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November 7

Error Message

I keep getting this error message:

{"name":"HTTPError","message":"500","status":500,"detail":"Internal Server Error"}

I have tried different pages, different browsers, different computers. Reguarless, i get the same error message.

I appreciate your help.

THANK-YOU!!!!

Jack Mabry Jacksmabry (talk) 02:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

This appears to be something unrelated to Wikipedia. Have a look at List of HTTP status codes#5xx server errors to see what's your error is all about. INeedSupport ^:3 02:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

A 500 error is the server saying it can't handle the request. It's most likely a temporary glitch on the server (these are often caused by buggy code), but could equally be caused by a bad request. The fact that this error has been reported in JSON says to me that the request might not be a typical one. More examples of when this happens, and why it didn't happen this time, might help. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 03:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Correction of birthday

Shankarsha karade marathi actor birthday is mentioned wrong so how to we edit that? 2409:4042:6EBA:FC82:0:0:B288:8E11 (talk) 02:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

You can just edit the article and add the information along with supporting source. Could you provide the link to the article? I'm not sure which article you are referring to. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Could someone have a look on a draft and help me with sending it for the approval?

Hi! Made a translation for an article in Polish (pl:ESky.pl) at Draft:ESky, because couldn't publish it directly due to lack of editor status. Would somebody help me with appropriate tagging it to be approved? ThePhoenix4 (talk) 10:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I've added the submission template so you can submit it, however, if you were to do so, it would likely be declined quickly, as it just summarizes the routine business activities of the company. Instead, it should primarily summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Note that this may be different from the Polish Wikipedia, which is a separate project with its own editors and policies.

If you are associated with this company, it must be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID ("paid editing" includes employment). 331dot (talk) 10:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@ThePhoenix4: you have already submitted Draft:eSky Group and been asked to show that it meets N:ORG so please don't submit both at the same time. TSventon (talk) 21:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

The lastest recommended method of copying equations from wikipedia pages

Hi there,

I raised this question a few years back and was told to run the following script and I would be able to copy the equations on the wiki pages:

//

(function () {
    $(document).ready(function () {
        mw.loader.using(["mediawiki.util"], function () {
            try {
                var mathSVGs = $(".mwe-math-fallback-image-inline");
                mathSVGs.each(function () {
                    var mathSVG = $(this)[0];
                    mathSVG.src = mathSVG.src.replace('render/svg', 'render/png');
                });
            } catch (error) {
                console.error(error);
            }
        });
    });
})();
// 

Unfortunately, recently the above method seems getting increasingly ineffective, manifested by the majority of equations are missing when pasting the copied webpage into Word.

I tried some Firefox, which is my primary browser, plugins such as MathJax but none of them worked.

I'm wondering if there is a recommended method by Wikipedia to copy the equations? My usage of the copied contents is sheerly personal study.

BTW, I'm a regular donator of Wikipedia.

Your prompt reply will be much appreciated.

Regards,

Shan Farhill (talk) 11:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Farhill As an editor, I thank you for donating money to the Foundation, but that money goes to the Foundation for its activties (like operating the computers Wikipedia is on). We editors don't see the money, and telling us that you donate doesn't influence day to day activities like discussions. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

The bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering has a Math setting but I don't know whether another choice will help you. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Farhill: For a technical matter such as this, try asking at WP:VPT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

What criteria does this article fall in under speedy deletion.

NOTE: the wikiproject this article exist in which is the si.wikipedia.org has the same WP:DP as en.wikipedia (just translated). But asking here to get a more experienced opinion.
The article si:අත්තරගම රාජගුරු බංඩාර a person declared as a poet of the kingdom of kandy era, was made in 2014. up until now, the only content in the article was that same sentence "this person is a poet of kandy kingdom era". even that is tagged as not confirmed. Does this article meet any criteria for deletion? VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 14:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Each wiki has its own rules, you will need to consult the deletion policies there. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@VihirLak007 You say that the si:Wikipedia has the same deletion policies as en:Wikipedia. In that case, you can read the detailed criteria at WP:CSD. Such an article here could also be prodded if the deletion were uncontroversial but the criteria for speedy deletion were not met. However, your safest course of action is to consult a suitable forum on si:, since as already advised we have are not fully aware of their policies. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull @Tutwakhamoe Thanks! VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 16:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

VihirLak007 en Wikipedia has a template {{Unreferenced}} which populates Category:All articles lacking sources, which shows that unreferenced articles are not always deleted, so you may need to look at the si versions of WP:DEL-REASON, WP:BIO and WP:AFD. TSventon (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

COI?

I joined Bluesky late in the summer of 2024, when it was an invite-only service. Do I have a conflict of interest with the platform? — 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ ^{(CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST)} 15:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Joined as a user or developer? If you are a user, then there's no conflict of interest. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Pronunciation help

I'm not sure if this is the right place, but could someone please add {{IPAc-en}} and {{respell}} for the Tenh Dẕetle Conservancy article? I'm not familiar with the use of these templates. BC Parks gives the pronunciation of Tenh Dẕetle as "Ten-thet-luh" here. Volcanoguy 17:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done INeedSupport ^:3 18:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Correcting a statement consistently mistranslated by (otherwise) reliable sources

My question is what to do if all English sources contain the same mistranslation of a statement made in Hebrew and a video of the original statement and reliable Hebrew sources with the correct transcription are available.

The articles on Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip (2023–present) and Yoav Gallant (and possibly others as well) refer to the widely reported quote from Yoav Gallant on 9 October 2023 that he ordered a "complete siege on the Gaza Strip". Many (otherwise) reliable sources are cited. Unfortunately, this appears to be a mistranslation. In the cited YouTube video and the video embedded in the cited Al Jazeera articles (1, 2)), Gallant very clearly says העיר עזה, "Gaza City" or "the city of Gaza", not רצועת עזה, the Gaza Strip. This is confirmed by reliable Hebrew sources, e.g. this Haaretz article. The YouTube video says "the city of Gaza" in the subtitles; the Al Jazeera articles just say "Gaza"; but all sources quote and report the announcement as if it referred to the entire Gaza Strip. For instance, the cited article in the Times of Israel (which might have been expected to provide a correct translation of the Hebrew) says "Gaza" in the title but "the Gaza Strip" in the direct quotation in the text.

I'm wondering how this should be fixed. I worry that if I just change the quote and add Hebrew sources, people will look it up in the English sources and change it back. Removing the English sources and citing only Hebrew sources doesn't solve the problem, either – (the wrong version of) the quote is so well-known that someone is bound to add English sources if only Hebrew sources are cited. I'm wondering whether the mistranslation itself is notable enough to discuss it in the article (in which case both English and Hebrew sources could be cited to illustrate the issue). This might be appropriate in the article on the blockade, where such a public (mis)perception of the article's topic is itself an appropriate subject of the article, but it seems a bit less appropriate in the article on Gallant himself, which should simply quote him correctly. Any advice would be much appreciated.

