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Another question about the 1927 census

Hi everybody.

The census is divided into a content's tree with 4 categories and 39 full or double folded tablets. The census also counts animals, land under plantations, crops like orange etc.

I wonder how to proceed: Can I make the content tree straight away and later provide the content of the different categories to give an idea of the volume of the census. Or is the right thing to do to create the contents tree as I go along? The truth. The whole truth. (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for posting. Which census are you talking about? Canada? UK? And I don't know what you mean by "content tree." If you have asked a similar question about this subject before, could you post a link here? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Never mind. I found it here. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
It looks like you are relying on the census as a source about itself. No, you can't do that. Have WP:Reliable sources written about this census? If so, what are they? Can you name any? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
If, as you wrote elsewhere. "This important and authoritative census appears unknown," well, it is not suitable for Wikipedia because nobody else has written about it. In other words, it is not WP:Notable. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi GeorgLouis

I better first apologize for the length of this answer. I can certainly understand your caution about this census since this is one of the most sensitive questions - the demographics of Palestine.

First let me mention the pedigree of the census:

The census was commissioned by the 'Department of Agricultural Colonization' Carried out and tabulated by the 'Palestine Zionist Executive' It had an advisory board of 15 members: Representatives from the 'Agricultural Experiment Station, 'Agricultural Board', 'The Jewish Farmers' Association' etc etc. Compiled by David Gurevich, Fellow Royal Statistical Society. (Author of the book: David Gurevich; Aron Gertz: The Jewish population of Palestine, immigration and demographic structure.)

Of course the census has been mentioned but it's not known in the public forum and that was kind of I meant when I wrote that it was 'Unknown'. I am a bit surprises that it has been quoted from more than I thought. If it's not mentioned in Wikipedia it doesn't exist. It's mentioned in a handful of books but the census itself has (to my knowledge) not been publish.

There was an article in the "Global Jewish News Source" (1928)"

Census of Jewish Agricultural Population in Palestine is Completed

Four thousand six hundred and twenty-eight persons are now living in 41 seltlements in Palestine subventioned by the Keren Hayesod, according to the latest figures given out by the Department of Agrieultural Colonization of the Palestine Zionist Executive. Sixty-five per cent of this population are workers, and the remainder children. (Spelling mistake is from the article)

http://www.jta.org/1927/05/16/archive/census-of-jewish-agricultural-population-in-palestine-is-completed#ixzz3EVjkGrgi

David Gurevich who was responsible for the census was commissioned by the Palestine Zionist Executive to compile various censuses:

  • Jewish agricultural settlement in Palestine: General survey and statistical abstracts. January 1, 1938. by David Gurevich (Author)
  • The Jewish population of Palestine: Immigration, demographic structure and natural growth. January 1941 by David Gurevich
  • Report and general abstracts of the census of Jewish agriculture: Taken in April 1927 (Statistical bulletin) by David Gurevich (1928)
  • Report and general abstracts of the census of labour taken in 1930 by the Departments of Statistics of the Jewish... by David Gurevich (1930)
  • http://www.amazon.com/David-Gurevich/e/B00JUQG658/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1

Jaffa family Library: The Jewish Population of Palestine, 1944. Pamphlet written by David Gurevich and Aaron Gertz describing the Jewish population of Palestine including the immigration and demographic structure.

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Reference 18.

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Page 7 & 8

The census was partly written in Hebrew so it would also be found in Israel.

These censuses was published in Palestine & Near East Economic Magazine (This was not a Zionist magazine but a magazine written by Zionists (A tiny but important difference)

I think there is a lot of very important material here to further the understanding of the Jewish settlers in Palestine in the early 20s which should be available to a wider audience. (In the settlement in Plain of Sharon, they counted 28883 old chicken and 34337 young chicken - just to give a idea about the extend of the census.

I hope it has put to rest any doubt about its importance and it deserved to be posted on Wikipedia, otherwise please get back to me.(Scans are of course available for verifications)

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The truth. The whole truth. (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

How fix infobox error? Infobox--Christian leader

For infobox Christian leader / type = bishop Noticed that 'alma_mater' (in 'Personal details' section) is showing as a wiki-link. There are no [[ ]] around alma_mater, so I don't know where this linkage is coming from? and don't know how to correct?

Example articles: Augustine_Francis_Schinner Joseph_Maria_Koudelka Peter_F._Christensen --- Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 00:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, JoeHebda, and welcome to the Teahouse. That is working properly - the template is set up that way on purpose. It is the same as other templates such as Template:Infobox Jewish leader. If I were to guess, I expect it was probably done that way because the term "alma mater" is not used universally, so an explanation of the term is helpful. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks...I understand, not broken, just different. :-) JoeHebda (talk) 11:41, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Picture

How do I insert a picture into the infobox? I tried URLs but it didn't work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Promise Omiponle (talk • contribs) 16:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Promise Omiponle and welcome to The Teahouse. I moved your question to the top of the page for better visibility. You upload the picture to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Which one depends on whether the photo is public domain, or you have copyright (usually, this means you took the photo yourself and are willing to give up all rights to make money from it or control its use), or whether you can get permission from the copyright holder. If you can't do any of those you can't upload to Commons and the photo must meet fair use requirements. The name you use when you upload is inserted in the proper space in the infobox.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Article approve Success Rate?

