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How many planets were discovered beyond our Milky Way? Are there any yet?

I wonder. (talk)}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bewwy3 (talk • contribs) 11:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Bewwy3: The Teahouse is about asking questions about editing and using Wikipedia. Consider taking this question to the reference desk instead. Mstrojny (talk) 11:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Bewwy3: You could easily have Googled this yourself, but see: Exoplanet. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:26, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Bewwy3: Also Extragalactic planet. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.1.40 (talk) 15:13, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. (talk)}}

One article for two sisters

Hi there Before I submit an article I just wanted to check if there's any guidance on doing a single article on more than one person. In this case, it's about two elderly sisters who were involved in the suffragette movement in Scotland - Elizabeth and Agnes Thomson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gillaween/sandbox

They appear to have done everything together, including getting arrested for the cause, so two separate articles would be almost identical. Is it ok to do this? Many thanks for feedback Gillaween (talk) 15:27, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Gillaween, if they genuinely did everything together to the extent that there's no point having separate articles on each of them as the text would be duplicated, that's fine; see Category:Sibling duos and Category:Married couples for lots of similar articles. Bonnie and Clyde and The Wachowskis are a couple of high-profile examples. ‑ Iridescent 15:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Iridescent, I couldn't think of an appropriate search term for 'sibling duos'! Gillaween (talk) 15:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Date of death not known

Hello again Thanks for all the help I've had in response to my queries already. Thanks to fellow editors, I have now published 4 articles \0/ One of the problems I've had with the suffragettes is that it's relatively easy to find their birth dates (I subscribe to Find My Past for access to census records and their age and address as often in their arrest records so I can cross-check for accuracy). However, unless they stay at that address or there is a death notice which notes their involvement in the suffragette movement, I can't be sure I have the right date of death (if any). In these cases I have put eg (born 1872) after their name but one of the pages has been categorised as a living person. She'd be 147 now! I want to avoid any confusion though so I'm wondering if anyone knows the convention where date of death is not known. Many thanks Gillaween (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gillaween. Category:Living people has guidance. You can add Category:Year of death missing for births before 1904. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:08, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you - that is so helpful PrimeHunter Gillaween (talk) 18:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

\0/ indeed! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:27, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Translate

Hello. I would like to write the french page of the Lycée Français de Jérusalem. Should I create a separate page or find the way to connect mines (if I do, how?), like on Wikipedia's pages, where you can select the language with the one you display the page's text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LLGH (talk • contribs) 19:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@LLGH: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Someone may know the answer to your question, but you would probably need to ask this question on the French Wikipedia. Each language version of Wikipedia is its own project with its own guidelines. 331dot (talk) 19:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Advice on translation to other languages is at WP:Translate us. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Beauty pagents

Hello i would like to ask a question based in beauty pagents,like been a editor there,how do you edit the things about beauty pagents,do u have to basically know all about pagentry,before you start editing and how can you be a best editor,when you edit about beauty pagent related topics — Preceding unsigned comment added by Letmore (talk • contribs) 18:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Letmore, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer to your question is the same as for any other topic: find reliable published sources on the subject (such as major newspapers, and books from reputable publishers), and summarise what they say, in your own words. If you are knowledgeable on the subject, that may help you find the sources, and make sense of what they say; but it is perfectly possible to edit an article that you don't know much about, if you follow the soures.

Wikipedia is basically not interested in what you know (or what I know!): it is only interested in what the published sources say. That means, unfortunately, that if you know something, but can't find a reliable source for it, then you can't put it in the article. A "best editor" is somebody who improves articles - on any subject - by making them clear and accurate with respect to the sources, and following Wikipedia's guidelines on content, presentation, etc. --ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

need help about mentioning other pages

how to link with other Wikipedia pages while editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by হানিয়াম মারিয়া (talk • contribs) 20:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Do you mean a Wikilink? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 20:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, হানিয়াম মারিয়া. Please read Help:Link. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

How to answer to people

Hi! I am new in contributing to Wikipedia and had a really general doubt. How do you answer to people in the Talk page? Do you just edit and write something underneath the comment you want to answer to? Thank you in advance! Lucia.notifications5 (talk) 19:50, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Lucia.notifications5. Pretty much yes, WP:INDENT may be helpful. More at WP:TALKPAGE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Lucia.notifications5: And if you want to start a new conversation with another editor, you click the 'Add topic' button. This ensures your post is added to the bottom of the other editor's talk page. That's the right place - not the top - which for some might seem a little counter-intuitive. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:27, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hé

[ ]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bousslham (talk • contribs)

