Talk:1000 Days of Syria

1000 Days of Syria was nominated as a Video games good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 2, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

A fact from 1000 Days of Syria appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 December 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a journalist created a game about the Syrian civil war after observing that Miley Cyrus got more clicks than the war?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 00:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a journalist created a browser game about the Syrian civil war after collaborating with the Suqour al-Sham Brigades? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/22/1000-days-of-syria-war-journalism-online-game
- ALT1: ... that a journalist created a game about the Syrian civil war while criticizing the popularity of Miley Cyrus? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/22/1000-days-of-syria-war-journalism-online-game
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Transition (film)

5x expanded by NegativeMP1 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/1000 Days of Syria; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Interesting DYK. The hook mentioned is cited using reliable sources along with the overall article. No copyright issues also. GTG. Toadboy123 (talk) 10:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Without objection I am going to fix the hook language for accuracy and readability.

ALT1a: ... that a journalist created a game about the Syrian civil war after observing that Miley Cyrus got more clicks than the war?

@Toadboy123 and NegativeMP1: Let me know if the tweak works. Bruxton (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is good as the hook then. Toadboy123 (talk) 22:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rebels: Freedom Fighters or Terrorists?

"Swenson's group collaborated with the rebels, with the rebels providing the group transportation in exchange for food and fuel". Swenson described what he experienced as an “all-purveying, all-consuming, merciless, heart-eating, machine of war."

From this, it seems clear that this "reporter" is more interest in putting out the rebel's point of view than attempting to give a balanced account of events. As such, should Wikipedia allow Swenson a platform to push a blatant anti-government/pro-rebel agenda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.189 (talk) 09:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that calling the Suqour al-Sham Brigades a rebel group is the neutral term according to MOS:TERRORIST. BaduFerreira (talk) 12:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to a Wikipedia article about the group, "The UN Commission of Inquiry for Syria reported that the group unlawfully detained Hekmat Khalil al-De’ar for alleged dealings with the Syrian Democratic Forces. His dead body returned to his family the next day. The autopsy showed that he had been subjected to torture"

So perhaps the question should be: Rebels, Terrorists or Common Criminals? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.205 (talk) 21:53, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:1000 Days of Syria/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Vrxces (talk · contribs) 11:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, thanks for submitting this article. I think the article is well written but needs quite a lot of work to reach a GAN status. I will leave some broad feedback below. Happy to chat about any of it! Whilst there is no threshold for short articles to be GAs, the sourcing is very limited to adequately evidence broad coverage about the game.

If you think this process may take time, I am happy to close the GAN as a fail. As you probably know, that you are welcome to start a new GAN for the article at any time whenever you like, even after a previous unsuccessful nomination. So I hope this isn't discouraging and more an opportunity for feedback on how to make the article better to a GAN standard.

Areas to think about improvement are:

The article does not have sufficient sources to substantiate broad coverage, with only five sources in the article relevant to the game. The Kill Screen article is only a descriptive overview of the game and the Guardian and Cool Hunting articles are an interview. This means there's not a whole lot of secondary commentary, which makes the reception section very slight.

I don't think the article is non-notable, but there are only currently two sources that have significant commentary on the game when the norm is typically three. I really recommend seeing if there are other news sources about the game, particularly those that provide evaluative and not only descriptive coverage, as it is slight.

Generally, assessing review sources for evaluative content should try to identify positive aspects, not what the game isn't: stronger hooks in the Atlantic article include the use of "rigorously-researched narrative elements", discussion on the use of "empathetic engagement" in war games, and the use of moral ambiguity and player choices to approach its themes.

There are some minor sourcing issues with how citations are used.

The Middle East Security Report does not evidence the text about Swenson's experiences. I'm not sure what role it plays in the article, unless you want to provide background information on the conflict.

The point in the Daily Dot article about Israel and Palestine is misrepresented: Brown is saying he is based in Israel-Palestine as a point of personal relation, not that the game has anything to do with the region.

There is no evidence or source for a release date. This isn't a big deal but does indicate there are some gaps in basic information about the game.

As an interactive fiction article, there really should be more information on the plot of the game and the content of the three intertwined character stories to provide proper context in the article.

Plot is not required to be sourced. The best approach is probably to have a run through of the game and consider writing a short summary if no such summary exists in other sources.

@Vrxces: Hi, I'm perfectly okay with the article being marked as a fail to have more time in the oven or left for now based on your judgment. However, I do want to make some of these things clear on how I could expand the article based on what you said:

An extensive plot summary for something like this is something I fear when everything in the game is determined by your actions. As such, writing my own plot summary I feel would be undue. This isn't like, say, Minecraft: Story Mode where the choices the player makes are somewhat negligible or don't change the plot.
I did not add the Middle East Security Report citation, if I take this article further I'm removing it. I'm not sure why it's there either.
While I do agree with the three typically being the standard and/or a good recommendation, I do think that the article got enough sources even if interviews to possibly hold its own article rather than be considered non-notable. Though if that still doesn't change much, yeah there's no other coverage besides what's in the article.
I agree with everything else.

λ NegativeMP1 17:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.