Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Transport in Scotland/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Move of ScotRail to Scotrail (1997 to 2004)

User:RGloucester has moved ScotRail to ScotRail (1997-2004) and First ScotRail to ScotRail (2004-present) without discussion. In the first case, the proposed change had been discussion with no agreement to change. This should really have been discussed at here before the change. The first article covered the whole period from the creation of the ScotRail by BR, and it is now split. This first article now refers to history prior to privatisation, although is titled as though it covers the period after franchising only. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 22:13, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

From Talk:ScotRail (1997-2004)

I moved to this page because this branding is defunct, and the current ScotRail service should take precedent. That service is no longer branded as "First ScotRail" but as just plain ScotRail. RGloucester (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Disagree this article covers the whole history of the ScotRail name, from initial branding by British Rail. The article was perfected correct aswas - see discussion above. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 22:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

This article does not talk about British Rail. It talks about the franchise operated by National Express (see infobox). ScotRail under British Rail is covered by Regional Railways. 188.74.96.196 (talk) 22:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

• Most of section 1 (Fleet) refers to BR

When ScotRail was created by BR, services were operated by a variety of diesel locomotives and coaching stock together with diesel and electric multiple units. Prior to the introduction of Class 158 DMUs by British Rail and later Class 170 DMUs by National Express, services were operated by slam-door stock such as the Class 101 DMUs.

• Section 2.1 is titled BR.

Nearly half the article covers the BR days. This has been referred to WP:TIS and a rail-related admin for consideration --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 22:22, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Even if that is so, it has always clearly stated in the infobox and the intro that it operated from 1997-2004. I did not add that. Hence, the title is correct. The fleet bits, as they are, should be modified. I assumed that those pieces in fleet were used because they represent what became the National Express franchise fleet... 188.74.96.196 (talk) 22:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The two articles are now a total mess, NX referred to in the First article and vice versa. We should wait until RGloucester and the admin I have consulted come back on this one. In the meantime this discussion should be moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Transport in Scotland#Move of ScotRail to Scotrail (1997 to 2004) for a consensus. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 22:35, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Restored status quo ante regarding names; move protected for 1 week but I'll lift that should TIS so desire. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:46, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

User:RGloucester has deleted the comment on his talk page, without response. Based on this I intend to revert the articles back to the content prior to his moves, and tidy up the content to make it read logically. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 21:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Found part of the issue this evening, when I discovered that there was a redirect to ScotRail from ScotRail (National Express). There is now a dedicated article to the period of the NX franchise at the article. My belief is that ScotRail should cover the whole period of the brand, pointing out to the various franchisees: past (NX), present (First) and future (???). This is what the ScotRail article did, although is was a bit mixed up between NX and First franchises. This will allow future franchisees to have their own article, and the brand as now controlled by the Scottish Government, under the guise of Transport Scotland will show a continuous story through from Chris Green's creation in the 1980s. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 16:55, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

RFC on coordinates in highway articles

There is currently a discussion taking place at WT:HWY regarding the potential use of coordinates in highway articles. Your input is welcomed. --Rschen7754 02:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

New ScotRail livery

Hi, please could somebody answer the q at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Scotland's Railways saltire? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Dunfermline railway station

Is Dunfermline railway station an article or a disambiguation page? It seems to be stuck somewhere in between. I think that it should either be written up as an article (with refs as appropriate), or brought in line with MOS:DAB. I don't mind which. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Stranraer railway station

An anon IP has been added Stranraer to the {{Scottish railway stations}}. Following previous discussion at Template talk:Scottish railway stations, I removed it and left edit comment, I have now left a link to "please discuss" on the talk page. Once again it has been reverted without explanation. I have this time reverted using Twinkle, identifying it as vandalism and left a message on the anon IP web page. Can someone please review this? --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 21:39, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Usage figures are around the 50,000 mark, compared to the others which are mostly above 1 million (Perth and Glasgow Prestwick Airport are each less than a million, but still manage over 750,000). Other stations of more than 1 million passengers are excluded (Falkirk High, Motherwell and Paisley Gilmour Street are just three I've pulled off the top of my head). Stranraer is not major. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:48, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