Hello, Bousslham. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia that you need answering? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

article edit

hey i was reading this article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Edmondson

and i saw it states this girl was "forcibly branded". not that i wanna defend what looks like a really f***ed up cult, but the truth is the truth, and according to her own interview in this CBC podcast, she wasnt forcibly branded. There was definitely peer pressure, but thats not the same as "forceful branding". this is the podcast:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/uncover/uncover-escaping-nxivm-1.4675949

she mentions the branding thing on episode 1. i have never edited anything on wikipedia and have no idea how to go about changing it. to be honest i'd rather have someone else take this information and change it. but worst case scenario if someone shows me how i could change it myself. im in no way affiliated with this cult and honestly think they're pretty bad people, but even bad people are entitled to be judged by their actual actions, of which there seem to be plenty, and not fabricated ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin.z111 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Removed word "forcibly" from article. It's something you could have done. Clicking on "Edit" for any section opens the section to being edited. Clicking on "Edit" at top menu opens entire article to be edited. David notMD (talk) 17:13, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Martin.z111. User:David notMD has beaten me to it, but I spent some time looking through the NYTimes article and video, the former of which says "Edmondson arrived at the house thinking she was getting a tattoo..., but was instead held down on a table and branded with a cauterizing pen.", and a number of other less significant sources refer to the group she belonged to 'forcibly branding' people. However, I think 'forcibly' was too strong a word to use, and I think you were right to question the wording and for David to remove it. (Perhaps 'unwittingly' might have been nearer the mark.) Anyway, why I'm following this up is just to encourage to you make edits here yourself, to thank you for raising your concerns, and also to suggest that sometimes the better place to raise concerns, as you've done here at the Teahouse, is actually to raise them on the associated Talk page itself (look for the Tab next to the article). There there will always be a number of interested editors watching the page, and they will be alerted to the concerns you raise. There might then be a discussion based on different sources offered and a consensus reached as to what the best form of wording might be. This can be done either before or after making such a change. Anyway, you've done the right thing. Best wishes at the start of your editing journey here on Wikipedia. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:38, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

assuming this is where im supposed to reply: thanks and sounds good i'll do that next time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin.z111 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Greetings

Dear Sir/Ma'am,

My name is Shubhashish Chandra Bodhopadhya and I live in Chennai, India. I am chartered accountant with five kids, two boys(Gujrath Bodhopadhya and Mohan Bodhopadhya) and and three girls (Aisha, Nadia and Ulrika). My wife, Sneha works in the government police department. My question to you is how is Wikipedia planning to expand Indian-related articles in English version? I want to cover up the numerous sexual violence and assaults present in this country. I am looking forward to work as journalist in NDTV.

Please reply on my talk page,

Thanks in advance,

S.C.B — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.244.17.51 (talk) 21:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Welcome to the Teahouse, but your post makes little sense to me, and it is never advisable to reveal personal details of family, employers and motives. Do you know the meaning of the word 'oxymoron'? Your comment that you want to '"cover up" (i.e. hide) stories of assault and violence seems at odds (i.e. in opposition) with your aim to be a journalist. This I find oxymoronic. To answer your actual question, I see enough new pages here to believe that Indian editors are doing just fine in expanding Indian-related articles. (See Special:NewPagesFeed) Do you think I am wrong in forming this conclusion? Beyond that, the Teahouse is a place to answer questions about editing Wikipedia, and I don't see any question from you that we can actually answer. I will copy this to the Talk page of the IP address you are using. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:55, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Shubhashish. I am guessing that you meant "cover" rather than "cover up". If you mean that you wish to do some investigation and write journalistic articles about those issues, I'm afraid Wikipedia is completely the wrong venue for that. If the issues have already been discussed in reliable published sources (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers) then we can have articles which summarise what those published sources say; but investigative journalism would count as original research, which is not permitted in Wikipedia. I also get the sense that you might be trying to tell the world about these problems: a laudable aim, but again, not permitted in Wikipedia (see WP:NOT#Righting great wrongs).

Finally, your question of "how is Wikipedia planning to expand ... " indicates that you have a misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia content is created entirely by volunteer editors, who decide what they want to work on: there is no editorial board planning what we should concentrate on. You are welcome to join us and add more material that you think would be valuable; but, again, be aware that writing for Wikipedia is very different from journalism. --ColinFine (talk) 23:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

The "up" may have been unintentional. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Changing page title to correctly reflect legal name

I am not sure how you go about this or if it is even possible, but I created the HJ Martin and Son page as a favor to a friend and periodically update it. When I originally created the page, I left out the periods after the initials and apparently the company's legal name is H.J. Martin (as opposed to HJ Martin). I can edit the content, but I don't know how to edit the title. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CdbgLaurie (talk • contribs) 16:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

What you need is moving a page. See WP:MOVE for guidelines. --CiaPan (talk)
@CdbgLaurie: --CiaPan (talk) 18:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Regarding WP:COI and WP:PAID, see also this recent posting on my userpage. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:43, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Reading and correcting spelling/grammar

Hi.

I am interested for now in reading the articles and checking for spelling and grammatical errors. Is this type of task available?

