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September checks

Thanks to stellar work from HeartGlow30797 and Vaticidalprophet we have got a decent way ahead so it's time to look at next month already - Dumelow (talk) 07:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done Vaticidalprophet 12:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 11:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 11:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 11:41, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 12:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 13:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 12:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 20:10, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 23:50, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 05:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 17:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that for the On this day... section for September 11, the September 11 attacks are listed as one of the anniversaries mentioned here. However, that day's featured picture is a photograph of the Tribute in Light 9/11 memorial from 2020. According to the guidelines per WP:OTD, it states, "To maintain a variety of topics on the Main Page, an event should not be chosen if it is also related to the subject of the featured article or the featured picture for that particular day." So there is a conflict for "On this day" since the Picture of the Day is about something related to 9/11. Shouldn't another event be featured in the OTD section since the day's featured picture is related to said tragedy? Birdienest81talk 09:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Main-Page-topic-variety is complex (we recently had both TFA and DYK about Singaporean train stations, and famously once TFA and ITN about snooker world tournaments). Given 9/11 is a much Bigger Deal than either of those things, with full respect to those subjects, and in particular that very different 9/11-related-subjects are being referenced, I think it's...borderline? If it had been an image of 9/11 itself, that would be an issue. (To a substantial degree, this is only a problem because all of TFA, DYK, and POTD try to calendar-schedule despite OTD existing and those three processes having an excess of options that don't relate to calendar dates.) We held 9/11 at OTD for the 20th anniversary because TFA understandably-in-that-case calendar-scheduled, but POTD running a tribute image, not the event itself, on an anniversary of an event so massive that the reader on the Bourke Street tram would query its exclusion is hard to schedule around. Willing to discuss this in further depth (not right now, am going to bed), but I don't think this is the sort of thing that rule should be interpreted to mean. In particular, OTD being the 'smallest' of the Big Four combined with two of the other three (and both sub-Big-Fours) repeatedly trying to calendar-schedule risks the perverse outcome that such interpretations mean we can never schedule huge events, because the others can call dibs. Vaticidalprophet 09:28, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm, yet on the15th anniversary of 9/11, there was no blurb about the disaster on the OTD section, but there was a photo of the old Twin Towers as POTD. Also, going by your reasoning that a photo not of the tragedy itself featured as POTD while having the blurb, last year's main page on the 21st anniversary, did not mention the attacks on the On This Day section, but there was a photo of the Lower Manhattan skyline from 2017 as POTD while having 55 Wall Street as the TFA. So why was there no blurb for 9/11 on that day despite not having a photo that is off the attacks itself>
Anyways, I'm not going to throw a fit about it really. I do think the 2001 attacks should be mentioned at some point or another every 9/11 anniversary. I think it's too big of an event to not memorialize especially considering Wikipedia was founded eight months before the attacks. The only year since 2004 where the attacks were not mentioned on the main page was on the 13th anniversary. So that was strange. Also yes, I do believe in the Ignore All Rules on certain circumstances. And yes, I am fascinated by 9/11's heroism, for what it's worth. Birdienest81talk 18:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 04:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 01:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done, awaiting thoughts on WT:OTD#Traditional dates before touching the 13th. Vaticidalprophet 00:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 01:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 01:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 01:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 03:48, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 03:48, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 03:48, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 06:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 06:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 06:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 06:32, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 06:32, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 06:32, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 10:30, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 11:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 06:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done, and there's a month. I have a few aside for October already, but will try put that off for a week or so. Vaticidalprophet 06:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Activity level

Hi all. Due to real life commitments I have not been able to edit Wikipedia at all for the past few weeks. I have a little more time now and hope to get back editing more often again but I won't be able to do a great deal here. Happy to help out if you need a day doing here or there (so feel free to give me a ping) but I won't be able to make a regular commitment. Thanks so much for all the great work going on here, this project is in a much better state than it was a year ago when dates were going up unchanged (and unchecked) from the year before - Dumelow (talk) 07:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Traditional dates

