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July 23

Help removing "undisclosed payment" tag from organic article

I've been an editor on Wiki for quite some time and was attracted to contributing when I had the idea to research and create the article for Brandun DeShay while still in college. This was done so long ago and I've only helped maintain it with the help of other random contributors over the years. Recently, it was given a tag accusing of being created for money... This is untrue and I would like help removing it please. I worked very hard along with many others to upkeep this article and I can assure you there was no payment involved. Just a fan of his work. Below the article link is included-----

Article link: Brandun DeShay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yleonmgnt (talk • contribs) 00:13, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Yleonmgnt Someone may suspect that you are a paid editor because your name seems like it could be that of a management agency or marketing firm. 331dot (talk) 00:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the tag. You’ve been an editor for 10 years and I don’t see anything about the article that is obviously promotional or biased. Likely misunderstanding as 331dot points out. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 00:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I've also removed the tag from Brandun DeShay production discography. -- Hoary (talk) 02:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Being targeted by an editor

Hello,

Although I have been registered since 2016, I have not had to ask this before, but an editor has insinuated that I am using more than one account. This is my only account and has been registered since February, 2016. The editor I believe is besmirching me on my TalkPage out of personal animus because we had disagreements about how to edit BLP in US politics. I have edited in Spanish, English, and Romanian and that, plus my writing style, are very different than the accounts the editor tried to accuse me of being related to. What can I do? Do I need to report this? Or, should I only worry about it if the editor goes after me again?SeminarianJohn (talk) 03:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Please see this within the Teahouse. -- Hoary (talk) 07:44, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Shady e-mail

I got an e-mail from a company claiming to do 'research for Wikimedia foundation'. However, this mail is from a gmail address and is written in somewhat bad English. Anyone knows who is in charge of conducting surveys / contracting external agencies in Wikimedia? I want to know if this is genuine, and if it is fake, I want other users warned of this practise. Also, I'd like to know how they found my e-mail address. Thanks. Jose Mathew (talk) 07:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Jose Mathew C Unless you gave your email address to the Wikimedia Foundation, they don't have it, even if you added one to your account(they don't have access to that). The Foundation does not give out or sell email addresses. You could contact the Foundation and give them a copy of the email asking to verify it. I would think that a Foundation staff member would use a Foundation email address to conduct research. There is no way to know where the people who sent this email got your address from, it could be from anywhere. 331dot (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll take it up with them. Jose Mathew (talk) 08:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Help: Encountered Cite errors/Cite after making a change on information page

• This request was passed from a Cite error help page

Encountered Cite errors/Cite after making a change on information page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri when trying to include reference of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govardhan_Math in the added line. Kindly help in removing this error appearing on the page. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.0.151.85 (talk) 07:53, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Fixed. (There was an opening ref tag that was not closed properly.) - Jose Mathew (talk) 08:29, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Ariticle-Yousef Nadarkhani

Hi there,

The article written about Pastor Yousef seemed to be very biased. He is imprisoned Iran for being a Christian and practicing his faith. The person who last edited this article, is named demon days.... and sees believing and practicing ones faith as a crime from the way he or she edited the article. If you are going to present information on individuals being martyred or persecuted for their Christian faith, can you please refer to or contact The Voice of the Martyrs? They have a prisoner alert that is very accurate and actually work with the underground church in multiple countries including Iran. I am extremely concerned with demon days accuracy and bias. He seems to considers Christians who share their faith criminals. It might not be a wise thing to have someone with their type of name and background overseeing such articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:122A:826E:3D61:835A:66E8:5AA4 (talk) 10:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, the recent edit by the editor you mention was an automated edit which corrected some url- formatting anomalies. The editor hasn't otherwise edited the page in the last two years (unless I've missed something...). Wikipedia reports on what has been written in reliable sources. If you have concerns about article content please raise them at Talk:Youcef Nadarkhani. You can use Template:Request edit to ask for changes if you are not comfortable undertaking this yourself. You will need to provide good sources to corroborate any changes or content. Eagleash (talk) 11:16, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't know if this articlle is biased but it seems to me to be confused. I lack any information to alter it but please see my addition to the talk page. Can anybody assist?Spinney Hill (talk) 09:18, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

creating a ref

I'm working on improving links some articles. I needed a reference talking about binary, and hexadecimal, and found a book that goes into it in detail: link

Normally I would use this conversion tool to convert a Google book URL to a reference, but Google books has replaced its content with new Google books, and the tool no longer works. (As an aside I sent a note to the developer.)

