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November 18

Adding same link in multiple articles - is there an easier way?

I am going to create an article about jockey Harry Cobden. He is already mentioned in a large number of articles (about 90) mostly without a red link. I have started going through them one by one adding links but wondered if there is a quicker and easier way to add links across all the articles. Southdevonian (talk) 09:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Southdevonian. That sounds like the sort of thing that AWB can do - but I have never used AWB, so I may be wrong about its capabilities. ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Southdevonian: AWB can do it. See User:Edward/Find link and User:Lourdes/Backlinks for tools specifically for your purpose. I haven't tried them but they are probably easier to use. AWB is a much more powerful general tool to make various semiautomatic edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @ColinFine and @PrimeHunter. AWB and Lourdes/Backlinks look a bit complicated for me. Edward/Find link is much simpler but just comes up with a list of articles, which I already have. I will use it however for articles I have already created to see if I missed any links. I think I will just persevere with doing them one by one, which is time-consuming but not too difficult. Southdevonian (talk) 20:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Southdevonian: User:Edward/Find link makes a list of articles but the entries are linked to an edit page where the link has already been made so you only have to save it. That means two clicks per edit. It requires the target article to exist so it doesn't work for adding red links to Harry Cobden. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks @PrimeHunter. I have managed to do a couple, for example [1]. But on other occasions clicking on the article title just took me back to the list. I don't know why that is. But when it works, yes, it is easier. Southdevonian (talk) 00:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Quotations - period inside or outside?

Just wondering what the house style is on punctuation (periods, commas) and quotes in the following scenarios.

1. Entire sentence in quote: "It's one of the saddest love songs I've ever heard". 2. Portion of sentence in quote: Young recalled, "It's one of the saddest love songs I've ever heard." 3. Portion of sentence in quote: Young recalled, "It's one of the saddest love songs I've ever heard," adding that he liked it. Jack C (talk) 13:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jack C - please see MOS:QUOTEPUNCT and MOS:INOROUT - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Smashing - many thanks Jack C (talk) 13:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Introducing quotes - past / present tense?

Just checking if the present or past tense is preferred when introducing a quote.

Young recalls in his memoir, "I was the bar"

Young recalled in his memoir, "I was the bar" Jack C (talk) 13:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

It depends on the nature of the quote, see MOS:BLPTENSE. TSventon (talk) 13:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Interesting - different rules for art and news. V helpful Jack C (talk) 13:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

What is needed most?

I've recently been looking through WP:Maintenence and WP:Task Center. Wikipedia has so many tasks that need done, but what's the best way to know what is needed most? AKA what is needed most currently? Knowledgegatherer23 (Say Hello) 17:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

There's a tool called "Check Wikipedia" that lists issues by priority and amounts. Its directory for en.wiki can be found here. It only focus on syntax issues tho, and I'm not aware of any other tools that can keep track of other types of maintance. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 20:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you'll find much consensus about which tasks are the most important. Clearly, problems with legal consequences (such as copyright and libel) are the most important, but beyond that it's not clear. Personally I think that bringing an article up to the point where it is comprehensively sourced to high quality sources is worth thousands of times more than fixing a typo or some unclear wording. (And deleting an unsalvageable article is also worth many times more than copy-editing).

But, as we all know, those tasks are time-consuming and often difficult, so not many people do them (me included!) ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Knowledgegatherer23 When I have time, I like to work on areas where I have some interest/knowledge and on tasks I'm good at fixing. The best tool I know to find these is the WikiProject Cleanup Listings. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Searching

The {{Weather box}} is used just over 30,000 times. Is there an easy way to find which Canadian articles use it? I tried using WP:AWB but it tops out at 25,000 and going through it (skipping if the article does not contain the word Canada) will take a long time. I want to use hidden categories on the articles that use it to sort them by ones that will need updating in 2030, those that can't be updated, and those that need updating now. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 21:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

This search composing insource and hastemplate still has a lot of false positives, but returns sub-3000 results instead of an order of magnitude more. There's probably a more advanced strat, but this might be a beginning point? Folly Mox (talk) 21:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. That looks like it would be easier to go through. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 21:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Will this PetScan work? Sam Sailor 22:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes it might miss a few but it would probably work. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Arilus cristatus Article broken?