Just getting a pulse check on a holdover that I don't think is necessary. The Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus is traditionally said to have been dedicated on 13 September 509 BC. It's currently marked "ineligible" as an "uncertain date". Considering that we can write OTD hooks for ourselves and are not restricted to copying and pasting old ones, should "date is traditional/uncertain" be a hard ruleout, even if the traditional status is made explicit in the hook ("509 BC: The traditional date for when the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, the most important temple in Ancient Rome, was dedicated")? The hook on the dropdown doesn't make the uncertainty explicit, which would be problematic (to put it one way: if the dropdowns didn't exist, it'd surprise me if anyone wrote a hook from first principles that didn't mark it as uncertain). I'd prefer to be able to run contextualized-traditional-dates, because very little that predates the Julian and Gregorian calendars has an agreed-upon date down to the day and it's a significant problem otherwise for running far back in history. Vaticidalprophet 02:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Vaticidalprophet, that's tricky. I'll tell you my first opinion upon reading this, but am open to a guidelines change if warranted. My thought process is that readers of the Main page expect definite events that happened x years ago, and that if they click on the article, they can find more information about it. The Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus say Traditionally the Temple was dedicated on September 13, the founding year of the Roman Republic, 509 BCE according to Livy. According to Dionysius, it was consecrated two years later in 507 BCE. This uncertainty leads to readers not getting a big impact of "this even definitely happened ten years ago." My inclination is to say that the procedure should remain the same, and that we should rule out any uncertain dates. This is just my first reaction, feel free to reply with your thoughts. Heart (talk) 14:56, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
I've checked back through some sources, and 507 BC is definitely the minority stance. The day itself is not disputed at all (arguably we could say "509 or 507" and drop the 'traditional' entirely). I'll also note, checking the talk page history, that this regularly ran on the day before being moved, and it was originally moved for now-resolved maintenance issues (I'm trying to trace edit history for if and when the ineligbility wording was changed from maintenance to uncertainty). I think we're...very optimistic mostly in our dates prior to 1000 AD or so, and am not entirely comfortable with a ruling that goes "if we know there's a minority position about an otherwise clear date we can't run it, but if the event is too minor for the minority position to exist we don't see a problem, even though it's if anything much more likely to be wrong". Vaticidalprophet 21:20, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
I think if a minority opinion of the sources says a different date, it shouldn't disqualify its entry on OTD. However, the discrepancy should be cited in the article appropriately (perhaps with a note). If there is not a majority consensus amongst the sources, then it shouldn't be used. Z1720 (talk) 21:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Postscript: the appropriately-contextualized Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus ran OTD with no ERRORS complaints about its relevance. ERRORS has been lively lately, so if anyone thought it actionable it would've come up, and notes were made for minor tweaks, so it wasn't like it was totally ignored. Oh, and it got 20k views. I think we can reasonably consider this a sign such articles can run OTD if given appropriate context. Vaticidalprophet 17:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

October checks

Just setting up WP:OTD/OCT now. Vaticidalprophet 14:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Vaticidalprophet 15:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 15:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 15:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 14:33, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done (I think; first time!) Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 21:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look, and great work! I'll add a fourth b/d to that list when I go through soon. Regarding your earlier September ones, that's a little trickier -- usually they'd be changed much closer to the date, so doing the 2024 ones now makes it hard to keep track of it when doing September 2024 in the future -- but thanks for looking at October. Vaticidalprophet 10:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 14:00, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 01:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 12:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 20:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done, and re-checked prior days. Vaticidalprophet 21:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 21:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 01:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 01:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow • talk 23:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 05:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:44, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:44, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 22:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow • talk 23:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 21:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 16:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:55, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Oct 31 and DYK

DYK is planning on running 10 hooks on Oct 31 for Hallowe'en (link to prep queue). Should OTD add a sixth hook to this date for page balance, and an admin from ERRORS can hide it if its not needed, or is it better to leave it with five hooks? Z1720 (talk) 01:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

How did the Nathan Bedford Forest glorification sneak in there?

