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Could I please get some feedback on my in-process page?

Hi y'all!

Could I please get a review on my current (and only) draft? I am trying to add as many sources as possible, I will get there eventually but was curious about what was I doing wrong or right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MarthaDaisy/sandbox

Thank you,

Martha

Updating: I dared to publish it and promise to work on adding tons of sources this month until it looks perfect. Please be patient with me! Any feedback is really appreciated... :O — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarthaDaisy (talk • contribs) 03:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

MarthaDaisy (talk) 01:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, MarthaDaisy. I have moved your article to Draft:Alice Waddington because I do not believe that it is ready for publication and don't want it to be subject to deletion. There are a number of issues you need to deal with before the article is acceptable. First, parts of the article need to be reworded to be more neutral. Statements such as "Alice is a proactive demander for progressive social change regarding causes related to homeless LBTQR+ youth and especially transgender rights and HIV prevention for men and women worldwide" should not be made in Wikipedia's voice, and any such claims need to be backed up by references that are independent of Waddington herself. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability, all quotations (such as "I have a high interest in socially metaphorical horror and terror stories that have taken place, historically speaking. I desire to take part in any projects that empower minorities") must be supported by citations. There are also some stylistic problems, such as the fact that the article discusses events that happened in the past in the present tense (e.g. "At 18, she studies advertising in the UPV-EHU University"), when it should use the past tense. The section of the article about international awards has 65 sub-sections, which makes it very difficult to navigate. Each sub-section has a table - each one with one or two rows. These could be combined into a single awards table (see Wes Anderson#Awards and nominations for an example). You also need to remove external links from the article text, per WP:ELPOINTS. I will add a button that will allow you to submit the article for review once you have addressed these points. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:23, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Larry

I just spent all night working on this, was about to go to bed (10 AM here) and do not know how to do any of these things (expect the adding more references) and I am having a mini axiety attack as the page does need to be uploaded this week. I know she is about to enter a really important part of the process of production of her first feature, please help me. Wes' example for the tables would not work because he has been consistently nominated for years for the same award but we are talking about a filmmaker who is being nominated for the first time in her life to all these awards instead. Also the page is not a copy of any drafted article. It was correct in that sense.

Can you please help me with this, especially with the table? I cannot think of any other solutions for it and am so green using wikipedia.

Thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarthaDaisy (talk • contribs) 07:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello again MarthaDaisy. I'm sorry if this is inconvenient, but like I said, the article was likely to be subject to deletion if it wasn't moved into draft space. I'm not sure I understand your comment that "the page is not a copy of any drafted article" - I didn't suggest that it was. Some of the things should be easy to fix, such as the use of past tense. The non-neutral wording can be removed or rephrased. The external links should be replaced with plain text. Even if you don't want to follow my suggestion of combining the award nominations into a single table, then I would at least try to present them in a single section.

Given your comments about the urgency of this, and the fact that you've uploaded a copy of Waddington's signature, I wonder if you have a personal or professional relationship with her? If so, you should review the advice at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and follow the steps at WP:DISCLOSE. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, there is no deadline for the completion of articles, and fellow editors are unlikely to be sympathetic to arguments such as "the page needs to be uploaded this week". It will be accepted when it meets the relevant policies and guidelines, which it doesn't at present. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I now see that the draft template includes the text "The page Alice Waddington already exists. Please verify that it is not a copy of this submission and that this page does not need to be moved to a different title". That explains your comment, but this is just a reminder to reviewers and you don't need to take action. It's appearing because Alice Waddington exists as a redirect to the draft as a result of me moving the page. I've requested the deletion of the redirect. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:12, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Also, I have looked at Wes Anderson#Awards and nominations again, and I still think that format would work. All you need to do is combine the tables into one and add a column for the name of the award. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hi again: I am a fan of hers from spain but not representator o manager if you mean that? Her png signature was on her short film's press kit. But I did stay up to finish the article and felt upset when it not meet the guidelines, sorry if I did not come across as nice but I am extremely tired. Your idea for the table is really great and now I realize you genuinely wanted to help me and avoid my work from going to waste, sorry I have never used this before and probably sound like a fool... Can I please ask you to check if the table I am making now makes sense? Thank you very much. I read the conflict of interest thing but do not think it applies, it seems to be for friends or family or employees? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarthaDaisy (talk • contribs) 08:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

No problem, MarthaDaisy. We're used to helping tired and slightly panicked new editors here at the Teahouse. The combined table looks good - you just need to continue moving all of the festivals into it. I'm sorry that tables can be technically difficult at times. Thanks for clarifying that you are just a fan. That raises an issue about the photos you have used, though. For example, you have listed the author of File:Director Alice Waddington helps set up up a shot on the set of Disco Inferno.jpg as Andre Paduano and have released it under a Creative Commons licence that gives everyone the right to freely share or remix the image. Has Paduano consented to that? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hi: He has. I have left his contact details on each of the artists' removal petition cases in case you wanna check yourselves... Can I please recover the image template I had written for my draft at all? I personally found it so complex (especially the space design) and then with the Creative Commons flag all images got deleted from my draft, which was also a bit discouraging. Again I have tried to justify it the best I could. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarthaDaisy (talk • contribs) 09:28, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately the onus is on you to provide evidence that permission has been given, MarthaDaisy. I have left a message on your talk page over at Wikimedia Commons explaining how to do this. Don't worry too much about the images in the meantime - the article can be published without images and they can be added later if the permissions are verified. 09:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Is it okay to edit an article on wikepedia for a prank and then change it back later?