(To avoid misunderstandings: I think Gallant is a war criminal; I'm certainly not doing this to defend him or the Israeli government; but even (and perhaps especially) in writing about war criminals we should be precise.)

Joriki (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:When sources are wrong. It has good advice. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 18:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I think changing Gaza Strip to Gaza City could help. Adding the references you gave would help as well. However, the entire Gaza strip was affected by the blockade, not just Gaza City itself. Mentioning the entire strip was affected instead of Gaza City alone after the blockade was implemented would sort out the confusion. INeedSupport ^:3

Article rejection

Someone please article Draft:Meru Khavas was rejected many times from for creation 2409:40F4:3040:A3FD:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 18:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at the reason why it was rejected. Some of your sources barely mentions Meru Khavas, which wouldn't be a good source. Also, the writing style of the article appears to show support to him, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. For example, "freed the Kutch ships from their terror" means that the Kutch are the bad guys. However, that shows biases against them. Instead, it should be stated that the Kutch are the opposition to Khavas and Khavas successfully won the war against them. We want to have a neutral point of view for articles to prevent biases.

Try to expand on the buildings Meru Khavas built and how they blocked off pirates. How did the buildings work? INeedSupport ^:3 19:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

The first comment says This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). You need to show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. If you can't do that, then it doesn't really matter whether the article is well or badly written. TSventon (talk) 20:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Declaration of Interest? Translation? Narrative Reconciliation?

Hi, I'm a user who joined as an undergrad for a project. I'm now a grad student studying abroad in Italy and have some questions about how to proceed about translating this italian article, since I would like to include a geology section. However, I have an interest to declare - a recent ancestor lived there - it's what drew me to the place, and now it's an interesting case for me to study as well. I hope that isn't disqualifying? And if it's iffy, maybe I could just write a geology section?

Anyway it suffered horribly in the two recent mid-Apennine earthquakes and when I visited last year it was leveled with the ground, minus the church. If I were writing the article from scratch, I would list it as a 'ghost town' and include satellite photos, etc but the italian article is decisively optimistic about its evacuated (but still registered) population. there is no space for 71 people to live amongst the rubble, but I'm hesitant to openly contradict the italian piece, even in tone. I don't want to confuse people either.

What is your advice?

Tcort2018 (talk) 18:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia reports what is reported in reliable sources, not what editors find out after their own examination of the subject. If you can find a source to back up the claims that the town is abandoned, then there's no reason to not add it. However, in its current cited state, the article without the claim that it is still abandoned would be perfectly acceptable, as Wikipedia tells what is reported, not what is necessarily true. Departure– (talk) 19:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

As for a potential conflict of interest, you are not barred from editing the article of the city you live in as just a resident (unless you're working for the city itself, like this, which I'm assuming you aren't). Departure– (talk) 19:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

As this would be your first article, you could read Help:Your first article. There is some guidance on translating from another Wikipedia at Help:Translation. Different Wikipedia projects have different rules, and articles in en Wikipedia have to follow en Wikipedia's rules. TSventon (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Removal of the entire section on 'Works' from the WIKI entry of Seta B. Dadoyan

This is Prof. Seta B. Dadoyan, scholar and prolific author, also painter. In June 2024, I noticed that my WIKI entry (that was made over a decade ago, perhaps more, I learned much later) needed serious updating, as many publications and other developments were missing. When I tried to contact a "WIKI editor" and suggested a complete and more accurate list of 'Works - to be added by a WIKI writer - I was harshly encountered by an 'X' editor, who not only threatened but also mutilated the entry by removing ALL the works, under the pretext of "lack of references, for already published works by major publishers (???), and "conflict of interest."

All subsequent contacts and promises by a certain "editor" 1AmNobody24 were smoke in the air. People and colleagues who search me on Google, find a mutilated entry, a scholar with NO WORKS, and otherwise no reference to role and perspectives. The entry looks vandalized!

WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST I SHOULD DO to restore a decent entry?

SBD 69.121.114.43 (talk) 19:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Seta Dadoyan

You do not own your articles (see the policy for that here).

You should read the policy on conflict of interest at Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest - you are strongly discouraged from editing the article on yourself. As for the text itself, the removal's edit summary read Formatting issues - this is a wall of text and the length is excessive in any case; should cover notable publications only.

The Manual of Style dictates how articles on Wikipedia should typically be written for consistency and other reasons. Your edit was a copy-and-paste of every work you have created, regardless of notability. Each entry should be notable enough for entry in a scholar's article in the same way that every city in a country should be notable enough for a place in that country's article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, nor is it a scientific journal or textbook, nor a directory. If you choose to update the article again, make a request on the article's talk page (Talk:Seta Dadoyan) and explain what needs to change and why. Not everything belongs on Wikipedia, but there may be sources to indicate the verifiability of certain works you've created - feel free to request those works to be added. Departure– (talk) 19:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

You may find WP:About you and our FAQ for article subjects useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Note also that maintaining an up-to-date list of works is fairly tedious and labor-intensive, and our editors are volunteers with better things to do with their time. It's also unnecessary, because there are multiple professionally-maintained databases that list all of your works. We link to these databases in the "Authority control" section at the bottom of the article. -Arch dude (talk) 03:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

how to create my name and details in Wikipedia?

how to create my name and details in Wikipedia? Do I need to pay for it. If yes how to do that? Avrjaya (talk) 22:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

The short answer is you don't. Wikipedia is explicitly not social media and not a place to write about yourself

And anyone who says they will do it for you for money is a scammer. It doesn't work that way either. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

The short answer is....you don't. Please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a database of people that exist. Wikipedia is interested in what independent reliable sources say about a topic, not what it says about itself. Please.use social media to tell the world about yourself. 331dot (talk) 22:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

great minds... Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Step 1: Become famous (or infamous). Step 2: Wait til some editor gets around to writing an article about you. Step 3: Celebrate! Clarityfiend (talk) 04:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

What to do with apparent unsourced material

Not an issue for Help desk. Referred elsewhere.

An another user removes (my) additions of the "citations needed" template; Also continuously reverts the removal of uncited material, which I removed on the basis that the removed material was completely unsourced, as per Wikipedia:Content removal. The article of topic is the Origin of Hangul article, where this whole part of a section is completely unsourced. (this is the article's part where the user is arguing for being sourced)

Text about the origin of hangul

"" Although the Hunmin jeong-eum haerye (hereafter Haerye) explains the design of the consonantal letters in terms of articulatory phonetics, it also states that Sejong adapted them from the enigmatic 古篆字 "Gǔ Seal Script". The identity of this script has long been puzzling. The primary meaning of the character 古 gǔ is "old", so 古篆字 gǔ zhuànzì has traditionally been interpreted as "Old Seal Script", frustrating philologists, because the Korean alphabet bears no functional similarity to Chinese 篆字 zhuànzì seal scripts. However the character 古 gǔ also functions as a phonetic component of 蒙古 Měnggǔ "Mongol". Indeed, records from Sejong's day played with this ambiguity, joking that "no one is older (more 古 gǔ) than the 蒙古 Měng-gǔ". From palace records that 古篆字 gǔ zhuànzì was a veiled reference to the 蒙古篆字 měnggǔ zhuànzì "Mongol Seal Script", that is, a formal variant of the Mongol ʼPhags-pa alphabet of the Yuan dynasty (1271-1368) that had been modified to look like the Chinese seal script, and which had been an official script of the empire.[citation needed] There were ʼPhags-pa manuscripts in the Korean palace library from the Yuan Dynasty government, including some in the seal-script form, and several of Sejong's ministers knew the script well. If this was the case, Sejong's evasion on the Mongol connection can be understood in light of the political situation in the Ming Dynasty. The topic of the recent Mongol domination of China, which had ended just 75 years earlier, was politically sensitive, and both the Chinese and Korean literati regarded the Mongols as barbarians with nothing to contribute to a civilized society.[citation needed] It is postulated that the Koreans adopted five core consonant letters from ʼPhags-pa, namely ㄱ g [k], ㄷ d [t], ㅂ b [p], ㅈ j [ts], and ㄹ l [l]. These were the consonants basic to Chinese phonology, rather than the graphically simplest letters (ㄱ g [k], ㄴ n [n], ㅁ m [m], and ㅅ s [s]) taken as the starting point by the Haerye. A sixth letter, the null initial ㅇ, was invented by Sejong. The rest of the consonants were developed through featural derivation from these six, essentially as described in the Haerye; a resemblance to speech organs was an additional motivating factor in selecting the shapes of both the basic letters and their derivatives.[citation needed] Although several of the basic concepts of the Korean alphabet may have been inherited from Indic phonology through the ʼPhags-pa script, such as the relationships among the homorganic consonants, Chinese phonology played a major role. Besides the grouping of letters into syllables, in functional imitation of Chinese characters, Ledyard argues that[citation needed] it was Chinese phonology, not Indic, that determined which five consonants were basic, and were therefore to be retained from ʼPhags-pa. These included the plain stop letters, ꡂ g [k] for ㄱ g [k], ꡊ d [t] for ㄷ d [t], and ꡎ b [p] for ㅂ b [p], which were basic to Chinese theory, but which represented voiced consonants in the Indic languages and were not basic in the Indic tradition. The other two letters were the plain sibilant ꡛ s [s] for ㅈ j [ts] (ㅈ was pronounced [ts] in the fifteenth century, as it still is in North Korea) and the liquid ꡙ l [l] for ㄹ l [l]. In order to maintain the Chinese convention of initial and rime, Sejong and his ministers needed a null symbol to refer to the lack of a consonant with an initial vowel. He chose the circle ㅇ with the subsequent derivation of the glottal stop ㆆ ʼ [ʔ], by adding a vertical top stroke by analogy with the other stops, and the aspirate ㅎ h [h], parallel the account in the Haerye. (Perhaps the reason he created a new letter rather than adopting one from ʼPhags-pa was that it was awkward to write these Chinese initials in ʼPhags-pa, where ㅇ and ㆆ were both written as digraphs beginning with y, ꡭꡝ and ꡗꡖ.) However, Ledyard's explanation[citation needed] of the letter ㆁ ng [ŋ] differs from the Haerye account; he sees it as a fusion of velar ㄱ g and null ㅇ, reflecting its variable pronunciation. The Korean alphabet was designed not just to write Korean, but to accurately represent Chinese. Many Chinese words historically began with [ŋ], but by Sejong's day this had been lost in many regions of China, and was silent when these words were borrowed into Korean, so that [ŋ] only remained at the middle and end of Korean words. The expected shape of a velar nasal, the short vertical stroke (⃓) that would be left by removing the top stroke of ㄱ g, had the additional problem that it would have looked almost identical to the vowel ㅣ i [i]. Sejong's solution solved both problems: The vertical stroke left from ㄱ g was added to the null symbol ㅇ to create ㆁ ng, iconically capturing both regional pronunciations as well as being easily legible. Eventually the graphic distinction between the two silent initials ㅇ and ㆁ was lost, as they never contrasted in Korean words. Another letter composed of two elements to represent two regional pronunciations, now obsolete, was ㅱ, which transcribed the Chinese initial 微. This represented either m or w in various Chinese dialects, and was composed of ㅁ [m] plus ㅇ. In ʼPhags-pa, a loop under a letter, ꡧ, represented [w] after vowels, and Ledyard proposes[citation needed] this rather than the null symbol was the source of the loop at the bottom, so that the two components of ㅱ reflected its two pronunciations just as the two components of ㆁ ng did. The reason for suspecting that this derives from ʼPhags-pa ꡧ w is that the entire labio-dental series of both ʼPhags-pa and the hangul, used to transcribe the Chinese initials 微非敷 w, v, f, have such composite forms, though in the case of ʼPhags-pa these are all based on the letter ꡜ h (ꡤ etc.), while in hangul, which does not have an h among its basic consonants, they are based on the labial series ㅁ m, ㅂ b, ㅍ p. An additional letter, the 'semi-sibilant' ㅿ z, now obsolete, has no explanation in either Ledyard or the Haerye. It also had two pronunciations in Chinese, as a sibilant and as a nasal (approximately [ʑ] and [ɲ]) and so, like ㅱ for [w] ~ [m] and ㆁ for ∅ ~ [ŋ], may have been a composite of existing letters. As a final piece of evidence, Ledyard notes[citation needed] that, with two exceptions, hangul letters have the simple geometric shapes expected of invention: ㄱ g [k] was the corner of a square, ㅁ m [m] a full square, ㅅ s [s] a chevron, ㅇ a circle. In the Hunmin Jeong-eum, before the influence of the writing brush made them asymmetrical, these were purely geometric. The exceptions were ㄷ d [t] and ㅂ b [p], which had more complex geometries and were two of the forms adopted from ʼPhags-pa. For example, ㄷ d [t] wasn't a simple half square, but even in the Hunmin Jeong-eum had a lip protruding from the upper left corner, just as ʼPhags-pa ꡊ d did, and as Tibetan ད d did before that. If the ʼPhags-pa theory is valid, then the graphic base of Hangul consonants is part of the great family of alphabets that spread from the Phoenician alphabet, through Aramaic, Brāhmī, and Tibetan (though the derivation of Brahmi from Aramaic/Phoenician is also tenuous; see the Semitic-model hypothesis for Brahmi). However, this is only one component of its derivation.""