Can someone please explain how we came to be glorifying Nathan Bedford Forest on our main page? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:45, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@Z1720 and Vaticidalprophet: any ideas? I am not familiar with selected anniversaries at all so a general as well as a specific explanation would be helpful. Trying to work backwards from the problem to identify its cause (or as context would have it Lost Cause). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@Horse Eye's Back: Typing on a phone, so please excuse the formatting. I think this OTD statement is neutrally worded, and mentioning that someone led something is not glorifying them. Wikipedia is not censored and entries are not removed because an involved participant or leader did unethical things. If you are still concerned, I suggest posting at WP:ERRORS and linking to this discussion. Z1720 (talk) 19:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Thats NOT neutrality... Its false balance. It is in fact glorifying Forest. If the battle is what's notable why is the focus of the entry the commander? Who created the wording "1864 – American Civil War: Nathan Bedford Forrest led a cavalry division in an attack on a Union Army supply base at Johnsonville, Tennessee, resulting in the capture of 150 prisoners." because objectively it appears to be pushing Lost Cause ideology which wikipedia at one point had a massive problem with. Would a neutral wording really mention Forest but not the name of the battle? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Note that the neutrally worded entry at November 4th reads "1864 – American Civil War: Confederate troops bombard a Union supply base and destroy millions of dollars in materiel at the Battle of Johnsonville." so how did we get from that to glorifying the first Grand Wizard of the KKK? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
I haven't built OTD sets in several weeks, because Zed has gotten there faster. The first I heard of this hook is this ping. Vaticidalprophet 01:23, 5 November 2023 (UTC) ping Horse Eye's Back in case you're not following discussion Vaticidalprophet 01:24, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Keepin it fresh

I know some of our selected anniversaries/OTD volunteers are working to avoid repeating items that were used in the prior year. Can we recommend that practice at WP:OTD#"On this day" guidelines? Something like "Whenever possible, events should not be run in consecutive years?" Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I think the guidelines are already significantly overcomplex, given that they're essentially formalizations of an editor's intuitive practice that wasn't really done that strictly before and may not be the optimal way to manage OTD today. I've worked off of minimize-repeats generally, but I haven't done it to religious precision, and I'm already turned off by how literally OTD guidelines are interpreted. You know what some yellow-tags are? Rules as written, you can't run anything at OTD if it uses non-metric units. Vaticidalprophet 21:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
The guidelines already have "the time since an item has last been shown" as a consideration of whether to run a hook. I interpreted this as stating a preference for hooks to not run in consecutive years, if possible. I don't think making it explicit is entirely necessary, and now that we have editors like Vaticidalprophet looking for additional hooks, this has become less of a problem in the past couple of months and we are building up lots of potential eligible hooks. Z1720 (talk) 22:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
That covers it I think! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
  • The other thing that Howcheng used to do was to aim for quite a bit of spread in time; today's is nearly all 20th/21st century. I know putting together the set with all the constraints is a nightmare, but I think more variation would be positive. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
  • @Espresso Addict: I agree that more variety in dates would be nice. Unfortunately, OTD for Nov. 17 has zero eligible hooks for the 1800s. Of the four hooks avaiable for pre-1800, two ran on Nov 17, 2022, and one ran in June 2023, so I did not select them. I looked for additional hooks but couldn't find any. If you know of any hooks that can be used next year, please add them to the list. I also invite you to help build OTD sets so that we can maintain diversity in OTD. Z1720 (talk) 14:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I generally aim for "at least one pre-1800 and at least one pre-1900". I can't think of any set I've built that was all 1900s and later. I've generally not had trouble building sets to my interpretation of OTD standards, but I think Zed and I have different interpretations.
Also, for an abundance of clarity: I don't agree with the "quality doesn't matter past the base threshold" take, and it's one of the things I incorporate when building OTD sets. I don't think I would've swapped out the hook in the original dispute here. Vaticidalprophet 21:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I don't think I've ever built a set from scratch but I've often substituted one or two items when I was one of the admins working mainpage errors, so I know how hard the optimisation game can be. Personally, in the 17 Nov situation, I would definitely have rerun one from last year, though I know that was not Howcheng's custom. My personal order of importance would probably be making sure that the hook fact is correct (surprisingly many turned out to be wrong, or on the wrong date); then making sure the whole article meets a quality minimum (referenced, copy edited); then getting a good variety of items (century, country, topic) with a usable image (because I think that's what readers care about); then trying to optimise for quality above the minimum (less important because many readers don't click through); and only then paying attention to which ran in recent years; and I'd pay limited heed to the significant anniversaries except centenaries -- but obviously there's a lot of YMMV...
I may just take you up on the idea of helping out selecting hooks. I think a variety of editors contributing in this area is healthy. How does one jump in? Is there some marker for which sets are still showing last year? Espresso Addict (talk) 07:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
@Espresso Addict: I'm fine with editors editing sets where I've already swapped hooks. Also, if you ever find an article that would be a good hook or entry, feel free to add it to the eligible list of that date at any time. If you look at the thread above entitled "November checks" you can see which dates in November still need to be swapped. A new thread is started for each month. Z1720 (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