Hey there! Never used Wikipedia in this way before. I was researching some assassin bugs when I went to the North American assassin bug page (Arilus cristatus) and it kept “breaking” for me (i.e. page loads for a few seconds before giving an error message saying to reload the page). I confirmed this was a page-specific issue by visiting a similar page (Pale green assassin bug), which didn’t crash. Any idea why? I did not check this on desktop, so I apologize if this is a mobile-only issue. I did restart my phone and try different browsers. Cheers! Kolbalt (talk) 23:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Arilus cristatus is working for me both on my Windows laptop and on my Android phone.

I notice that it has three videos on it, so I wonder if you're running into limitations on your internet connection? ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

infobox

how do you add a new field in pre existing infobox wikipedia Saji Edavazhikkal (talk) 23:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Saji Edavazhikkal. Pretty all of the infoboxes you see in a Wikipedia article are templates which have a general framework of building blocks called parameters that allow various information to be added that is specific to the subject of the article. If you look at the source code for the article where the infobox is found, it should look something like {{Infobox XXXX|parameter 1=|parameter 2=|....|parameter n =}} where "XXXX" is the name of the template and the parameters are given specific names (for example, |image=) representing the type of information they require. Only those parameters listed on the template's page will work, and new parameters need to be added to the template's page; in other words, you can't add them to the template syntax you might find in an individual article. The template's page can typically be found by adding the name of the template after Template:; for example, Template:Infobox XXXX. So, once you figure out the name of the infobox template, you should be able to find it's page, and you should then be able to see what parameters can be used and how to use them. Given that a single template often is being used in lots of article, even a small change can create a rip effect that could end up causing serious problems; so, it's generally not a good idea to edit a template's page unless you really know you're doing. For this reason,many templates are protected (i.e. "locked") to prevent such mistakes. All template pages do, however, have a corresponding talk page, and you can request a new parameter be added to the template by posting a message on its talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

November 19

Does the edit notice on pages about given names apply to fictional characters?

On given name pages such as Avery (given name), there's an edit notice saying not to add unlinked or redlinked entries to the lists. Does this apply to the fictional characters list or only the lists of people? JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333 (correct me if I'm wrong) 00:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Given that the WP:EDITNOTICE you're referring to is Template:Editnotices/Page/Avery (given name), and it is at the very top of the editing window, I'm assuming the intent was to have it apply to all content on the page. The notice was created and added to the page in 2013 by an administrator named Alexf. It was subsequently updated in 2019 by the Alexf. It looks like the "Fictional characters" section was added after 2019, but prior to that page just contained links to articles about real people. Perhaps Alexf can clarify how the notice applies now. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much! JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333 (correct me if I'm wrong) 01:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

As I mentioned to John earlier in my page, I don't bother much with fictional character names. -- Alexf^(talk) 22:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Change of Place Name

How do I alter the spelling in a title page specifically Haggits Pillar to Haggitt Pillar?

Haggit Pillar has been corrected to Haggitt Pillar by the New Zealand Geographic Board on the recommendation from the Antarctic Place Names Committee and published in the NZ Gazette (1). The United States Board on Geographical Names has updated its records accordingly (2).

(1) https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/2024-ln5732 (2) https://edits.nationalmap.gov/apps/gaz-antarctica/public/search/names/2818689 JSH1970 (talk) 01:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

The act of changing an article name is described as a Move in Wikipedia. I have done it. HiLo48 (talk) 02:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

History of miss vicki chips shrinkage of bag size

History of miss vicki chips shrinkage of bag size 66.183.19.154 (talk) 02:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

There is an article on Miss Vickie's, but nothing on the bag size. These kinds of questions are better asked at the Reference desk, this page is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 03:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

If you do ask a question there (or indeed here), do please make an effort to address humans. Thus "What is ...?", "How much is ...?", "Who did ...?", etc. Even better, sound a bit sociable/thoughtful/effortful; thus "Does anyone here know what is ...?", "Which article should I look at in order to find how much is ...?", "Is there yet any consensus among historians on who did ...?" Thank you! -- Hoary (talk) 05:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Misuse of "literal"

Has anyone worked much on pages dealing with words? I left this comment on a talk page a month ago and haven't had any replies. I would proceed with an edit, but I don't know if the error relates more to the individual page or if it's a common error elsewhere on Wiki so the use of "literal" in glosses would need more specification, wherever that takes place. I.e. should I proceed with the edit on the individual page or is there somewhere else I should take the discussion first?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yeshua#The_note_%22literal_translation%22_is_imprecise

