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I Will Have an Eye on You: Template for Vandals

I propose a template, similiar to a warning, which could be used in a vandal´s talk page in which the user states that he/she will be watching the vandal and monitoring his/her edits in case vandalism is done again. The vandal could end up not vandalizing anymore since he would find out that all his vandalism wouldbe easilly removed.

The template could be something like this:

I will have an eye on you and will revert/undo any future vandalistic edits from your part.

Code: [[Image:Mona Lisa detail eyes.jpg|thumb|150px|I will have an eye on ''you'' '''and''' will revert/undo any future vandalistic edits from your part. ~~~~]]

Or maby something like this:

I will have an eye on you and will revert/undo any future vandalistic edits from your part.

Code: {{Userbox |border-c = #000 |border-s = 1 |id-c = brown |id-s = 20 |id-fc = Black |info-c = yellow |info-s = 8 |info-fc = black |id = [[Image:Mona Lisa detail eyes.jpg|45px]] |info = I will have an eye on you and will revert/undo any future vandalistic edits from your part.}}

--TomasBat (Talk) 20:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I think the warn templates cover this well enough. The threat is overly hostile, in my opinion. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This seems a little hostile. It makes me think of WP:STALK and WP:NPA. Mike Dillon 21:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it could be used only after the vandal has been warned several times but continues vandalizing Wikipedia, before he/she is blocked, giving the vandal something like another chance to change his ways... --TomasBat (Talk) 21:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason to actually tell them you're watching them; just keep an eye out. Being so confrontational creates a hostile editing environment. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, please don't do this. This reminds me of that "This user does not care that they are vandalizing the hard work of others" template someone decided to use in place of a warning. -Amark moo! 00:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you do not tell them that you are watching them, then it will be more probable that they will vandalize, since most vandals haven´t got a clue that a bunch of users are monitoring recent changes; but, if you do tell them that you are watching them, then it will be most probable that the vandal will not do more vandalistic edits, since he/she will take into account that his/her edit will easilly be reverted since someone is watching every move.

--TomasBat (Talk) 01:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Better than fixing a broken thing is to never have broken it. --TomasBat (Talk) 01:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Better than doing something that is wrong and then correcting it is to never have done something wrong. --TomasBat (Talk) 01:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I don't deny that it will stop vandalism more effectively. My issue is that it's uncivil, and besides, it won't ever have reason to be used. If someone's gotten to the point where it's obvious that they are a vandal and will not stop, even after being blocked a few times, they should be blocked indefinitely, not given a template saying that they'll be watched. And before that point, it's WP:BITEing to tell them that their edits are going to be watched. -Amark moo! 01:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you look at it that way, then it seems more biting to block the vandal completely from editing Wikipedia than to let him edit a bit more under certain limits/restrictions... Also, by using this template, we are giving the vandal one more chance to change his ways; it may seem obvious that a vandal will not stop under any circumstances, but... -who knows?-, maby after finding out that they are being watched, then the vandal might auctually stop vandalising! We should let the vandal know about how unprobable it will be that his/her vandalistic edits will last, and maby with this knowledge, the vandal will stop! --TomasBat (Talk) 02:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

How about this less hostile template?

I will have an eye on you and will revert/undo any future vandalistic edits from your part; but if you were to make constructive edits in the proximate future, then my gaze would depart from you and I would leave you a smile...

--TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 14:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The fact that they are getting warns and blocks is the evidence in and of itself that they are being watched; if they weren't, they wouldn't be getting warned and blocked. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, we can make things even clearer for them... There is nothing wrong with that... What have we got to lose?... TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 16:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Nothing to lose, per se, but why should we even have policies such as Wikipedia:Civility if we're just going to ignore them whenever we feel like it? EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Important Points:

  • Wikipedia:Civility says that it is a policy that all users should follow, not have to follow... I don´t mean that we have to completely ignore it I mean that there are always exceptions... (Please notify me if there is something about the fact that it is obligatory to follow this policy that I did not note and, if so, please forgive me for my ignorance)
  • Are policies rules or suggestions?

Judgmental tone in edit summaries ("fixed sloppy spelling", "snipped rambling crap")

(Note: If I were to be wrong, please notify me and please forgive me for my ignorance.)

--TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 17:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I won't respond to each point (since I think Gracenotes does a much better job of addressing this further down), but using the word "shit" in and of itself is not a breach of civility. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that I'm not convinced this is a good idea, the userbox-like choice of formatting would cause layout problems on user talk pages. If you want to make a template like this, consider using a full-width layout like {{repeatvandal}}. —Dgiest c 16:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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How about this:

I will have an eye on you and will revert/undo any future vandalistic edits from your part; but if you were to make constructive edits in the proximate future, then my gaze would depart from you and I would leave you a smile...

--TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 16:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Changing the format doesn't change the fact that it is unnecessarily combative and a potential violation of WP:CIVIL. There's an equally likely chance that a user who has this placed on their talk page will go "oh yeah? well fuck you" and start vandalizing more. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but, since you said that there is 50% of probabilities that the vandal will vandalize more after reading the template, then there is also 50% of probabilities that he will stop (I quote from you: ´´There's an equally likely chance...´´)... Also, could you please tell me exactly how this template does not meat the guidelines stated byWP:CIVIL? --TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 17:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, I think that the vandal would respond in the same way to a standard warning... --TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 17:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The wording of Wikipedia:Civility (and actually, of {{policy}}) indicates that all users should follow it. Yes, should doesn't need must. The official Wikipedia page about policies and guidelines indicates that policies are
only more official and less likely to have exceptions
than guidelines. Guidelines are less strong than policies (for example, WP:AGF is a guideline, WP:NPA is a policy), but this is a policy, and there is really no reason why one should act contrary to either a policy or a guideline without a good reason. In this case, I believe that slight incivility occurs when you refer to actions that you will do (even conditionally). The promised blocking in a template like {{uw-v3}} or {{uw-v4}} is because of violations of (hopefully) previously explained policies and guidelines
TomasBat, the idea is very witty (about the shifty Mona Lisa eyes), but editors that receive it may become afraid of editing. Unequivocally watching another editor, even to see that he/she is making good edits, is intimidating -- I know that I don't like working at a computer if I'm being watched over my shoulder, regardless of what I'm doing). This may result in increased wikistress (usually symptotic of incivility; see the first paragraph of the policy); for a new editor, a hint of wikistress may cause freaking out via vandalism (along the lines of "fuck this project, I don't need this").
This problem of stress from a latent enemy (namely, the person that places the template), could be fixed by saying "your edits will be reverted", but then the first-person voice that is essential to the Mona Lisa analogy collapses like a house of cards (to whom do the eyes belong?), and it might as well be a standard unpersonal warning message. GracenotesT § 21:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, the template states that the user will be watching the vandal until he/she starts making constructive edits; so, the vandal will be intimidated to make vandalistic edits (due to the eyes and the fact that the user s watching out) but will be encouraged to make constructive edits (due to the promised retirement of the gaze and the coming of the smile). The template promises the vandal-user reversion of vandalism (eyes), but encourages he/she to make good edits... What is wrong with that?