Hi guys,

I have submitted an article for review, my first, just yesterday. And I think it will take around 3-5 weeks to get it approved/rejected. What is the approval ratio? is there any?

Thanks.

Pm.eintelligence (talk) 10:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Pm.eintelligence, welcome to the Teahouse. I would very tentatively estimate that the approval ratio on first review is about 10% or even less. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
@Pm.eintelligence: Concurring with Arthur, this does not mean you cannot have a 100% success rate – if you pick topics that are notable and cite to reliable, secondary sources upon a neutral write-up of the topic, free of peacock wording. Unfortunately, the current article reads as promotional to me, and I see little in the way of reliable, secondary sources cited, which in turn means that if I had to give you a success rate on the this specific draft, in its current state, I'd place it at near 0%. You can fix this, if such sources exist. On the other hand, if those sources do not exist, we cannot have an article on this topic because no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
@Fuhghettaboutit

Thanks for your feedback. Can you please help me by listing a few points from this article which I can fix? I need this to get approved.

Thanks.

Pm.eintelligence (talk) 07:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

There are a couple of obvious problems. Don't say "& much more" in the infobox. The trademark symbol is not allowed in articles. External links do not go in the text; that means this type of link. There are no sources listed for the company history. Don't say "bestowed" when describing an award. It would be great if more general information about the company could be found in newspapers, magazines, etc.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Where can I get Taiwanese Package 2.10?

I was using Taiwanese Package 2.10 for several years using English keyboard to generate Peh-oe-ji (POJ). All of a sudden the software in my computer disappeared. Tried to download the same Taiwanese Package 2.10 from the web site and the page on the web has been removed. Does anyone know where I can get this software again? Really appreciate it if anyone can help.

Robert Wu

Anaheim, California 108.254.214.159 (talk) 05:22, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Robert. Relax. Have a cup of tea. You may be in the wrong place. We talk about how to use Wikipedia and how to edit it. What is this "Taiwanese Package 2"? Explain a bit more and maybe one of us can point you in the right direction. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Robert. This sounds like a question for the computing reference desk. But the page http://taigi.fhl.net/TP/ seems to have a 'download' link on it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Colin,

I went to the same link which you showed to me and click the link to download the Taiwanese Package 2.10 and it indicated that the web page is not available and it could be removed already. That is the reason I tried to ask anyone can help locating it. This Taiwanese Package 2.10 was developed by Lau Kiat-Gak and I used that to generate Peh-oe-ji (POJ) from the regular laptop keyboard.

Robert108.254.214.159 (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

How to make a wiki page go live?

I have created a page to represent my Team on Wikipedia. The page is ready to go live, but I can't find a way to do so. Please help me out in this regard at the earliest. Thank you!Team.kshatriya vit (talk) 18:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Team.kshatriya vit, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but your article in its present form has no chance whatever of being accepted into Wikipedia, and I expect it will soon be deleted, for several reasons:
  1. It appears to be a copyright violation. This is not permitted.
  2. It contains no specific inline references to published reliable sources
  3. Because it cites no sources, it does not establish that the team is notable (in the special Wikipedia sense): Wikipedia does not have articles on everything that exists, we require that reliable independent sources, such as major newspapers, have written at length about the subject.
  4. Some of the content appears to be promotional.
In addition, you have a conflict of interest in writing about your own team, so you are strongly discouraged from doing so, because it is likely that you will find it difficult to write in an appropriately neutral manner. Also, your username does not comply with Wikipedia's rules, as usernames may not suggest that they represent an organisation.
My advice to you (after creating yourself a new account which does not imply you are editing for an organisation) is to find several solid reliable sources, unconnected with the team, which have written at length about the team (not just listing, directories, or press releases. If you can find them, submit a request at WP:requested articles, with references to the sources, to ask somebody else to write the article. Alternatively, if you still want to try writing the article yourself, I advise you to read your first article carefully, then declare your conflict of interest, and use the article wizard to guide you in creating the article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Making A Portal

I have just been working on a portal called Portal:Scottish Wildlife. I do not know how to add the featured article, the featured picture and all other stuff related to the portal. What codes and templates must I use?Scottishwildcat12 (talk) 08:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I think you should create the subpages (e.g. Portal:Scottish Wildlife/Selected article/3) in order to add articles to this portal. You would then add articles to the subpages using templates like Portal:Scottish Wildlife/Selected article. Jinkinson talk to me 22:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Album artwork of band on public Facebook, what do I need to upload?

Hey all,

Would love to upload album artwork for a band, but the understandably strict upload guidelines have me confused. If they have their album selling, images of it on Facebook and on merch/label sites, is that decidedly for public domain use? Or do I need to get a written statement from the band/label allowing me to use their artwork on Wikipedia?