(NB looks like there's a coding error live on the page, so you might not be able to see what I'm talking about in the link just yet) Cameron.coombe (talk) 03:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

It's a common error in translation templates that goes back decades. Sometimes it is useful to provide a literal translation; sometimes it's useful to have an idiomatic gloss. For the latter, I'll remove any template that produces the string "literal" or any abbreviated equivalent and just put the gloss in brackets. Folly Mox (talk) 03:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Folly Mox! I'll proceed confidently. I'm glad I'm not the only one to be irked by this! Cameron.coombe (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Nvm lol, someone got there before me. Good! Cameron.coombe (talk) 00:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

How to delete profile page

How can I delete my page here? I just signed up but it's confusing to use. I want to delete my page. Please advise Canada Mortgage and Financial Group (talk) 10:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

You do not have a page; your user page (User:Canada Mortgage and Financial Group) has not been created. Before you go any further on Wikipedia please consult the username policy as yours suggests it is a promotional name representing a company. Consider a change of username. Thanks, Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I had no idea I couldn't use a company name. Thanks for the information. If I don't have a page how come I am logged in here and messaging you? I'm new to this lol sorry..it's confusing. I will change the name. Canada Mortgage and Financial Group (talk) 10:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

You are logged into an account. Anyone can have an account; it essentially provides you with no extra benefits but means if you were to edit any Wikipedia article you would do so under your username rather than your IP. Accounts begin with the prefix "User:" while articles, or pages, are not prefixed. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Got you, thank you so much for the explanation. Canada Mortgage and Financial Group (talk) 11:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

The friend not walk place friend yazini love

Sorry friend not friend yazini and love thank ..... 41.114.209.104 (talk) 11:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, did you have a question about Wikipedia? qcne (talk) 12:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Policy on shifting IPs?

I have reason to believe that an editor is regularly shifting IPs to avoid accumulating a history of warnings and sanctions for their conduct in talk page discussions and edits to a cluster of articles surrounding a contentious topic. Does this violate any rules? It’s been going on for at least a few years: same positions, same tone, and same geolocation. They are extremely uncivil and disruptive in talk page discussions—but if that’s the extent of it, I’d rather just walk away.

Can you point me to any relevant policies or other useful resources?

Posting as an IP myself just to avoid unnecessary escalation from my edit history.

Thanks in advance, 75.73.117.213 (talk) 18:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, that would come under Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry. qcne (talk) 18:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

IPs are often dynamic, especially under IPv6 (your post is signed under an IPv4 address). Regardless, if they appear to be from the same geolocation, you can check the first digits of the IP and, assuming some of them are the same, a rangeblock can be employed if disruption seems to continue. However, if they're coming from clearly different IP addresses (typically as a proxy) and you're certain they're the same person, you can issue a level four immediate vandalism warning ({{subst:uwv4im}}) and if disruption continues from obviously the same person you can open an SPI to get an administrator's eye on this case. Departure– (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

How to add a company logo?

I am writing an article about a business. I own the copyright of all logos. I'd love to feature the logo on the page but Wikipedia is not letting me load it. Could anyone advise on how to do that? I see many pages that have logos. Thank you! ClientCircle (talk) 18:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

First, please be sure to comply with conflict of interest procedures before creating an article about anything you may want an article on. Most companies are not notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, and writing one about a company you're involved with can be considered promotional and thus should be avoided. To upload a file, you should avoid going to Commons; as you own the copyright, your logo will be released into a free Creative Commons license - you should almost always avoid that if you have any stake in the company's success. Instead, it should be uploaded as a non-free file on the page. See WP:NFC for more information about doing so. Really, it shouldn't be uploaded at all - if your company is notable enough for Wikipedia, it will be created by another volunteer editor. Otherwise, it doesn't need one, just like the 95% of other companies worldwide with no article. Departure– (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @ClientCircle, and welcome to Wikipedia.

I will echo what Departure says, but give some more detail.