This section of the article has had the "More citations needed section" template up since June 2019, alongside it being plastered with the template way before I first got there, and by the looks of it the user reverting my removals & and my previous "citations needed" edits has been asserting for this "theory" of the section since 2008, while reverting any previous attempts of the removal of non-sourced material by other users. I have tried talking to this user with no results; The user claims that the article is cited and that I have no grounds for content removal/flagging. I believe that this would be unsourced and also very speculative material - and would like to either remove the material on the basis that it is unsourced, or at least put citations needed tags on dubious claims, but as I am new to Wikipedia, I would very much like to request for an admin to shed some light on this. Thanks. Daldidandal (talk) 22:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

The help desk is not really the place to go when looking for admin intervention in a dispute. This looks more suited to WP:ANI if you want that, but the short answer is that you and @Kwamikagami: should probably be discussing this on the talk page, which I note has not been used in exactly two years. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Aight. Good to know. Daldidandal (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Daldidandal, when you ask some administrator to "shed some light" on the matter, I infer that you're hoping that some level-headed person knowing their way around the labyrinth of Wikipedia guidelines will give you advice on the rights and wrongs and the best course of action. A sensible request, except that administrators certainly don't have a monopoly of the combination of level-headedness and expertise; and thus there's no need to ask for an administrator. As for "admin intervention in a dispute", plenty of editors are willing to intervene in disputes and administrators are among them; but administrators put on their "administrator" hats only for particular kinds of action, not in order to pull rank. (Administrators are not moderators. Wikipedia does not have moderators.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Pages with Dropper.YA Trojans

20202_Unted States_presidential_election_in_penssylvania.pdf has a Dropper.YA trojan

A month ago the SQL page had the same trojan

What is being done to fix it? 85.237.194.225 (talk) 23:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Where are you seeing this virus issue? As far as I'm aware Wikipedia does not host pdf files directly. TiggerJay (talk) 03:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I suspect OP means 2020 United States presidential election in Pennsylvania. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

If it is one of the external links or cites, there is not much that Wikipedia can do about it because it is hosted on someone else's website. However, could you be more specific about which link is causing the problem?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

If it is an external link, then this link can be removed. The OP might care to provide us with the entire URL of this rogue PDF. -- Hoary (talk) 10:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I did take a look at all of the external links and none have "20202" nor "pennsylvania.pdf" in their link name -- so I'm not sure its an EL. Additional page history shows no changes since they reported this. Perhaps they typed the file name manually, and mean the pdf they create when they click the Download as PDF link, but that appears to work fine, so last ditch effort might be that they have an infected computer that is impacting files they're downloading. But without a specific reference to where they saw it (possibly on another page or even another website, because we've seen that before), there probably isn't anymore that can be done. TiggerJay (talk) 15:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

November 8

Newspapers.com

Hello. I recently got renewed access to Newspapers.com through the WikimediaLibrary (hurrah) and it was working fine until yesterday when I can't access it again. Could someone please point me in the right direction to ask about this - I deleted the email thread about it once it was sorted and I can't remember where to go. Thanks BJCHK (talk) 09:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@BJCHK You can post at WT:TWL, where that sort of issue normally gets resolved. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Search not working on main page using Chrome

Wikipedia looks normal when I open it, but the search function doesn't work at all. This has been happening during the last two days. Seems to work fine using Edge. Can't believe no one else has this problem! 8 Nov 2024 2603:6010:9501:2500:DD80:98E0:64CA:2E36 (talk) 11:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

What goes wrong? If there is no search box then look for a magnifying glass icon at top. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I use Chrome (on a laptop) and the search function appears to work as normal for me. If you don't get a helpful response here, you can try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

It sounds like it might be a specific problem on your computer, as I have tried it on several different systems that run Chrome. However, since you are referring to a search box, this is often where your plug-in/extensions will interact with a page, such as password autofill, grammar checkers, etc., for that reason, perhaps try disabling all of your Chrome extensions and see if that solves your problem, if it does, then slowly add them back in until you discover which one is causing the problem. TiggerJay (talk) 15:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You might need to clear up some cache in your Chrome browser. INeedSupport ^:3 18:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

How many readers, and percentage figures (thanks)

I'm not sure how to read the numbers, and have read varying tallies and estimates, so would like to know an accurate count/percentage to quote when needed:

1) How many individual readers view English Wikipedia daily? (average or approximate) Does a count correctly reflect each individual reader or does it add '1' each time a different page is clicked (even if by the same reader)?

2) What percentage of these readers view English Wikipedia on mobile and how many on desktop/laptop?

Thanks ahead of time. As a p.s., the 'Help' button at the top of my watchpage goes to MediaWiki and not to a relevant Wikipedia in-house page, which seems counter-productive (maybe a Wikipedia page can provide this information?). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

[1] may be of help, I think there's a filter for mobile and the like. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Walter Coy article

Instead of Mr. Coy the posted photo shows Jeff Morrow from his appearance in The Sign of the Pagan, 1954 2601:8C:4700:3800:FCF4:340E:9E99:9D43 (talk) 14:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your observation. Do you have a link or some other citation to establish what you're claiming? From a quick search, the photo currently shown for Coy [2] certainly does not look like it is from the Sign of the Pagan movie. I can see how they do appear to have some similar features and were active during the same years. TiggerJay (talk) 15:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

using push pin map to demarcate area and perimeter

I came across this article recently which uses push_pin parameters to locate the school in the infobox.
I noticed the perimeter of the school's grounds are demarcated but on exploring the infobox source I cannot see where the push pin map is getting the data for the boundaries.

Can anyone help explain through which process one would go about creating such a map that included perimeters? Thanks! Jo Jc Jo^{Talk💬Edits📝} 15:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jo Jc Jo: See mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer/OSM. The data is from https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1299385063 which says "wikidata Q24995263". "In other projects" under "Tools" at Bogaerts International School also links there on "Wikidata item". Surprisingly, the Wikidata item does not link to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1299385063. It doesn't have to. Kartographer gets data from OpenStreetMap by itself and detects the connection to the Wikipedia article. I think that it's not because OpenStreetMap links the Wikipedia article but because they both link the same Wikidata item. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Table rowspan interaction with headings may have changed in Chrome

I noticed that Bitwise_operation#Truth_table_for_all_binary_logical_operators had alignment issues in Chrome and resolved it. While the rowspan attribute on the divider cells was large enough to include the bottom heading row, it didn't affect it. Using up-to-date browsers without extensions, this is impacting Chrome but not Safari or Firefox.

Because the historical page versions are rendering in the same broken way as the live page before I edited it, I believe it was a relatively recent change in Chrome. I tried searching the internet and didn't find any discussion of whatever the change may have been.