Yes! Thanks for offering to help with this neverending task. See WP:TYPO to start. In the see also section there is a link to other projects related to cleanup like this. RudolfRed (talk)

Based on your interests (especially if you are looking for pages to start), you might want to take a look at the Articles Needing Copyedit and the Wikipedia articles needing cleanup after translation. Best regards, Darwin Naz (talk) 02:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Biography

I am editing a biography for a prominent person who recently died. I believe need to change the template from Biography of a Living Person to Biography of a Dead Person. Could you explain how to do this. Leland2018 (talk) 03:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Leland2018: You may not need to- BLP (biography of a living person) doesn't immediately terminate when they kick the bucket, it continues on for a while (partly to avoid a flood of BLPvio edits while they are in the news). If you do have to change it, though, as I don't know which article you are talking about, either delete "of a living person" or simply remove the whole thing. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 04:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Notice: Teahouse navigation aid added

To help editors move from the bottom of the Teahouse page back to the top, and vice versa, I have added two small floating up and down arrows which you will now see in the bottom right hand corner of this page. Just click or tap the 'up' arrow/chevron to go to the top of the page. Whilst the intention is to aid navigation, it's possible some users may find it obstructs their view of content. The only way is to try it and find out!

So please let us know if you like (or hate) this small up and down arrow, and we'll remove it if it causes problems. The main intent was to aid the growing army of mobile phone users who don't have the keyboard commands (Ctlr-Home and Ctrl-End) to quickly move between page bottom and page top, but instead have to swipe endlessly to reach where they want to go! Comment here, or at the original proposal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Moyes (talk • contribs) 17:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Please remember to sign your posts. It does hover over content. Is there a preference to disable it? RudolfRed (talk) 17:52, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, RudolfRed, that was extremely remiss of me to forget to sign my own post! Can I ask what browser you're using, as in Chrome and Windows the floating icons goes behind the Table of Contents (TOC), and in Safari on an iPhone they go behind the TOC and also disappear completely whenever the screen is moved up very slightly. To be functional the navigation icons do have to float over a small amount of general page content, but I've never found they get in the way when used on a Talk Page in either desktop view on PC, laptop or smartphone. Sounds like that's not happening in the way you're viewing it? I'm not aware of a user preference to disable that form of navigation template, though others more skilled might be. It was simply a case of trialling it for a while and seeking feedback on whether the functionality, visibility and position of this helps or hinders users here. One-nil to 'hindering' from the sound of it so far. Is the amount of content being covered by the navigation icon a serious issue as you're viewing it, a noticeable but insignificant effect, or some point midway? Many thanks for your feedback. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:50, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Internet Explorer 11. Yes, the buttons do float behind the TOC, which I don't usually use. The buttons are mildly intrusive in that they cover the right side text of any TH discussion that's near the bottom of the ~~page~~ window. I would vote against this, but it is only mildly annoying to me, so of others find it useful then its not a big deal. RudolfRed (talk) 20:24, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Let's see how it works out for a while then, shall we. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

I'ts fine helpful for mobile, its quite helpful when in smartphone you move to desktop mode. --Rocky 734 (talk) 02:47, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I very much dislike those floating thingies, although it wouldn't be too hard to get rid of this annoying cruft with an AdBlock rule. Once you start with it you can't stop, add some helpful floating social media like + share buttons, cover the top of the page with a floating sign-up + login banner, cover the bottom with a floating cookie + privacy info, and then wonder why the audience dropped to zero.

–84.46.52.84 (talk) 05:28, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

My comment was written on a laptop and might be completely wrong for mobile. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 07:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Picture?

Hi I'm ollliewikistuff and I'm new to Wikipedia how do you add pictures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ollliewikistuff (talk • contribs) 18:47, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Ollliewikistuff, You can upload images using the Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard. Make sure you have permission. WelpThatWorked (talk) 19:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

WelpThatWorked, I think it is misleading to talk about "permission". It's not about whether you have permission, Ollliewikistuff, it's about whether the copyright owner has released the picture so that anybody may use it. See Image use policy. --ColinFine (talk) 19:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

The permission to upload a picture here is relevant for folks without account or not logging in (example), and IIRC very new accounts also can't upload media. Of course it's as you said once they can upload, the media has to be free enough, e.g., CC-BY-SA or one of the many other "good enough" licenses accepted on commons. On enwiki the additional fair use rules are rather tricky, e.g., if it's a living person you're supposed to take a really free new photo, I learned that by trial + error.

–84.46.53.245 (talk) 07:28, 4 March 2019 (UTC) olliewikistuff:thanks guys, big help!

How to Nominate an article for deletion

Hello, I have found a low importance article that I believe is in such a bad state that it would be eligible for deletion. I am new to the process of article nominations and would like to ask if any of you could lead me to the exact template or a proper guide to deletion of articles. I have tried doing research on the topic with no true progress. BMO4744 (talk) 14:15, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@BMO4744: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The entire deletion policy and all available processes are described at WP:DELETE. In short, if you believe the deletion will not be controversial, you may use what is called "Proposed Deletion" which you may read about at WP:PROD. There is also a quicker but more limited process called speedy deletion; the article must meet one of the speedy deletion criteria listed at WP:CSD in order to be deleted in that manner. If neither of those processes is appropriate, you may start an Articles for Deletion discussion. You will want to make sure alternatives to deletion are not practical to use. 331dot (talk) 14:19, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

You might find this essay useful as a starting point. Yunshui ^雲 _水 14:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

PROD can be also used if you only hope that it should be uncontroversial, because folks are in theory free to "dispute" a PROD by simply removing the template (in practice removing a PROD without reason is like asking for an AFD.) PROD must not be used if there was an older PROD or older AFD for the given article (as recorded on its talk page.) Of course abusing any deletion procedure on dozens of pages where that has no snowball's chance in hell to succeed would be considered as disruptive. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 07:51, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Kargil War - WikiPage

Hi there, To start with i am not sure which Wiki community can help address this query. I was recently was going through the Kargil War Wikipedia page and i notice a particular name missing in the list of Gallantry awards. I would want to bring to your notice that - Shri Digendra Kumar who is a former member of the 2nd battalion of the Rajputana Rifles regiment and was awarded the Mahavir Chakra on 15 August 1999, for his acts of bravery in the Kargil War.