First, I'm guessing that the business is ClientCircle? If so, please note that:

• User names must not give the impression that they belong to an organisation, as opposed to an individual, and nor may they give the impression that they are editing on behalf of an organisation. You need to change your username (or, more simply, abandon that one and create a new one). "John at ClientCircle" would be acceptable, or your real name, or any pseudonym that is not the name of the business. See WP:Username policy.
• If you own the copyright on the logo, you almost certainly count as a paid editor, and you must make a formal declaration of this status, usually on your user page. (See the link for details)
• Creating a new article is probably the hardest task there is for an inexperienced editor. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
• Creating a new article when you have a conflict of interest is even harder, because it is difficult to keep hold of the fact that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Once you have found suitable independent, reliable sources, you will need to forget everything you know about the business, and write a summary of only what those sources say.
• An inexperienced editor is strongly advised, and an editor with a COI is required, to use the articles for creation process, to create a draft, and then submit it for review. The presence or absence of a logo will not affect this process.
• If you are the copyright holder of the logo, then you have the power to license it in a way that Wikimedia Commons will accept: but you should think hard about whether you want to do so. What you will be doing is irrevocably giving anybody in the world the legal right to use or alter your logo in any way they choose, as long as they attribute its source. Is that what you want to do?
• Logos are usually added to Wikipedia articles using the much more restrictive non-free content criteria: this is a variation of "fair use", so it does not require you to give up any rights to the image. The criteria include one that the image may only be used in a published article, not in a draft; so if you are using the draft mechanism, you shouldn't attempt to upload the image until the draft has been accepted as an article.

I echo @Departure–'s advice that most companies in the world do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability: unless you are confident that yours does, all time and effort you put into trying to create a Wikipedia article about it will be time and effort wasted.

Finally: the fact that you have posted this here will likely make you a target for scammers, who will contact you, falsely claiming that they can create an article for you. Please see WP:SCAM, and don't pay anybody any money for creating Wikipedia content. ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

ClientCircle You personally own the copyright to the logo, not the company? 331dot (talk) 22:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I would like to donate by cheque from Canada ?

How do I do this. 2607:FEA8:A501:1A00:5110:620C:BF96:4605 (talk) 19:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

If you're looking to donate to the Wikimedia Foundation (which run Wikipedia) then information on how to donate via cheque can be found here CoconutOctopus talk 19:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Delete Wikipedia Page

Hi! I have been trying to help John Mark McWatters delete his Wikipedia page that was created about him. I've proposed deletion a number of times, but it did not work. He is no longer in the same field, and wants this information about him taken down. Would love some help with this. Thanks so much! Xoxotennisgirl (talk) 20:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link J. Mark McWatters Knitsey (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

There are four chief processes under which articles in the mainspace are deleted:

• 1. Speedy deletion
• 2. Proposed deletion (prod)
• 3. Proposed deletion of articles on living persons (sticky prod); and
• 4. Articles for deletion (AfD).

To learn about typical reasons articles are deleted, see Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? To find out why the particular article you posted was deleted, go to the deletion log and type into the search field marked "Title" the exact name of the article, mindful of the original capitalization, spelling and spacing. The deletion log entry will show when the article was deleted, by which administrator, and typically contain a deletion summary listing the reason for deletion. If you wish to contest this deletion, please contact the administrator first on their talk page and, depending on the circumstances, politely explain why you think the article should be restored, or why a copy should be provided to you so you can address the reason for deletion before reposting the article. If after that the article remains deleted and you still wish to contest it, you have the option of listing the article at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but articles are normally only restored if the deletion was clearly improper.

2601AC47 (talk|contribs) Isn't a IP anon 20:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@2601AC47:, they want the article deleted, they're not contesting deletion. Knitsey (talk) 20:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I might add that McWatters is notable as a public official IMO. 2601AC47 (talk|contribs) Isn't a IP anon 20:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Xoxotennisgirl: The subject's wishes are of little relevance, when the subject is clearly a public figure. Are you asking The Washington Post, for example, to remove what they have written about McWatters? What response do you think you would get of you did so? You may find our FAQ for article subjects useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:32, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello! As suggested above, I'm afraid you will not be able to delete the article. The main determiner for if a subject should have an article is the notability policy (in this case, the one for politicians and judges). If it is met, it is very unlikely that the article will be deleted. Most deletion discussions revolve around if the notability policy is being met, and your deletion proposals were declined for this reason here.

I understand that he wants it deleted because it's not relevant to what he does today, but that alone is not a deletion reason. Wikipedia articles aim to cover as much verifiable information about the subject as reasonable, and this includes past work.