Playing around with the table, it looks like if I reduce one rowspan from 6 to 5 and add a normal non-header data cell into that bottom header, the other rowspan=6 works fine and includes a gap in that bottom header. But if there are no normal cells in that header row, then both rowspan=6 behave as if they were rowspan=5.

I'm posting here for three reasons. 1. This behavior isn't mentioned on Help:Table and related pages. I don't know if it should be. 2. I don't know if this is something that Chrome would consider to be a bug, and therefore if it should be reported. 3. If this is a permanent change that may affect multiple pages, someone might want to look for and fix other instances, if there are any. Solid kalium (talk) 16:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Solid kalium: Your edit made no change for me (except for adding some cell borders) in Google Chrome on Windows 10. Have you enabled Make headers of tables display as long as the table is in view, i.e. "sticky" near the bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets? The gadget alters table header rows but it can cause tables to become malformed when there are rowspans involving those cells. Different browsers may react differently to a malformed table. Or do you have a Chrome feature which tries to make sticky headers by itself? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thanks! That was indeed the issue. I was signed out in the other browsers.

I've removed the borders I added. Interestingly, the header for that table isn't sticky with or without that setting enabled. Solid kalium (talk) 19:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Why are people allowed to write lies on my wikipedia about me. I want to rectify this

why are people allowed to write lies about me. I want to make my account accurate. 2A00:23C6:E787:D01:9846:14FD:87D3:141F (talk) 16:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

If you have particular concerns about libel written on your page, you can go to WP:BLPN and explain your situation in better detail there for a volunteer to assist you. Otherwise, Wikipedia is not censored and if the "lies" turn out to be backed up by reliable sources and given their proper weight in the article, they're likely to stay. Please do not edit your own article directly, unless the edits are obviously vandalism. Departure– (talk) 17:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Assuming this is Louise Robey it's not a matter of people being allowed to write lies about you. Wikipedia doesn't necessarily document what is true but rather what can be verified by reliable secondary sources. These include this source - which is the basis for the statement on the Louise Robey page. Simonm223 (talk) 17:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, I just added that source a few minutes ago. The statement was previously unsourced. But it's repeated in a lot of other places too, such in as the blurb for Stan Shaffer's posthumous 2010 book and several social media accounts claiming to represent Louise Robey. AntiDionysius (talk) 17:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

What is your account, then? Please log in to it to post. Bishonen | tålk 17:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC).

Presumably "account" as in "A record of events; a relation or narrative.". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You may find WP:About you and our FAQ for article subjects useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Hacked accounts

I need help for hacked accounts please help I’m suffering from 2022 up to date there are many users and unknown devices in my account they have full access 149.54.37.34 (talk) 18:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You are not currently logged in to an account. If you have an account and you suspect it to be compromised, please see WP:HACKED. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Several hurricane remembrance templates need to be fixed

I recently created several hurricane or storm related userboxes and want to make some more. But the templates of User remember Gilbert and the User remember Gordon didn't turn out proper for some unknown reasons. Can somebody please help me revamp these templates and make both of them show properly according to Style Manuals? I intend to create other Hurricane or storm remembrance userboxes. Please help me. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 19:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Publish Changes Button not Working

Every time that I have gone to use the publish changes button on the slender-billed vulture page after making my edits to the page, the top bar that shows the loading just loads forever and it never publishes. I can still edit the summary for some reason, but I can't exit out of it either to get back to the page. The only way out of it is to reload the page which deletes anything I added. What should I do? Thatcrypticrobyn (talk) 21:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Thatcrypticrobyn: I don't see anything that should be preventing you from editing - the page is not protected and there doesn't seem to be any unusual code on it, and I was able to edit it. Clearly you can edit other pages, though, so I don't think it's a software problem. You also have no entries in your filter log. I've made a copy of the page at Draft:Slender-billed vulture, can you try to make your edit to that page? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ivanvector hm- this is so odd. So I logged out and back in to try one more time, and this time it worked on the original page, however I left some bolded content that I forgot to undo so I went to make another edit to fix it, which immediately started having the same problem. The only way I could fix that one was going to the source mode and sending it through as a minor edit through there, which finally worked. Thatcrypticrobyn (talk) 21:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Thatcrypticrobyn You now seem to have made an edit to slender-billed vulture, so I assume the issue is now resolved. Note that you should add cited sources for each statement as you proceed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Thatcrypticrobyn: hmm, I don't know the ins-and-outs of the visual editor very well, but maybe its code is getting stuck on something. Maybe there's an update in progress, or a recent change introduced a bug, or maybe an extension you're running is interfering with it. You might get better advice by posting at the village pump for technical issues. Hopefully you find a resolution soon, and sorry I couldn't be of more help. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

question about vandalism warnings and reporting to AIV

An account (Sdfdsa) was recently created, and it made an edit to Susie Wiles, that was the same as a reverted change by an IP user (72.77.35.159). As I believe that the user account was created in attempt to mask or hide the warning, should I count this warning as a warning when reporting the account to AIV? owuh (talk | she/her) 21:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ow0cast I would be cautious about this. The content removed from the lead is not mentioned in the body text and hence is not a valid summary, as WP:LEAD says it should be. Hence it is arguably a perfectly reasonable change and not necessarily WP:VANDALISM. You would be better to handle this by engaging in a discussion on the Talk Page of the article well before going to AIV. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Understood, I was just going off of previous edits. I will of course go to the Talk Page before going to AIV, and was more asking for future reference. owuh (talk | she/her) 22:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ow0cast Note also the Finkbeiner test, which may have been one of the reasons not to have that comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull, I am reminded a bit about a possible reverse Finkbeiner test which is mentioned in that article. Consider Henry Way Kendall who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1990. That is an article that I helped expand. Under this theory, his Wikipedia biography should focus entirely on his physics research with no mention of his possibly testosterone related avocations. Kendall was also an influential peace activist, and a highly accomplished diver and mountaineer. Given that he died at age 72 in a diving accident, failing to discuss his significant diving activities a half a century earlier would be a disservice to our readers, in my view. A well rounded life deserves a well rounded Wikipedia biography, in my opinion. Cullen328 (talk) 10:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The point here is whether the lead should use the phrase "she will be the first woman to...". There is an essay about that at WP:WAW. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Women dive and climb mountains, too. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes they do, Pigsonthewing. I am the primary author of Miriam O'Brien Underhill. I also contributed to Arlene Blum and took the 1977 photo of her. Cullen328 (talk) 19:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

