Wikipedia talk:Teahouse

Follow-up on Bot inoperable

@Usernamekiran and Frostly: happy Friday! No news from Tigraan, I presume? Is the revival of Muninnbot still ongoing? Thanks for bearing with yet another check in. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: Hi. Yes, I have worked a little on the bot. I think I would get it running in a week or two. I apologise for the delay. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! For reference: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/KiranBOT 13 (permalink) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Trial run approved. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Help the Wikimedia Foundation better understand how on-wiki collaborations work

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What's up with the search bar?

Has there always been so many questions about the search bar? This seems to also be a very recurring question on the help desk. I know it's fixable by unzooming, but is this intentionnal or a bug? The best documentation we have is this... : Wikipedia:Help desk#Search tool and is what I see often linked. Thanks! win8x (talking | spying) 22:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I remember an influx of interface-related questions when the WMF decided to change the default skin to Vector 2022. Was there an update a while back that changed some interface elements? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

That's what I was wondering. It seems like a pretty bad accessibility issue if users with high zoom can't see the search bar, and afaik I haven't seen these questions before the one I linked above, from 6 September. win8x (talking | spying) 01:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I played around with the zoom levels on Chrome. As far as I can tell, the search bar disappears when pages are viewed at 150% zoom, and at that point the user has to click on the that appears next to at the top of the page. Doing so causes the search bar to appear and hide the and the Wikipedia logo in the top-left corner. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, is that what this person is asking about? (Feel free to answer on my talk) Seems like maybe an attempt to integrate the mobile and desktop versions and to use a more mobile-esque version when zoomed in enough that the screen appears to have low-resolution. Whatever change it was, the developers will probably want to know; perhaps there's some way they might want to change the feature or to add a notice along the lines of "search bar is now here"? @OVasileva (WMF), would you know anything about this or who to ping? Sdkb ^talk 17:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sdkb It looks like this is exactly what it is. That editor is searching the search icon since their zoom level is too high. I've answered on your talk page. Thanks for pinging someone from the WMF; I'd have no clue. win8x (talking | spying) 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

There's also a similar question being asked at mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements, where I requested a link to a changelog for the skin. Hopefully someone from the WMF knows something about this. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate topics in archive

I have reported the problem on User talk:Σ.

The duplicate content is in User:Vchimpanzee/sandbox.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 23:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Nice! I appreciate that. Steven1991 (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Community Wishlist: Invitation to Explore the Article Creation Guidance Focus Area

Hello Teahouse,

The Community Wishlist has gathered a collection of wishes and suggestions over time, highlighting the need for better support and guidance for newcomers as they create articles, while also aiming to reduce frustration and reverts. These ideas have been grouped under the Article Creation Guidance Focus Area.

We invite both hosts and those interested in improving newcomer workflows to explore these wishes, join the discussion on the focus area’s collective talk page, and cast your vote if this topic resonates with you.

On behalf of the Community Tech team, STei (WMF) (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove Deletion Box Sabi Christy Page

Sabi Christy is an Costume Designer of Shine Tom Chacko and worked in so many malayalam films. Would you please approve this page for him. it will help more notable for him. Please help me to develop this page.

Thanks, ArifVlog782 (talk) 06:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@ArifVlog782: This is the wrong place to ask for help, and it looks like the page has already been deleted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Reverted vandalism

I have just reverted some childish vandalism to the Teahouse, which had removed the usual page-top navigation templates, etc., and left a silly message. This is not usually the sort of area I operate in, so others may wish to check what I've done and to take any warning or other steps appropriate regarding the vandal. Thanks. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

This page is for discussion about the operation of the Teahouse, and is not the Teahouse itself. (That's at WP:TEAHOUSE). Vandalism should be reported to WP:AIV. 331dot (talk) 20:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

The IP's comment was about the operation of the Teahouse though. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, 94/87! Not going to bother with a warning at this point since the IP hasn't edited since, looks otherwise fine to me. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2024

The Scale of the Universe

I am on the edge of getting banned rn. I added the description in the info box, i've been doing this for 3 days straight. But the one about the water molecule had a joke about how they look like mickey mouse heads, so they called it vandalism, I reported and undid the mistake, but then it said that I might loss privileges, and if I'm getting banned for telling the truth, then so be it, i'm going to undo the bot bot again, and if this is the last message I send, I want this account's dying with to be to remove ClueBot NG. goodbye Saarabout (talk) 16:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