Dragonbrine221Dragonbrine221 (talk) 09:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

No it's not, Dragonbrine221. Such behaviour is considered vandalism, which you have been warned about on your talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:52, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Is it okay to create article related to blind cricket and deaf cricket stubs?

Abishe (talk) 06:06, 31 March 2017 (UTC)I have created articles related to blind cricket stubs such as South Africa national blind cricket team and England national blind cricket team recently, along with 2017 Blind T20 World Cup.I have also created an article relating to deaf cricket Sri Lanka national deaf cricket team.I don't know whether they is necessary for Wikipedia.I also apologise to every wikipedians if I had committed a huge mistake.Abishe (talk) 06:06, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello Abishe and welcome to the Teahouse. Both of these articles would really benefit from having independent references; at the moment they rely too much on self-published material. Wikipedia articles should be based on what other people have said about the subject, not what they say about themselves. So the best thing is to search for newspaper and magazine coverage that discuss the subjects in detail, then incorporate the information from those into the article (with references of course). Or you could add material from major television coverage, journals, etc - anything from a reliable, independent source would help. --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:03, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I did a quick search on Google News, and posted some suggestions at Talk:England national blind cricket team - they might give you a start. --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Abishe - some editors are confused about stubs - stubs are articles, not something different.
As stated at Wikipedia:Stub "A stub is an article that, although providing some useful information, is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, and that is capable of expansion."
So, please do not "create articles related to blind cricket and deaf cricket" as we already have these articles, and we don't want two articles on the same subject. Please expand the existing stub-articles so they "provide encyclopedic coverage", and the "stub" template can be removed. This avoids having to merge two articles and combine their edit histories. - Arjayay (talk) 11:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

It looks like Abishe created the stubs, Arjayay. I don't think they're planning on creating duplicates of them. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:06, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Add photo

How to insert a photo, that I took, on a Wikipedia page for a person who already has a Wikipedia page. The photo is that personLiGoCa (talk) 13:05, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, LiGoCa, and welcome to the Teahouse. Upload it on Wikimedia Commons. Then follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

How do I know if this is ready to publish?

Someone very kindly gave me some feedback on my article about not using facebook as a resource which I have implemented. Instead I have found plenty of external publications and used them instead. I'm not sure of the process on here regards publishing so would like to know what's next? Does anyone else want to review or shall I publish it? Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:1_in_Five LightsAndLines (talk) 12:08, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

EDIT: As if by magic (maybe one of you helped me out!) I got a notice saying I needed to submit it for review. Thanks all, I think I understand the next steps and I've now submitted it. LightsAndLines (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

If you take a look at the article history, LightsAndLines, you'll see that it was Theroadislong who added the submission template. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Excellent thank you, I can see that now. How do I respond to comments? I've been using the Edit Source button on the talk page - is that correct or should I be doing something else? LightsAndLines (talk) 14:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

information on kuldevi narela wali mansa devi

Hello Sir/Madam, Kindly update rather upload information on kuldevi of narela, mansa devi. My elder don't know exactly how and when to worship narele wali devi.

Kindly requesting you to upload the information, it would be of great help to all of us. 1seaprinces (talk) 12:56, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello @1seaprinces:, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not sure which article you are referring to (it's always best to name or link the specific article in question). Wikipedia is edited by volunteers, so anyone is welcome to improve these articles themselves. Please note, that all additions should be based on published reliable sources. Personal knowledge without sources is not sufficient to add such information. If you are unsure about an edit, you can also suggest and discuss changes at the article's talkpage (click "Talk" on the article's page to switch to its talkpage), that's usually the best place to work with other editors on a specific article. Hope that helps. GermanJoe (talk) 14:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Can I make a personal page?

Thank you for connecting with me.

I am a writer and would like to create a personal page. Is this possible?

Another topic is that I wanted to add my book at a page for transgender literature and It was removed 2 times.Why and is this correct.

EllaMarques (talk) 18:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

In general, no. You can say a brief amount about yourself on your own userpage (User:EllaMarques), but actual Wikipedia articles need to be sourced to independent, reliable sources that discuss the subject. That is, if a reputable publication has published an article about you, we can reflect what that article says, but we can't accept what you say about yourself. The same goes for adding yourself or your works to lists of authors or lists of publication; you need to demonstrate that you/your book is considered significant in the field by other people. This page explains in detail what Wikipedia means when it talks about "notability in Wikipedia terms". ‑ Iridescent 18:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

May I also suggest reading Wikipedia:Notability (books), EllaMarques? That page outlines the criteria that need to be met for Wikipedia to cover a book. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I understand

Regards

EllaMarques (talk) 18:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I want to learn to review Good Articles to help Wikipedia

