User talk:Wikidas/archive4

Capitalization

Will do that from now on. Thanks for resolving the problem Juthani1 ^tcs 20:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review of Climate

You made a couple comments that there were POV issues and breadth issues with parts of the article. Which parts? I'd like to make the relevant changes to help get it along the FAC track. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review of 2008 attacks on North Indians in Maharashtra

Thanks for reviewing the GA nomination. However, can you cite examples for the POV issues, on the basis of which it was failed. - KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 (talk) 04:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Swaminarayan Images

I have added [[Category:Swaminarayan Images]] to 81 images related to the Swaminarayan Faith. By doing this we now have a category for all Swaminarayan Pictures. If I missed an, please add [[Category:Swaminarayan Images]] to the image Juthani1 ^tcs 23:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please sign my guestbook. I use it to get to users I frequently contact. I would appreciate it Juthani1 ^tcs 23:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV

Don't you think that this edit might be a little WP:NPOV-ey? Stating unequivocally that he "possessed inate ability" is pretty subjective, even with a reference... Tan | 39 19:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the problem then is that it's not presented as a quote - it's presented as a fact. Something should be added to make this clear; "XXX believes that...", or "Some critics believe that...". You can answer here on this page, instead of breaking up the conversation over two talk pages. Tan | 39 20:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

B class

Namaskar,

I was thinking of nominating Sahajanand Swami and Swaminarayan temples for B-Class status - wanted to know your thoughts on the same. Around The Globe^Contact 13:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks,

I dint realise tht the rating of the Sahajanand Swami article has been changed. Could you pl. tell me how I could better the temples article to B-Class within this scope? The temples outside India are pretty much covered (80 to 90% you could say), whiles the Indian temples list is miniscule compared to the actual number (there must be atleast 200 within India - probably more - I hv no Idea how many). Iv added all the info on the temples tht I hv. Around The Globe^Contact 14:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Iv req Juthani1 to do the Gujarati thing - hes supposed to be able to write intht script .. I not devnagari script but I dont hv the software and I dont trust my spellings! Around The Globe^Contact 01:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Juthani1 has added it in Gujarati n Iv added it in Devnagari. Around The Globe^Contact 16:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA

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WikiProject Good articles newsletter

RE: DYK

Great job - congratulations! Qudos to you for getting the article up within a week! Around The Globe^Contact 12:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Haridasa Thakur

On 8 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Haridasa Thakur, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 12:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at Kalki

Hello, I notice you are an experienced editor on Hinduism related subjects. Could you please take the time to look at Kalki? It is currently (in his own words) guarded by Ghostexorcist. And I don't have the experience to know how to make changes that don't get reverted. These are my concerns about it. See if you agree.

An inordinate portion of the article is devoted to subjects tangential to the Hindu concept under the heading "Modern variations of the Kalki prophecy." I think this title itself is a contradiction in terms. What modern variation of the prophesy is there in Hinduism? It might read "modern interpretations" but Ghostexorcist will not allow even this to be discussed.
The way the section is put together it gives the impression that the views of one author Savitri Devi Mukherji that Adolf Hitler was Kalki is a part of Hindu thought. By excluding other similar silly notions he puts un-due focus to that one idea, making Hinduism look morally baron.
By having this Nazi allusion follow directly after Alejandro Biondini, a Nazi in Argentina, Ghostexorcist is de facto insisting on giving the Kalki concept a nazi connotation and I can't understand his motive.
Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Undue_weight holds that Wikipedia is not a repository for opinions that almost no one holds - such as that Hitler was Kalki - a view that apparently a single Hindu author who is now dead had. By insisting on having this rare opinion kept highlighted he gives the impression this is a genuine Hindu view by not saying it is not. This seems a clear case of "undue weight" as defined by Wikipedia.

What I was hoping is that you might know one or two experienced editors like yourself that could bring some weight to bear on that article. As it is it goes nowhere as all serious changes are reverted by Ghostexorcist who says he guards the article. Thank you for your time. I hope you will help.Vedantahindu (talk) 14:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help. Vedantahindu (talk) 14:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I

Dab had a few points, particularly regarding the creation of Krishna avatar sub-articles and placing them "under construction". It is generally much better form to place such articles in a sandbox, like User:Wikidas/Article name here, and keep them there until they're developed. If the articles are, for whatever reason, already extant in a way, such as having an article on the subject in a general sense, as opposed to as an avatar, then it will often work much better to just add that content to the existing article, and only branching off if the size gets unmanagable. Also, I do get the impression, as have others, that you do take any perceived slights as being an insult to your beliefs and/or to you personally. If that is true, trust me, all of us, including you, would be better off if you could develop a thicker skin about that. I think I've seen Jesus described as Satan incarnate at least one place in here, and, god help me, that statement, or rather the more specific statement that Jesus was the serpent in the Garden of Eden, is what those people believe. To me, it is a joke, an insult, and a blasphemy, but they believe it, and in content relating to those groups, it is both relevant and appropriate. John Carter (talk) 15:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks John, I think its a very insightful observation. I will try to improve. Wikidās ॐ 17:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article