In the light of this, i am also including the Wikipage dedicated to the braveheart Digendra Kumar Based on the above, could you please add the name to the list of awardees please?

Regards, Pavan Sharma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.227.97.76 (talk) 04:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Done Rojomoke (talk) 07:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Mars Argo's Birthday

I want to add Mars Argo's date of birth to her page. Is this a reliable enough source? They are from her confirmed Tumblr page.

http://marsargo.tumblr.com/post/92755456051/when-is-your-birthday

http://marsargo.tumblr.com/post/123126061226/what-day-is-your-birthday

Thanks! El zafiro solitario (talk) 14:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi El zafiro solitario. You can probably find more information about this in WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:BLPSELFPUB. Argo's Tumblr page will be seen as a primary source which means it possibly can be used, but which also means that it needs to be used carefully. Even if she says her date of birth is such and such, it wouldn't be the first time that a public person purposely gave out a false date of birth to keep their real age, etc. secret. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:53, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

If it's some kind of "celebrity" they can certainly try to keep it secret, but they can't insist on it "only here" if some date found in relevant+reliable+independent sources exists. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Tone

How do I indicate an article’s tone feels biased? I was looking at Kelly Hoppen and the article contained spurious details - eg her holiday arrangements. I took out some but hesitated making bigger changes. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cclogs (talk • contribs) 07:39, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Try using Template:Unbalanced. See Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup for details. Eman 235/talk 08:16, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Cclogs: You may also start a relevant discussion at the article's talk page: Talk:Kelly Hoppen. --CiaPan (talk) 08:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Cclogs: Not to mention the template {{tone}} which might be more appropriate to your question, and can be easily added manually, or via Twinkle if you've chosen to have that tool enabled. At a quick skim through I don't think you need to add any templates to the article after your recent cleanup edits. It seems OK now. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Learning

When my page goes online? How do I make my red link turn into blue link? And when I press on it,must go to that article? How do I do that?RapMon27 (talk) 09:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@RapMon27: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not entirely clear on which page you are referring to; please link to it so we can help you. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, RapMon27. I fear that you have done what many new editors do, and plunged straight into the difficult task of creating a new article, without learning what that task involves. Assuming you are talking about Draft:Shuhua, it is visible for all the world to see as a Draft, but will not be added to the main article space, or indexed by search enginges, until it has been accepted in review. You can submit it for review by pasting {{subst:submit}} at the top; but that would be a waste of time at present, because it will not be accetped until you add several citations to independent reliable published sources. Please see WP:Your first article.

I'm not sure what you mean about making a red link turn to blue, but I'm guessing that it is the link to "Rising Legends CUBE x SOOMPI Promotional Video" You have put that in as a Wikilink, i.e. to another Wikipedia article; but there is no such Wikipedia article, and there will not be until somebody creates it (assuming the subject is notable, which I doubt). If you intended to create a link to the video itself, external links use only a single pair of square brackets, with the URL between - but there are tight restrictions on external links in articles, and that is probably not appropriate.

Wikipedia articles should be entirely based on reliably published information, and be written neutrally. No article should say what a person is best known for unless there is a reliably published source, independent of the person, that makes that statement. --ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Guru Rohit Mattewara

Guru Rohit From Mattewara 141007 punja,rohan ,road, Ludhiana guru Rohit tik Tok Star from mattewara — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guru Rohit Mattewara (talk • contribs) 09:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Guru Rohit Mattewara welcome to Wikipedia's Teahouse. We are here to help answer editor's questions about building this encyclopaedia. Is there something you need help with? I should just tell you that we're not here to help people promote themselves or their social media presence. Oh, and we also advise against posting addresses, dates of birth or contact details. If you need any help with editing, do come back and ask. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

List of Afghans

Hello, I would like to edit the intro for this page as well make some inputs for notable people under the topic. Is it okay if i publish/edit them with resources/references and then you guys can mention if they are okay to stay on the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salmankhan6 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@Salmankhan6: You've already asked about this above at #Editing "List of Afghans", right? You've received some replies there; so, if there's something that you don't understand, please ask about it in that thread. Asking essentially the same question in multiple threads will just fragment the discussion and make it confusing for others. - Marchjuly (talk) 14:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Again, names are on this list only if there are existing Wikipedia articles about the people, hence all blue Wikilinks. Adding a name with some references attesting to their potential notability is not an accepted procedure. If there are people you feel strongly belong in this List article, first create articles about them. David notMD (talk) 15:19, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