If there are reliable sources on what he currently does, it could be added to the article. But again, that is not a reason to remove the current content. Nyakase (talk 🐈‍⬛‍ she/her) 20:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense! Thank you everyone!! Xoxotennisgirl (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

November 20

Why is a particular article protected?

My question refers to the article entitled “Doner kebab.”

I went to read it after ordering Middle Eastern takeout food today and finding  doner on the menu but little explanation of what it was. As I read the article, I noticed a minor grammatical error and so I decided to correct it because I was already signed in to Wikipedia.

To my surprise, I was notified that I wasn’t allowed to make edits in the article because it was protected. A food article? Even if of Turkish derivation?

I’d really appreciate understanding this.

Augnablik (talk) 09:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Looking at the article's protection log, that article has an extensive history of disruptive editing, necessitating it be protected to prevent that disruption. From what I can tell most of that disruption is related to how to identify the nation the dish is associated with, there was much edit warring over it. It may sound silly, but such disputes happen. There was even a dispute about whether a single letter should be capitalized- which was so significant it merits an article- Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness debate. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, the truth of the matter is that there have been many deeply entrenched ethnonationalist disputes about the histories and origins of countless culinary dishes that can be broadly described as Middle Eastern cuisine. The hostility and bitterness is related to the conflicts between Israel, Palestine and other Arab countries, extending outward to include Turkey, Greece and Iran. When these arguments get out of control, as they all too often do, then administrators must apply protection to the affected pages. Cullen328 (talk) 09:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Good grief! Augnablik (talk) 12:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

We never know where our day will lead, do we? An innocent lunch and thought to do a minor grammar fix morphs into a most unexpected Wikipedia discovery. Wow, the drama! Augnablik (talk) 12:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@331dot

There was an exchange of such magnitude over capitalization of into used as a preposition? How could there have been any question in the first place, as it’s standard editing practice to lower-case in such situations? Augnablik (talk) 13:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

It was a little more complicated as a title of a film.....beyond that I'll defer to the article about the controversy. :) 331dot (talk) 13:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes … I should have picked up on that point. The problem could have been started off in Hollywood, not Wikipedia … but in that case, the Wiki issue probably was whether to correct an incorrectly-worded title! Augnablik (talk) 13:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: you say there is a minor gramattical error in the article. Go to talk:Doner kebab and use {{Edit semi-protected}} to request your desired change. Mjroots (talk) 10:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Could you be a little more specific about this, @Mjroots — I go to that page and exactly where do I find, or type, {{Edit semi-protected}}? Augnablik (talk) 12:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik Easiest if you copy from here to your clipboard the template: everything from the first { to the final } and then navigate to that talk page and click the "Add topic" tab. Give it a simple title, then in its main section, paste the template. It expects your change to be expressed as "change X to Y". The purpose of the template is to populate a category that other editors monitor for such simple change requests. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Template for a pile of references

While editing, I came across the episode section of Karen_(1964_TV_series)#Episodes. It has a pile of references dumped at the top of the section, I'm guessing they're there because they relate to the episodes and need moving to specific episodes. I've tried looking for a maintenance template that does the job of "This pile of references need moving to the appropriate piece of text" but can't find anything suitable. What would be the appropriate template for this occurrence? - X201 (talk) 09:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@X201 is {{no footnotes}} what you're looking for? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Not really. The rest of the article has footnotes and references that are properly done. The problem is this pile of inline references that are at the top of the Episodes section. Some of them are obviously about single episodes and so need to be moved to the correct positions, whereas it's unclear what some of the other references in that pile are actually referencing. I'm sure that there's some kind of cleanup template to cover this, but can't find the correct one. - X201 (talk) 08:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

{{Text-source}}? DMacks (talk) 12:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Restore or Draftify a deleted page

I am seeking assistance to restore a page that was deleted via AfD back in 2016 per the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingsley's Chicken. I have attempted to contact the admin who closed the AfD (MBisanz) directly but received no response. I note the AfD occurred after a WP:REFUND which I understand to be a once only option.