Probably the best thing to do would be for the existing article to be renamed something like Govind Dev Ji temple, Jaipur, move the content related to that structure from your article to that, and add a short summary section to your article, with a "see also" link under the section heading to the separate article. But the building in Jaipur is, I'm guessing, notable enough in its own right to have a separate article. John Carter (talk) 19:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is. Thank you Wikidās ॐ 19:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA nom

Hi Wikidas. Just to remind you that your review of Muhammad was due on 8 June. I hope that the adherence to 1RR and the general quietness have eased your concerns about stability. Regarding the Aisha issue, which is a minor one, there was no consensus to insert the age because it wasn't an important factor in any reliable source summary of Aisha's significance/notability. We have retained mentioned of the word young in passing which is a good compromise IMO, and the specifics are discussed over at the relevant article. Thank you for taking the time to review. Regards, ITAQALLAH 10:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Swaminarayan

I need help with setting it up and thought that your experience could help me do so. I know that the main WP:hinduism template is located at Template:WikiProject Hinduism but was wondering where the template for the Krishnaism workgroup is located. To see my progress, check out my sandbox Juthani1 ^tcs 16:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying. I just need help with making a template that goes on the talkpages of all Swaminarayan articles Juthani1 ^tcs 19:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Wikidas, Concerning Gusainji‎

Hello Wikidas. After assessing articles for the project, I came across an article titled Gusainji‎. I have never heard of this character, and after a number of searches - I was not able to find any reliable sources for the subject. Have you ever heard of this personality, and if so do you know of any reliabble sources for the subject? I have nominated the article for deletion and listed it on the Hinduism deletion sorting page. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 07:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move

I moved the article to Bhagwan Swaminarayan after a majority voted that it should be moved to that. The correct spellng when translated form Gujarati has a "w". The religion is mainly practiced by Gujaratis, because that is where Bhagwan Swaminarayan decided to stay. I made no changes to the intro so that it would look normal ad because Sahajanand SWami is the official name. Thanks. Juthani1 ^tcs 15:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Batch refs

I don't know how you're finding them all,[1] but thanks for adding them. Folks like you make Wikipedia a success. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 11:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article Muhammad

You have inserted certain text into the Muhammad article and it had been taken out because it was not discussed in the talk page and not thoroughly investagated. If you insert this text about the Hindu view again it will be considerd vandalism untill you do not discuss it into the Muhammad article talk page and provide assistance. --Veer87 (talk) 03:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hinduism

Why are you supporting editors who are messing up the Hinduism article. Some editors are pushing POV's which complies to their political or theological stand. Why isn't discussion been followed on controveresies? Why are un-nessasary adjectives being added to sentenses.

Above all Hinduism is a religion(belief system) and not a political party. Like every religion its teachers, scholars and adherants should define and interpret what Hinduism is, because ultimately they believe in it. Communists or Christian missionaries cannot define it or interpret it for hindus. Sindhian (talk) 16:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do not support editors - I support edits. I try to base all my edits on reliable sources, selecting the sources is important. I just can not start changing the sources or add unsourced material to any article. That is plain wrong. I appreciate your input and I agree that some editors MAY have a hidden agenda of discrediting Hinduism, however I play by the rules and assume good faith, even if attacked personally. I think we are making progress on that article, it will take a few weeks to get there, but we will do not worry... Wikidās ॐ 17:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swaminarayan Sampraday

Namaskar,

Could u pl view the Swaminarayan Sampraday page and tell me whether its worth nominating for B class? I was working on it some time back - Iv been off for some time now - though I regularly pop in and out.

Thanks, Around The Globe^Contact 23:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks, Wikidas for your comments. I appreciate it; I am not the best in formatting and appreciate your corrections!!

Raj2004 (talk) 01:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is difficulty in defining hinduism!

