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On 9 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from National Rally–The Republicans alliance crisis to 2024 The Republicans alliance crisis. The result of the discussion was moved.

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BorgQueen talk 12:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that following the 2024 European Parliament election, a political crisis broke out on the French right wing?

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cydd97g1g5po

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lookwide Camp
Comment: A major event in French politics

Created by Moondragon21 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Moondragon21 (talk) 01:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Moondragon21: Unfortunately, I am failing this nomination. The presence of both a merger dispute and a rough translation tag makes this page unsuitable for DYK. Thank you for your nomination regardless - Kimikel (talk) 03:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus to move. No clear consensus on where to move to, between 2024 The Republicans (France) crisis and 2024 The Republicans alliance crisis.

However, as the latter is more policy-compliant, and received no objections after being proposed, I am moving it there as WP:NOGOODOPTIONS. While I do not expect this to be controversial, which is why I have not instead relisted this discussion, editors who do dispute it should feel free to open a new discussion at any time, or should contact me and I will relist. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Rally–The Republicans alliance crisis → 2024 The Republicans (France) crisis – The crisis mostly concerns The Republicans, and has little to do with the National Rally party. They were just there and said "OK" to Ciotti's faction joining their movement. I understand the current name but it's both too long and gives too much spotlight to the RN. The French article is called "2024 crisis in The Republicans party", which is a more accurate description of the situation. I suggest 2024 The Republicans (France) crisis, in line with the name of the article The Republicans (France). Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: It's more natural to refer to it talking about both parties in the alliance, and it matters a lot which specific party The Republicans allied with. It's only a crisis because they allied with the National Rally. It can be referred to as the Name Year Crisis, but it's more informative not to. If sources describe it that way then, okay, but otherwise it should not be moved. The title is long but appropriately so. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This was mostly an internal affair. Even if the casus belli was the announcement of an alliance with RN, but RN's direct involvement in the crisis itself was limited (if any), and the article revolves around LR's internal crisis. This, coupled with WP:CONCISE (The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects, which the proposal meets better) and WP:PRECISE (The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects, which the proposal also meets since the current title looks like there was a crisis in RN too), advices for moving the article to the proposed title. Impru20^talk 23:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Yeah, I forgot to mention that the article is almost all about the internal crisis within the Republicans party. This proposed title would reflect what the article is actually about. The alliance was just a casus belli, as Impru20 said. Paul Vaurie (talk) 11:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supportive for the reasons Impru20 said. Would prefer it to be even briefer, but understand that removing France from the title is not really doable Bejakyo (talk) 18:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

or maybe it is? French wikipedia has the article name as fr:Crise de 2024 au parti Les Républicains or roughly 2024 Crisis of The Republicans Party. no references to france. Either way, proposed name is better than the current Bejakyo (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

French Wikipedia can omit France because France mainly speaks French. The US speaks English, so an omission may cause confusion with the US' GOP. The current title's "National Rally-" prevents confusion, so the new title should address this. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 11:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-support - having a bracket mid-title is clunky, and given that there haven't been any crises related to any other "The Republicans", I feel like the France might be better dropped. 2024 The Republicans alliance crisis might work better? Couruu (talk) 09:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although WP:TITLE says parentheses after the name and intitle:/.+ \(.+\) .+/ returns mostly redirects and chemicals, there are some other articles. I do think this kind of title is rare if not weird.

Support alt 2024 The Republicans alliance crisis 174.92.25.207 (talk) 11:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Checco. Just wanted to let you know that moving 2024 The Republicans alliance crisis unilaterally, while providing no explanation, is not OK. The article went through a requested move to get to the current title. If you want to suggest a new title for the article, please go through the WP:RM process, as was done previously. Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC) [originally posted on User:Checco's talk page][reply]

You are right! I was unaware of the above discussion and I am sorry about that. Obviously, "2024 The Republicans alliance crisis" is not good English. Additionally, the article is basically about the internal crisis within the party. The requested move had "2024 The Republicans (France) crisis" as proposed new name. I think it is quite easier to find consensus on that name over the awkward "2024 The Republicans alliance crisis". You too proposed that in the first place. Otherwise, I will open a new RM. --Checco (talk) 19:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 October 2024

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The result of the move request was: Not moved - No consensus to move. FOARP (talk) 11:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 The Republicans alliance crisis → 2024 The Republicans (France) crisis – As it was already argued above, the article is and should be focused on the internal crisis within The Republicans (France) party. Its alignment in the 2024 French legislative election was only the final issue of several debates that have divided the party over the years. I agree with User:Paul Vaurie's initial proposal, while I am less convinced by the outcome of the previous discussion, the current name that was proposed by User:Couruu. Surely, "2024 The Republicans (France) crisis" would also be consistent with 2016 The Republicans (France) presidential primary, 2017 The Republicans (France) leadership election, 2019 The Republicans (France) leadership election and 2022 The Republicans (France) leadership election (2021 The Republicans congress should be moved), as well as several other articles including 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election. -- Checco (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 06:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - unsurprisingly, as the nom for current title. As stated in the other RM, the usage of mid-title brackets is clunky and while the alliance proposal was indeed the final straw, I don't see the issue in using this to describe the overall crisis in lieu of a better option. Purely spitballing, but are other options like using the endonym (Les Republicains) more amiable? For the record, I'm not a fan of how the other titles are named either, but for simplicity's sake will concede the point on consistency. Couruu (talk) 09:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Including "The Republicans (France)" would be consistent with the mother article and several other articles. However, I would accept any solution not including "alliance" as the subject of the present article is not just that and The Republicans' internal crisis was not caused only by coalition building. --Checco (talk) 06:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per move suggestion - this article is mostly about the internal issues inside the Republicans party.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Autospark (talk • contribs) 13:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Conservatism, WikiProject Politics, and WikiProject France have been notified of this discussion. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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