Thanks! ProperCthulhu (talk) 21:19, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, ProperCthulhu, welcome to the Teahouse. No, having artwork publicly available most certainly does not make it public domain or free to use without permission. Keep in mind, though, that the English Wikipedia allows images like album art to be used under "fair use," provided that they meet the requirements.
If you think they would be willing to grant permission, however, there is a process they can follow: They can send an e-mail to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org with a standard e-mail form available here. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 21:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
ProperCthulhu Also, there are some special cases where if the article you are editing is about the album you may be able to use copyrighted art work without a release. It's still complicated, you have to answer a bunch of questions but if you want to try that, here is a place to start: Wikipedia:Upload/Non-free_album_cover --MadScientistX11 (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
MadScientistX11 Hey, I used your link to do it, let me know if this looks applicable and worthy of the non-free use on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Affiance_Blackout_Cover.jpg, as they have another album needing a cover. Thanks! ProperCthulhu (talk) 22:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
ProperCthulhu I thought that link might be useful but my knowledge of the copyright policies is very limited. I just remembered using that upload page once to load art work for an album I was editing but that is the only time I've ever used an image not in the Commons so I don't feel qualified to comment on if your picture is applicable. (Cool artwork though) Hopefully a more experienced editor can take a quick look and let you know but if you can follow the questions on that form, answer them truthfully and get to a point where it says "Ok you can use it" you should be OK. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 23:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
@ProperCthulhu: @MadScientistX11: Looks good to me! I've marked the image as having appropriate rationale. Nice work. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
@SuperHamster: Thanks! I've also added Affiance_No_Secrets_Revealed.jpg for their first album, using the same system, hope it's all good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperCthulhu (talk • contribs) 23:57, 27 September 2014‎ (UTC)
@ProperCthulhu: Just checked it out - you forgot the licensing information, but I've gone ahead and added it :) I also forgot to check for this the first time around, but part of the fair use requirements is that we use low-resolution versions of fair use files. Ideally we try to keep fair use images at no larger than 100,000 pixels2. For album cover art, the ideal size is no more than 300 x 300 pixels. I've gone ahead and tagged both albums as needing to be reduced in size; a bot will come around in the next day or so and will automatically resize them, so no need to do it manually. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
@SuperHamster: Awesome, thanks so much! What was the licensing info I forgot? And cool, 300x300, I'll remember that in the future, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperCthulhu (talk • contribs) 00:27, 28 September 2014‎ (UTC)
It was the non-free album cover license template - see my edit. And remember to sign your replies :) ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Review process

Hey everyone. I tried to make a page and had it declined. I fixed everything that I was given feedback on by the reviewer, and re-submitted this week. Would really appreciate it if anyone could provide informal feedback in the interim, as these reviews take awhile. I can send you my coding. Thanks so much PeterJohnson22 (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello PeterJohnson22 and welcome to the teahouse. I have read your proposed article. I think it has potential and could be edited so that it would be acceptable to the reviewers. I am unfamiliar with how this article can be accessed and yet not be in user space. A more experienced editor can probably explain this better but I did notice that the references that you provided for this article seem to be from sources affiliated with the company. Do you happen to be affiliated with the company? Also I am not a business person and so I am unfamiliar with most of the terms used in this article. Perhaps explaining some of the terms would make it more readable. Please be encouraged, I think your article can be saved with some work.  Bfpage |leave a message  01:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Need help editing article on Done P. Dabale

Habari ( hello) everyone,

I need help editing my first article on Done P. Dabale. Despite linking my piece with references, I still get message at the top of my write up stating that it is an orphan with no citation. PLEASE HELPThinkalways (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Please read WP:REFB and WP:CITE. You have inline links, not references. These need to be removed. Fiddle Faddle 13:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Has Mr. Dabale been mentioned in any WP:Reliable sources, like newspapers, magazines, radio programs or television? He seems to be WP:Notable, so you should be able to find some mention of him somewhere. If you can't, then by Wikipedia standards he cannot have an article. I'm sure you will be able to work this out satisfactorily, though. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
You might find different sources here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Done%20Peter%20Dabale&d=1. GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Welcome to the teahouse. It looks like your orphan tag has been removed. I hope that is good news for you.  Bfpage |leave a message  01:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

protection for page

Hi,

Im a little confused on how to request protection for a page and what reasons are acceptable. Thanks

Kazmia92 (talk) 07:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

The most important reason for page protection is to prevent vandalism. The vandalism has to be repeated and recent. There is an obvious thought that occurs to me. If one needs to protect a page then one knows, generally, why, and can frame the rationale at WP:RPP. If not then one ought to consider not requesting it. Fiddle Faddle 08:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Can't we also freely use Jayaguru Nyati articles and images on facebook declared as free to the public

I suppose we can freely use Jayaguru Nyati's promotional images and articles expressly available to the public o Facebook Nkoko365 (talk) 06:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Nkoko365: An image posted online in a public forum (such as Facebook) is not the same as putting it in the public domain. The owner of the image still holds their copyright to the image, and is assumed to do so until they explicitly place the image into the public domain. For more information on our image use policy, see WP:IUP - and feel free to ask any questions regarding it. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 08:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I want to create new detailed article on Jayaguru Nyati, a rising Zimbabwe politician

Jayaguru Nyati a.k.a. Robert Godfrey Musasiwa is a rising Zimbabwe politician & philanthropist. Zimbabweans, DONORS and others ask questions about him to help their decision-making. He was first mentioned on Wikipedia concerning Zimbabwe 2000 Elections. I have gathered some small data and references but I am a virgin on Wikipedia and I am finding the cost of entry very high in terms of the know how, please help as I feel being thrown from pillar to post by the guidelines. His party GUNGA already has a logo registered with Wikimedia. I believe an article about him will snowball into large volume in terms of verifiable materials and public interest since he is a bit of a sui generis Nkoko365 (talk) 06:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you use the process at WP:AFC and submit your draft for review and feedback, an iterative process. WIth regard to your Facebook question, above, the answer depends with precision on the wording used there to release the material. My answer, sight unseen, is probably not.
When drafting the article the first time, simply do your best. Look at the layout of similar, more developed articles, and use them as inspiration, but not as a precedent for acceptance. They may be poor.
The main thing you need is top quality references. Be guided by WP:42, the simplest encapsulation of our requirements for a beginner. Read WP:REFB and WP:CITE. A living person requires citations not just references.
As you receive feedback from the volunteer reviewers do not be discouraged if it is declined even several times. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. Fiddle Faddle 08:18, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

How do bots work and Who creates them?

Bots do a great service to Wikipedia by reverting vandalism,managing lists etc.I'm curious about how and who creates them?.And furthermore how do they work non-stop? using servers?--Chamith (talk) 13:04, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse, ChamithN! Well most bots do indeed do a variety of tasks which do benefit this project, especially tasks that requires a large scale such as reverting vandalism or fixing various errors, typos and formatting. Certain community members known as bot operators create a separate bot account using a variety of programming language they develop a software script that is designed to do the specific tasks that the operator is willing to put into. The bot will be subject to approval by the Bot Approval Group in which the bot operator describes the designated tasks and other info regarding the bot. The group will check if the bot meets the bot policies and will approve or decline it it after a trial period to ensure no harm is done. To learn more check out WP:BOTS. ///EuroCarGT 17:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Article about a cancelled tour

Hi, this article Blonde_tour is about a tour that was postponed about 20 days ago and might be cancelled. Even if the tour happens in the future, all the information about the tour in the article (dates etc.) is now incorrect. Would the proper procedure be to put the proposed deletion tag on the article? Whitetabor (talk) 17:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Opinions will vary on the best manner of discussion. The tour, if it was once notable, has not lost notability because notability is not transient. This is despite putative cancellation. INdeed, the cancellation itself may be notable too.
My view is that the article's talk page is the place to discuss how the shape and content should alter as events change. Fiddle Faddle 19:31, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

How do I use sources for an article about Illuminati Symbolism?

I have seen that illuminati symbolism isn't really discussed in articles about it at Wikipedia and as the symbolism is found everywhere when you type 'illuminati' in your browser in Google, I think we really need an article about it. I 'm creating an article about it, but I want to know where to tell what my sources are and if it won't get deleted, because practically the only sources are the websites you find which often don't have an academic background, but there are so much websites about it that I don't think that this should be kept undiscussed. I can try to look up if there are researchers which have written about this. Anyway, I have spent some time writing this article and don't want it to be removed.

Bokareis Bokareis (talk) 21:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Bokareis. I'm sorry, but the criterion Wikipedia uses is not whether somebody thinks a subject is important, nor whether hundreds of people have written blogs and do-it-yourself websites on it. It's whether reliable sources have written at length about the subject. "Reliable" doesn't mean academic, necessarily, but it does mean sources which have a reputation for fact checking, such as major newspapers, or books from reliable publishers. If you can find such sources, then the article can remain (and must be drawn mainly from those sources). If you cannot, then I'm afraid it makes no difference how much time you have spent, the article will not be suitable for Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Article PDF generation question

I tried to make the Monmouth College Wikipedia article into a pdf using (download as PDF) option. The result is odd because some things don’t show up there. For example, about 100 of the references don’t appear. Also, the college seal doesn't display. Furthermore, on the map that shows where the college is located within the continental United States, the red dot does not display showing our location. Please advice Rami.shareef (talk) 02:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Rami.shareef and welcome to the Teahouse. The references and red dot on the map are functions that are linked to the code that the Wikipedia use. That code is not directly compatible to pdf or Word. If you want to keep all the information in the references, you have to copy the article from the editing area. That will look messy... My advice is that you take a screenshot of the article instead and insert it all as a picture in the pdf. Or, if you want to make it editable, use the screenshots for just the map and the references. Best, w.carter-Talk 09:42, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks W.carter for your helpful answer. However, do you know why would the college logo disappear? and any reason behind not showing all references in the generated file? Regards, Rami.shareef (talk) 18:36, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
@Rami.shareef:The college logo is in the so called "infobox", and it is hardwired to the Wiki code in the same way as the red dot on the map while in that box. But you can copy that file directly from the image depository here and add it as a picture to the pdf. Best, w.carter-Talk 18:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
@Rami.shareef:Just be careful how you use the image!! It is a copyright protected image, displayed here on the Wikipedia under "fair use" (special license). You have to check with the college first for permission if you are to distribute the pdf-files in any way. w.carter-Talk 18:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Greetings @Rami.shareef: one other tip you might find useful. If all you want is a read-only version of the PDF try this: go to the article and select File>Print from the browser options. Then when you are prompted to enter a printer to print to don't do that but instead select the "PDF" option (should be in the lower left corner of the Print dialog) and it will prompty you for the place to put it on your hard drive. I'm pretty sure that will work and give you a version with logos and everything. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 19:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! @MadScientistX11: and @W.carter:. Rami.shareef (talk) 03:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Put {{portal box}} where if no "see also" section?