I haven't totally sorted out how the new Google books works, but I had a devil of a time trying to track down the information about this particular book. (If anybody knows how to do this, please let me know, but that's not my main question here.)

I managed to copy the ISBN: 9780070435650

I knew that I could create a reference from the ISBN.

However, when I did that, I got a different book.

If you go to this link

You'll see something curious. At the top of the page you will see the cover of the book I'm interested in, with the correct author and an ISBN. That information is:

Basic Programming For Computer Literacy
by D. Ravichandran
ISBN 13: 9780070435650

However, in the search results the first entry is a book with the same title, the same cover photo but a title that doesn't match the cover photo and a different author. That information is:

Basic Programming for Computer Literacy
By David G. Moursund
ISBN 13: 9780070435650

The reference I created in Numerical_digit using the ISBN is the second book, not the first.

Any thoughts on how to create a reference to the book I really want?

According to ISBN: The International Standard Book Number (ISBN) is a 13-digit number that uniquely identifies books and book-like products published internationally.

It is supposed to be unique, what's going on?--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Unless I'm missing the point, you want the cite for the Ravichandran book? Try the automatic citation tool which is available in visual editor. That came up with Does that help? Since the ISBN, title, and author first name are the same, I assume it's just some sort of error with the tool. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 13:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

El cid, el campeador, can you tell me how you did that? When I enter the ISBN, I get S Philbrick(Talk) 17:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: you are asking a question about what appears to be a bug in the database at biblio.org. But this is the hepl desk for the English Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Creation and edition of tables

Hi! I am new to Wikipedia. I try to create tables and have the following questions: (1) Styles/types of tables, is it any way to use another table styles as those in Wikipedia editor? (2) How can I apply property "Collapsible" for only one cell of a table (Wikipedia editor applies it for ALL table and I don´t want it)?

Thanks in advance for the answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65arvids (talk • contribs) 13:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@65arvids: Start with the articles linked from WP:TABLE. The syntax is easy to mess up, so practice a bit in your sandbox. I always end up looking at tables in articles to use as examples. -Arch dude (talk) 15:44, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I would like to submit a missing article section

Hello, I am llc28146, And I would like to get your attention on the fact that your kitchen article completely lacks the element of the kitchen island.

The article on the following URL includes the scope and history of the kitchen Island [1] I would need some assistance as to how to submit this addition.

Thank you very much Juergen — Preceding unsigned comment added by LLC28146 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@LLC28146: Thank you for your desire to improve Wikipedia! It would be great if you could expand our article on Kitchens with information about the history of kitchen islands. I do notice kitchen islands are mentioned briefly in the article about kitchens, but it could definitely use more detail about them. Also, Kitchen Island for some reason currently redirects to an article about the Mario video game franchise, and it would be nice to be able to have enough information to have that be an article in its own right. That said, the article you linked to on top-home-design.com actually does not include much about the history of kitchen islands. I've skimmed through it, and it does not look like a particularly useful source for expanding the article on Kitchens, or creating a stand alone article about Kitchen islands. The first step to submitting information to Wikipedia is gathering reliable sources for the information you want to add. I would probably start by visiting a library and looking for books on Frank Lloyd Wright, Kitchen design in the mid-century era, etc. Good luck! ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Our coverage of the subject is at Kitchen#Domestic kitchen planning : the block kitchen. Rmhermen (talk) 15:54, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@LLC28146: We want an article on any subject that meets our definition for notability: see WP:N. I'm guessing that the kitchen island will qualify, but you must show that by finding what we call "reliable sources" WP:RS. This is easy to mess up. See WP:NERROR. Your example source does not qualify. After you have found your reliable sources, go to WP:YFA to learn how to create the article. A few pictures would be good, but they must have compatible copyright licenses, so take some yourself. I usually recommend that an article creator look at several articles of the same general type to find one to use as a worked example for style and format, but I'm not sure what the "general type" is here. Perhaps architectural element? -Arch dude (talk) 16:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Samantha James

 Courtesy link: Samantha James

Birthday June 13 1978 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1702:1F91:1CF6:37D7:721E:8591 (talk) 16:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP, do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP, if this is regards to the article, you can edit it (as there is no page protection), citing the reliable source that you took the information from. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Change username to all lowercase

Details on editing step by step — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karinspencer (talk • contribs) 21:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

You can make your username appear in lowercase on your user page and talk page by adding {{lowercase title}} to the page. You can make your signature lowercase by changing your preferences. Danski454 (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Karinspencer --Danski454 (talk) 22:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

No more

The Dream is Dead

Given Wikipedia’s recent policy to censor Fox News I will no longer be a yearly contributor. It is a shame that Marxist pirates have seized your wonderful site and sailed off into oblivion. I know Wikipedia didn’t survive on my $12 to $20 bucks a year but I will no longer contribute. Please strike name from your donor records.