David notMD, unless I've misunderstood, according to WP:CSC, adding red links accompanied by references to sources demonstrating notability is acceptable, if it is reasonable to expect that an article could be written. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

In this instance I yield to editors who have a better idea (and references) to indicate a notable person who is not (yet) the subject of an article. The examples I am more familiar with are articles about towns in the US - which often have a list of notable people (blue-Wikilinks) - but often addition of names that likely never achieve an article of one's own. David notMD (talk) 22:30, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

JFTR, some lists are limited to existing articles and intentionally have no references at all. I'm familiar with software lists and comparisons, they attract spam (in the form of red or external links) like a magnet. Always check the talk page for a list, there should be some stated rules what is or isn't "allowed", and expect some serious debate if you try to change those rules unilaterally (=without some kind of rough consensus), e.g., the list of sex symbols requires an existing article plus two clear references (with a verbatim "sex symbol" in the text) per entry. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 10:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Watford FC

Hi

The Watford FC page is missing Juan Camilo Hernandez (Cucho Hernandez) as a player out on loan. His own page is correct and states that he is indeed owned by Watford and out on loan at Huesca — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davey79c (talk • contribs) 10:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Make your request on the talk page of the article and it will be considered. A reliable source would help. Britmax (talk) 11:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Loop 142 is not exist?

The page about Loop 142 is not existing in this page. Please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayscott478 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Jayscott478: Draft:Loop 129 is still located where it has been since you made it.

You should really read these instructions on how to write articles that won't be rejected or deleted and try again, though. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

what is Loop 142?SovietxRefill (talk) 18:13, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@SovietxRefill: Probably it's one of those listed at List of state highway loops in Texas. --CiaPan (talk) 20:06, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

oh its a highway, thanks SovietxRefill (talk) 20:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Loop 142

I have writing about Loop 142 and added infos about it today. Hope you enjoyed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayscott478 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Loop 142 is a loop in Jacksonville TX and it is a connected route that serves TX110 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayscott478 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Jayscott: - thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. You can discuss the Loop 142 article on the talk page - this is for general article questions. Your comments got mixed up with another issue. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes so your name appears with your posts. ~~~~ TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I'll do this then

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highway_loops_in_Texas This might help Jayscott478 (talk) 18:12, 2 March 2019 (UTC) Thanks,

Oh, come one, Jayscott478! Don't keep on starting new threads. Please keep everything all together in one place and put your answers where you were asked to supply information; and you might find we are more able or willing to help you. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Fixed by some semi-WP:BOLD (for IPs) copy + paste: –84.46.53.245 (talk) 11:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Template Help

Hello! I am trying to use a template and it is not working. I tried using it on a sandbox page and seeing the page on templates to see if I was improperly using it and it has not worked. Maybe it is because the template is under a deletion notice? if anyone can help please do. Thanks. BMO4744 (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@BMO4744: It is the nowiki tags, and the template itself isn't under a deletion notice, it is a deletion notice. Although I don't recommend doing it- it will be contested- use the source editor to view my edit here, and copy and paste this: {{subst:proposed deletion|concern=With a new controversy arising about child pornography on the internet and the increased action now being taken by companies, governments, and ISPs. This article could soon become a new source of controversy on the issue. Despite [[WP:Censorship]] stating that "graphic imagery should not be censored on Wikipedia..." This article could be a huge target on Wikipedia and the Wikimedia foundation arising from the new controversy on graphic child imagery. I know that to all the editors on Wikipedia that are fans of the Scorpions would hate to hear this, but this article is not notable enough to the point where it should be contested for a possible black listing of the page like [[Virgin Killer Controversy|what happened back in 2008]]. [[User:BMO4744|BMO4744]] ([[User talk:BMO4744|talk]]) 01:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)]]}} MINUS THE NOWIKI TAGS. I warn you again, though, that if you go through with the PROD (proposed deletion) it will not be successful. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 04:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

That section is about File:Virgin Killer.jpg, and a FFD (File For Discussion/Deletion) was closed as speedy keep by Primefac. PROD can't be used after an ordinary deletion procedure, and without checking it, I think that WP:PROD is anyway only for articles, not for images, user pages, talk pages, etc. In theory everybody can contact WMF legal if they think that something violates the ToU, but in practice the Virgin Killers#Wikipedia controversy section documents that this already happened in 2008. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 12:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Biased Page

I was combing through a couple of pages when I oddly encountered a page about a YouTuber. Apparently, the page is misrepresented and does not include a lot of information. It only contains oddly specific information describing such person. I would've edited it but only extended confirmed users are able to access it. Such YouTuber has constantly tried to reason and ask for edits but to no avail. I would like to open this issue up so that the YouTuber could posssibly get a neutral, unbiased and up-to-date page. Thanks! (For clarification, this is not a question, this is just an issue I'm trying to bring up because I can't edit the page)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dice

--YouGottaChill (talk) 16:53, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Dear @YouGottaChill: Please bring this concern up on the talk page: Talk:Mark Dice. Since the concerns that you have are in regards to the page as a whole, I would advise, as the first step, to raise your concerns on a new post on the talk page and hope that contributors who frequent the article will engage in discussion with you. If that doesn't work, please open up a request for comment to engage outside contributors;the Wikipedia community as a whole. Thanks, Zingarese talk · contribs 17:19, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I find it dubious at best that this user just happened to stumble across the Mark Dice article, given Mr. Dice's videos encouraging people to come here to pressure us. 331dot (talk) 18:19, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I've seen Mr. Dice's video personally. Although I don't really share his viewpoint on Wikipedia have massive biases overall, I still think they exist. I just wanted to bring up that the article should be properly reviewed by several editors and have more information regarding Mr. Dice. Wikipedia is based on neutrality after all. YouGottaChill (talk) 18:52, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Not really the place for this, this is more about seeking help. Not that I disagree (I even agreed with Mr Dice on one or two issues he had with the article), but its just not the right venue.Slatersteven (talk) 19:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Apologies. I'll try to refrain from bringing up stuff like this here. YouGottaChill (talk) 20:48, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@YouGottaChill: You can also list a WP:BLP issue on the WP:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Because I didn't know that wikilink by heart I found it on WP:Noticeboards, and that project page suggests to ask here in its abstract, because it's a completely hopeless case of TL;DR.

–84.46.53.245 (talk) 10:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! YouGottaChill (talk) 14:55, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Organization trying to make money out of Wikipedia

Dear Wikipedia,

For the third time in about a year, I have been solicited by a service who offers to create a Wikipedia page about myself against financial retribution. Are you aware that such predatory organizations are trying to make moneu on your back?

Here come the contact and message I received:

spam mail text

From: <redacted by User:RhinosF1>

"Dear Dr.Sacha Escamez,

Have you ever wondered of having a Wikipedia page for yourself or your company? We can help you get a Wikipedia page for yourself or your brand.

Usually Wikipedia only accepts pages on celebrities and famous companies, if you are looking to get one for your self, we can help you with that. Having a page for yourself in Wikipedia, brings you more credibility and makes you more famous.

We have been editing on Wikipedia for 7+ years and We've created tons of pages for companies, people, brands, products, and of course for academic purposes as well.

We own multiple accounts on Wikipedia with page curation and new page reviewer rights, so i can create and moderate pages with almost zero risk of another mod taking it down.

There are few wikipedia editors who are willing to create a page for money, and most of them are scared to offer this service directly, so they do it through their trusted sellers who markup the price to $1500 - $2500 per page.

Because you're buying directly from an experienced wikipedia editor and mod, you'll get your page a lot cheaper, faster and with more reliability.

Let me know if you are interested

Regards Patricia M. Carnes "

Sincerely

Sacha Escamez — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.239.72.182 (talk) 13:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Sadly, yes, such "services" are known to exist, considering how prestigious Wikipedia entrees are these days. Of course, most of it is nonsense, any page curator / reviewer creating such pages will likely be spotted before long and have their rights revoked and probably be blocked but unfortunately, there is scant we can do against such spam mails. Regards So Why 14:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to notify paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org of this as it might be within their jurisdiction. RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 16:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

What do you think of external links in the body?

Hi all, I read the WP:External links page thoroughly and yet I still cannot form a consensus as to whether or not the external links put in Suncoast Community High School#Academics are appropriate or not. Can somebody give me their opinion? — BladeRikWr 16:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

They should be removed, I see no reason for a "rare exception" to include ELs in the body here. MB 16:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for chiming in! I will remove them promptly. — BladeRikWr 16:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Company Template

I came a across a wiki page about a company that talks quite a bit about its progress. It's also been labeled as an page that "contains content like an advertisement". I'm not entirely sure how to properly edit the company page so that it doesn't look an advertisement while showing what it contains and what achievements it has made. Is there a template that I can adhere to or a guide (other than WP:PROMOTION)? YouGottaChill (talk) 17:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, YouGottaChill. If a reliable published source completely unconnected with the company has chosen to talk about an "achievement" of the company, then the Wikipedia article can summarise what the unconnected source said about it, preferably citing the source. (And note that anything based on a press release or interview with the company is not "completely unconnected"). If no source unconnected with the company has talked about the "achievement" then no mention of it belongs in the article. Period. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the company says, or wants to say, about itself, only what independent commentators have said about it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

This page might be of some help, especially in the section about structure. Tamanoeconomico (talk) 17:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

How to make an edit to Barbra Streisand (semi-protected)

Just wondering what to do about making a constructive edit to one part of the Barbra Streisand entry, which is a semi-protected entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbra_Streisand#Nightclub_shows_and_Broadway_stage

I propose a couple of sentences in the above section (2.2), probably a new third para along the following lines:

In early 1962 she went into the Columbia Records studio for the cast recording of I Can Get it for You Wholesale. Also that spring she participated in a twenty-fifth anniversary studio recording of Pins and Needles, the classic popular front musical originated in 1937 by the International Ladies’ Garment Workers’ Union. Reviews of both albums highlighted Streisand’s perfomances.