I think there are none at all. Hindus are those who follow 'dharma' (duty and righteous action) and say that they are hindus. Kind of belief about God/Gods/Goddesses or none is a person's choice. Where is the problem? Aupmanyav (talk) 10:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I have left a reply on your talkpage. Lets keep discussion in one place. Wikidās ॐ 10:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

french

too your spik french —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.33.188 (talk) 23:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Devata

I think we should stick to god - devata is a more Hindu and devnagari word - whiles god is more international. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 23:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

god in some hindu traditions does not mean the same as god in other traditions. Deva is the original name, and there are many kinds of devas or devatas. It is my opinion, that when translation gets tought, better to go to the sanskrit root. Wikidās ॐ 11:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Though I agree with you to an extent, you and me will know of deva/ devata - but not everyone. If we use an english word it would be generally understood. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 12:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or understood in the exact meaning it was meant to be. For last few hundred years gods - meant pagan gods. So Hindu gods mean, Hindu pagan gods. I do not know if that what you want to say? Wikidās ॐ 12:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vishnuism discussion

I am sorry that i indulged in a personal attack yesterday, instead of just commenting on the text. I am sorry if i hurt your sentiments. I know, we will continue to co-operate to make WikiProject Hinduism articles better, especially Krishna reach FA.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 14:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Wikidas. I come to this discussion on Vishnuism in agreement with you in that Vishnuism can be distinguished from Vaishnavism. For me, the Gavin Flood reference on pages 114 to 127 make this clear - though, unfortunately, he does not discuss the historical evolution of Vishnu worship using the terms Vishnuism and then Vaishnavism. The information provides evidence of this, but does not state it. Presently, I do not see any clear sources, other than Gonda. Do you know of any other sources, or if I am misunderstanding your arguments, can you explain a bit further. I am going to wait to hear more before I vote, as this is a little complex for my understanding. I will remain open to any comments you and other editors have. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will be looking at it in a day or so. The argument is a little technical, but is educational in essence. Wikidās ॐ 23:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:7samp.jpg

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Hinduism

Hello,

You made a mistake: the books I mntionned were in the "Further Reading" section, a section for books not used in the references. I added the referecnes in the text anyway, so now they are fully cited.

TwoHorned (talk) 17:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your note. I do not think that they are about this specific topic and will be removed. Wikidās ॐ 17:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lalbal

Namaskar,

This user has been editing (and vandalising) a lot of Swaminarayan-related pages recently. I feel his intentions are however good, and if the guy is taught some wiki rules he could be an asset for the Swaminarayan Workgroup that is being formed. Iv tried to knock some sence into him - it may help if you too could leave him a message. Sorry for the trouble - Thanks, Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 17:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. He just need to talk to people and use the talkpages. Wikidās ॐ 17:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any wiki tutorial that you can suggest this chap to take in order for him to know how to edit? Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 18:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User process, I use it myself. You can select one from the list. Wikidās ॐ 18:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swaminarayan says Shri Krishna is God

Namaskar, Wikidas I agree with your changes but I just added a title with the above name in Talk Hinduism, so readers can know what the topic is before being redirected.

Thanks,

Raj2004 (talk) 00:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

purebhakti.com as a source

I have explained on Syama's talk page why the particular pages used from the purebhakti website were not the best choices as reliable sources. I hope my explanation was clear and accurate. --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 03:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Titles and names of Krishna

Namaskar,

I have a suggestion. I just saw tht u put the above cat on Nara Narayana. I feel its too big - wouldnt Forms of Krishna be better? Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 19:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC) I do not think there is Category:Forms of Krishna?? Let me know what you mean:-) are you talking about new cat? Wikidās ॐ 19:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC) thought u made a new cat - thts y the suggestion. In tht case the cat name could be changed. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 22:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So you can propose this under categories for discussion board, I guess the category can be copied. I think it could be a good category. Wikidās ॐ 22:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldnt add Swaminarayan to Forms of Krishna because of the same thing. Thats the reason I suggested Hindu Deities. Thanks Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 14:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem: Friedhelm Hardy

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It is a clear mistake of application of the copyvio, almost every single sentence is rewritten in MY OWN WORDS. Please Avoid_Copyright_Paranoia and have some sense. Since when speaking in ones own words and staying close to the original is the copivio? Be reasonable! Its disruptive when your criteria is applied so selectively and without real reason. Wikidās ॐ 11:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Practically every sentence I looked at had been lifted verbatim or almost verbatim from one or another source. Just adding or subtracting a word here or there does not make it original content. It's an abuse of trust to submit articles to DYK which are not your own work, and I am currently turning over in my mind what steps we can take to deter this sort of thing in future. In the meantime however, I have disqualified your article, and I will be examining your future submissions with a great deal more care. Gatoclass (talk) 11:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is your view which clearly subjective, I understand your position being the frontpage editor, but its it is what is called Copyright Paranoya. Wikidās ॐ 11:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot just recreate an article that was nominated for copyright violations on a new page. If you want to fix the article, the correct procedure is to create a temporary page outside of mainspace. Your "fixed" article at the new page still contains copyright violations and I am going to have to delete it. Please don't recreate the page in mainspace again until the original article has been properly reviewed. Gatoclass (talk) 15:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have followed the correct procedure that is incidentally intended to ensure that 'suspected' copyvio is not traceable via article history. Its on the temp page in the talk page as required. I am taking an advise of supervising senior editor to ensure I do not fall a victim of overzealous editorship. Wikidās ