User talk:Barzul25

March 2017

Hello. Your edits on the pages American English and Mid-Atlantic American English are not very helpful. I reverted the edits on the page American English only for you to reinstate it. This is the definition of an edit war. If you feel the information is inaccurate, please discuss this on the talk page before reinstating the edit again.LakeKayak (talk) 19:10, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it seems like your edits were based off WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. Such edits are considered inappropriate. Therefore, if further edits continue, you could be potentially banned from editing.LakeKayak (talk) 19:17, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, actually I think that applies to you, @LakeKayak: I don't see what's wrong with just saying "front" Just like how many other wiki article pages say back. But you seem to be prejudice against people that speak "fronted" which is why you like to include the word extreme. As you can see here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:New_York_dialect/Archive_4 , you specially stated "It may be original research that the fronted /oʊ/ is highly stigmatized. When I hear the fronted /oʊ/, I find the sound to be rather annoying. The sound sounds to be drawn out, like a drawl, and drawls can be perceived as annoying. (The Southern drawl for instance is highly stigmatized).LakeKayak (talk) 15:13, 11 February 2017 (UTC)" Considering you proudly procaim such bigotry towards the way someone speak (being myslef that speak this way) I wonder if you should be editing accent related stuff, perioud, You've already showed your colors that you are bigoted towards the way cetain people speak.

That's prejudice and bigtory directed at the way people speak, which is probably why you like to include the words 'extreme" Barzul25 (talk) 20:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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March 2017(2)

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please do attack other users like what you did to LakeKayak. This is unacceptable behavior. Admins are already notified about your behavior. Please stop or else you will be blocked. This is your owning warning and think about it. It'sIEXISTTOHELP talk 00:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@IExistToHelp: I was attacking his viewpoint that the certain way people speak is annoying. I provided proof of this. His viewpoint was a personal attack on the way people speak. I won't engage in this type of behavior again. I overreacted and stepped out of bounds, because in real life I've been stigmatized for this. I don't appreciate a Wikipedia editors behavior that in engages in callingt he ceratin way people speak to be annoying and backs it being stigmatized. But I think it should be looked at in both ways if I get a warning. I think he personally attacked people in his comment that I quoted from above. Barzul25 (talk) 05:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I did not initially instate the word "strong" on the table in American English. The word "strong" was present on the page for as long as I can remember.LakeKayak (talk) 19:55, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From looking at the history, the word "extreme" was initially instated in July 2016. It was then replaced with the word "strong" in August.LakeKayak (talk) 20:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You said the way a person talks is annoying, and said that is was highly stigmatized. that is a personal attack on the way people speak. Barzul25 (talk) 04:05, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not relevant to this edit. My only point is that you fail to make a strong argument for that I violated WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT initially instating "strong" on either the page Mid-Atlantic American English or American English. And I initially instated it on neither. Some pages will say "strong fronting" and others will say only "fronting". However, to change the wording on any page solely because you don't like it is not accordance with Wikipedia's policies.

Furthermore, Wikipedia is not censored. Therefore, even an attempt to censor wording is not accordance with Wikipedia's policies. As for calling a phonological feature highly stigmatized, some features are stigmatized, and on Wikipedia articles, social attitudes are mentioned. Therefore, while I may have misspoke about the fronted /oʊ/, you are not justified to say that I made a personal attack for saying that a feature is highly stigmatized.LakeKayak (talk) 19:31, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

When you say the way a people speak is annoying, that is and personal attack on the way people speak. See here for example: http://dialectblog.com/2014/10/28/accent-prejudice/ Barzul25 (talk) 07:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please stick to the issue. That was over a month ago. Also, what on earth does "dialectblog.com" have to do with Wikipedia policy?LakeKayak (talk) 16:58, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

April 2017

Hello. Your recent edit on the page American English is still unacceptable because it violates the policy WP:AVOIDEDITWAR. As for whether or not /oʊ/, /aʊ/, and /uː/ undergo strong fronting, the ANAE uses the word "strong" on page 145 of this version. (It turns out to be a draft so the numbers may be a little off from the published version.) If you feel that the word "strong" shouldn't be used, then please discuss the issue on the Talk:American English.

On the ANAE website it uses the word just fronting when you listen to voice samples. This should be enough. Barzul25 (talk) 21:50, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't feel the word "strong" should be used, you actually need evidence that moderate or weak fronting occurs.LakeKayak (talk) 23:35, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On the official ANAE website as listed here http://www.atlas.mouton-content.com/secure/generalmodules/anae/samples/west/kadams/start.html when you hit play, it states this:

Dan, man, bad, that (raising and fronting of short-a words) go (fronting of /ow/) do, two, too (fronting of /uw/ after coronal consonants) said (raising, fronting, lowering or backing of /e/) cot, caught (merger of /o/ ~ /oh/) house, now (fronting of /aw/ or Canadian raising of house) say (lowering and centralization of /ey/ or tensing and fronting) pin, pen (merger of /i/ and /e/ before nasal consonants) up (fronting or backing of //)

In most work I've read, even outside of ANAE, it includes "fronting" and "backing" when discussing this. Barzul25 (talk) 10:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The real problem is that the word "strong" is used in the ANAE in the aforementioned section. Anyway, I did happen to see your section "My recent edit" in the edit history of Talk:American English. This approach is probably the best way to resolve this issue.LakeKayak (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]