November checks

Please indicate when you have swapped the hooks for a given day. For November's complete list, see WP:OTD/NOV. New reviewers are always welcome, and feedback can be given if you comment below. Thanks for everyone that helps! Z1720 (talk) 21:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Z1720 (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:14, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 14:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 14:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 14:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:46, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 14:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 14:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 06:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 22:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 22:36, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 22:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 23:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Vaticidalprophet 23:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

December checks

List for swapping in new hooks and birth/death listings, as well as re-checking articles for eligibility, for december. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Edward-Woodrow (talk) 22:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow (talk) 12:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Edward-Woodrow (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 00:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 14:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 14:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 14:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 21:19, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 22:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 19:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 00:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 21:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 00:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hakkoda mountain disaster.

Shouldn't the disaster itself be bold and not the mountain? The mountain isn't relevant to the date the disaster is relevant to the date. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:42, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Traumnovelle: Mount Hakkoda disaster has too much uncited in the article so it can't be bolded. If you can add the necessary citations before the end of the day, we can bold it for the main page. Z1720 (talk) 00:45, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

January checks

Below is the list for swapping hooks for the month of January. OTD tries to prepare sets two weeks ahead of time. New OTD swappers are always welcome; editors can post below if they would like feedback on their work. Z1720 (talk) 00:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:20, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:25, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 19:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 21:27, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:24, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 14:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:53, 20 January 2024 (UTC) (first time so a double-check/feedback would be helpful)
@AirshipJungleman29: Excellently done! Last year OTD increased the born/died list to 4 articles, so feel free to add a fourth article there when swapping hooks. Z1720 (talk) 17:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 00:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

First timer

I just swapped the hooks for Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/February 14. This is my first time doing so, and I'd appreciate some review. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for helping out. The set looks good to me. If an entry is no longer eligible to be on OTD, it can be added to the ineligible list, instead of removed. This allows future prep-setters to fix mistakes and add them back to eligible if the problems are fixed. I also moved 2011 Bahraini uprising to ineligible because it has an orange banner; this usually disqualifies articles from appearing on OTD. Thanks again for your help and I hope you come back to do more! Z1720 (talk) 19:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
I just swapped the hooks for Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/February 23. This is now my second time doing this, and any feedback would be welcome. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
One specific question: based on Wikipedia:Main Page/Day after tomorrow, it looks like the ITN/OTD sides is going to run quite a few lines longer than the TFA/DYK side. Do we shorten OTD to maintain balance, or is it all on ITN? There are a few places we could trim the OTD set I just pulled together, like dropping the last blurb and/or the last birth/death. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
It's usually on ITN to drop an old blurb, unless things are really out of whack, if say, it's a very short DYK set or one gets pulled. It's also just slightly easier to just delete an ITN item, than move a OTD item back into the staging area. That said there's definitely less attention paid to balance nowadays with the new default Vector skin, but it still gets tweaked from time to time. Thanks for asking though, appreciated. Stephen 22:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Day of the year articles

The regulars here might be interested in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates#RfC on the leads of DOY articles and their FL eligibility. WhatamIdoing (talk) 08:07, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

February checks

Below is the list for swapping hooks for the month of February. OTD tries to prepare sets two weeks ahead of time. New OTD swappers are always welcome; editors can post below if they would like feedback on their work. Z1720 (talk) 16:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 21:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 Working Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:30, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:12, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 12:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 Working Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 19:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 22:07, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