Richard Boyett — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:345:4201:1140:F9:9722:1525:C969 (talk) 22:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

There's an ongoing discussion about Fox which you might be able to contribute to before you give up. Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Fox_News. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:51, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

We have absolutely nothing to do with donations here. We're all volunteers trying to improve the encyclopedia. If you have a problem with what goes on here, I suggest you address it at the talk page of whichever article it concerns. AFAIK, we don't "censor Fox News". I've even cited them where appropriate for non-political content, despite finding most of their personalities and content repugnant (as I feel about most any politically-focused media, including CNN). Anything directly related to the Wikimedia Foundation, to whom your donations have gone, should be addressed to them (try WP:DONATE to find contact info). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:51, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

The donations go mainly to keep the Wikipedia servers up and running. None of the people who actually edit Wikipedia get a single cent from the donations, this is all volunteer work. JIP | Talk 10:45, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Magazine or interview citation

I'm trying to cite a source that's an interview from a magazine. Could anyone please tell me if I should use the interview citation format or the magazine citation format? Also, I don't know the publisher, since the magazine is now defunct and I'm getting the interview from an Internet source where it was reprinted. (Edit: The word "reprinted" was used in the web source in a section outside of the copied interview; sorry to engage in plagiarism by not using a synonym.) (Second edit: Sorry not to have written an imperative sentence, phrased as a question, beginning with "[c]ould anyone please tell me" when requesting information about the publisher in this post.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 23:13, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: I would suggest using {{cite magazine}} with the name of the website in the |via= parameter. GoingBatty (talk) 02:37, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks for letting me know. Also, could you could you please tell me what to do about the lack of knowledge of the magazine's publisher? Sorry not to have said please about that in the original post.--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

We are hesitant to rely on alleged reprints you find on the web. Unless you have a physical copy of the article, I would not treat somebody's reproduction as a reliable source, unless the "somebody" is a state historical society or some such. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:31, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Orangemike: It's an interview with an author, copied on the author's website. Also, could you could you please tell me what to do about the lack of knowledge of the magazine's publisher? Sorry not to have said please about that in the original post.--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Orangemike: Trappist the Monk suggested I use the website citation instead. I'm confused; could you please tell me what you think about this? Also, sorry to be passive-aggressively accusatory to Trappist the monk.--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Thylacine24:, if you don't know the name of the magazine's publisher, just leave it out. That won't break the template. See below. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:37, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

If what you are citing is on the author's website, cite the website: WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. When citing magazine and journal articles, |publisher= is normally omitted.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: The information you've given me is contradictory the information Orangemike gave me, so I'm not sure what to do. Could you please give me further advice? Sorry to be passive-aggressively accusatory to Orangemike, and also to restate the apology with the usernames switched.--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Please stop apologizing; all that does is clutter the discussion with unnecessary text.

You wrote: It's an interview with an author, copied on the author's website. From that I conclude that the website is where you read whatever it is that you want to cite. Because of WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT, you should cite that source (the website) because you apparently do not have a copy of the magazine to hand so cannot properly cite the magazine.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:36, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

References

@Trappist the monk: Sorry, ironically, for the apologies, and thanks. (Edit: Added reply template; despite your request for less or no apologies, I can't let this go without apologizing, so sorry.) (Second edit: I didn't properly format reply template, sorry for that and also, ironically again, for defying "less or no apologies" request for the third time.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 20:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Oh, and one more question – could you please tell me if I should use the interviewer or interviewee for the author's name? It doesn't say which on this page. (Edit: Added template, sorry again. I have a Type A personality and OCD, which makes me apologize a lot.) (Second edit: Sorry, ironically yet again, for not stopping the apologies.) (Third edit: Added comma, sorry for that and defying no-apologies request for the fourth time.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 20:13, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

These ↑ confirm my point about clutter.