I want to learn to review Good Articles to help Wikipedia, but I'm not very confident on the idea of this at the moment. What I would prefer is to have guidance from an editor who is experienced in assessing articles against GA criteria. Would it be possible to be able to get an experienced editor in reviewing Good Articles to help me, and if it is, where do I go to request this? Or do I need to familiarise myself with the GA criteria and then work by myself? ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I have a seperate account, and I have found that it is easiest to learn simply by doing. Try to start with some smaller edits, learn wikipedia and expand your horizons from there. If you would liketo practice some inconsequential things, try the sandbox I Am Chaos (talk) 17:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure that that answers ElectrodeandtheAnode's question, I Am Chaos. If you are operating more than one account, please review the policy on legitimate use of multiple accounts and ensure that you are not violating it. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

ElectrodeandtheAnode, you could perhaps ask for help from experienced GA reviewers at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

orphaned article

The article of "Josefina Howard" says its orphaned. I used the tool to find articles to tie in but I don`t know what to do from there. there is an article called "Corn Smut" that ties in but how do I do it? Ahoward524 (talk) 18:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ahoward524. The Corn smut article does indeed mention Josefina Howard, which is a good start. All you need to do to create the link is edit the relevant section of the article, to put square brackets around the words "Josefina Howard" - i.e. [[Josefina Howard]]. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Larry. Thanks for the info but in checking the "Corn Smut Article, there are double square brackets arround Josefin Howard Josefina Howard Ahoward524 (talk) 18:51, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Check Corn smut#Culinary uses again, Ahoward524. The text is "...prepared by Josefina Howard, chef at Rosa Mexicano restaurant". There are no square brackets there. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

well, maybe i´m looking in the wron place but in the edit mode of corn smut the brackets are there: huitlacoche dinner, prepared by Josefina Howard, chef at Rosa Mexicano restaurant. Ahoward524 (talk) 20:31, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

That's very strange, Ahoward524. When you're viewing the article in read mode, is Josefina Howard appearing as a link that you can click, or just as plain text? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I copied and pasted the whole phrase with brackets and all but they don`t show up here Ahoward524 (talk) 20:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I see that you have just added the link, Ahoward524. I'm still not sure how you could have been seeing brackets in the code before that but I suppose it doesn't matter now. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth, it's appearing as linked properly on my side. - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 20:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much Larry. It is now appearing as linked. i hit the save button even though it was greyed out but it worked. thanks for all your help Ahoward524 (talk) 20:52, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Great. Maybe you were stuck in preview mode, Ahoward524. Thanks to NsTaGaTr for removing the orphan tag from the Howard article. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

First article denied

Hi, I submitted an article about my great grandfather, Frank Ashley Wilmot, Sr. He was notable for creating the cold rolled steel process, and for creating a way for his and other steel manufacturers to survive the steel trust of Carnegie. Can someone help me get this article approved and posted? Thanks!!!Bukovcik01 (talk) 22:38, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. In the feedback which you have received, both in the messages on your user talk page and in the boxes at the top of the draft itself (Draft:Frank Ashley Wilmot, Sr.), the words in blue are wikilinks to the detailed advice which you need to read. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:19, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Bukovcik01. Your draft article has several significant problems. The most serious is the shortage of reliable sources and corresponding lack of inline references. Find a Grave is not considered a reliable source for establishing notability, so you really have just one source, a biographical directory published in 1910. It is difficult to evaluate the reliability of a single source that old. You need multiple sources and every substantive assertion in the article needs a source. Please read Referencing for beginners. Another problem is that the draft is not written in a neutral style. We never say something like "God-fearing, Christian people who brought him up to be strict in his moral standards" in Wikipedia's voice. Such opinions must be attributed to reliable sources. In addition, your draft article does not comply with our Mamual of Style and does not contain wikilinks. For example, we refer to people by their full name once at the beginning of an article, and use only their surname subsequently. In my opinion, your draft needs lots of work before it is submitted again. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:37, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Text but no photos or footnotes

Hi, I made changes to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene,_Oregon in the history section, but neither the photos nor the footnotes from my sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Silver_Water/sandbox transferred to the site.

It is unclear to me what I did wrong. Can someone please point me in the right direction.Silver Water (talk) 20:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Silver Water. It looks to me like you copied and pasted the displayed text from your sandbox. Instead, you should copy and paste the underlying wikicode, which contains the code necessary to display the images and references. Revert your edit and try that. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Also, Silver Water, you can use Wikilinks: [[insert page name here]] to link to a wikipedia page instead of external links. ----DashyGames (contribs) 01:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Creating an article for a music album

Hello, I am in the process of creating an article for the debut album of Satan (band), a band from the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement. They are a notable band within a notable movement. So far, for references, I have found AllMusic and IGN pages on the album that review it. Are there anymore references needed besides these two? Keep in mind I'm working on the article very slowly because I want to get it right the first time.Manytoomany (talk) 02:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Manytoomany. Please familiarize yourself with our notability guideline for albums. We require multiple sources to establish notability, and two is a plural number but the very smallest among them. Personally, I would not consider writing an article without citing at least three or ideally five or more independent, reliable sources. Your draft article, User:Manytoomany/sandbox, currently contains zero references to sources, although it alludes to two. I found the first but not the second, but I should not be expected to engage in a complex Google search to find your sources. It is very difficult for other editors to evaluate the quality of a draft article if you have not yet actually provided properly formatted references to reliable independent sources. Please read Referencing for beginners. References to reliable independent sources are the gold that allows acceptable articles to be written. Everything else is secondary summarization. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:25, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Black Sabbath is not a rock band?

