Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Folklore

Meaning of Folklore?

I am seeking resolution on a dispute on Talk:Nordic folklore; the conversation is on whether coverage of Nordic architecture, cuisine etc are appropriate to a folklore article. It has turned into something of an edit war so I would appreciate outside voices please. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arhtech (talk • contribs) 20:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I am the person they are discussing this with on the talk page. I had begun editing the Nordic Folklore page and had started the process of laying out the sections of Nordic Folklore, which to me naturally included Architecture, traditions, cuisine, dances, etc when this user came in and wiped everything away (including valuable sources).. @Arhtech believes that none of this is considered Folklore. ShaveKongo (talk) 20:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

The article currently says "Folklore is a concept encompassing expressive traditions of a particular culture or group." On that basis, architecture, traditions, cuisine, dances, etc would be relevant if they are expressive traditions of a particular culture or group, but if I was reading the article I would not expect to find a broad discussion of (for example) just any architecture or cuisine I might encounter in Nordic countries. I would expect it to relate to a particular culture or group. If a culture X expresses its cultural distinctiveness through cuisine, then I would expect to see that in the article. If numerous members of X happen to eat a lot of pizza, I would not expect to see that mentioned. Cregneash (Isle of Man) gives an example of folk architecture. Napier, New Zealand discusses the Art Deco architecture to be found there, but it doesn't treat it as folklore. --Northernhenge (talk) 00:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Lake monster and related articles

WP:Folklore members will find this discussion interesting. Additionally, there's a discussion to be had here about how we're dividing up out articles like lake monster, sea monster, and river monster. What do you think we should do? :bloodofox: (talk) 16:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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Portal:Folklore

I've just discovered that Portal:Folklore exists. While I'm not sure if the ultimate fate of portals has been decided yet (there was some discussion about deleting them all recently), the portal is of historical interest given Wikipedia's spotty handling of folklore as a topic to date. :bloodofox: (talk) 22:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Muhuru for deletion

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Monitoring

I've attempted to add a monitoring section, but we'll see if the bot actually fills in the page tomorrow, and there are a few other elements to tweak/add. --tronvillain (talk) 14:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I've also started adapting a Navbox, at WP:WikiProject_Folklore/Nav --tronvillain (talk) 22:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox folk song

Template:Infobox folk song has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Tamtam90 (talk) 22:48, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

The discussion was closed April 20, 2018 (see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 March 17#Template:Infobox folk song). A second attempt was closed July 2, 2018 (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 July 2#Template:Infobox folk song. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Navbox

I've added a Navbox. Some of the pages still need to be created, or the links possibly removed from the Navbox depending on whether we think they're worth it. The Cleanup link should be available after Tuesday. --tronvillain (talk) 19:39, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Category:European folklore

It may be out of scope for an Americano-centric WikiProject, but could someone take a look at Category:European folklore? It seems to be somewhat underpopulated and excludes Category:European mythology. Dimadick (talk) 11:22, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I tagged it "attention=yes", since I've managed to work out how to make that work. --tronvillain (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Utah Mother Goose tradition

hi, an ip has questioned whether the above should be included in the Mother Goose article, i would welcome some input there, thanks Coolabahapple (talk) 06:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Article for Deletion: Goatman: Flesh or Folklore?

I've just submitted this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goatman: Flesh or Folklore?. Comments welcome. :bloodofox: (talk) 23:38, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Merge proposal: Mythology > Myth

Just a heads up that I've proposed that we merge mythology into myth. Please feel free to comment. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Fallout 76 Release and Traffic Increase

Just as a heads up, the November 14 release of Fallout 76 is likely to produce a significant increase in traffic for West Virginia folklore-related articles, such as Mothman and Flatwoods monster (For example). During this time, we might want to be extra vigilant about drive-by edits. :bloodofox: (talk) 22:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Merge discussion- List of Cryptids to Lists of Legendary Creatures

This may be of note to members [[1]].Slatersteven (talk) 10:58, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Folk art, Folk arts and Concepts in folk art

There has been a lot of new material added to these articles by User:Smithriedel, who over recent years has done most of Folklore (currently 88% of the text, Family folklore, Folklore studies and perhaps others. I have been discussing these with him, currently mainly on Talk:Folk art. I see many of the same issues I have were raised before on Talk:Folklore studies. I come at this from an art history perspective myself, but other views and comments would be welcome. My main concern is to keep the relatively highly-viewed main article at Folk art neutral, coherent and a readable introduction - it was short and pretty poor before Smithriedel came along, but still has a long way to go, imo. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Johnbod:—Sorry, I'm only just now seeing this. Yikes. I'll bump up slating these articles for a total rewrite. :bloodofox: (talk) 23:42, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, indeed - I can chip in, but am not the person to do a big rewrite/expansion. Once he dropped it, I did too, but I have been mulling it over. I think at least the article is now better than before. I got him to move the most theoretical stuff to Concepts in folk art. Does anyone else want to start? Specific stuff (with lots of links) is one crying need - sections for global regions? Johnbod (talk) 01:02, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Highgate Vampire