It's the terminus for a fairly important route, owing to the ongoing Belfast ferry connection. I'd include it. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:43, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Not any more, the ferry now goes from Cairnryan. Stranraer is the nearest station to the ferry terminal, but it would probably be quicker just to get a bus from Ayr to Cairnryan. --Vclaw (talk) 20:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Route boxes on station articles: contrast problem

Forgot to inform this Project, but it does affect the vast majority of Scottish railway station articles. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Route boxes on station articles: contrast problem. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Please help get transport-related structures ready for the start of the Wiki Loves Monuments competition on 1st September

In September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (category A), as recorded by Historic Scotland. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?

In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in Scotland, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?

Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by Historic Scotland. These use pre formatted templates (eg NS header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.

The data still needs the attention of local editors:

• The "title" may need wikilinking to a suitable article name (whether we currently have that article or not). If there are several buildings in one street all of the wikilinks point at an article about the street; however each entry has a separate line in the list.
• The "location" column looks and sorts better if just the parish or town is included (& wikilinked).
• The "date completed" column sometimes has eg "C19" for 19th century, and "C1850" for c. 1850 when the date is uncertain - these need to be corrected manually.
• The "grid ref & lat & long" (which is occasionally missing) may be given to 8 characters — only 6 (grid ref) or 5 (lat & long) are really needed.
• Clicking on the "list entry number" should take you to the data sheet for that entry on the Historic Scotland database which can be checked if needed for details.
• The image column should have a picture added if we already have a suitable image on Commons. (N.B. if you are going to be taking photos yourself for inclusion in the competition don't upload them until September)
• References may be added according to normal WP practice.

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Edinburgh Trams — GA review

I've recently refurbished Edinburgh Trams, and nominated it for a GA review. If anyone would like to review it, please do. RGloucester — 📬 18:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Erskine Bridge

Hello I'm a wiki beginner. I've been editing the erskine bridge. The last thing i need to improve the article is a map of the area if anybody can help i would be much obliged. Thanks Discolover18 (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Transport in Scotland at Wikimania 2014

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My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

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Commons uploads of interest from National Library of Scotland

Hi all,

Just wanted to flag up the content that has recently been uploaded to commons as part of the National Library of Scotland's collaboration with Wikimedia UK. Three batches totalling about 250 images have been released. The photos include images of the construction of the Forth Bridge, the Tay Bridge disaster, and early 19th century sketches of locations around Scotland from John Claude Nattes and James Fittler's Scotia Depicta.

Hopefully some of this content will be of interest or of use to this project!

Cheers, ACrockford (talk) 12:52, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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Quintinshill centenary less than seven months away

Quintinshill rail disaster is B-Class. Can we get it to FA-class in time to be WP:TFA on 22 May 2015, that being the 100th anniversary of the accident? Discuss at Talk:Quintinshill rail disaster#Centenary TfA? please. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:57, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Merge Edinburgh Crossrail

For what its worth, I have proposed a merger of Edinburgh Crossrail with the Borders Railway. Please see Talk:Borders Railway#Merge?. Simply south ...... time, deparment skies for just 9 years 17:35, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Stale Draft pages

There is a notice on Talk:West_Coast_Main_Line#Stale_Drafts about some stale drafts that could be useful to the article in question. Please feel free to help. Hasteur (talk) 16:43, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Haymarket station

I had put a note on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edinburgh page about Haymarket railway station recently been moved to Haymarket (Edinburgh) station on the basis that a tram stop is now located outside the station. A comment had been put on the article talk page a few days before the move was made. There are other Haymarket Stations elsewhere in the world. I wondered if anyone else had thoughts on the naming of this article? Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:35, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Glasgow rail template duplication

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Edinburgh railway station

I have initiated a discusssion about this "disambiguation" page, which I think should become a redirect, here. Jellyman (talk) 06:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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Re-moved to Houston (Scotland) railway station per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations). Useddenim (talk) 18:03, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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Re-moved to Georgetown (Scotland) railway station per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations). Useddenim (talk) 18:04, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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