In the top of the Black sabbath page it says that it is a rock band yet everywhere else it says it is a heavy metal band. Are you able to change it?

Thanks2407:7000:952C:6586:A516:9113:C7C0:124 (talk) 09:44, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi IP from Nelson, NZ - as the article states Black Sabbath were "formed as a blues rock band" so they were not heavy metal for their entire existence. As blues rock and heavy metal are both sub-genres of rock music, using the over-arching term "rock" seems appropriate for the first line - and this is then expanded in the article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:54, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Changing article title

How to correct any article's title or name ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman Prasada (talk • contribs) 10:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The process is decribed at WP:Moving a page. If, however, you are referring to a page such as Nilima Katiyar, you would need to provide sources to show that the common name of the subject is not that which is supported by the reference in the article. There can, of course, be confusion when a name is transliterated from another language. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:54, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

New wikipedia article Ntelabi Bukari

i created an article on wikipedia but in title the user:Title name occurred how to remove this user word and when wikipedia live the article means how many days wiki get to live an article ??Ntelabi Bukari (talk) 11:44, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

• Welcome to Wikipedia, Ntelabi Bukari. What you created was your own userpage, rather than a Wikipedia article ("mainspace page"). Wikipedia articles can be created using the article wizard.

However, you should definitely read Wikipedia:Autobiography beforehand. If you decide to create an article about yourself anyways, you absolutely need to demonstrate that you are "notable" (which in the Wikipedia's context means roughly "has been discussed at length by reliable independent sources" as opposed to "is worthy of notice"). The present references in User:Ntelabi_Bukari are blogs and the like, hence not reliable sources and likely not enough to demonstrate notability. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:33, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Why users deleted my article?

Yoshi22222myl (talk) 09:11, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey Yoshi22222myl. It looks like it was deleted under speedy deletion criteria A1, for lacking sufficient context to identify the subject. And with all respect for User:RickinBaltimore, if it was similar to World 8-4, that's probably not the best criteria to delete it under, since it is fairly evidently about the Super Mario Bros. series.

Unfortunately, while we appreciate your contributions, it looks like your article consists mostly of original research, and doesn't cite any sources for it's content. Content on Wikipedia needs to have sources to back them up, so that the content can be verified by readers.

You may want to check out our tutorial on writing your first article, or take our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure. TimothyJosephWood 12:39, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Hello Yoshi22222myl and welcome to Wikipedia. I think you should not edit the english Wikipedia, because you do not write English well enough. For instance this edit is incomprehensible. Sorry.

This being said... From what I can see, you created World 8-4 which has been tagged for speedy deletion, but not deleted yet. The speedy deletion tagging is probably incorrect, but the article should be deleted regardless: Wikipedia is not a video game guide. You cannot just create "your" article, it needs to follow the rules, and even then it is not "your" article, but Wikipedia's article, that can be edited by anybody. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Tigraan, I've added the english to the should not edit Wikipedia, as Yoshi22222myl can contribute to the Wikipedia in (insert the user's native language here), for more info, visit The list of Wikipedias. --DashyGames (contribs) 13:50, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

How to fix my articles that no one user can't change my created articles?

Yoshi22222myl (talk) 13:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@Yoshi22222my: It is not possible to protect yourself a page to prevent other editors from editing it. But deletion is another procedure than normal edition. Please make sure to read carefully what others have written to you at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Why_users_deleted_my_article.3F. Thanks, PaleoNeonate (talk) 14:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I am stuck. How should I proceed, I created draft but not able to move ahead

Hi Just created a draft with link can anyone help me if this is possible to complete this and let me what is reaming, what more should I add, I dont have much reference Santosh Singh Dagur 08:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santoshdagur (talk • contribs)

(edit conflict) Hello Santoshdagur, have you read Your first article yet? this article explains how to create and develop an article more than I ever could, also, your signature must include at least one link to either your user page, your talk page or your contributions (per WP:SIGN), you can do this easily by going to The preferences tab, in the signature section, you find a textbox, you can write your username there and unmark the "treat the above as wiki markup" box for an easy way to make a simple signature. --DashyGames (contribs) 14:06, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

The message appears the word that my articles can be deleted. How to fix it?

Yoshi22222myl (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Yoshi22222myl Please carefully read Why was my page deleted? and what users have written to you at WP:TH#Why_users_deleted_my_article?. --DashyGames (contribs) 14:11, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Please, check my new article

Dear Editors!