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Article recently survived an assault by one of the principals involved in the drama. Upon review, it leans toward the WP:SENSATIONAL. It could use a revamp by someone who has access to quality academic sources and folklorists. - LuckyLouie (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Alexander the Great in the Quran

Your feedback would be appreciated at this request for comment on Talk:Alexander the Great in the Quran. Mathglot (talk) 19:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Folklore for deletion

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Creepy Wikipedia

Maybe this WikiProject should be renamed? ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Somehow just seeing this! Very interesting article, thanks for bringing it up here. :bloodofox: (talk) 18:33, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

This started years ago, albeit informally. Teens would share lists of "creepy" WP articles on bulletin boards. A few attempted to edit existing articles to make them "creepier", but were mostly thwarted in the act. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

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Folktales

The Folktale page is apparently a DAB page. Relevant material appears to be covered under Folklore, which seems rather broad, since there are many types of examples of folklore (i.e., customs, crafts, sayings, etc). I would have thought the topic of the stories themselves was worthy of its own article. Just wondering. Manannan67 (talk) 14:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

There seem to be multiple ones.Slatersteven (talk) 14:41, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Stub category and tags proposal

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2020/October#Folklore stubs.
Proposed because we don't have a stub category tree for folklore, leading to lots of uncategorized stubs, and mis-categorized ones (mostly under "mythology", which is really for material with a religio-spiritual basis, but also often under "places", "people", etc., as if not folkloric/legendary).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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FAR for Kitsune

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Folklorismus

Might somebody please visit Folklorismus and add content informing readers what the subject is? See my comment about it on the article's talk page from December 2019. Largoplazo (talk) 03:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

List of megafauna in mythology and folklore is a mess.

List of megafauna in mythology and folklore is a mess.

It might be possible to make a good article about this, but probably we should just delete it.

2804:14D:5C59:8693:C004:46DA:F27B:F37E (talk) 23:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

The Scorpion and the Frog

A discussion has been opened on the Talk page of The Scorpion and the Frog about the possible connection between Talmudic mention of a story involving a scorpion riding on a frog's back, a Persian story that came later, and Aesopic fables involving ingratitude for help rendered in which other creatures are involved. The subject requires expert knowledge and input would be welcome. Sweetpool50 (talk) 13:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Green children of Woolpit

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English folklore

An article within this group's scope has recently been moved to Draft:English Folklore by Region. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

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Aarne-Thompson Grouping

For fairytales, I've recently added Category:Aarne-Thompson Grouping with subcategories for each of the groups used in Aarne and Thompson (1964). Those groupings are the same ones used by other indexes that some articles point to. There are a number of potential issues:

• I took the numbers from wikidata, from the infobox, and from the text of the article. These don't always match up, so I've added more than one category to cover all the numbers mentioned (but see below re "all")
• The numbers are not often sourced, making errors harder to spot
• Regarding "all", I've used a number of searches to capture as many articles as possible but may very well have missed some.
• The numbers are sometimes labelled ATU, sometimes AT, sometimes AaTh, sometimes ATU written out in full in different ways, sometimes just the number. This makes it hard to find them all, but also raises the possibility that they refer to different editions of the numbering scheme. I think that using the groups, not the specific numbers, should offset this risk, but I'm not 100% sure
• Similarly, a few (maybe a very few) use ATU when they mean Motif, which raises the possibility of errors in coding. The motif codes begin with letters so hopefully the problems can be picked up that way

While I was doing this, I noticed a couple of other points:

• Quite a lot of "fairy tale" articles are tagged for notability and/or references - they'll be vulnerable to AFD unfortunately (not from me!). It's often, but not always, the ones that just tell the story without history, analysis, references to academic debate etc. (See Wikipedia:Plot-only description of fictional works.)
• A great many articles in fairytale categories don't have ATU numbers in the articles. It would need an expert to add them. The problem seems to apply more to some countries than others, as you can see if you go in via Category:Fairy tales by country‎
• Some groups have less coverage than others. Maybe that's because they're scarcer "in the wild" or maybe there is scope for some focused article creation!
• As a future project, probably for an expert, the groups could do with articles, or at least a bit of an introduction on the category pages. I've included their titles but that's the only clue what the group contains and it's necessarily vague given the group size.

I'll still be keeping an eye out for any I've missed and any I've mis-transcribed. --Northernhenge (talk) 13:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I’ve put a list of “Fairtytales with an ATU classification, but tagged for notability as of 1 August 2022“ in the todo section. Some of them will just need detagging, where the tag is old but the article has been developed further.—Northernhenge (talk) 22:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Vampire

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The misleading Adage redirect

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Proverb#Adage needs to stop redirecting here. Summary: Proverb has a very narrow scope, and that of the term adage is much wider (proverb is a traditional folkloric subset). We probably need a set-index article for such terms, either a new one at Adage itself, or develop the even more generalized bare list at Saying into a proper set-index article with encyclopedic content not just links to articles. At any rate, Adage needs a more appropriate link target than just going to Proverb.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Invented_tradition#Merge_from_pseudo-mythology

Please say a word at Talk:Invented_tradition#Merge_from_pseudo-mythology