WHY IS THE TEAHOUSE PROTECTED

Because there was disruptive editing from an IP editor. You should be discussing your reverted edits at Talk:The Scale of the Universe rather than edit warring. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between Teahouse project page and Teahouse Talk Page

What is the difference between Teahouse project page and Teahouse Talk Page UnsungHistory (talk) 20:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@UnsungHistory This is answered at the top of the page, the talk page is to discuss how the Teahouse is ran, while the Teahouse itself is for asking questions about Wikipedia. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Pending changes

This page, provided especially to welcome new users, should not have pending changes protection. User:Ivanvector, please undo this ASAP (same for WP:Help desk). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

This and the help desk has been the target of an abusive user(on the assumption that we won't protect those pages). 331dot (talk) 19:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Andy, I don't think you were around when we were dealing with this, and pending changes (where anon editors can edit with moderation) seems preferable to semiprotection (where anon editors can't edit at all) and also to reverting a vandal every few minutes. I'm open to suggestions, though. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

That was almost 24 hours ago, and warrants protection for a few hours at most, not a month, unless repeated on another occasion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The history of this user is that they resume targeting this page when protection ends. 331dot (talk) 19:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Well I do love your optimism that this particular user is going to give up after a day of protection. They've been at it for about eight months at this point, after writing things like this, and personally I'm disinclined to not act on it. But if you insist, I will unprotect the pages. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't really see the point in using pending changes here. Nothing is prevented — their changes still have to be reverted. All it does is make people approve every other edit. I personally think we should just leave their posts and quietly remove them after a couple hours instead of getting into long revert-wars that ultimately result in semi-protection anyways. C F A 💬 00:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm going to bring this up at WP:AN for wider opinions. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2024

I would like to describe the subject neutrally. Can you help me with this? NTIBABAZANIGENE (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 20:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Question moved to Wikipedia:Teahouse#Describing subject neutrally. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2024 (2)

Master Eddie Bravo calls him Louis "Street" Ho. Look it up on the 10th Planet website in the videos. Starid (talk) 20:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Question moved to Wikipedia:Teahouse#Sensei Louis Ho. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Edit requests

I'm not sure what purpose there is to allowing edit request like those above to be added to this talk page. Edit requests regarding specific article content should be made on the talk page of the article itself, right? So, declining them as they've been declined above doesn't make much sense to me. The best that can be done in my opinion would be to respond in the same way as if the "request" was posted on the main TH page itself: advise the asker that questions and concerns about article content should be discussed on the article's talk page. Similarly, when TH questions are posted here by mistake, they are sometimes moved to the main page and responded to there.

I know these ER are the direct result of the main TH page being protected, and the templates used for protection probably are advising people to post their ER on this talk page. That set up may work fine for other pages but seem to work as well here since pretty much TH questions are about things other than the TH itself. Is there any way to tweak things so that this talk page doesn't suddenly get filled up with edit requests? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, declining the edit requests isn't very useful. Now that the edit protection has been lifted, I'm going to move the questions to the main Teahouse page so that they can be answered. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

The editnotice is broken

See Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Template styles CSS needs to be changed. Myrealnamm's Alternate Account (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

New Growth Team feature

Hi Teahouse hosts, we're going to be trialling a new Growth Team Feature starting on Monday. You may see some unusual newbie behaviour or get some questions you've never had before. They're not sockpuppets! They're the new accounts that are being introduced to the new Add a link task. You'll be able to identify these edits easily, since they'll be tagged like this: (Tags: Visual edit, Newcomer task, Suggested: add links). It will also be possible to filter Recent Changes to see all edits suggested by this tool.

This feature helps spot likely places for new wikilinks and guides newcomers on how to add them and why. We're starting it really, really small - just 2% of all new accounts will get this feature in the first week - but the number will start rising over time. It should be a big improvement over the "add links" task we have now, which simply points newcomers at articles in Category:Articles with too few wikilinks. If you've ever added Template:Underlinked to an article only to come back a few hours later and find it overlinked to hell and back by a horde of well-meaning newbies, this is why. This new task is smarter, so we shouldn't see that kind of problem. But if we do notice that newcomers are adding bad links too often, or too many links, we can tinker with various settings that will impact this behaviour. And if this causes some kind of horrible unforseen problem, we can pause the experiment at any time.

More information here and here. -- asilvering (talk) 04:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the heads up! Sdkb ^talk 05:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)