I mostly edit the Hungarian Wikipedia, but now I started one here. Please somebody review my article, and tells me what else I could do, what should I do to make it acceptable. Here is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bokorember/Attila_Meszlenyi This is a translation of this: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meszl%C3%A9nyi_Attila

Thank you for your help. Bokorember (talk) 18:18, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Bokorember. For future reference, you must provide copyright attribution when translating content, just as you must when copying between pages. Please see Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate. I have fixed this for you here. I haven't otherwise looked at the article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Bokorember (talk) 14:15, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I made a few small changes, some of which are from Wikipedia's manual of style. As for acceptance, my advice is to devote most of your effort to improving sources and references. Clear references to reliable sources should be the foundation of every article. Ideally, inline citations to reliable sources support every significant claim made in the article. When you say that Attila publishes only on the Internet, your source is a link to his online gallery. The source does not support the conclusion (see WP:NOR). In most cases, Wikipedia does not consider IMDb and Facebook to be reliable sources. It looks like there may be some reliable sources in the "Recommended literature" section (which I have renamed to "Further reading". Maybe some of them support claims made in the article? Using citation templates is a good habit. They format the citations for you so that they are easy for readers to understand and use. —Ringbang (talk) 15:23, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I believe that Ringbang meant to say that "In most cases, Wikipedia does not consider IMDb and Facebook to be reliable sources", Bokrember. At least that is what I would say. --ColinFine (talk) 21:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks; corrected. —Ringbang (talk) 23:41, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Bokorember (talk) 23:15, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Which Tea

PaleoNeonate (talk) 12:33, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey PaleoNeonate. If you click on the image and look at the file description you will find: Tea of different fermentation: From left to right: Green tea (Bancha from Japan), Yellow tea (Kekecha from China), Oolong tea (Kwai flower from China) and Black tea (Assam Sonipur Bio FOP from India). TimothyJosephWood 12:43, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for my poor-quality 1st humor PaleoNeonate (talk) 12:46, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not going to survive this day. I may as well log out now. TimothyJosephWood 12:50, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, PaleoNeonate, with all due respect to Timothyjosephwood, some editors just take it too seriously, you made my wikiday with this xD. --DashyGames (contribs) 14:24, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I took no issue at all with is answer. I actually thought it was humor too, or at least, hoped so. But having looked around, some people did seem to overdo their jokes; compounded with the number of people who have made some, it can probably be a difficult day for some who have to clean the mess (I will not put links, but a few keywords: afd, ani, new nicks, etc)... I put another "innocent" one on the science reference desk earlier. Have a nice day, PaleoNeonate (talk) 14:39, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: Earl Grey. Hot. — Gestrid (talk) 00:58, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Image placement and disputes

I'm trying to update my universitie's pageto leave 1 or 2 images to the left and one pnaorama image in the middle, silimar to U Illinois Urbana under 'campus'. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois_at_Urbana%E2%80%93Champaign).

My problem is a lot of random IPs are editing the placement of various images. Almost all images are changed back to being on the right side and are very small. They're citing the Maunual of style, yet I am following its guidelines on image size.

Is there a minimum size for pictures that wide and are centered to be displayed as a panorama? Does this warrant a dispute resolution? Thanks TheTrashMan (talk) 18:50, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TheTrashMan. General guidance can be found at WP:IMAGESIZE. Our standard way of displaying images is in thumb format at 220px though other ways of displaying images are available, if there is consensus for that. The key to achieving consensus is talk page discussion and it has been ten years since there has been any discussion by human editors at Talk:University of Wisconsin–La Cross. Make your case there, since other forms of dispute resolution depend on previous talk page discussion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:45, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Article

How to know the number of wikipedia the article appeared on?Adityavagarwal (talk) 14:31, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey Adityavagarwal. Do you mean the number of Wikipedia Articles that link to another article? If so, you click "What links here" in the sidebar on the left of the screen. TimothyJosephWood 14:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi. No, I mean the number of wikipedias with the same article. For example, the English wikipedia and the dutch wikipedia has an article "x", that count.Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

There is sometimes confusion as to whether the articles are on exactly the same subject, but you should get an idea by looking at how many languages are listed under "Languages" at the foot of the left-hand toolbar, or look at "Wikidata item" under "Tools" on that left-hand toolbar (subject to Wikidata's limitation to one-to-one mapping, which causes problems when the breadown of article scopes differs between different language Wikipedias). --David Biddulph (talk) 15:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the help :). Adityavagarwal (talk) 03:38, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Identifying biographical articles that lack authority control

Is there a listing somewhere of such articles? Or a way of submitting a query for them? Beyond that, since it's possible to include an authority control template for someone with no wikidata entry is it possible to find these using some kind of query? TIA! SewerCat (talk) 22:08, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, SewerCat. I'm not sure what you mean by an authority control. Do you mean when an article is protected from being edited? — Gestrid (talk) 02:55, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, Gestrid. If you look near the bottom of Dorothy Livesay, for example, you will see an 'Authority Control' entry that is produced by one of these templates. In this case there are no parameters to the template which implies that Dorothy Livesay is in wikidata. In face, she's Q1250325. I would like to know how to find biographical pages that lack these templates. In other words I want to work on wikipedia pages for people that don't have authority control templates. SewerCat (talk) 03:46, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Southern