November 9

Formatting fixes to closed discussions

Checking if instructions like "The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it." on an archived talk page discussion (e.g. an RfC or FA review) include correcting formatting or indentation to make it more legible. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I would say in 99.5% of the cases it should be left completely unmodified even for things that otherwise make sense such as formatting. Especially in the case you're talking about it can actually change how replies and responses were intended. Sometimes the actual discussion ends up with messy formatting, but people are also actively reading and responding within that context, not the modified one you might put forward even with good intentions. An example of where I just today did edit a "closed" discussion was to revert someone who replied today to a closed discussion -- of course that doesn't belong there because it was never part of the discussion. TiggerJay (talk) 00:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Closed Limelike Curves: WP:IAR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Quincy Jones

no mention of music legend's death on the main page - why? Weberchas (talk) 12:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Weberchas It has been nominated but there is concern about the quality of the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Weberchas (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk:List of pholidotans

Discussion has stalled for 8 days, and it seems pretty evident that no comments are likely to come. I tried to request closure at Wikipedia:Closure requests but I have been ignored for some reason. I'm not sure why that's the case because the appropriate 7-day timeframe has passed, and it seems unnecessary to keep this inactive, non-contentious, and seemingly resolved discussion going. I'm not sure of what I should do, therefore I require some assistance with this situation. If you can close this discussion, please do. Wolverine X-eye ^{(talk to me)} 15:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't agree with the characterisation of the CR thread as I have been ignored. I'm also not sure I'm seeing the seeming resolution. It looks like there are two proposed merge targets and an attempted redirect as well? I see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals has already been notified. Someone at CR will implement a close eventually if the discussion remains inactive, so maybe patience is the best advice here.

What is your view on the consensus generated by this discussion? I'm genuinely not understanding, perhaps due to subject matter inexpertise. Folly Mox (talk) 18:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(commented at list article talk --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC))

Quick reminder that WP:MERGECLOSE suggests that the length of discussion is "7 days or more", ten days isn't really a length of time to be worried about the close. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:37, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

A link on the semi-protected redirects category page is inproperly spelled

The link for to the social deduction game Among Us is written as, "amogus" Hail~Fire 15:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Hailfire150394: The link in Category:Wikipedia semi-protected redirects is not written as "amogus" which goes to the top of Among Us. It's not possible to list piped links in categories. It says Amogus which redirects to the section Among Us#Memes and mods where "amogus" is mentioned, one of eight occurrences on the page (including references). There is nothing wrong. It even has an entry at wiktionary:amogus. Even it had actually been a misspelling which wasn't mentioned in the article, it would still be correct to list it in the category when the redirect is semi-protected. We have numerous redirects from misspellings, mainly to help searchers who make the same misspelling. Category:Redirects from misspellings has 56,000 redirects (many others aren't categorized), but not Amogus since it's intentionally written like that. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh I think I know where I got confused from. It's because of the fact it's a redirect. I was treating it as if it was the proper link to the page. Hail~Fire 00:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Lyricists, Song Writers, Poets, Composers, Musicians, Musical Instrument Innovators

Not an issue for Help desk. Referred elsewhere.

Is there or why isn't there a Library in the USA dedicated to exclusively those men & women who have been and are ICONS in the Music Industry, regardless their National Origin, gender and regardless the music genre'? Is there such a Library in existence, now?, which I am not aware about? MyMarue (talk) 20:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, this is the help desk for Wikipedia, it is for questions about how to use this website. We do take more general/random questions like this over at the reference desk and there are also other websites that have forums for discussions like this. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

ALL "redlinks" are blue - PLEASE help

• Courtesy link: discussion on 1 November is archived at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 November 1#Red Links are All blue now. TSventon (talk) 22:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I asked for help with this problem before and nobody even believed me. I need genuine technical help. ALL links that should be red on all of wikipedia are blue. Every single one of them, with no exception whatsoever. This has been going on for over a week and I have not seen one single red-colored link in that time, but I have wasted a lot of time clicking on blue links that gave me the this-page-does-not-exist error message. I am NOT talking about redirects. I am NOT talking about links that display a name different from the article they link to. I am talking about links which have the word "redlink" in their url when I mouseover them, and display this error message when I click on them: "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for [Bitumenpicus minimus] in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings. You need to log in or create an account and be autoconfirmed to create new articles. Alternatively, you can use the article wizard to submit a draft for review, or request a new article. Search for "Bitumenpicus minimus" in existing articles. Look for pages within Wikipedia that link to this title. Other reasons this message may be displayed: If a page was recently created here, it may not be visible yet because of a delay in updating the database; wait a few minutes or try the purge function. Titles on Wikipedia are case sensitive except for the first character; please check alternative capitalizations and consider adding a redirect here to the correct title. If the page has been deleted, check the deletion log, and see Why was the page I created deleted?" Someone demanded that I list EVERY SINGLE link that looks like this to prove I wasn't lying. I compiled a very long list of links as examples, but I can't find the conversation now. Please, I need technical help, NOT people calling me a liar. This makes it extremely difficult to browse Wikipedia because I waste an enormous amount of time clicking on blue links that should be red. 98.240.217.220 (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Try quitting your browser and reopening it.

If that does not help, restart your device.

Whatever the outcome of each step, please come here afterwards and tell us. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

IP editor I have posted a link to your previous query at the top of this section. Were you able to follow the (somewhat technical) advice provided? TSventon (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your the link, TSventon. I had been unable to reach the page at all after my last post there, so I didn't see any further replies. I have an older browser and the advice about reprogramming the CSS programming language is beyond my comprehension, unfortunately. I don't even know what CSS is. Is there a way for me to stop using "Vector 2022"? 98.240.217.220 (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

There are suggestions for turning off the new skin at Wikipedia:Vector 2022#Without an account. TSventon (talk) 22:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow that browser add-on fixed everything! Thank you TSventon! 2601:441:5000:13E0:7063:9715:54DE:9B3A (talk) 22:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

And simultaneously my IP address changed too (I was 98.240.217.220) 2601:441:5000:13E0:7063:9715:54DE:9B3A (talk) 22:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I am happy to give most of the credit to the editors who did responded to the previous question. TSventon (talk) 23:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

You can also create an account (easy and free) and set the skin to Vector legacy (2010) at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Then you don't need a browser add-on. The blue links are a possible sign that you have an old browser which doesn't work with the way Vector 2022 makes red links. By the way, we only asked for one example. You then linked a page and said all links were blue there but we wanted a specific example to avoid possible misunderstandings. Then you posted many specific examples. We only needed one. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello

I'm new to Wikipedia. It's my first time reverting an IP address's edit for improperly or uncited material, and I want to know if I've done good. Please look at my last 3 edits apart from making this question. Size5football (talk) 22:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything in your revert or your message on their talk page that is inappropriate. Welcome to the project. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem Thank you very much. May I ask what project this is? Size5football (talk) 23:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia. It's commonly referred to as the project by regulars. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thank you very much, @Ad Orientem. Have a good rest of your day. Size5football (talk) 23:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Refs, Sources, Citations

This was a bit long running question i had. I have seen sources and citations subsections under reference section. And sometimes references and sources in their own sections. like wise is there a hierarchy for these? like what comes under what section or is it random. (regarding references, citations, sources, notes, external links, see more, bibliography etc). is there a guideline concerning these? VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 23:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the Standard appendices and footers section of the Manual of Style addresses your question. FactOrOpinion (talk) 00:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

November 10

Sources for topicn

I have been working on editing a bunch of topics that simply do not cite sources, and some of those run into issues with notability.

is it possible to get an article approved that simply doesn’t cite sources, or how did those articles end up on this platform

—— Mangoflies (talk) 04:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Mangoflies, no it isn't possible; but not all articles have needed to be approved. There is indeed a great amount of junk on Wikipedia (unreferenced articles, promotional articles, etc). How crappy articles have come to be varies a lot; you might look in the histories of those articles. -- Hoary (talk) 04:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi User:Hoary

can you elaborate more on not all articles needing to be approved?

