of the list of songs?
Not that I have seen, no. The only coverage I have found is a press release in a non-reliable source, and the source used to verify the number of songs, which shows each song in their gameplay footage.
Alright.

Prose

Lead

published by the French gaming company Ubisoft -- This is only present in the lead, can it be reflected in development?
It includes a multiplayer "Karaoke Mode," allowing two players to sing using USB microphones while two other players can dance. -- For a reader not familiar with Just Dance (me), this being the first introduction to the gameplay is a bit jarring. Can we introduce the main gameplay / dance mechanic first?
For original content, they also tried to be original while also in keeping with ABBA -- repetitive
I have made the above changes, is the gameplay clearer in the lead now?

Gameplay

General: I have unanswered questions after reading this gameplay section.

How many players is the game for? Can only two players dance in the normal mode? Do I need to play Karaoke mode to play with four players?
How does one "follow the movements of members of the Swedish pop group ABBA"? The Just Dance series article describes the gameplay as "players mirror a dance performed by dancers on the screen, following moves that appear as pictorials on the bottom right corner of the screen", and I'm not entirely sure how this translates to having a Wii Remote without having seen the game.

ABBA: You Can Dance is a music and rhythm game based on Ubisoft's concept franchise -- what is a concept franchise? I don't get anything on Google or wiki for it.
This is in contrast to certain past Just Dance and related titles -- Are there specific past titles that sources contrast this to, or was this never present before in the series?
which only let you sing along for fun. -> players, don't use "you" per MOS.
The game also features a story mode called the "Mini Musical Mode" that features select songs from the main mode of play, and also shows the original ABBA music videos. -> called "Mini Musical Mode", wikilink music video.
I have made the changes listed. Do you feel that the article is clearer now?
Yep, let's keep going.

Development and release

The backgrounds were also designed with the intend -> intent
Some costumes were taken from ABBA music videos, while others were original, meant to get as close to the spirit while still being original -- probably change out one of the adjectives again
It was originally revealed without a release date of Q4 2011 reads really weirdly. I'd say It was originally revealed for a Q4 2011 release, without a specific release date. I'd also break the paragraph before this sentence.

Reception

WP:VG/REC recommends quoting Metacritic's blurb ("Mixed or average"), not it's numerical average.
Not necessary for GA, but it would help to group/organize the reception section somehow. Thematically or by opinion, but right now it's a bit "A said B. C said D."
Despite finding the content light, what was there was good. -- The two parts don't really agree in tense. I'd say Despite finding the content light, they found that what was there was good.
However, she felt that the game was somewhat limited and that it stops being engaging relatively quickly, though she appreciated that it was cheap. -- tense, stopped
Jeux Video writer Anagund felt that, despite enjoying ABBA, found it boring -- grammar, either he found it boring or it was boring, and I'd probably swap it for the game here for object ambiguity. Also wikilink Jeuxvideo.com
Despite the choreography being identified as accessible -- I think this is their opinion, so identifying the choreography
The combined sales of ABBA: You Can Dance and seven other Ubisoft dance games from November 20–26, 2011 totaled more than one million copies sold. -- Unclear. Is this the sales as of that week, in that week, or since that week? Also paragraph break before this sentence.
In total, ABBA: You Can Dance sold 720,000 copies. -- I think this needs an "as of".
I believe I've addressed everything, except for the non-GA point that I will work on. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 23:52, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@A412: I tried to make the reception section flow better. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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