I want to add three Southerners to the "Politicians and office holders" category under the Conservatism in the United States article. These three are John Taylor of Caroline, John Randolph of Roanoke, and Nathaniel Macon. Do I have any authorization for this ?Thanos54! (talk) 02:33, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thanos54. It cannot be possible to include every single notable conservative politician to that list in the article, since the list would be unmanageably long. The list must be limited to a reasonable number of people who have had a major formative influence on the development of the conservative movement. I notice that adding various people had been controversial in the past. My recommendation is to propose your additions on Talk:Conservatism in the United States in order to gain consensus from the other editors interested in that article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:01, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Experience

Hello thanks for the invite i would like to know how I got in to this, I haven't been on wiki for long? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noice Gary (talk • contribs) 03:46, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Gary Noice, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know exactly in what circumstances HostBot invites new people here, but I guess it was because you seem to be unclear how to use Wikipedia: you had an edit to an article undone, and you have been putting items on your User page which do not appear to be related to Wikipedia. I've put a welcome message, with a load of links, on your Talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 11:47, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I just got one as well. I was being accused of vandalism and IP hopping (this was before I registered) and posting things that are considered trivial...though it has since been implied that other person doesn't know anything about what I posted. I'm sure the person that's accusing me will follow me here as well. Go figure..Frank.chan1983 (talk) 16:12, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Frank.chan1983. You've tagged along on someone else's question, but at least part of what's being asked here is essentially "What does it mean that I've been invited to the Teahouse?"

I've seen the HostBot give out two different kinds of invitations. One is the rather generic one you and Noice Gary received. HostBot hands these out based on some algorithm I've not seen, to be sure, but it is not every new account. It has a different one that it sends to people who have had an article rejected from the AfC (WP:Articles for Creation) process. In both cases, the invitation is not any sort of rebuke. It's just an offer to come here and get your questions answered. There are other bots issuing invitations, such as the one that suggests you go through the WP:Wikipedia Adventure game. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:28, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm looking if i'm are not online, message appears my IP address can by blocked. How to fix it?

Yoshi22222myl (talk) 05:47, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking, but you seem to be under the impression that you could be blocked from editing. Looking at your contribution history, it appears you have a few things to learn about how Wikipedia works, but if you take the time to learn what Wikipedia editors are expected to do, you can become a valued contributor. Welcome to the Teahouse, Yoshi22222myl; we're here to help. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

If you always log on then you will not receive messages intended for possibly someone else using your IP address. Sorry you had to welcome yourself, someone else should have done so, but the welcome message has lots of guidance about using Wikipedia. I'm not clear whether you are trying to add content "about a subject that was invented/coined/discovered by the article's creator or someone they know personally" or whether the content is factual. It needs to have been written about in WP:Reliable sources before being included here, and needs references. Dbfirs 07:27, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Where do i start

Hello, Im new to wikipedia where do i start Kondavarsha (talk) 13:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Kondavarsha:, and welcome to the Teahouse. Any improvements for articles in your area of interest are appreciated - I have posted some general links with basic information on your user talkpage. If you plan to create a new article, WP:Your first article is a good start. But I'd suggest to start with smaller additions and corrections in existing articles first to gain some experience with Wikipedia's formatting and content guidelines. Some of these "rules" can be quite confusing for new editors (and sometimes for regular editors as well :) ). When adding content, please make sure to provide a reliable source for the information. WP:REFB has some guidance about how to format such references. Hope that helps. GermanJoe (talk) 14:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hey Kondavarsha. You may want to check out our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure. And since you appear to speak Portuguese, if you happen to do so at a fairly good level, you may want to check out Category:Articles needing translation from Portuguese Wikipedia, where there are about 800 articles for which the Portuguese version has content that can be translated into English and used here. Just make sure that when you translate over the content, you also include the original source too.

Feel free to ask follow up questions here or at my talk page if you need additional help. TimothyJosephWood 14:03, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood i dont speak portuguese i translated that article using google translate. Thanks a lot of you help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kondavarsha (talk • contribs) 14:06, 30 March 2017 (UTC) Kondavarsha (talk) 14:26, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey Kondavarsha. Just a heads up, it is generally not an acceptable practice to add substantial content to articles using machine translation, unless you can also find a source in a language you do read that can support the content. Machine translation can often make non-obvious mistakes that can take quite a long time for someone to come along and correct in an article.

However, machine translation can be a very useful tool for trying to find English sources. For example, if google translate tells me that someone was probably a member of the French Parliament in 1930, you can probably take their name and that added information and find a good source to back it up. TimothyJosephWood 14:32, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood Oh i didn't know about that. Thank You! Kondavarsha (talk) 11:12, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood Is it necessary to be trained to be a member of the CVU? Kondavarsha (talk) 11:55, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

external links in main body

Is there any template I can use for articles that have external links in the body?The garmine ^(talk) 13:52, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey The garmine. See Template:External links, which will add the article to Category:Wikipedia external links cleanup. But I would add that the category already has almost four thousand articles in it. So if you have the time, the better solution is to try to fix the problem if you can. It's not uncommon for articles to sit in a maintenance category for many years before someone gets to it. TimothyJosephWood 14:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Help me improve my first article?