The decision is yours. cs1|2 is relatively flexible. Here are three templates citing an imaginary interview:

1. {{cite magazine |magazine=Magazine |title=The Imaginary Interview: Blue interviews Red |type=Interview |interviewer=Blue |subject=Red |url=//example.com/Imaginary}}

   Red. "The Imaginary Interview: Blue interviews Red". Magazine (Interview). Interviewed by Blue. – for your use case because you aren't really citing the magazine

2. {{cite web |website=Red's Website |title=The Imaginary Interview: Blue interviews Red |type=Interview |interviewer=Blue |subject=Red |url=//example.com/Imaginary}}

   Red. "The Imaginary Interview: Blue interviews Red". Red's Website (Interview). Interviewed by Blue.

3. {{cite interview |website=Red's Website |title=The Imaginary Interview: Blue interviews Red |interviewer=Blue |subject=Red |url=//example.com/Imaginary}}

   Red. "The Imaginary Interview: Blue interviews Red". Red's Website (Interview). Interviewed by Blue.

The purpose of a citation is to help the reader locate the source that supports the text in an en.wiki article. Citations should have just enough detail to accomplish that. Extra detail is just clutter.

Simple is best.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:26, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 23:15, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: It feels off not to cite things like date, access date, etc. Could you please tell me if you're sure this is right?--Thylacine24 (talk) 23:24, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

For simple examples to answer the question that you asked, detail not relevant to the question was omitted because too much detail is too much detail. In real citations, all of the normal bibliographic detail necessary for the reader to locate the source should be included.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:38, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Thanks, but not following the Manual of Style on web citations here feels wrong to me. It says that the "[m]ost commonly used" citations include things like date and access date, and the full parameters say nothing about interviewer/interviewee. (For the record, I once cited an interview for another page, also that of an author, but the interviewer was clearly identified as the writer on that occasion.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 23:50, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Allow me to point out that I did write: In real citations, all of the normal bibliographic detail necessary for the reader to locate the source should be included. The {{cite web}} documentation is not the Manual of style. |date= and |access-date= were not necessary for my examples because I was attempting to show that the final rendering of the three citations is mostly the same for this use case. Yeah, {{cite web}} says nothing about |interviewer= and |subject= because {{cite web}} is generally not used to cite interviews – after all we have {{cite interview}} for that. But, as I have shown in my examples, {{cite web}} is adequate for the task.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Thanks, though I didn't really understand all of that. So I should just skip the date and access date, then? I mean, in my experience, both are usually in the final rendering of a citation.--Thylacine24 (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Pretty sure that I never said to leave them out. I left them out for clarity; in real citations (like the one you want to make) all of the normal bibliographic detail (|date= and |access-date=, etc) necessary for the reader to locate the source should be included.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Okay, thanks. I understand this time.--Thylacine24 (talk) 00:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: One more question, hopefully – could you please tell me if the magazine's name should go under "publisher"?--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

In periodical citations, the publisher is usually omitted. If you are citing a copy of the magazine article on the author's website, you are not citing the magazine. WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. If you have not read the magazine, you cannot know with any certainty that the thing you are citing was ever actually in the magazine.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 01:20, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Okay, thanks again.--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: I forgot to ask - could you please tell me if I should just leave the "publisher" part out, then, since I don't know who publishes the website?--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:31, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

That was answered above by Editor ONUnicorn: if you don't know the name of the magazine's publisher, just leave it out. That won't break the template. The same applies to the website.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 02:41, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Thanks again.--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:25, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: I originally asked this on your talk page, but you didn't respond – "could you please tell me what I should put for the date, since you claim that the magazine source is unreliable, and the website doesn't say what date the interview was uploaded?" (Edit: Forgot signature, added it just now, sorry.) (Second edit: Added quotation marks to indicate where I copied and pasted the interrogative part of the sentence.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: If you could please provide the URL, we could move from the hypothetical to actual suggestions. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks, but I'll chance it.--Thylacine24 (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

How can i add blogs in wikipedia?

Hello! My question is how can i add blog in wikipedia? I want to know about this. Thank You>> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clash of null (talk • contribs) 23:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Clash of null: Wikipedia does not host blogs, if you are looking for a place to host a blog, there are other sites for that. On the other hand, you are welcome to write an article about a notable blog. Danski454 (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Clash of null: In addition to what Danski454 said above about hosting blogs and writing an article about a notable blog, you may be asking about citing a blog. Blogs are usually not considered reliable sources because they are usually self-published. However, some blogs are reliable sources if their authors are considered experts. In that case, you would cite them using the {{Cite web}} template. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:42, 24 July 2020 (UTC)