Also, if you take a look at the following template, you will notice that it also encourages the user to make constructive edits and notifies him/her that his/her vandalistic edits will be removed; similiar to the my proposed Mona-Lisa-template.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

Also, the standard warnng templates also threaten the vandal, but promise that nothing bad will happen if constructive edits are made...

Also, I have got you a question:

--TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 22:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't make the incivility assertion, but I will try to explain it. If I'm wrong about it, perhaps EVula (talk · contribs) could clarify. As a side note, it may just be me, but I did not notice where {{uw-vandalism1}} makes any claim about a Wikipedian's reaction to future edits.

This Mona Lisa template, in my humble opinion, creates a "you-versus-me" mentality that is a part of incivility. If you require a quote from the policy, I would suggest

It is during these exchanges that community members may become uninterested in improving articles and instead focus on "triumphing" over the "enemy".

Once again, I think that this is witty, but perhaps not appropriate in use. Happy editing. GracenotesT § 22:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

{{tl|uw-vandalism1}} makes a claim about a wikipedian´s reaction to future edits because it notifies the vandal-user that his vandalistic edits have been removed, henceforth telling the vandal, in an indirect way, how wikipedian´s will react to his/her future vandalistic edits. --TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 22:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I hope that the direct quote sufficed. The confrontational, personal tone may go against the spirit of the policy. I merely believe that the template sets up a less-than-ideal view of constructive Wikipedia editing. GracenotesT § 23:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Aside... since there seems to be talk here
This is just a heads up about changes proposed regarding template deletion (speedy) processes and procedures. See Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion
   BTW... I like the mona lisa scheme, but I'm of the mind that confrontation is occasionally a good thing. The 'civ' question really is more whether the society sanctions such, and how it sanctions such. Consider the discussions and suggestions low down in here, which is on one of my back-burners. Also, section 'Missing empathy' in WP:Wh is food for thought. Regards // FrankB 15:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I support to adopt this template and I think there's nothing that makes it violate Wikipedia:Civility. However, I suggest that we shouldn't abuse it too much, just use for tenaciously persistent vandalisers (for example, we can use it as the third or last warning etc.) Also, I'm most impressed by the Mona Lisa scheme and it'll be a pity if this creative idea is ignored. Maybe you should dilute the seriousness in the expression, TomasBat. Causesobad --> (Talk) 14:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by dilute the seriousness in the expression? --TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 14:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if my words are so incomprehensible. I mean that, your warning seems a little too serious and it can make the users feel uncomfortable as if they are being observed at every turn. If you can reduce the seriousness, I think it'll be better. Causesobad --> (Talk) 14:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
To exemplify my idea, let's take a look at a very-lovely-creative block warning made by admin Phaedriel:
Dear Requested templates/Archive 5, unfortunately, your latest contributions constitute vandalism of Wikipedia, and it is with regret that you have been blocked from editing. Now, if you're willing to review your attitude, please post a message at your talk page, and I'll be most happy to help you reconsider your editing behavior, and the beauties of becoming a steady contributor. I'll keep my eyes on your talk page, I promise. Have a nice day! :)
With the same content of blocking but with this template, the user will feel less unpleasing and maybe have intention of coming back to contribute to Wiki. It's only my suggestion and I hope you'll renew your template because I do like the Mona Lisa idea. Causesobad --> (Talk) 15:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

How about this renewed template:

Dear Requested templates/Archive 5, unfortunately, your latest contributions constitute vandalism of Wikipedia, so I have no choice but to keep my eyes on you in case more vandalistic edits come from your part, so I can revert/undo them to ensure that they cause no harm; but I promise that if you make constructive edits in the future, they will most likely not be reverted and you will have my grace, the grace of all and my smile...

Also, once the user makes a constructive edit, we could award him/her with this barnstar/medal:

The Constructive Edit(s) Medal
Due to your recent constructive edit(s), I award you, with a smile, this medal and highly encourage you to keep up the good work and leave forever the stage of vandalism.

--TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 18:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I remain utterly unconvinced at why you need to tell a user you're watching them. Having had a harassing editor tell me specifically that they were watching my edits, I just can't support any template that says as much.
Here's a concept: just watch their edits and don't tell them. They'll figure it out when you slap them with another warning after they vandalize some more. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think that warning them of the consequences and giving them another extra chance, by telling them we are watching their vandalism, is better and seems less hostile than slapping them with a warning once they vandalize some more... Anyways, with the second medal/barnstar template, we are awarding the vandal and encouraging him to leave vandalism and make constructive edits, since the user finds out that when he/she vandalizes, nothing is won and his/her edits are reverted, but when he/she makes constructive edits, an award is recieved... --TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 20:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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How about some sort of resolution: A number of people seem to think these are a bad idea, so don't make them in the main template space. Create whatever you want in your user space and use them responsibly. People who don't like them can just WP:DGAF and ignore it unless you start WP:BITEing or being uncivil. —Dgiest c 21:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me... --TomasBat (Talk)(Sign) 21:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Use the template when it's specifically appropriate, and perhaps don't give out the barnstar (give out a real barnstar that commends without mentioning vandalism, or actually write a personal message.) Unless anything comes up, Dgies' resolution sounds fine, even though I still don't like this template that much. [exeunt] GracenotesT § 02:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