The source for this is a standard recent biography: William J. Mann, Hello Gorgeous: Becoming Barbra Streisand (Boston and New York: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2012), pp. 213-214, 245

Ami du peuple (talk) 17:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

You should make an edit request. ^{[Username Needed]} 17:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ami du peuple: Are you not autoconfirmed? You should be able to do it yourself. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:39, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

help submitting first article

Can someone help me with my first article? tried to follow all the rules and regs and use the correct procedure. Can someone take a look for me?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LandonCharles1 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Article in question is User:LandonCharles1/sandbox. Also, at end of comments here at Teahouse or Talk pages of articles or editors, sign your User name by typing four of ~. David notMD (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I've tidied up the section headings, removed bolding of text contrary to MOS:BOLD, & added a Reference section heading with {{reflist}} template. You ought to read WP:REFB, & particularly the part about refs used more than once. Also read WP:REFPUNC. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@LandonCharles1: Grr! I was just doing exactly the same thing for you as David Biddulph has, but he finished first, and so I've wasted my time! Not to worry. Anyway, I've just added a couple of flags to key sections that would definitely need citations for every personal statement, as they relate to a living person, and we need evidence for things like education, marriage, divorce and so on. If you can't cite it, just leave those bits out until later. Or add them and then remove the "unreferenced section" template I popped in just to flag up the bits to work up further. Apart from the issue of learning how to use one reference multiple times (by means of ref name=Jetset, for example) rather than repeating the citation again and again, I think you've not done at all badly with this. You should be pleased with yourself. I've not looked at 'notability', but suspect she'll meet it OK. There's no WP:COPYVIO although I don't really think you need to quote the aims of the Charity she supports - I think that goess off topic a bit too much. But it's not a big issue; others might disagree with me. When you've got a few more references in place and you're close to finishing it, just let us know and someone here can add a 'Submit' button for you and perhaps move it over into the 'Drafts' section, too. Meanwhile, you're free to work on it in your sandbox for as long as you wish. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Adding Texts of Famous Poem/Speeches

I was curious why pages regarding poems in the public domain or famous speeches cannot have the text of said poems or speeches. I added a few at one point, but they were all removed, and it seems strange for a Wikipedia page about a short famous work that's in the public domain to not appear in the page itself, especially with how often these pages come up in search results of people looking for the text. Or maybe there is some way to do this correctly so the text isn't removed? Thank you Zammitj1 (talk) 16:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Zammitj1:

Welcome to the Teahouse

It's great to read your post

I thought I'd try to answer it

as I'm a Teahouse host.

The problem is an article

on a poem or a speech

can only talk about it

- The text stays out of reach.

- Out of reach to readers

who log on day and night.

They might want to read the wording

but the darned thing's copyright

Even if it's published

and in the public domain

unless it's been properly licenced

there it must remain.

I'm sure they'd love to read it here

at least, that's what methinks

but all that we can offer them

are a few External Links.

Of course, this particular amazing poem has been published under a Creative Commons licence, so you're free to re-publish it wherever you wish! I hope this nevertheless answers your question. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Bravo from the IPs, I recently tested <poem>...</poem> on a dewiki talk page, it works like <pre>...</pre>. Reverted, the poem was not strictly on topic on this talk page.

–84.46.53.245 (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Major kudos for that answer. Zammitj1 (talk) 17:16, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Where poems and songs are in the public domain, Zammitj1, the preferred course is to upload them to Wikisource: they can be Wikilinked from there (or, even better, linked with the {{wikisource}} template). --ColinFine (talk) 17:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

adding two former residents of East Harlem who are performers

How do I add tow former residents of East Harlem who are performers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.139.7.10 (talk • contribs)

Hello IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. It would have helped if you had linked to the Wikipedia pages for the people you want to add as residents to the article on East Harlem. You may only add to the section on 'Notable people' if they already have an article about them here, and supply a citation (reference) if there's nothing in their articles stating they once lived there. The names of people who don't yet have pages should not be added to the article. To learn how to edit Wikipedia pages, may I refer you to the first five, very short sections at the top of the page called Wikipedia:FAQ/Editing? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Nemenhah page appears to be mostly PR

So this page here seems very off to me. Seems like a few users are trying very hard to keep certain newsworthy facts out of the public eye while disparaging attempts to fix the page as "bias." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doopwii123 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@Doopwii123: You can discuss it on the talk page, and if that ends up as "two editors disagree very widely" you can ask for a WP:3O third opinion: Minimal rough consensus is 2:1. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 00:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Help With Declined Article Due to Multiple Entires

Hello, I am trying to get an article posted that one of your editors declined due to multiple entires when I submitted it back in December. I have added the code to have my original entry so it would be deleted and I have re-published the page and submitted it for review.

Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Filthy_Apes_and_Lions_(Album) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carly.juneredford (talk • contribs) 22:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Not done @Carly.juneredford: You asked this question just 15 minutes earlier at AFC Helpdesk (see here). It is wasteful of time and resources to expect two different sets of volunteers to answer your same question. Please await an answer there. And please sign all your talk page posts with four tildes in future, (like this: ~~~~). Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

How do you make underlined Text on the editor?