Hello, guys! I want to add a {{portal box}} for an article, and according to WP:LAYOUT, the template is usually added in "see also" section. But if an article doesn't have this section, and "External links" section already have a {{commons}}, so where should I put it? Create a blank "see also" for it, or add it in "External links" section? --Kenir284 (talk) 05:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

@Kenir284: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Per WP:ORDER, you can create a 'See also' section in addition to an External Links section. Keep in mind that external links refer to 'links to web pages outside Wikipedia (WP:EL)' which commons is, but a portal is not. So, in this case, I would advise you to create a see also section for the portal box. KJ Discuss? 06:23, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

interviews

do interviews given by an actor, either in a written form or video, count as a reliable source for referencing? Kazmia92 (talk) 06:37, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

@Kazmia92: It depends on what the actor is saying, and what portion of the source you're using. If you wish to use the interview as sources about the actor's biographical information, the information must be: 1. neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; 2. does not involve claims about third parties; 3.does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source; 4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; 5. the article is not based primarily on such sources (WP:TWITTER). If you're sourcing what the actor is talking about others, either people or content, then it must be subject to the same review process as other sources, and you must consider: 1. the piece of work itself, 2. the creator, and 3. the publisher (WP:RS). If you give us the exact scenario, we might be able to give a more specific answer. KJ Discuss? 09:40, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

When I am writing a Wikipedia page, when should I link to another article? Because I have done an edit of that type before and it was rejected.

Thanks for clearing this up. --XndrK (talk | contribs) 14:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello XndrK, you should link things that the reader might want to check up further like clipper and things that might need a bit of clarification like Russia (click to see which), not ordinary things like water. They should only be linked the first time that they occur in the article. Best w.carter-Talk 15:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

how to open a new article

i have a interview in which i need to do 15 minuets hands on session where i will show how to create a page in Wikipedia showing skills such as links, references, headings etc. how to do it?79.178.147.91 (talk) 17:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:Your first article.--ukexpat (talk) 17:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
To avoid the possibility of the page being deleted seconds after it's created - possibly even during your hands on session! - be sure to use the "Article Wizard" link from the page ukexpat linked you to, or "Articles for Creation" further down the same page. This will mean the page will be a "draft" article, but it will still be publicly viewable.
For links and headings, WP:CHEATSHEET is useful to read; for references, WP:REFB is useful. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Overwrite a redirect

Hi I’ve written an article, and discovered when trying to move it into the main space, that there is a re-direct under the same name. Can I overwrite this redirect, and make it the article page? If not what can I do - Thanks FOX 52 (talk) 15:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Normally,as per WP:R#DELETE pages shouldn't be redirected if the redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting Apple to Orange.Likewise I don't see any connection between the Kalaeloa Airport and Coastal Guard Air Station Base.Since your article is still in your sandbox don't do anything yet,first finish your work on your article and then submit it for review.If it gets accepted then I suggest you to link the redirect page to your article--Chamith (talk) 17:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Furthermore you can discuss about deletion of redirect tags at WP:RFD--Chamith (talk) 17:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello FOX 52, the redirect to Kalaeloa Airport on that page exists since a bit further down on the Kalaeloa Airport article there is another main article called Naval Air Station Barbers Point. Is this the same station you are writing about? If so you could expand that article instead. Otherwise hang on for some redirect-expert to come along and keep writing in your sandbox. Best, w.carter-Talk 17:17, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
W.carter The article I have written is the Coastal Guard Air Station Barbers Point, which is part of the now closed Naval Air Station Barbers Point, so I would like to make it's own article. - Thanks FOX 52 (talk) 17:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
FOX 52 So two names, same location, different times. Seems like a clear case of detangling the articles, and judging from your edits you seems to know what you are doing, so please make the redirected page yours (copypaste is easiest). :) Just put a note at the top of each page (similar to the ones at these pages: socken and Paul G. Socken) since the names are so similar, and also write about the relationship between the stations at their respective pages. w.carter-Talk 17:35, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Will do, thanks so much for your help - FOX 52 (talk) 18:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Confirmation on a step in the right direction