MLB Managers by team

There should be a more templates made for baseball managers. If you look at Joe Torre's page, you will see that he has a template for being a current manager, one for the Mets, but not one for any other team he has managed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.39.240 (talk)

That is not a request for the creation of a template. It is a request for people to add more succession box templates to various articles. If you know what articles you want updated, and what succession boxes you need added, you can probably just add them to the articles yourself. If you are not confident enough to do that, say exactly what additions you want here, like "Joe Blow was the pitching coach of Yankees from 1940-1942, he was proceeded by John Doe and succeeded by Bob Smith". —Dgiest c 23:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Article size message template

I'm looking for a template which can be used to produce a message for an article where its size has grown too large - probably as part of the cleanup category templates. Stolen from Wikipedia:Article size, the following code:

<div id="longpagewarning" style="border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:#aaaaaa;padding:3px"> '''Note:''' This page is XXX kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See [[Wikipedia:Article size]]. </div>

....produces this:

Note: This page is XXX kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See Wikipedia:Article size.

Which seems fine. I couldn't find any template similar to this, though. So, my questions, if you please:

  1. Does anyone know of an already existing template similar to this?
  2. If not, I'll create the template myself (would prefer to, as a way of learning), but am unsure of what can be used as a variable for the article size, which can normally (only?) be found when searching for the article in question

Any help would be appreciated. —XhantarTalk 10:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

There are {{long}}, {{toolong}}, {{Verylong-section}}. PrimeHunter 13:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your replies. Any one of the templates mentioned by User:PrimeHunter will do the trick. For some reason I just wasn't able to find them listed or categorized anywhere. I assumed they would be listed at Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup. —XhantarTalk 19:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:32TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis3

I have been trying to create the Template:32TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis3, but I'm doing something wrong in the final round. Here is the result. Could anybody help me? Thank you. MontanNito 14:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I think I fixed it for you. You had a bad colspan value and needed the connector bars added.—Dgiest c 17:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Perfect, thank you very much :-) MontanNito 18:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

{{cite DVD-notes}}

There is a citation template for album notes {{cite album-notes}}, and if someone wants to cite DVD notes or the DVD cover, they must use this template. There should be a seperate template:

{{cite DVD-notes |title= |titleyear= |titlelink= |director= |format= |location= |year= |distributor= |distributorid= }}

  • Title: Title of the movie on the DVD (no Wikilink)
  • Titleyear: Year the movie was made (no Wikilink)
  • Titlelink: A Wikipedia link to the article about the film, if applicable (no Wikilink)
  • Director: Director of the movie (Wikilink if possible)
  • Format: Where or how the notes are represented, i.e. booklet, inset, back cover, front cover, liner, etc.
  • Location: The location of the DVD distributor to the smallest geographical unit possible (Wikilink if possible)
  • Year: The year the DVD was distributed/released (no Wikilink)
  • Distributor: The distributor of the DVD (i.e. Shriek Show, VIPCO (Video Instant Picture Company), MGM Home Entertainment, etc.) (Wikilink if possible)
  • Distributorid: The catalog number of the DVD from the distributor

— Helltopay27 18:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

AUTOBIOGRAPHY

Inadequate Sources or Citations

Perhaps I'm missing a template that already exists but I really need a template that says something along the lines of: "Most or all of the references or citations in this article are inadequate as reliable sources. Please find verifiable and reliable sources for the information in this article." The example article for this is Heidi holt. Perhaps any one of the cites would be fine for substantiation of non-hoax or such for one fact, but when an entire article is hung on such thin sources, it seems to me this should be noted. {{ureliable}} probably comes closest but still doesn't quite cover this. --PigmanTalk to me 19:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was afraid what I'm looking for is a little too specific and strange. I'll check through the templates you suggested. It was just an article with 6 external links to sites like iTunes, really rather poor quality for cites. As I said, cites that barely proved the info wasn't a hoax but hardly what I'd call good sources. Thanks very much for the pointer. --PigmanTalk to me 01:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk Page Template 2 (Template:talkpage2)

Here is something I want it to look like. Use this background color 255, 0, 0. This template will actually take in a box. And say this (in blockquoted text).

The page you are visiting is NOT an encyclopedia article. You are actually visiting a mirror site. If you are on this page, this is a talk page. This is a place for you to sign your name and add messages. To sign your name, you must use ~~~~ for signing your name and timestamp, ~~~ for signing your namestamp, and ~~~~~ for signing your timestamp only.

Loop 101 Dead! 14:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

This may already be covered by {{talkheader}}. (And "mirror" has a different meaning in the context of Wikipedia than what I think you're getting at.) Finally, red as a background color? Have mercy on my eyes! :) GracenotesT § 18:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Note: requester has been indefblocked as a sockpuppet of User:Sklocke —Dgiest c 19:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The Carpenters

I'd really appreciate a Carpenters singles/discography/TV Specials template. Could somebody make it resemble the Beatles template?

{{The Beatles Singles}}

For questions about the Carpenters' singles/TV Specials/discography, you can visit my talk page. Cuyler91093 18:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it might make sense for a Carpenters discography template, but there are some caveats:
  1. The TV specials do not have articles, so it makes no sense to include them
  2. A lot of the singles do not have articles, so we should only include the ones that are notable.
  3. What should be done for singles which are just covers by The Carpenters? It seems misleading to include them.
Your thoughts? —Dgiest c 18:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Dgies. I tried making a template. It doesn't look good (there are a lot of missing links), but you can see it here.

Navigation templates like these are used to help users find related articles. Having redlinks in them is a bad idea unless you are sure the subject really deserves an article. I think it would be best if you had only two sections in the template: One for their albums, and the other for singles which have a separate page for that single (not just covers). —Dgiest c 19:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Plain English

I'm wondering if a template should be made for articles which are so complex/technical that they really require "translation" for even a reasonably well-educated individual to read. Something like 

The level of technical information presented in this article may render it incomprehensible
to the lay reader.  Please consider rewriting it or adding a section suitable for a 
less-than-expert reader.