March checks

Below is a link for swapping special occasions for April (in case any of them are March dates) and the list for swapping hooks for March. OTD tries to prepare sets two weeks ahead of time. New OTD swappers are always welcome; editors can post below if want feedback on their work. Thanks for everyone who participates! Z1720 (talk) 19:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 19:05, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 17:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 03:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done; I felt the current image is rather atmospheric, but if anyone feels it is too unclear at Main Page size, feel free to swap it out for Phan Xích Long or Valeri Polyakov. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 23:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 00:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 15:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

April checks

Below is a link for swapping special occasions for April (in case any of them are March dates) and the list for swapping hooks for March. OTD tries to prepare sets two weeks ahead of time. New OTD swappers are always welcome; editors can post below if want feedback on their work. Thanks for everyone who participates! Z1720 (talk) 02:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done Z1720 (talk) 19:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done by AirshipJungleman29. Z1720 (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 20:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 00:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Half millennium anniversary of New York City

Add when non-Native Americans first saw New York Harbor+land that became New York City? An Italian captain of a French ship trying to find a route to Asia April 17th 1524. They named NYC's harbor bridge after him. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Tomorrow

I proposed Bach's Du Hirte Israel, höre, BWV 104 for tomorrow on its 300th anniversary of the first performance (by date). I saw that nobody looked at the last days, and wonder who could check the addition. I am reluctant to place in into the actual set myself. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I didn't see this in time. In the future, consider just adding it directly. Per WP:OTD, For unprotected days, go ahead and add them directly to the project page... There really aren't many editors managing OTD, so feel free to be bold. As it is, the items for this day were basically the same as last year's. —Bagumba (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, Bagumba, will do just a bit sooner. When I decided to do that, the page was already protected. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I meant you could have directly placed it at the "live" location when you originally added it to April 23. I can understand being cautious. But really, OTD needs more active participants too. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 02:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
I meant the same. When I arrived at the decision to move it there, two hours before midnight, it was already protected, - I don't know for how long. Next time I'll place it there the first time. With Bach having composed a cantata almost every week, there are more. Just this one is especially wonderful, - perhaps listen ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Eastern Orthodox Good Friday

Would someone please be able to add Good Friday (Eastern Orthodoxy) to the OTD box. Today, May 3, it is Orthodox Good Friday, one of the most holiest liturgical days of the Orthodox calendar. When it was Western Christianity's Good Friday, I believe it was in OTD. May 5, obviously, is Orthodox Easter as well. Thanks! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 09:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Western Good Friday was not in OTD. Never ever would something be changed once the day has begun. Nobody seems to be active on OTD, it was last updated 7 April, sadly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

May 2024 checks

I am re-setting up the May checks to help editors keep track of which dates have already been swapped. Thank you to PFHLai and others for keeping this project going. Please indicate below when you have completed a date. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 19:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Z1720 (talk) 02:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 Done by PFHLai.
 Done by PFHLai.
 Done by PFHLai.
 Done by PFHLai.
 Done by PFHLai.
 Done Z1720 (talk) 00:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 Done Z1720 (talk) 01:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 Done with a group effort. Z1720 (talk) 02:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Requiem (Verdi)

As discussed with PFHLai, I'd like to see mentioning the 150th anniversary of Verdi's Requiem on 22 May OTD. I added it to day and year but not yet. The response was that it's not properly sourced. I added sources, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Is there a hook in the May 22 template already? If not, can you write one? Z1720 (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
I can't write it into the template because it is already protected, but here (as in the day and the year):

Question about reviews

I was previously aware that the inclusion of earlier dates as options for OTD were encouraged, and recently noticed that the date of death for Alfred the Great was included in the article. Presuming I am not mistaken that such proposals are welcome, and before adding it to the relevant template, I had wanted to check how these things are reviewed. Is it simply the case that any changes will be reviewed by before the template appears on the main page, or is there another process I may have missed? CSJJ104 (talk) 21:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@CSJJ104: OTD setters should be reviewing articles they place in the template. This process usually happens a couple days before the date when the hooks are "swapped". I suggest editors add articles to the "eligible" list on the date of the event or the person's birth/death date if the article is properly cited (a citation at the end of every paragraph) and there are no orange banners. Z1720 (talk) 21:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining :) CSJJ104 (talk) 00:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Too many 1960's South Vietnam events