Hey all, on an album page I recently made, someone added the "lack of notability" warning to the page. So, I looked around and added four additional cites from third-party sites regarding different songs, the album, and two interview quotes. Is this good enough? I'm planning to following suite with the previous two albums since I've seen lots of prior interviews and know they exist, but have not been put on the pages. Let me know, the album is Blackout. Thanks! ProperCthulhu (talk) 18:17, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi ProperCthulhu, to prove general notability sources also have to be from reliable (journalistic) sources and provide 'significant' coverage about the subject. Several of your sources serve only to announce the album is being released. The best one, from Yahoo, largely talks about the video of the single. Obviously it is fairly easy these days to create a website, or fansite, so we need to see coverage from established, expert sources in particular. But well done for finding some sources and attempting to solve the problem. You're moving in the right direction! Sionk (talk) 19:25, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, ProperCthulhu. I am the editor who tagged that page. Please read our notability guideline for albums which requires compliance with the General notability guideline. Quotes from band members about the album are not independent, and in my opinion, do not establish notability. Every band thinks it's own releases are great. Far better would be coverage by professional music critics with no connection to the band. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

How long does the content on the sandbox will be kept?

How long does wikipedia keep the content in Sandbox? just trying to figure out my editing time. 24.84.237.236 (talk) 21:17, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi there - I assume you're talking about the community sandbox located at Wikipedia:Sandbox? Any edits there probably won't last for more than a few hours at most. That sandbox is open for anyone to edit, and is regularly cleaned out too. It's typically only useful for testing one edit at a time. If you wish to develop an article over a period of time, you may wish to consider creating a draft (e.g. Draft:Article name). Alternatively, if you don't wish to develop an article and just want to test various edits, I recommend registering an account, after which you can create your own sandbox as a subpage of your userpage - for example, my personal sandbox is located at User:SuperHamster/Sandbox. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Can a page on sandbox have links to other pages?

24.84.237.236 (talk) 21:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Greetings and welcome to the teahouse. A sandbox is a place for editors to work on things that for various reasons aren't ready to be published as Encyclopedia content yet. For example, if you want to create a new article you may create a draft version in your sandbox. So given that the answer if of course yes, just as an article is actually expected to have links to other articles so a draft article in your sandbox will as well. BTW, I suggest getting a Wikipedia:User name rather than using your IP address. It will make it easier for people to communicate with you in the future. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 21:41, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Can I invite or add other people to my Sandbox for editing the content?

24.84.237.236 (talk) 21:18, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

@24.84.237.236: Hello, and of course you can. Your individual sandbox is taken as part of your user page, where you can practice editing and prepare article content. However, like any other area on Wikipedia, any user can view and edit the pages. You might want to give the editors a url link to your sandbox and explicit permission to allow them to edit the sandbox. However, I don't believe an IP address can create a user sandbox; you would want to create an account and then go to User:Sandbox and click the link that says 'find or create your own user sandbox here.' KJ Discuss? 23:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

How to move content from university wikipedia to the Wikipedia?

We are a reserach group at Simon Fraser University in Canada and we are preparing a wiki page on our university domain. Some of the content on that page is scientific and can be used by the public and researchers. I wanted to know if we can move some of that content to the wikipedia ad keep the formatting?

24.84.237.236 (talk) 21:16, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

@24.84.237.236: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm assuming that you're trying to make a Wikipedia page about your university and is asking whether you can use the materials from your website. Generally, Wikipedia does not allow copyright material to be added to articles. All material must be either summarized and reworded, or written verbatim with quotation marks for attribution. If you are the copyright owner and wishes to donate the material to Wikipedia, please read WP:DCP for an explanation of the policies and procedures. KJ Discuss? 22:58, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Technically, if your University wiki uses Mediawiki (or another wiki system with the same markup), you could edit the page on each wiki, and copy the raw Wikimarkup from one to the other. But apart from the copyright issue Kkj11210 mentioned, it is unlikely that the text of your page would be suitable, as they probably have different purposes. All the information in a Wikipedia article must be referenced to published reliable sources, and most of them have to be independent of the subject. I would have thought that your page on your university Wiki would contain a good deal of original research, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia project

Hi everyone! My name is Skyler and I'm a student at Cornell University. For one of my classes I am required to edit a wikipedia article and my group chose the article on Ray Charles. I just wanted to invite anyone who is familiar with Charles or R&B/jazz/blues music to check out my group's proposal on the talk page and give us feedback! Skylerd23 (talk) 05:07, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

saving a page while in the process of creating it

I am creating a page on a literary journal produced by my institution. The process of putting together the content will take some time, meaning that I will need to use multiple Wikipedia sessions to create the page. I recently saved what I have so far and, shortly thereafter, received a message that my page is about to be deleted. Is there a way I can save my work without having it be reviewed immediately? Thank you.EAEdw80 (talk) 01:20, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there is. You could create the page as a draft, for example Draft:Quiddity International Literary Journal and Public-Radio Program. While the page is a draft, you can take your time working on it, and it won't be deleted. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 01:28, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, EAEdw80. Howicus's advice is good. But I recommend that you read your first article, especially the section on conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 09:01, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, my previous attempt at asking the question got all messed up by automatic expansion of the expressions I was asking about!