I glanced at Hilbert space and realized that even though I'm fairly well-read and no dolt by any means, I had not the foggiest idea what it means.

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 23:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe you are looking for {{Technical (expert)}}. —Dgiest c 23:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Fantabulendositous. Thank you. There are so many templates that it's hard for a relative newcomer to know them all.
*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 14:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I looked at Hilbert space too. It's in Category:Linear algebra. I didn't understand it, but I bet that's because I don't know anything about linear algebra. Because Wikipedia is hypertext, in my opinion it's ok to have articles too hard for nontechnical readers to understand. :-) --unforgettableid | how's my driving? 18:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Iwerks: Banner

This article is within the scope of the Iwerks WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.
??? This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale.

--TomasBat (@)(Sign) 23:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I see, so what exactly are you requesting? —dgiestc 20:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I am requesting a banner from wikiproject Iwerks, like the rest of the wikiporjects have got... --TomasBat (@)(Sign) 00:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Didn't you just make one above? What's left to request? Do you need help starting a new page? —dgiestc 02:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Whoa. I just noticed you are using a fair use image in the template for purely decorative reasons. That is a big no-no. Is there some free image you could use? —dgiestc 08:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

How about this. I changed the image to a home-made one which a created in 2 minuites; it isn´y very good, but it will fit until a better one is found, if a better one is found, of course.

This article is within the scope of the Iwerks WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.
??? This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale.

--TomasBat (@)(Sign) 21:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, looks good. Now you have all the markup for a WikiProject banner template. You still haven't said what you need help doing. —dgiestc 21:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to see in what I could improve it... Such as the fair-use image. Now how do I create it? --TomasBat (@)(Sign) 02:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC) To create a template - all you need to do is go to an address that starts with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:
So for example - you could copy that code you did, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Iwerks_Banner - paste it, and your done! (You would call the template by writing {{Iwerks_Banner}}.Daniel()Folsom |\T/|\C/|\U/|(Can you help me with my signature?) 17:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Ambiguous Dating

I originally put this on Wikipedia talk:Template messages but have gotten no reply, so I'll try here.

Is there a template to put either on top of an article or section or at the end of a sentence that asks for clarification of words like "recently" or "soon"? If there isn't, I'd be happy to make it. I'd just need to know which is preferred: a general top-of-page one, a specific sentence one, or both. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, your only options at present are either {{cleanup}} or {{update after}}. You could also replace those statements with "As of <date statement was added>". —dgiestc 20:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Adding "As of <date statement was added>" would work, but only in recent additions, otherwise this could mean looking through quite a few revisions. Someone on the help desk suggested Template:Recentism but even that doesn't quite cover it. Unless someone objects, I'll make both templates (A general top-of-page one and a specific end-of-sentence one). Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 23:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

'Too Many Template Messages' Template Message

Please see the Synopsis section of Sentou Yousei Yukikaze, which could use one of these. If one existed, it'd be a good warning sign that an article/a section should be completely re-done, not just tweaked for minor aspects.

Try {{Sectionrewrite}}. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 20:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Question about the Film infobox template

Why isn't there a "Reviews" option for the film infobox? The album infobox has one, and when viewed, it appears as "Professional Reviews," where you can place the name of the reviewer/review site and the number of stars.

This is how the "Reviews" option looks on the template in the edit pane for AC/DC's Back in Black:

| Reviews = * [[All Music Guide]] {{rating-5|5}} [http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:wzaxqjkboj6a link]

Now, let's say we added this to the template for the film infobox. The box for the movie Halloween would look like this:

| Reviews = * [[Roger Ebert]] {{rating-4|4}} [http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19791031/REVIEWS/40823003/1023 link]

I'll only request it if someone responds, because I'm not sure if this has been answered/covered already. Leaving it like a question for now makes me look like less of a dumbass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helltopay27 (talk • contribs)

  • This is a fully-protected template, so to edit it you would need to get consensus and help from an admin. There has been some previous discussion in this old thread where people were largely against the inclusion of "community review" sites. There has been no mention of professional reviews that I know of. If you want to go ahead with this, post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films and lay out your case. If people agree with you, post a request to edit a protected page at WP:RPP. —dgiestc 22:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll take this one, if it's okay with the rest of you. anthonycfc [talk] 05:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 Not done - rejected by the WikiProject as unnecessary. anthonycfc [talk] 05:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Can you point me to the thread? —dgiestc 05:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony

Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony

Bow Wow Peecee1978 04:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Was that a request or a random comment? If it was a request, we need more detail. —dgiestc 05:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Kappa Mikey template

Because there are quite a few articles related to Kappa Mikey, someone should make a template for Kappa Mikey now. It should include the following:

I would do it, but I don't know how to. --Noone 05:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Would it be a good idea to have a Location and Hours template?

Hi all,

Sorry for off-topic: this is not a template request, but a question. Many tourist attractions, subway lines, etc. have a location and/or hours of operation posted on their Wikipedia articles. Do you think it'd be useful to have nice templates for this information so that this important info will be close to the top of every article and stand out? It could look like this:

Ontario Science Centre

  • Location: 770 Don Mills Rd. at Eglinton Ave. E. (map)
  • Hours: Open daily 10-5; closed Dec. 25. Hours may vary; phone ahead.
    Info is current as of March 2007.

And for businesses and tourist attractions, you could add extra info:

  • Admission: CDN$14; over 64 and ages 13-17, CDN$10; ages 5-12, CDN$8. Theatre and special exhibits extra.
  • Parking: CDN$8
  • Phone: +1 (416) 696-3127

Yes, this information is very commercial, but it's useful, and being useful is what an encyclopedia is all about.

So, do you think this should be a template? Or do you think it's better just to put all this info in text form in some paragraph of the article?