Just how do you do that in the first place I’m not experienced with coding so yeah I’m out of luck can you help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frygarfan (talk • contribs) 23:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Frygarfan: Welcome to the Teahouse. Our Visual Editor has a tools menu where you can selected basic formatting - just like in any word procesor. But in source editor you type the letter 'u' between two chevron brackets, add the text to be underlined, then close it with '/u' between two more chevrons. like this: <u>text to be underlined</u>. It renders like this: text to be underlined. See also the page called Help:Cheatsheet for a few other useful tips, like how to sign your talk page posts, which I'd ask you to check out and remember to use in future posts. Do check our The Wikipedia Adventure for our interactive tour of how things work around here. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Frygarfan: Underlining should rarely be used in articles. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#How not to apply emphasis. If you mean links which become underlined when you hover the mouse over them then it happens automatically when you make a link. See Help:Link. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Election maps

Hello, I was intrested in formating File:Nigeria location map.svg for the article 2019 Nigerian general election, as was done for the previous election in the country (see here) which has its own map (see here). Any idea how to do this if it is possible? Thank you Inter&anthro (talk) 01:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Inter&anthro. Welcome to the Teahouse. Whilst there might be a better way, my approach would be to download the highest resolution version of the 2015 election map (shown), not File:Nigeria location map.svg. The latter contains too much spurious detail you would need to edit out. I would open the image in simple graphics-editing software capable of 'flooding' one selected area of colour and changing it to another. That seems likely to work OK as every blue and green area is surrounded by a white border which means you can flood each area one at a time. I would convert, say, all the green areas back to the same shade of blue (or whatever political colour is most dominant in 2019) and then, based upon a published list of election results, I would re-flood the relevant areas with a different colour to reflect the results of the minority party(s).

I would then reupload the image to Wiki Commons as my own work, but making it clear it is a 'derivative work' based upon the other image. Thus, the history of changes can be traced back. In addition (and because this is a personal gripe of mine) I would include in the image description a hyperlink or reference to the published election results. I personally don't feel that anywhere near enough effort is expended at Commons to ensure the accuracy of image content, or allow others to challenge it. We rightly fuss about the words and references we use on Wikipedia, but we let anyone create and upload almost any image containing data or named content without requiring it to be sourced or challenged for accuracy of content. This is a really serious weakness in my view. Anyway, I hope this suggestion helps. Let me know if you find a better way, although you could always seek assistance from the experts over at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Update: Yep - I've just tested this method for you using the 'flood' tool in MS Paint - the free graphics editor that comes with Microsoft Windows. It works perfectly, and is so quick to do. The only issue I foresee is if the election regions areas have altered since the earlier map was created. You'll have to check that for yourself, I'm afraid. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Minor objection, in theory "we" prefer SVG for cases like this. I looked at the source (ctrl-U in most browsers), there are various fill=none (irrelevant), some fill=#87beeb (blue?), and some fill=#00aa00 (greenish): Fixing that for a new SVG map in a text editor should be simple enough, toggle one fill color to, say, red, to figure out which provice it is. Then toggle it to, say, black or silver to tag it as done, and finally toggle all black to #00aa00 and all silver to #87beeb as it was on the old map, even notepad should be good enough for this exercise. Nothing against mspaint.exe and bitmaps, but SVGs have various advantages. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 12:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank for that steer, 84.46.53.245. I'd not seen that my 'svg' file had been saved as 'svg.png'. I suspect it might be hard to work through and change the correct units in svg format in a browser. (Though I could probably do it in MapInfo) I can find the hex colours in Chrome and IE, but can't see how to edit, toggle and then save them. Can you advise so that the OP can then try? Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so mcuh @Nick Moyes: for your advice, I've tried uploading it at File:Nigeria presidential election 2019 - blue and green.jpg. Inter&anthro (talk) 20:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome, Inter&anthro. It obviously doesn't have the quality of the original .svg file, but it should work OK. I think I would have been unable to retain it in the original format, too, as it seemed extremely complex to find and change the relevant elements without having the specialised software. The one thing I would ask is that you add the source of your information to the wikimedia file - I think that sets a good example for others to follow. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I added the source of the original file in the description, is it not showing up? Inter&anthro (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Works for me, but you can't have two mutually exclusive licenses on this file (public domain vs. CC-BY-SA.) Based on the source sticking to CC-BY-SA should be okay. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 00:13, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Armed with Chrome as browser, but it would be the same procedure with IE11 or Firefox: On c:File:Nigeria presidential election 2015 - blue and green.svg I clicked on the Original file link, if you don't see it disable the media viewer and reload the SVG. Your browser then displays this SVG as image. On the tab with the displayed SVG press [Ctrl]+[U] (mnemonic for Un-decode) to see the source (SVG is in essence plain text), or right click and pick "save as" (= download to a local file on your box with file extension SVG.) If your text editor refuses to open the SVG rename it to map.TXT, edit it, rename it back to map.SVG, etc. (your browser won't display map.TXT, but can handle map.SVG, unless it's syntactically broken.) CAVEAT: If your text editor splits extremely long lines you need a better text editor or an idea where inserted line breaks won't cause havoc for the SVG syntax. –84.46.53.245 (talk) 00:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)