On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapilavastu under External links is the expression 

 {{RBK|22|Kapilavastu}}

It expands to an incorrect link, 

http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/f/fa-hien/f15l/chapter22.html

How can I correct that link to the following? 

https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/f/fa-hien/f15l/chapter22.html

Liontooth (talk) 01:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Liontooth, welcome to the Teahouse. Things in {{...}} are usually templates. It's edited at Template:RBK. I have updated it to the new url [3] so the link should now work in all articles using the template, listed at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:RBK. Thanks for reporting this. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Liontooth. As you discovered, you can protect markup from being interpreted by putting it between <nowiki> and </nowiki>. But for the case of templates (things in the curly braces) there's actually a template to do it. So if you write {{tlx|RBK|22|Kapilavastu}} it displays as {{RBK|22|Kapilavastu}}, and gives you a link to the template itself. --ColinFine (talk) 09:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

How to get my Wikipedia Article Live ?

Hi , I have recently written an article. Please let me know what is the process for it to go live from My Sandbox? When do I know that my Article is approved by Wikipedia Editors ? Cueconnect (talk) 09:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Cueconnect. When your article is ready to be reviewed, edit it to insert {{subst:submit}} at the top: it may take a week or two, but eventually somebody will review it and if they accept it they will move it to article space.
However, don't do that yet: your article as it stands has no chance whatever of being accepted. The most important reason is that it has no references whatever. Each piece of information in a Wikipedia article is required to be cited to a reliable published source, and in most cases to a source unconnected with the subject. Other issues are the formatting (it doesn't use standard section headings, so it is difficult to read) and there is some promotional language in it ("firmly placed as a xxx company" is marketing speak, and doesn't belong in any encyclopaedia, anywhere; and "is considered the lifeline of industrial growth in the area." should appear only if it is more or less quoting a reliable source unconnected with the company).
I advise you to read your first article, and follow its advice about making small edits to other articles before you return to this one. --ColinFine (talk) 09:52, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Cueconnect. You also need to rewrite the draft in your own words: I see that at least portions of it are copied from http://www.indiapower.com/company_profile.html. Since you are copying from the company, I need to remind you not to use the company as a source in your references. —teb728 t c 10:08, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

How to create a page for my company?

Hi, Can you help me out to create techtuba article? I tried it but delete this page. --Gucci84 (talk) 12:33, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

You are advised against creating an article where you have a conflict of interest. If you insist on doing so please use the process at WP:AFC clicking the link that creates a new article there. You must provide evidence that it passes WP:CORP or it will never be accepted. We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. Fiddle Faddle 13:31, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Getting a new page published

Previously, I had tried to post a page about the Daytona Beach Symphony Society, but it was taken down. I believe I have learned from that and I put together a DBSS write up, as a sub page of mine. I am looking for feedback on this sub page, so I can work towards posting it live ultimately. Tamarino (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Tamarino and welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, you are not supposed to create articles on your user page. That page is for describing you and your work on the Wikipedia. You start creating articles in your sandbox here: User:Tamarino/sandbox. So first of all move the text from your user page to your sandbox. If you made the same mistake before, that might be why your page was deleted. I took a quick look at what you have written and I think you are on the right track, what little there is looks tidy, it only needs much more of the same: more text, more independent sources and facts. Best, w.carter-Talk 17:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you w.carter! I moved my draft article to my sandbox. And I'm glad to hear you thought it was on the right track. I'll dig around for more content and independent references. Your response was helpful, thank you again! Tamarino (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Page marked for deletion (advertising)

I contributed to the Ello (social network) wiki, which has now been marked for deletion for advertising. Wondering if anyone can suggest an edit that might change that status. I'm so new to all of this sorry for the following visual, not sure how to add a hyperlink. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ello_(social_network) Janerick (talk) 17:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Janerick: Looking at the article, it doesn't seem particularly promotional or anything. I took a look at the article's history, and it looks like someone proposed deletion of the article in this edit. The editor's reasoning wasn't valid, however, as they cited in their edit summary that the article should be deleted simply because it was also deleted over on the Dutch Wikipedia. The problem with this is that each language version of Wikipedia operates independently from each other, and one article being promotional on the Dutch wiki does not mean that any other language-versions of the article are also promotional. So no worries there! Someone has declined the deletion request per that reason.
As for hyperlinking, take a quick look at Help:Link for details. Two of the most common types of links:
  • Wikilinks, which is when you link to a Wikipedia article. Put the article title in double brackets. (e.g. [[Apple]] produces Apple).
  • External links, which is when you want to link to a URL. Use single brackets in this case. (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple Apple] produces Apple).
Hope this helps! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:41, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Janerick. The user EmileZ invoked the proposed deletion mechanism at 13:09. Three hours later Vipul challenged this by removing the tag. (This is permitted for a "proposed deletion", because this is used only for uncontroversial deletions). If Vipul (or anybody else) feels strongly that the article should be deleted, they must initiate a different process, articles for deletion, which will start a discussion to which anybody may contribute, and will be left open at least a week. --ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much everyone. It got some much needed attention after posting here. Seeing how others use and add on sources is a great way to learn. Thanks @SuperHamster: and @ColinFine: that is super helpful.Janerick (talk) 21:59, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
If anyone's interested there is a discussion on this article's talk page about the appropriate sourcing for the "Criticism" section".--ukexpat (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

How to create additional and seperate articles in my sandbox?