—— Mangoflies (talk) 04:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

There haven't always been systems for checking candidate articles or new articles. -- Hoary (talk) 05:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

So you are saying back in the long ago articles didn’t need to be approved. Mangoflies (talk) 05:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Editors have always been, in principle, able to create articles without submitting them for review, and many articles have been added to Wikipedia in this manner over the years. Certain things like Wikipedia:Articles for creation have been set up over the years to help make things easier and try to maintain a certain standard, but they are more options than required. Less experienced editors and editors with a conflict of interest are encouraged to work on drafts first and then submit them for review, but such a thing isn't mandatory per se (except perhaps in the case of editors being paid to create articles). All articles are, however, subject to Wikipedia:Notability, and those that don't meet this standard can be tagged, proposed or nominated for Wikipedia:Deletion if their issues can't be fixed. There are over six million Wikipedia articles and more keep getting added; so, finding the bad ones can be hard, and a bad article can fly under the radar for years until something happens that makes it get noticed. It's highly unlikely that any reviewer would approve an article that has zero citations, but it is possible that the version you're currently seeing is not the same one that ended up being approved. Figuring this out often means you've got to be willing to dig through the page's history to see how the article developed over time. If it has been without citations since it was created, then perhaps see if you can find some yourself or add a maintenance template to it to let others know about it. If it seemed fine early on but got worse over time, then perhaps see if you can figure out how to get it back to the version that was OK. If you think the situation can't be fixed and you've done your due diligence, then perhaps deletion is warranted or at least a community discussion to determine as much is needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

What Marchjuly says, Mangoflies, pretty much. But as for "If [an article] seemed fine early on but got worse over time, then perhaps see if you can figure out how to get it back to the version that was OK": Figuring this out is not likely to be difficult. You can then revert to the latest version not to have been debased, simply by choosing to edit that version, ignoring the warning you get about editing an old version, and saving, with an informative edit summary. But this is not usually a good way to do it. It's likely that the added junk isn't so obviously junk, and it's also possible that benevolent editors have been tinkering with the poor versions while unaware of how much better the article had earlier been: these editors (and others) may notice your reduction of 10 kiB or whatever and misinterpret this as vandalism. Better, then, to announce and explain your plan on the article's talk page, and wait a couple of weeks for agreement (or lack of disagreement). Then make your edit, with a summary such as "Reverting to Apr 2018 version; see talk page for reasoning and discussion". -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mangoflies If you want to work on articles that are entirely uncited, you could use WP:PETSCAN to find articles in categories of interest to you and that have the template {{Unreferenced}} at the top (which places an article in the hidden category Category:Articles lacking sources or one of its sub-categories). There are currently about 125,000 totally unreferenced articles marked as such. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

How can i found my home screen

How can i found my home screen 160.119.47.95 (talk) 09:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

That depends on which browser you're using. If you mean in/of Wikipedia, I don't know what you mean by "home screen". (If you mean your user page, you won't have one unless/until you're logged in.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

The home acreen is the screen you see upon starting up your device or browser, so you just start up your device or browser to see it. See home screen for more information. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Looking to get discussion/approval on planned updates to a list

Hi, I'm looking to get community discussion and approval for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mountains#Updating Colorado 14ers per new measurements. I posted to the relevant wikiproject a few weeks ago, but it doesn't look to be too active. I could just edit the page in question myself, but there's a specific ask on the list page not to update elevations without alignment from editors; I'm looking to get that alignment. Any way I could advertise this discussion/flag for review? Thanks! KilimAnnejaro (talk) 14:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@KilimAnnejaro You have already highlighted your plan on the relevant project's Talk Page 8 days ago. After two weeks of WP:SILENCE, I think you should be WP:BOLD and start to make the changes to the list. Your proposed source looks reliable to me. Of course, if anyone reverts your additions, then further discussion on the Talk Page of the list itself will be needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

article writing

I really want to write a article on never quit by Jimmy Seattle about his time as a PJ or pararescue in the air force. I loved the book but I do not believe I have the skill yet to write this article. Hardwork 234 (talk) 17:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Hardwork 234 You are wise to develop your skills by adding to existing articles first but you can begin a draft at Draft:Jimmy Settle (author) as soon as you like. There is no hurry in submitting it for review. Note that you appear to have the wrong author name, judging by what I found on Amazon books. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Could someone who knows WP:MEDRS, please look at these changes?

Someone did these changes at Child psychopathology, I'm pretty sure it's just promotional editing and not actually a good contribution, but I also don't know anything about this topic or MEDRS and don't feel confident enough to revert it. – user usually at 2804:F14::/32, currently 143.208.239.58 (talk) 19:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Checked it. As far as I'm aware, it was a good faith edit. If there are any issues you have with the article, you may put it up for discussion at the article's talk page, and perhaps members of WikiProject Medicine so that they're aware. If you think it really was vandalism, fine. 2601AC47 (talk|contribs) Isn't a IP anon 19:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's vandalism, it's just all sourced to acespsychiatry.com (the other reference was already in the article, it's just that the link changed). Granted the acespsychiatry article does cite sources.

I'll just let it be, thanks for looking into it. *edit: Apparently I'm not going to let it be, I'm pretty sure the sources cited in the website aren't findable, if they exist at all, they are incredibly vague. – user usually at 2804:F14::/32, currently 143.208.239.58 (talk) 20:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC) *edited: 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I have asked at WikiProject Medicine. – user usually at 2804:F14::/32, currently 143.208.239.58 (talk) 20:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

How do you make it so the Contributions page doesn't automatically default to hiding good edits?