Hi all;

I recently submitted my first Wikipedia page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Gordon_Stanton.

It was rejected, but then accepted. (Phew!). But it needs improvements. I'm a mathematician, not a writer, and I could use help to get it to the next level. I welcome any and all advice anyone has the time and inclination to give!

Edit: I found the page where the problems were listed - I did not achieve a neutral point of view and I heavily paraphrased from one article. I'm embarrassed if it seems I plagiarized - I wanted to make sure everything I included was factually accurate. I'm afraid that if I move too far away from the sources I found, I will worsen the point of view, so I'm unsure how to proceed.

MathsandStuff (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey MathsandStuff. The article actually looks pretty damned good for your first submission, and contrats on getting it published. I would probably note that good article isn't always synonymous with long article, and many articles are simply better shorter, especially in cases where there are pretty clear limits on the amount of information that's available, rather than being filled with lots of fluff that doesn't really add much other than word count.

The full guidance on close paraphrasing it at Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing, in case you haven't been linked to it, but the overall idea is that information itself isn't usually covered by copyright. Rather, what is covered is the original presentation of that information. So the presentation on Wikipedia has to be a significant enough original presentation on your part as an editor, that you can legally release it for public use under our Creative Commons license. If you're in a situation where there will be significant loss of context or vital information, or when in doubt, it's usually better to use direct quotes, although those quotes have be sufficiently short to themselves not be copyright violations.

Since this seems to be your area of interest, I would also encourage you to consider getting involved over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics, where there's no shortage of work to be done and a pretty active community to do it. It may also be helpful to check out our pretty comprehensive guidance at Wikipedia:Writing better articles. TimothyJosephWood 15:49, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Search engines cannot find page "Albert Fredrick Ottomar Germann"

I created the page "Albert Fredrick Ottomar Germann." Several links on other pages open "Albert Fredrick Ottomar Germann," but Firefox, Google and Yahoo fail to find the page itself. Searches on those engines find pages that link to "Albert Fredrick Ottomar Germann" but not to the main page. George Fleck (talk) 15:30, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

This is probably because the article has not yet been reviewed, and therefore carries a tag warning Google and other search engines not yet to index it. By the way - the first five of the article's six references are to works written by the article's subject. It therefore does not cite enough independent references to establish that its subject is notable. Maproom (talk) 15:57, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Personal attacks

A user made some edits that I reverted solely because the edits seem to violated WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. I informed the user. And then he accused me of bigotry over something I posted over a month ago, now in Talk:New York dialect/Archive 4. During the archive discussion, I misreported the fronted /oʊ/ as being highly stigmatized, and I was asked where I got such a notion. So, this was what the user called me out for.

It may be original research that the fronted /oʊ/ is highly stigmatized. When I hear the fronted /oʊ/, I find the sound to be rather annoying. The sound sounds to be drawn out, like a drawl, and drawls can be perceived as annoying. (The Southern drawl for instance is highly stigmatized).

Did I violate a Wikipedia policy in this? I need to know.LakeKayak (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, LakeKayak. I'm not clear from what you said who was arguing which way. But the answer is that 'no evaluative language (such as "stigmatized") should ever occur in Wikipedia's voice. Only if a cited reliable source says that it it is stigmatized (not necessarily using that word, of course), should the article say so. --ColinFine (talk) 22:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

For one problem, this occurred on a talk page, and it never was going to be instated the article. However, I am a little confused with why the word "stigmatized" should not be used in an article. "Stigmatized" refers to social attitudes. Therefore, we would only be stating what the social attitudes are to a certain phonological feature, but not calling them Gospel.

For clarity's sake, this may be easier to follow. (I still will not use names.) User A accused me of bigotry because of a comment that I listed from a previous discussion I had with Users(plural) B. In the discussion with Users B, I posted the listed comment to correct myself from something I had said. Is this comment considered a personal attack?LakeKayak (talk) 23:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

It depends on who is doing the considering; these things are often subjective. I'd advise you to let it go, and to avoid interacting with User A in future, if possible. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 18:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Rivertorch. And I still thank you nonetheless ColinFine nonetheless for your input.LakeKayak (talk) 23:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rivertorch: I'm that person he is referring too. He spoke outside of a citation. To quote him here on a talk page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:New_York_dialect/Archive_4 "It may be original research that the fronted /oʊ/ is highly stigmatized. When I hear the fronted /oʊ/, I find the sound to be rather annoying. The sound sounds to be drawn out, like a drawl, and drawls can be perceived as annoying. (The Southern drawl for instance is highly stigmatized)" he used the term annoying himself, then went on to say the southern accent was highly stigmatized. That is why I called him prejudice. There are many that view it as prejudice to talk down on others that speak a certain way. There are still unfortunately people that will look at things like loan worth, custody arrangement, employement, someones gulit/etc by the way someone simply speaks. That's why I was offended by his comment. That he edits accent related wikipedia pages and engaged in this name calling "annoying" worried me. Barzul25 (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2017 (UTC) Barzul25 (talk) 12:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