A concern raised in the AfD was that it did not meet WP:CORPDEPTH and at the time, it was hard to locate published versions of existing RS. Since 2016, there has been renewed interest in this chain, including a YouTube documentary highlighting its links to a number of Australian Hip Hop artists as well as featuring in a movie. Additionally, news archives like Trove now make it easier to locate historical media coverage and I believe the article now meet notability criteria and I would like to access the previous version and work on it as a draft to update it. Who do I talk to to have it restored to the draft space please? Dfadden (talk) 09:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

MBisanz is no longer active on Wikipedia, and is no longer an admin. Per WP:DRVPURPOSE Deletion review should not be used: #9, just post your request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. Meters (talk) 09:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Dfadden, you're probably better staring from scratch. The last version created said only Kingsley's Chicken is a Canberra based fast food chain offering chicken based burgers, wraps, torps, chips & gray, BBQ chickens and salads and the version prior to that had much the same plus a description of a "A controversial advertising campaign in 2000". Neither gave any evidence of notability nor real facts such as financials, number of employees etc. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Edit, revert, ghost—How to proceed?

I'm in a somewhat frustrating situation. On 3 November, Szelma W (talk · contribs) reverted (Special:Diff/1255250737) an edit of mine (Special:Diff/1255197206). On 5 November, I created Talk:List of Mersenne primes and perfect numbers#Recent reversion - is anything salvageable? to discuss the matter, as the revert's edit summary "It was better" didn't really give me a lot to go on.

And there, the discussion has stalled, as @Szelma W hasn't been on WP since 4 November. It appears they tend to contribute in small bursts about once a week (although I haven't noticed an obvious day-of-the-week pattern) and it's been two weeks with no edit activity. It's not like they're specifically ignoring me, they just haven't been around in a while. So there's no bad faith, but it's still frustrating for me as the memory of the various number theory pages I was working on at the time fades.

Does anyone have any suggestion as to how to proceed? My only real complaint is the lack of specificity in the original revert (I try to be a lot more encouraging when reverting a good-faith edit), but that wouldn't be a problem if there were subsequent discussion. 97.102.205.224 (talk) 15:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

My recommendation would be to ask for additional opinions at one or more of the Project pages listed at the top of the Talk page. Please phrase the request as neutrally as possible (e.g. "Additional options at X would be greatly appreciated."). That way you can form a consensus, and if Szelma is unable or unwilling to chime in, you will at least have the opinions of multiple other editors to work with. Hope this is helpful! DonIago (talk) 16:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

97, I don't think that was an appropriate edit summary for a revert of such magnitude. I see there have been edits at the article since then, which I'm unqualified to assess. There has also been no pointer to the discussion dropped at any of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numbers, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics, Talk:Mersenne prime, nor Talk:Perfect number.

As general advice, it might be an idea to try to make more, smaller edits if you're able: this will make it easier for reviewing editors to figure out what all you're tryna do. In this case maybe one edit to format the tables, one edit to alter the template transclusions, one to copyedit the prose, and one to reogranise the paragraph structure.

This piecemeal approach can also be used as a gradual method for manual reversion of a revert: changes can be incrementally reinstated, taking care to heed any advice for suggested alterations or guidance compliance left by the reverting editor (here none). As above, this will allow reviewing editors to assess each bit of the full contribution on individual merits, and avoids edit warring. Folly Mox (talk) 12:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Searching through redirects

The page Sigma Phi Beta contains #REDIRECT [[Sigma Sigma Omicron]] {{R with possibilities}}

Can someone please explain to me why a search for insource:/Sigma Sigma Omicron/ does not find it?

(My ultimate goal here is to find all Redirects with Possibilities that are Greek Letter Organizations, yes, I know there will be false positives. Still seems better than walking my way through all 24 of he links like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Redirects_with_possibilities?from=Delta Naraht (talk) 16:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I think this is an instance of phab:T204089. That has a comment:

As @stjn noticed the behaviour is even inconsistent. An insource search should find a redirect if this contains the search string, but it does not.

An example: There is a redirect Scil in dewiki. None of these searches does find it:

• search for : insource:scil – https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Suche&search=%3A+insource%3Ascil
• search for : insource:"Liste lateinischer Abkürzungen#scil" – https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Suche&search=%3A+insource%3A%22Liste+lateinischer+Abk%C3%BCrzungen%23scil%22

