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Requested move at Talk:Palestinian territories#Requested move 5 August 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Palestinian territories#Requested move 5 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Frost 16:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
RfC at Talk:Herrenvolk democracy
There is currently a discussion concerning whether or not it is appropriate to display the flag of Israel on this article. Experienced editors are invited to join the discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Palestinian suicide terrorism#Requested move 21 August 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Palestinian suicide terrorism#Requested move 21 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPathtalk 08:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Battle of the Yarmuk
Battle of the Yarmuk has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Please change the wording on this template
Instead of "Archaeological sites destroyed during the Gaza genocide" it should say something like "during the Israeli invasion of Gaza", "during the Israel-Hamas war", or something similar. 136.152.209.125 (talk) 08:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Beit or Bayt
- Category:Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War => 12 villages called "Bayt xxxx", 0 called "Beit xxxx"
- Category:Villages in the West Bank => 0 villages called "Bayt xxxx", 22 called "Beit xxxx"
@Al Ameer son, Huldra, and Zero0000: is anyone aware of a reason for this discrepancy? If not, shouldn't we make it consistent?
Credit and thanks to @Arminden: for raising the question at Talk:Eleutheropolis.
Onceinawhile (talk) 13:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that the historical explanation is that the 1948 depopulated village names were adopted from Khalidi, All that Remains and he uses "Bayt". He doesn't list the WB villages, so their names were adopted from somewhere else. Maybe from some official list such as this one that uses "Beit". Should we unify the spelling? Zerotalk 13:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I think we should definitely unify.
- Bayt is the modern formally correct transliteration in Modern Standard Arabic, but that is not necessarily relevant and there is no formally correct transliteration in Palestinian Arabic. Beirut is a good example; in MSA it is formally Bayrut.
- As can be seen from ngrams, Bayt is a reasonably modern phenomenon (one cannot easily compare the two lines of course, because Beit is also Hebrew and the name of people like Alfred Beit). This makes our current situation even more odd – if were to remain “dis-unified”, surely the depopulated villages would logically hold the historical transliteration (Beit, as per the Survey of Palestine and PEF Survey of Palestine) and the living villages would hold more modern orthodox MSA version (Bayt). Yet we have it the other way round.
- This chart on Beit-Bayt Jala (being possibly the most well known location with this prefix) is the most compelling for me.
- Onceinawhile (talk) 07:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the Bayt X articles were created or developed by Tiamut and Huldra. I asked Huldra for her thoughts on this. Whatever we do, we should have a redir for the alternative. Incidentally, there isn't a single appearance of a Bayt spelling in the Palestine Gazette. Zerotalk 09:45, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's yet another aspect of wagging dogs by their tail. Languages as well as transliterations develop organically, and then comes some ideologically-motivated person or body, and we end up with Türkiye, Campuchea, Myanmar. Or Bayt. Which anyone sensible is allowed to ignore. That Hebrew has beit is exactly the (ideological) point (btw, beth was a long used English variant, and purists are now trying to impose bet; good luck to them). Bad luck, Semitic languages share more than I/P crusaders care to acknowledge. Academic, as in philological, arguments are usually only covers. Arminden (talk) 10:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've never heard of an ideological aspect of the Bayt/Beit spelling choice. Zerotalk 13:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's yet another aspect of wagging dogs by their tail. Languages as well as transliterations develop organically, and then comes some ideologically-motivated person or body, and we end up with Türkiye, Campuchea, Myanmar. Or Bayt. Which anyone sensible is allowed to ignore. That Hebrew has beit is exactly the (ideological) point (btw, beth was a long used English variant, and purists are now trying to impose bet; good luck to them). Bad luck, Semitic languages share more than I/P crusaders care to acknowledge. Academic, as in philological, arguments are usually only covers. Arminden (talk) 10:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the Bayt X articles were created or developed by Tiamut and Huldra. I asked Huldra for her thoughts on this. Whatever we do, we should have a redir for the alternative. Incidentally, there isn't a single appearance of a Bayt spelling in the Palestine Gazette. Zerotalk 09:45, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
My understanding is that "Beit" is the "anglicised" version of Bayt, just like "Calcutta" was the "anglicised" version of Kolkata. That the British only used "Beit", while Walid Khalidi use "Bayt", seem to support that, so I support moving them all to "Bayt",Huldra (talk) 21:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
PS:Look at the N-gram of Calcutta/Kolcata [1], cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
As mentioned by Onceinawhile, there are two different ways to pronounce the same word. Bayyt is the pronunciation in MSA. Beit is the more calm pronunciation in Palestinian accent. To give the example of Bethlehem, here is Shireen Abu Akleh pronouncing Bethlehem in MSA for an Al Jazeera report: 00:03 Bayyt(a) Lahm, while here is it pronounced in Palestinian accent for a local report: 00:39 Beit Lahm. Now, Bayt (emphasis on one 'y') is pronounced the same as Beit in English, so it doesn't really matter, and I see no need to maintain consistency, we can just reflect majority use of each case in RS. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tel Aviv–Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack#Requested move 29 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 17:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Gaza genocide/Archive 5#Requested move 7 September 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gaza genocide/Archive 5#Requested move 7 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPathtalk 04:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Women in Green's October 2024 edit-a-thon
Hello WikiProject Palestine:
WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2024!
Running from October 1 to 31, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.
We hope to see you there!
Grnrchst (talk) 12:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)There's a discussion at Talk:1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#RfC_–_In_the_article_section_about_"Haifa",_should_the_following_paragraph_be_added? about whether specific prose attributed to Benny Morris should be added to 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight. Editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPathtalk 07:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)