If you want to discuss the nuances of the words "stigmatize" and "prejudice", feel free to drop me a note on my talk page. I wouldn't mind. Otherwise, I'll make the same suggestion to you that I did to LakeKayak: just let it go, and try to avoid the other user. You both are really new here, and you got off on the wrong foot. That inevitably happens sometimes. What's important is that you don't let it sour your perspective or interfere with your development as a contributor. We have millions of articles to edit, so there's no reason why it should. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 14:49, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I already have let it go.LakeKayak (talk) 16:43, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Citations within templates

Hi (again). How do you add a reference inside the infobox videogame template? AWearerOfScarves (talk) 16:53, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry if that sounded a bit... blunt?AWearerOfScarves (talk) 16:55, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey AWearerOfScarves. You add refs to inboxes just like everything else, right in the parameter. For example:


{{Infobox video game
| developer = Really Awesome Games<ref>{{cite web|title=This really awesome game we made|url=https://www.realyawesomegames.com/thisreallyawesomegame|website=Really Awesome Games|accessdate=2 April 2017}}</ref>
}}


Hope this helps. TimothyJosephWood 17:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!AWearerOfScarves (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Manual of Style: Bold text

I'm pretty sure I need to make a few changes, but please let me know if I'm wrong. I've been inserting the name Bogus Legislature in a few articles, in bold script like I have it here, but should I be using <em>...</em> or ''...'' instead, to make it in italics? The only article where I think it should stay bold is at Kansas Legislature, where I've created a redirect to it from a blank page on the subject. Am I right? RM2KX (talk) 11:40, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, RM2KX, and welcome to the Teahouse. It should definitely not be in bold in any other article (except for Kansas Legislature) because of the way bold is used on Wikipedia. There is a difference between <em>...</em> and ''...'' tags: em is for emphasis ("This house is very big."), while ''...'' tags are for all other kinds of italics ("I read The New York Times every morning.") For Bogus Legislature, I see no reason to use either. It's a proper name, and proper capitalization is enough to signal that. It's not the kind of proper name that requires italics or quotemarks per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#Names_and_titles or MOS:QUOTETITLE. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:32, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! RM2KX (talk) 17:21, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Question about Super Mario Bros. and Mario Wiki

About Super Mario Bros. series user Mario jc blocked in Mario Wiki me and my edited articles such as Ground, and I can't contact Mario jc. How to contact that user? Yoshi22222myl (talk) 16:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC) ==i m know about teahouse. Really by not me. MARIOFANFULL878 (talk) 16:12, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Yoshi22222myl:, and welcome to the Teahouse. Volunteers here can only help with questions directly related to the English Wikipedia project for an online encyclopedia. Other "Wiki" sites are completely unrelated to this one, and generally have their own administrators and/or help desks. Improvements and new content for the English Wikipedia are appreciated, but please make sure to read some of Wikipedia's content guidelines first (i.e. articles need independent reliable sources (WP:V) and should cover "notable" encyclopedic topics (see WP:GNG)). Hope that helps. I have edited your header a bit to improve the section's formatting. GermanJoe (talk) 17:09, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Please also read the advice from other editors in previous threads (further down on this Teahouse page) and on your user talkpage. Thank you. GermanJoe (talk) 17:24, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Why get a "Please stop making disruptive edits"

I have a friend that has been adding to and correcting entries for

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tunnels_in_the_United_States

from IP address: 198.72.216.163 But recently got a message that they were being disruptive and would be denied access to Wikipedia unless they stopped. They were not told why they were being disruptive, but were afraid of losing access so they stopped making any changes.

Can you please tell me (so I can tell them) what the complaint is really about? BriarFox (talk) 07:41, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

The only thing I can see that's problematic is adding tunnels that lack either an article or a source. If there is no article about a tunnel, then the entry on the list needs a source to verify that it is a real tunnel. I wouldn't say that's disruptive

@Justmeonhere: IP editors are people too. Try talking instead of just throwing templates around. Ian.thomson (talk) 08:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse. One obvious piece of advice for your IP friend is to use an informative edit summary to explain each change. Without an explanation it is easy for another editor to assume (perhaps wrongly) that the edit is disruptive. Your friend can of course discuss the problem with the other editor, either on the IP's user talk page where the warning was placed, or on the other editor's user talk page, or on the article talk page, but a clear edit summary would be the best starting point. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:09, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

1) Thank you for responding and helping.

2) I don't understand the comment

   "Try talking instead of just throwing templates around"

I didn't intentionally throw a template. How should I have asked the question? BriarFox (talk) 08:27, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

That portion was addressed to Justmeonhere, the user who left the message on the IP's talk page, hence the ping bit before. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

BriarFox, can you pass on to your IP friend that it's important to familiarise themselves with the requirements of Wikipedia:Verifiability (and to consult Help:Referencing for beginners if they need to)? Meanwhile, Justmeonhere, can you provide a bit more detail or be more precise about your reasons for reverting in future? It's not really clear that the IP editor's edits were disruptive in the sense outlined at Wikipedia:Disruptive editing here. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:28, 2 April 2017 (UTC)