Cheers, --unforgettableid | how's my driving? 18:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that while this is obviously useful information, you may run afoul of WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. —dgiestc 19:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Right. Don't add business hours, street addresses, or phone numbers. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, fine, I can see why phone numbers shouldn't be there (not only hard to verify, but also increased risk of exploiting Wikipedia for commercial use and/or pranks.) But does WP:NOT#DIRECTORY really mean that useful info such as hours and street addresses can't go on the articles of already-notable tourist attractions? If so, do you think it is likely I could get the rules changed? Cheers, --unforgettableid | how's my driving? 06:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Fats-and-oils

I want to make a template on the properties of fats and oils, but I don't know how to make templates. The title should be "Fats and oils" (including the Wikilink). Except for the name, most of the fields should be optional and should not appear unless the user enters a value. The bolded items are things I want in the actual template, while the nonbolded text simply explains what to put into each field. Please include the Wikilinks where I have given them. I have a pretty clear idea of which fields I'd like to have available and about how I want it to be laid out:

Fats and oils

Image: link to a Wikipedia Image file of the fat or oil in question.

Name: Name of the fat or oil (use article title if article is on the fat or oil in question)

Composition:

  • Water content: Total percentage, by weight. Give minimum and maximum values if there's a range.
  • Fat content: Total percentage, by weight. Give minimum and maximum values if there's a range.
  • Nonfat solids: Total percentage, by weight. Give minimum and maximum values if there's a range.
  • Sterols: Total percentage (plus list of individual fatty acid components and their percentage if possible – Wikilink if possible)

Fat composition (by percentage of total fat content):

  • Saturated fats: Total percentage, plus list of individual fatty acid components and their percentage (Wikilink if possible)
    • Interesterified fats: Total percentage (plus list of individual fatty acid components and their percentage if possible – Wikilink if possible)
  • Trans fats: Total percentage (plus list of individual fatty acid components and their percentage if possible – Wikilink if possible)
  • Unsaturated fats: Total percentage

Properties:

References: If more than once source, please list in "ref" format.

Thanks in advance to whomever makes this template. Peter G Werner 19:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

So what you're proposing is a new infobox type for use in articles about different types of oils, correct? For example, can you show me a couple articles you plan on adding this to? The reason I ask is that what I saw from a brief browsing is that most of these fields will be unused because there is no data for them on any particular oil. —dgiestc 19:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
An infobox, correct. Some articles: Lard, Butter, Olive oil, Grapeseed oil, Corn oil, and others like this. And "no data on them"? These data are likely present in published, citable sources for most edible oils. Just because such data are not present in Wikipedia right now is no reason not to include these fields. Peter G Werner 20:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, you convinced me. Maybe I'll work on it a bit later. —dgiestc 20:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks in advance! I've added one thing – since its going to be an infobox (good suggestion) a place at the beginning for an optional image would be a good idea. – Peter G Werner 23:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I have started work at Template:Infobox oils. —dgiestc 03:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, should be done. Take a look. —dgiestc 08:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Problem with Template:Episode list

Template:Episode list doesn't work on large pages, see discussion, and for example the bottom of this page. Maybe someone can locate the problem. If it is caused by a Wikimedia bug, it would be good to have some simpler template that reproduces the bug. -- memset 21:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I have investigated this. Please see my post at the village pump [2]. —dgiestc 22:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Barry Manilow Template

A template for Barry Manilow is needed similar to the one for Paul McCartney

that shows studio albums, soundtracks, compilations or greatest hits albums, other related albums, singles.67.98.154.56 19:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm not a fan, but this is a repeat request so I created Template:Barry Manilow. —dgiestc 20:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Dgies, thank you for making the template! It is just what the article needs. Great job on it! 67.98.154.56 12:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Template for fair use for pictures of rare animals

Since there are a number of rare animals that free pictures would be extremely hard to procure for, I think a template for rare animals is called for. I'd like some ideas on the wording of such a template, though. bibliomaniac15 02:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It might be better to discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fair use or Wikipedia talk:Fair use. Mike Dillon 02:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Embassy Template

I am requesting a template for all articles about International Embassies with information like the ambassador, the location, the representative country, a place for the respective flag, etc... Thank you Rory for suomi 08:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

There already is one, use {{Infobox Diplomatic Mission}} —dgiestc 08:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


I have not been able to find a Google search template; specifically, I'd like a template that I could use as a shortcut to a Google search. For example, I'd type {{Google|Teawood Fighters}} and it would produce a Google search for Teawood Fighters. If one like this already exists, please forgive my shortsightedness. V-Man - T/C 04:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

What exactly would you need this for? Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 04:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, the problem is with spaces. Google searches replace a space with a +, but a space in an external link ends the URL. For example [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow Fever Yellow fever on Wikipedia] returns Fever Yellow fever on Wikipedia, not what you would want, Yellow fever on Wikipedia. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 20:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
This would be used in the Reference desks, and possibly on article talk pages, to help generate sources from the internet more quickly. I have to shrug at the "space" problem; is there a way that you could get the template to just translate a space as a "+" as a text bit for the URL? V-Man - T/C 01:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

What about something like: [http://www.google.com/search?q={{{1}}}{{#if:{{{2}}}|+{{{2}}}}}{{#if:{{{3}}}|+{{{3}}}}}{{#if:{{{4}}}|+{{{4}}}}}{{#if:{{{5}}}|+{{{5}}}}}&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Google search of {{{1}}}{{#if:{{{2}}}| {{{2}}}}}{{#if:{{{3}}}| {{{3}}}}}{{#if:{{{4}}}| {{{4}}}}}{{#if:{{{5}}}| {{{5}}}}} ? It isn't a great solution, but without StringFunctions, we can't do anything really fancy. Nihiltres 20:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

The space thing can be dealt with using the built-in {{urlencode:}} parser hook. That is, something like this: 

[http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF8&q={{urlencode:{{{1}}}}} {{{2|a Google search for ''{{{1}}}''}}}]

If this template is made, it should probably have documentation that discourages its use in articles themselves. Mike Dillon 20:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

FYI, this template already exists as {{Google}}. Mike Dillon 20:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Yay!!!!!1eleven11 I couldn't find that for the life of me, thanks for showing me the way. V-Man - T/C 04:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

His Dark Materials

Can you make a te,plate for His Dark Materials Characters, ie: Name: Age: Dæmon: First Appearance: Eye Color: Hair Color: Affiliation: 89.243.35.49 18:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Were there that many characters in the series? Also, perhaps there's a general book character template that would suit your needs in the template namespace? (I don't know, but it's possible there's one. Try a template namespace search.) Cheers, --unforgettableid | how's my driving? 06:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Place page template

I've been doing a lot of work relating to and thinking about articles which are about settlements (towns, cities, villages, etc.) I've noted that there is a wide variety in the way existing articles have been made and have wondered if it might not be useful to produce a Places Template which would provide a person creating a new article with a skeleton on which the new article would build.