This is only helpful when looking at the contributions of vandals, but usually the people I look at will not be vandals (such as myself) and it's annoying to constantly have to uncheck that box. interstatefive  21:00, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not clear what you mean by "Contributions page", but if you're talking about your Watchlist this is a setting at the bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist. If that's not it, please provide a link. Regards, Dan Bloch (talk) 22:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Special:Contributions interstatefive  03:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, right. I see now that it uses the same preference I sent you for the Watchlist. Dan Bloch (talk) 04:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Oustanding edit requests on archived pages

Hey! Sometimes when looking over edit requests (e.g. Category:Wikipedia_extended-confirmed-protected_edit_requests), I notice that the original request was never answered, and the Talk page section has since been archived. What is the best course of action here? OXYLYPSE (talk) 23:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

This just came up on WT:ER. What I said there was When I patrolled I would either move out back to the talk page if I thought it would benefit from more attention, or just flip the switch on answered since there was clearly no consensus to implement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish I only searched the Edit Requests project page; didn't think to check the talk haha. Seems reasonable enough, just wanted to check it wasn't frowned upon - thank you! OXYLYPSE (talk) 23:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussions about edit requests are always all over the place, unfortunately. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

November 11

how do I create a Wikipedia page for myself?

how do I create a Wikipedia page for myself? AnaturalhairstoreyLLC (talk) 01:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

The short answer is you don't. Wikipedia is explicitly not social media and not a place to write about yourself

Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi AnaturalhairstoreyLLC and welcome to Wikipedia. We strongly discourage creating or editing articles about one's self or any entity with which you have a close connection. This is considered a conflict of interest and promotional editing of any kind is not allowed. Additionally we do not allow accounts that represent a non human entity or that suggest they may be used by more than one person. Please see the welcome message I left on your talk page. You should consider requesting a new account name if you are a single person and do not intend to edit areas where you have a COI. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Note I have soft blocked the OP due to their username. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

kind of a weird thing to do when they hadn't edited outside of this one post and username discussion template was dropped on their page less than five minutes earlier. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

How do I find an editior to help me with an article

How do I find an editior to help me with an article Queendstorey (talk) 02:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I have a strong suspicion that this is just a sockpuppet of AnaturalhairstoreyLLC. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

They were soft blocked so they are explicitly allowed to make another account. With this level of accusations over all of two edits asking for help I wonder how any new users would even want to continue contributing. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Acroterion is editing my identity without my approval.

Clearly not an issue for the help desk

This (Personal attack removed) is telling me to not make my page an ad or a resume, and I didn't. I posted qualifications for why I was a Customer Service Auditor enforcing the Accessibility Act of Canada, and the (Personal attack removed) said I was breaking some unwritten rule; Tell me how to lodge a discrimination complaint. He is discriminating against a 57 year old HIV positive document specialist from the United States Air Force 491x1 as an Information Systems Operator. How the fuck is he allowed to get away with telling me I was too specific about my workplace and my qualifications? DId I give my commanding officer and station and duration of my tour? NO!! GET THAT (Personal attack removed) A FUCKING RULEBOOK BEFORE I CHARGE HIM WITH DISCRIMINATION FOR HIS POLITICAL BIAS!! Vgastudent (talk) 02:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC) First of all, thank you for your service sir. Second, please stop making legal threats. Legal threats are not allowed to be on Wikipedia and your account may be blocked. Thank you. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 02:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC) Neither are personal attacks for that matter. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 02:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

My page deleted help

Hello,

I am new to this and everyone keeps asking why I don't have an wikipedia page after being in the business as a National Bestseller, 12x Published Author and Signed Recording Singer/Songwriter but I tried to add one it was deleted stated personal. Is there anyone that can help fix this for me please.

Divon Delgado 2603:8081:3A00:A43C:11AF:56AC:784:364 (talk) 03:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Looks like you've already gotten a thorough explanation and some good advice at User talk:Divon Delgado. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 03:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Divon Delgado, here is a "fun fact" for you: 99.9% of people who try to write a Wikipedia autobiography end up failing, wasting their own time and the time of the reviewers who are unpaid volunteers. Your attempt did not resemble a neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia article in any way. We expect excellence here. Cullen328 (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I was instructed to change my name. I need help with an article I'll list it below

Donna Storey is a entrepreneur, author, and advocate in the field of womb wellness. She has made significant contributions to the promotion of the waistbeading in western society, empowering women of color to embrace their bodies and encouraging wholistic practices. As an author, Storey has gained recognition as the first to cover waistbeading from the perspective of someone living in western society.

Career and ImpactStorey has garnered a substantial following on social media with over 8.5k YouTube subscribers and 15.5k Instagram followers. Through her online platforms, she shares valuable insights on waistbeading techniques, the waistbead lifestyle, and other important womb wellness practices. She has created an online sister circle called "The Waist Measurement Challenge," aiming to support individuals in their journey toward better health through a combination of diet, waistbeading, and emotional interpersonal growth.

Publications and Community OutreachStorey has authored "Waistbeads and Western Society: A Sisterhood. . ." which explores waistbeads within the context of western culture. She has also written "My Waistbeads Mama," a book that imparts knowledge on waistbeads, culture, health, accountability, and self-love to young women of color. Additionally, she has developed the "Waistbead Journal," a tool to assist individuals in tracking their experiences and progress in their waistbeading journey. Storey's publications are widely available through leading retailers such as Barnes & Noble and Amazon.Storey collaborates with other activists to organize waistbead-centered outreach events andThe incorporates waistbeads into fashion showcases, aiming to promote the practice of waistbeading to a broader audience.

Literary:

In her Afro.com article featured interview, Donna

• Donna Storey taps into the power, history of waistbeads
• "Waistbeads and Western Society: A Sisterhood...*, the first book about waistbeads in the western cultural , context.

Legacy and Recognition

Donna Storey's enduring commitment to promoting womb wellness, waistbeading, and empowerment has left an indelible mark on the community. She is recognized as the first author to cover waistbeading from the perspective of someone living in western society and has personally tied over 100 sets of waistbeads. Her work has inspired women of color to embrace the waistbead lifestyle, their bodies, and a more comprehensive approach to wellness.

Queendstorey (talk) 03:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

As was explained to you earlier, Wikipedia is not a place to write about yourself. If you meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, then someone else may write an article about you, although you won't have any say as to what is actually in the article.

If you have any questions or need any clarification, feel free to ask here.  miranda :3  04:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Queendstorey, nobody wants to read your unreferenced elevator pitch here. The only thing that experienced Wikipedia editors care about in a discussion like this is the quality of the independent, reliable sources that devote significant coverage to you. Those sources must be entirely independent of you. That is the only thing to discuss here in this case. Cullen328 (talk) 06:28, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Admin help needed to move articles related to continued fraction

In a long discussion at Talk:Continued fraction, consensus was reached that

• Continued fraction should be moved to Simple continued fraction;
• Continued fraction (non-simple) can then be moved to Continued fraction.

We understand that this needs support by an admin so that no histories be lost. How to proceed? -- Dyspophyr (talk) 07:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)