Could an effort be made to stop posting events from South Vietnam in the 1960s? Ngo Dinh Diem, the Buddhist crisis, the 1963 coup that led to his death, and other articles in that period have been posted multiple, multiple times on OTD. I seem to recall that OTD was supposed to try for a variety of topics, and I even more dimly recall mention that once an article was posted an effort was supposed to be made to not post it again. In any case OTD would be better off if 1960's South Vietnam was retired as a topic. Abductive (reasoning) 07:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sinéad O'Connor on Saturday Night Live

Sinéad O'Connor on Saturday Night Live was recently rated a Good Article. I was wondering if it could appear on OTD on October 3rd, the anniversary of the performance. Thriley (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@Thriley: Add it to the "eligible" list for that day, and make sure the date is cited in the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Dunsinane 27 July

I wanted to check if my comment about updating the description of the battle involving Siward, Earl of Northumbria to include a link to the Battle of Dunsinane had been seen? I suggested this in Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/July 27.

I realise it may be too late to change now, but if there was an issue with the suggestion I would be interested to know, if only to avoid making the same mistake again. CSJJ104 (talk) 18:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@CSJJ104 Wow. I’m surprised that no one reads these talk pages at all. 81 views on this one in the past 30 days. Project On this day is super dead, which is pretty insane considering it’s a core part of the Wikipedia main page. Alexysun (talk) 07:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Add a link to OTD to the bottom of the main page section?

At the bottom of the OTD box on the main page, there's some links that say Archive ▪ By email ▪ List of days of the year. Any interest in adding a 4th link ▪ About, to make OTD a little easier to find? Inspired by this question at the Teahouse. cc Alexysun. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae Hi Novem, thank you for trying to increase the reach of my suggestion, though I realized that this talk page isn't very active. (111 views in the last 30 days). Would bringing this to the Village Pump be a better option? Alexysun (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
It's a bit strange that this talk page is so inactive, because I'm sure someone must be maintaining the OTD entries on the main page. Perhaps we can do some wiki-archaeology and figure out who in this project is doing the main page updates nowadays, and ping them.
Cross-posting this to one of the village pumps is also fine if you want to do that. Feel free. Maybe drop a {{Please see}} template there. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
@Novem Linguae: Maintenance of OTD is sporadic, usually by one or two editors at a time. Sometimes some dates do not have their hooks rotated. I am not against this suggestion. Z1720 (talk) 23:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Seems like there's no objections after a week, so I added it.  Done –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Serial killers

(Copying this from the talk page for Selected Anniversaries on 15 September, since the issue concerns the Selected Anniversaries page in general): I don't think that every individual murder by a serial killer is so important as to be included among the 'selected anniversaries' alongside major battles, inventions etc. And by overemphasising them, we are granting these sickos the 'fame' that many of them, being grandiose narcissists, have reportedly been eager to achieve. Looking at the page for 15 September, you get the impression that it is enough to kill two women in a shop to have your name and 'glorious achievement' listed alongside those of the inventor of the locomotive or of Mehmed The Conqueror. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 19:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I note the same situation today: some idiot has killed an antiques dealer and immediately earns a mention on Wikipedia's front page alongside a Roman emperor, a hurricane, the founding of Covent Garden and an aeroplane crash.--62.73.72.3 (talk) 17:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Arranging the Selected Anniversaries is a thankless task with lots of aspects to consider (article quality, verifiability of date, balance of subjects etc.), I did it for a bit before getting burned out. I am sure any help would be welcomed. The date pages are not protected until a day or two before they are due to appear so anyone can get involved. Would be great to see lots of interesting and good quality articles on a wide range of subjects appear - Dumelow (talk) 07:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Gandhi Jayanti

Gandhi Jayanti- October 2 is the birthday of Mahatma Gandhi, who is known as the father of the nation (India) and a key leader in India's independence, and should be added to the anniversary list (October 2) ~ Spworld2 (talk) 03:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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