The template I have in mind would include a suggested concept of an introductory part and several suggested sections such as History, Location and Climate, Commerce and Industry, Culture and Recreation, Local Government, Notable Characeristics, etc. A places Infobox could be included with the template.

Using a template of this sort, the new article creator would simply "fill in the blanks" with whatever information was available and leave the empty headings for other editors to add to in the future.

I'm willing to spend some time on this myself, but before starting I was wondering what others thought about this and possibly get a few additional thoughts from persons who have created other templates. --JAXHERE | Talk 16:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

What you're asking for is probably handled better as a "preload" where a new page can be started using text from an existing page. One example is found at the top of this very page where we have: Click here to create a new request. If you want to introduce preloads for geography articles, it would probably be better to discuss it over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography. If they like your idea and you need technical assistance, feel free to ask again here. —dgiestc 17:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Mechanical Engineer User Template

I am just curious if there already is a user template for mechanical engineers. There seem to be others for chemical engineers and others. There is a mechanical engineer category, but it for some reason is not a subcategory of [[Category:Wikipedian engineers]]. if not, it seems that there should be one. I hope I am posting this on the proper page. Polypmaster 18:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 Done See {{user mechanical engineer}} Also, the mechanical engineer category is a subcat of Category:Wikipedian engineers but you have to move to the next page of listings to see it. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 20:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Not any more. I fixed the subcategories' sort keys so they all show up on the first page. —dgiestc 01:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I just added this userbox to my page. IMHO it would look better and be more consistent with other disciplines if you change "mechanical engineer" to "Mechanical Engineer".CheMechanical 04:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Speed Skater

I'm requesting an infobox template for Speed Skaters, if there isn't one already made that is suitable. It would need the basics of Template:Infobox Athlete, but with sections being "hidden" if no data is entered: image (with the option of adding a caption beneath), name, nickname, age, height, weight, country, personal best (time), World Cup wins, World Championships won, website, and perhaps making it the same width as Template:MedalTableTop because most speed skaters' articles use that template to display what medals the person has won. Although, if there was a way to better represent/include their medals/times in the info box, that would be great too... Examples of articles that will need/use this are: Apolo Anton Ohno, Joey Cheek, Chad Hedrick... oncamera(t) 01:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, made Template:Infobox Speed Skater and added it to Apolo Anton Ohno. How does it seem? If you like it, I will trust you to add it to the other articles as needed. —dgiestc 05:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, it looks awesome. Thank you for your hard work. Cheers, oncamera(t) 15:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Devil May Cry Task Force

Here requesting an userbox template for Devil May Cry Task Force, I already made the content of the template my self but I am kind of new to creating templates and I need help, for the proto template please see the bottom of my user page, thanks in advance for your help.-DDF 01:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

:Actually I'll leave them here to save people the work of looking for them. -DDF

It has been done. -DDF

Verify spelling tag template

I think a tag template along the lines of the "vague" template could be very helpful for prompting editors to recheck the spelling of, in particular, obscure proper nouns. For an example of it use as I envision it, see Wrocław#Feudal era. I've given this a try at Template:Verify spelling, so please delete if it is judged useless. Thanks and best regards, Jim_Lockhart 12:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

runescape template

Alot of us play runescape so i would like it if there was a template for runescape with maybe a link to www.runescape.com in it thanks Kinglou135 21:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

ok but can you be more descriptive as in what do you want in the template or where do you intend to put it or do you just want a userbox like this
This user plays Runescape.

(Can't find a good looking picture for it, if you got a better one, I'll swap the image.) Af648 21:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I have replaced the logo you just picked. Images licensed as fair use cannot be for purely decorative purposes, such as in userboxes as it is a copyright violation. Your userbox seems fine otherwise, do you need help with anything else? —dgiestc 23:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Let it be, damn copyright. Af648 23:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe.. a link to the Runescape article in there? :) --Quasar 02:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This user plays Runescape.


I'll fix Af648 09:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This template is at {{User:Quasar Jarosz/Userboxes/Runescape}} Af648 23:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm of the mind that we need a template for users who are suspected of massive copyright violations (like Primetime). It would be a red flag to people who come to their talk pages. Blueboy96 01:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Is {{uw-copyright}} not bold enough for you? Persistent violators may be blocked anyway so it seems unnecessarily combative to post a notice like "this user is suspected of violating copyright a lot". —dgiestc 04:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I had in mind something that could be posted on the front of their userspace, to be used along the same lines as Template:sockpuppeteer. Blueboy96 13:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
For a single user, you should just use talk page warnings until they get blocked, at which point there's no need for further tagging. For a puppeteer, there are the {{puppeteer}}, {{sock}} and {{blockedsock}} templates which can be used to tie them all together, including a WP:SSP or WP:LTA case which describes their modus operandi. —dgiestc 17:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

LocateMe (for articles lacking coordinates)

I started {{LocateMe}}, for putting on talk pages of articles about specific locations, which don't have coordinates, but it needs some additional work, please - a date field (like in "cleanup") and I can't figure out how to get it to put the article, rather than the article's talk page, on which it sits, into the category. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 19:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I added the optional date parameter. Just write it as {{LocateMe|March 2007}} and it will add it. I wasn't sure if you wanted to categorize it by date like with cleanup (Articles needing coordinates from March 2007, etc.) or just have the date as a reference. Also, if you are putting the template on talk pages, I don't think there is a way to put the actual article into the category, as it will add the cat to the page it is transcluded on. I also expanded the wording a little (it looked a little empty), added a link to edit the base page, and put in a different icon. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 21:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. We've had our first success, Great Barr School - I was trying to figure out why it had disappeared from the category page! I think we will need to add the date to the category - I expect there are a lot of untagged pages about places, and I intend to ask for bot help in finding them. Could you do the necessary, please? Andy Mabbett 21:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Come to think of it, does the template belong on talk pages, or on the articles themselves? Andy Mabbett 21:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if its major enough for the article itself. You could ask around at the Wikiproject, the Help Desk, or maybe the Village Pump though. Also, you dated some without the sapce between the month and year. I fixed them, but the category is still there. Just tag it with {{db-author}} and it will get deleted. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 21:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
All noted; thanks again. Andy Mabbett 23:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Update: there seems to be consensus for putting on the article proper; and that seems to have good results, with a high proportion of articles being updated accordingly. Thank you again. Andy Mabbett 18:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Phishing template required