ColinFine (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

November 21

Need some help with pywikibot

I'm trying to set up a pywikibot script that fixes problematic date formats; specifically, it will turn 2024-11 into Nov 2024, and so on. I got some python code working in IDLE, and managed to transfer it to pywikibot. When I try to get it to run on test.wikipedia, however, it says Page [[Test]] saved but doesn't actually seem to be saving it. Here's my code:

import pywikibot
import re


def replace(s):
    str(s)
    datelist = re.findall("\\d\\d\\d\\d-\\d\\d", s)
    print(datelist)
    date = datelist[0]
    month = date[5:]
    year = date[:4]
    monthn = 'Something is wrong.'
    if month == '01':
        monthn = 'Jan '

    if month == '02':
        monthn = 'Feb '

    if month == '03':
        monthn = 'Mar '

    if month == '04':
        monthn = 'Apr '

    if month == '05':
        monthn = 'May '

    if month == '06':
        monthn = 'Jun '

    if month == '07':
        monthn = 'Jul '

    if month == '08':
        monthn = 'Aug '

    if month == '09':
        monthn = 'Sep '

    if month == '10':
        monthn = 'Oct '

    if month == '11':
        monthn = 'Nov '

    if month == '12':
        monthn = 'Dec '


    dateresult = monthn + year
    str(dateresult)
    print(dateresult)
    st = s.find(date)
    print(st)
    en = st + 7
    startstuff = s[:st]
    endstuff = s[en:]
    finalresult = startstuff + dateresult + endstuff
    print(finalresult)

mylang = 'test'
family = 'wikipedia'
site = pywikibot.Site()
page = pywikibot.Page(site, "Test")
text = page.text
replace(text)
page.save("Test date fix")

You should be able to view and run the code here.

Thanks for any assistance you can offer, Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

That seems rather specialized for a general help desk. See mw:Manual:Pywikibot#Get help for other options. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I'll see if anyone is on IRC. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing may be helpful if there isn't and you still need something. Tolozen (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

You need to update page.text. As it is, you're printing the new revision to the terminal, but you're not actually sending it to the server. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Commons Copyright explanation help

Hello everyone, I am looking to upload images that are not mine and need help with copyright. Terms of conditions from the owner say: "Copyright © 2008-2024 Ministry of Defence of the Republic of Croatia. All rights reserved. Content from this site may be transmitted without special permission provided the source is acknowledged." Now im interested if I am free to upload and if I am, under which license?

Thanks to whoever helps. Persian Meowth (talk) 07:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

The best place to ask this is the Commons Help Desk. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

"Inscriptions and Herostones" articles

I've noticed a pattern of articles with titles ending in "Inscriptions and Herostones" or "Inscriptions & Herostones". I've copyedited and fixed bare URLs on a couple, but now that I've discovered just how many there are I'm not sure how to proceed. They all follow a similar format and I believe were created by the same user. They need copyediting, often rely on one source, and many have the same GitHub link in them which may be due to some kind of WP:COI. How should I proceed? The articles should at least all follow the same naming convention, not having "and" and "&" interspersed at random, and they usually have the region they're in in parentheses halfway through the article title. I didn't know where to ask because there's not one single talk page for such a group. Here's an example: Gulakamale (Bengaluru) Inscriptions and Herostones. Thanks. Tolozen (talk) 07:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Tolozen, if you are concerned about COI you could ask the main editor and go to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard if you don't get a satisfactory answer. If you want to encourage other editors to improve the articles, you could start a discussion on a single page, possibly Kannada inscriptions, and post links at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Archaeology. Other editors may or may not be interested in the work. Most of the articles are at "Inscriptions and Herostones", I think this should be "inscriptions and hero stones" in sentence case, per Hero stone. TSventon (talk) 09:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Source hosted on a fanpage

I've been editing the article on Selected Ambient Works Volume II in preparation for a GA assessment. I wanted to add information about the recording history, and found a fairly useful interview about the album. While the source is hosted on a dedicated fanpage to the artist, the source itself is an independent magazine, with a scan uploaded to this site. I couldn't find any other links to the desired source apart from this archive. Would this be okay to cite? Or is this totally unacceptable? Beachweak (talk) 11:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

If the magazine is a reliable source, you should just cite the magazine and not worry about where you found it. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

For GA, the source is probably adequate. It will depend on whether the reviewer will accept Richard James (1994). "Selected Ambient Words Vol. 1". Movement zine (Interview). No. 1. Interviewed by freelance attitude boy Jeremy. pp. 11–12 – via Lanner Chronicle blog.

Oh my gosh the typesetting!

It's clearly not what would pass muster for a highest quality reliable source (reputation for fact-checking etc) and shouldn't be used to support contentious or extraordinary claims, but we have little reason to believe the contents are fraudulent. Folly Mox (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)