Teahouse greetings, I am trying to find out how to create multiple and seperate article content in my sandbox, without loosing my original document? I understand you can move draft pages, but not sure where you should move them to? Thank you for any assistance. Bjgevans (talk) 10:31, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Greetings backatcha @Bjgevans: You can create an unlimited number of subpages in your userspace, just by giving each a different name. So, you could create User:Bjgevans/Sandbox and User:Bjgevans/Sandbox2, etc... Or you can give each the name of the article you are working on, like User:Bjgevans/John Smith and User:Bjgevans/Jane Doe. Really, it's quite unlimited. I hope this helps! You can find more information at Wikipedia:Subpages and at Help:Userspace draft. --Jayron32 11:01, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Greetings @Bjgevans:. @Jayron32: has already given you a good answer but one more link I thought I would add is this article: wp:User pages Your sandbox is just a special case of a user page, it's sort of the default user page that we all get but as Jaryon said you can create as many as you want to, as long as the purpose of them all is to help edit Wikipedia. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 00:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

finding articles that need editing

I am new to editing in Wikipedia. Is there a place i can go to find articles that are most in need of editing? Mrjdavethor (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. Why yes...yes there is.
[4] Happy editing!--Mark Miller (talk) 21:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Greetings Mrjdavethor, welcome to the teahouse. In addition to expanding stubs you can look here: Wikipedia:Community_portal scroll down to where it says "Help out" and you will see a bunch of categories for articles that need various types of editing (add refs, expand, wp:wikify, etc.) Notice that next to each category there is a "Learn how" link as well. Also, you might want to try User:SuggestBot it can give you suggestions of pages that need editing and match your interest, although for SuggestBot to match your interests you have to have done some editing already, it looks at your history and finds similar articles. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 00:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Just how many mad scientists does Wikipedia have? ;-)--Mark Miller (talk) 03:07, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

How does one find a list of the proper categories for an RfC?

I requested comments a couple of days ago. Here: Wikipedia_talk:Gender-neutral_language#RfC:_Use_of_gender-neutral_language_in_spaceflight_articles

I could not find a list of categories with which to categorize the RfC--despite a decent effort at searching--so left it unsorted. "tech" did not work for "technology", etc.

It's still "unsorted".

How does one find a list of the valid and proper categories for an RfC? Thanks.

N2e (talk) 02:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's it! You  Fixed it. Thanks. N2e (talk) 03:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

To add another topic with similar spelling

I have just started editing Wikipedia articles and I have also contributed some articles. What should I do when I want to create an article which is different but with same spelling there already exists an article. Miloom (talk) 02:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

@Miloom: Hi Miloom. The short answer is to create the article at a disambiguated name. For example, if there is already an entry for the comedian John Cleese at the title John Cleese, and you want to create an article for a musician also named John Cleese, then the article can be created at the title John Cleese (musician). There are many wrinkles involved in the details of this that are highly dependent on context, such as whether the one or the other is the primary topic; whether there's an existing disambiguation page; whether it is at the base name or a name with "disambiguation" in the title, whether hatnotes are needed and so on. If you provide the specifics a less general answer would be possible. In any event, in addition to some of the other pages I've linked, please see Wikipedia:Article titles. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, thank you very much for your kind help.

Miloom (talk) 05:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I have found an article that is on Greek wikipedia and the English wikipedia. Nevertheless, they are not connected. Vagr7 (talk) 09:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

If you go to the en-wiki version of the page and look under the Languages menu on the left of the screen, you'll see a little "Add links" button - this will allow you to connect the Greek article. Yunshui 雲水 10:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

How could I warn user doing distruptive editing and vandalism?

Hi, I randomly check recent changes and try to fix possible vandalism and distruptive editing. But how could I warn the people that doing? Yes, I know I can write on thier talk page but writing the same stuff over and over again when there are lots of people is cumbersome.

Is there a way I can place the warn text on their talk page? Sorry my english is not so good.

Regards

Physicsmathftw (talk) 12:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

We have a tool called twinkle that you can activate from your gadgets section in your preferences. Twinkle will allow you to post premade warning templates onto peoples talk pages.Mirror Freak My Guestbook 12:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
You can find out more about WP:Twinkle here! Good luck with those vandals.Mirror Freak My Guestbook 12:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! That will really help me. :) Physicsmathftw (talk) 12:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
@Physicsmathftw: Its what we're here for. I hope to see you at the teahouse again soon.Mirror Freak My Guestbook 12:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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