Phishing template required. I noticed at the article Jintropin someone had posted a phishing website http://www.gensci-china.com/green/e-jinsai/web.htm# in the external links, which mimicked the real website http://www.jintropin.cn/ . Notice that the fake website is using a Yahoo email account. I contacted them by email and they want the money tranfered to them by wire only. I gave a warning on the article talk page to people, but readers might miss it. I think we need a phishing template, no doubt there will be others on this article and other articles. thank you EnviroGranny 11:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

If you find a phishing link, you should just remove it and warn the person who added it. Are you suggesting there should be a warning on the article that people might add phishing links? What's to stop someone from removing the warning when they add the link? I doubt it would have much deterrent value. —dgiestc 16:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
It should be placed in the external links the same as the commercial websites warning template. EnviroGranny 18:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking about the same thing as dgies, why tag something when you can just fix it up by your self, tags are WAY overused nowdays Af648 09:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
If you need a warning about spam links, try using {{uw-spam1}}. --KzTalk• Contribs 11:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

the website u runed on is a copy of jintropin-online.com the original gensci website

Requested a template for a Student Government Association

I am trying to build a Wiki article describing the Thomas More College Student Government (Kentucky). Politics have really heated up on campus recently I I would love to add some information on Wikipedia about our orginization so that students who may look here for information (or other interested persons who find the page from the main article Thomas More College (Kentucky)) can find some usefull information.

We have an Executive Council Consisting of:

President Executive Vice-President Vice-President of Finance Vice-President of Programming Vice-President of Public Relations

A Delagation consisting of

12 Resident Students (living on smapus)

12 Communter students — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesonking (talk • contribs)

What articles do you plan to use this in? A template is a something used in multiple pages, but this looks like something only appropriate to the article Thomas More College Student Government (Kentucky), so normally one would just add the content directly to that article. Furthermore, how much do you have to say about the Thomas More College Student Government which would be considered "encyclopedic"? If that's all you have, why not just merge your article into the one on Thomas More College? I ask because articles about organizations which do not show how it satisfies Wikipedia:Notability sometimes get deleted, but your content would be "safer" as part of the article on the college. On the other hand, if you have a lot of encyclopedic content and can show why this is a notable organization, by all means continue to develop it as a separate article. Does that help? —dgiestc 15:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Marist Brothers Schools

Please make a template for Marist Brothers Schools in Australia using the information from here Thanks --58.168.243.50

From looking at that list, it might make sense to create a master navbox for all the Marist schools, sorted by region. I don't think it would be too terribly long. Was there any reason you wanted it to be Australia-specific? —dgiestc 16:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Just looking at the list, the vast majority of schools are based in Australia, so I figured best to start with Australia. I'm soon going to alter the Marist Brothers and this page to list schools by province, so maybe thats a better way to have then in the navbox. --Mattbray 08:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Catholic School Template

We need a template for those who go to Catholic School. We need to feel proud about our schools. It would have a picture of a Catholic School on it. Geojust1 14:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

You want a userbox like this?
This user goes to a Catholic school

I think we need a page for requested userboxes Af648 23:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

That sounds interesting. Perhaps I will make a draft of such a page (a possible shortcut would be WP:RUBX). Funpika 23:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Created WP:RUBX Af648 09:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

While school pride is understandable, the focus of Wikipedia is to work on creating a free encyclopedia. You may not be familiar with the controversy surrounding excessive creation of userboxes or the potential for abuse, but a page for requesting userboxes would not be helpful to the community. Directing requests here, rather than setting up a separate and insular process purely for non-encyclopedic decoration, would be more appropriate. --Michael Snow 04:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

It was because of the amounts of requests for userboxes(and is diverting focus of this page - templates for articles), I have decided to create the requested userbox page. Although we still contribute the encyclopedia, it doesn't mean we can't have fun. Why do we we even need userpages, or this if all we do is write an encyclopedia and for your information, I don't go to a Catholic school or care about school pride. Af648 09:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Why don't we MFD The Wikipediholism test next? Nothing encyclopedic about that. Funpika 10:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Userboxes are suprisingly easy to make. There is almost a whole page devoted to showing how to make one. See WP:UBX#Creating a new userbox for detailed instructions, easy to use templates, and links to pages with colors and icons to use. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 18:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Exactly, it's so easy that anybody can do it, we don't need another page for people to request them. Is there seriously a huge amount of requests coming in to this page? --Michael Snow 18:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Well some people would like other "Pro" people to do it for them because they know other people can make one better. Why do we even need a requested templates page as there is also a page devoted to showing how to make templates? Af648 22:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a huge context issue if you're unfamiliar with the strain and problems caused by userboxes for the wikipedia community in the past. Suffice it to say, it was a huge contentious issue that stretched on for months. Please take a look at some of the archives at Wikipedia talk:Userboxes. There are a lot of reasons, and I couldn't possibly hope to condense the discussion into a single comment, but the core principle is that we are trying to build an encyclopedia. This is the reason for Wikipedia. there are other pages on the internet for social sites, and to display what kind of music you like etc. - cohesion 00:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Who is "some people"? Clearly it's not you. What's the need for a separate page that this page can't handle? Userboxes are just a kind of template, and considering the past history, we don't think a separate page is a good idea. --Michael Snow 00:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
You got me wrong, "some people" is people who dont make templates/userboxes themselfs, anyway,dont be a party pooper, there is nothing wrong with the requested userbox page, does it matter if there is an extra page or not?, why do you insist we on dont need a new page, is there something wrong with that?, userboxes and templates are not the same -> although technically they are, there."there are other pages on the internet for social sites, and to display what kind of music you like etc."- cohesion, well if you read the WP:UP it says ->"Many users like to insert userboxes into their user pages. These are similar to the Babel templates but are usually more about what users do on Wikipedia, what their interests are, their political and religious beliefs, etc. Note that some userboxes also exist in user space, and a directory of them can be found here.", and i checked the archives and i didn't find anything about -> "the strain and problems caused by userboxes for the wikipedia community in the past" Af648 06:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I know it may seem hard to imagine that it caused as much turmoil as it did, but [3] we're not making it up. - cohesion 17:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, but having a page for requesting userboxes would mean what these problems would reccure, policy violation requests will be deleted and only approperiate request will be made Af648 23:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Non neutral - not disputed

I know there's already a "the neutrality of this article is disputed" template message, but what if there is no doubt that an article does not present a neutral point of view due to it being barely more than a stub, but the correct information present gives a limited view of the topic. I suggest something like:


For example, see Bausch & Lomb. This is one instance where this template message would be appropriate and I've actually already used the message on that page. Could we add this to the standard set of template messages? Sancho 17:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC) Actually, I see that this is the wrong place to make this request now... disregard. Sancho 17:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

History of biology

I'm requesting a spiffy navigational template for the bottom of the history of biology article and other related articles. It should include the "see also" articles listed throughout the text at the beginning of sections, as well as the left over see also links at the end of the article. It should also be show/hide-able. --ragesoss 19:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm on it, but can you give more imformation to how indepth the links are or do you want this all inside a navigational template? -> my draft copy of the template Af, BTW there are quite a lot of topics, you might want to create a portal Af648 08:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm just looking for a history of biology template. So basically, one section for all the main history of biology articles that are linked at the top of subsections in history of biology and the "history of..." articles in the "See also" section at the end, plus another section for the "influential biologists" listed at the biology topics list, and one section for experiments in the history of biology (if you leave this a skeleton, I can fill it in; I'd need to do some research to track down all the appropriate articles). Thanks!--ragesoss 21:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, check it out and see if it's more like it. I'm not a bio student so i know little about the history, maybe if you give me the linke you would like to have in each section, i can fill it in for you -> my draft copy of the template. Af648 23:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
It's not bad. Can you make it have the show/hide function? I really like the {{Canada History}} and {{Canada topics}} style.--ragesoss 02:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, hows that -> my draft copy of the template, now we just need the links and maybe a trim Af648 06:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I have it all set now, I think: {{History of biology}}--ragesoss 06:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Status template

I have tried using templates from other users by substuting their name for mine. If anyone can tell me what I am doing Wrong or if you need to make your own please let me know. Cheers Kinglou135 21:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Seems simple enough mine version from my sandbox, change the pic, link and copy it to your userpage :). Af648 07:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

"Publisher" and "Location" fields requested for "cite journal" template

These are needed to reliably a cite a journal article for which no identifying number or code exists, and a location is often necessary to identify publishers outside of the USA, Canada, or Western Europe. It seems to be an omission; cite_news, cite_book, and so on have a publisher parameter, and "publisher" is mentioned in the description of "cite journal" in Wikipedia:Citation_templates. --Randwolf 18:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The request should be made on that page's talk page, or the talk page for the template itself. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

SMSummary - Short Message Summary Template

I am requesting a new template that is a short summary of the article suitable for sending in an SMS message. The template would contain a succinct summary of the article. If possible, it should ensure that the summary is limited to 140 8-bit characters, or 70 16-bit characters.

slw 08:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Templates are for use on multiple pages - and honestly I'm not sure if Wikipedia allows summaries, however if you find out they do you'll problably find out that there's some standard style for them (perhaps there's a summary template or something).danielfolsom 11:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
You're not talking about a template, you're talking about a project. Templates only format text nicely and do the most basic parsing - the text itself has to come from somewhere. Since those summaries don't exist, if you want summaries for articles, especially limited to 140 or 70 characters, you will have to write them yourself before sending that SMS. Templates can't help you in this regard. Nihiltres(t.c.s) 12:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Daniel, I am not sure I understand your comment regarding a project. The SMSummary would be akin to the article Introduction. It would be a very brief summation that would be part of each article. I understand this would be a new section of each article. If you mean that it would be a significant undertaking or project to create these summaries, I concur.

Nihiltres, As I mentioned, I understand these summaries do not yet exist. I would like to encourage contributors to create them. When they do, I would like them these summaries to be easy to identify visually and ideally programmatically. I was hoping templates would make this possible. slw 14:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, so your suggesting a template that would be used on multiple articles - like an infobox except for summaries? (sorry, i thought you meant you just wanted one for the sms article :-D) That changes things - although it also seems like it could be controversial ... if you confirm this, I can gladly create a potential one, but after that you might want to be careful using it - maybe show it to the vilage pump.danielfolsom 14:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Remember - even after I create this be sure to check with the village pump policy, a lot of editors could consider article leads to do the same thing Ok do you mean something like these? (If not just tell me what to change - I don't expect you to like these, just because there are so many variables that go into creation, color, placement, width, ect.)
To Sum It Up
Summary text summary text summary text summary text summary text summary text ...
Article leads should be written in such a way that they could be used for this purpose. It might be worth looking at the first <p> tag in the view of an article generated with action=render (e.g. this page). You'd have to have some heuristics about ignoring things like class=dablink, but it should be possible to extract sentences from the first paragraph for this purpose. Doing this as its own template would still have to deal with people writing text beyond the size limit, so we may as well kill two birds with one stone and get both mobile-ready content and good lead sections. Mike Dillon 14:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Cladobox

See Clado box. A cladogram generated with the clade template is normally in line and blocks a lot of text, when put in a box it looks nice and text flows around it well. When it is put between userboxtop and userboxbottom, the results are almost perfect. It is however not right to use the userbox template. It would be good if there is a generic box template. Please let us know if there is already one. Thanks. Shyamal 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

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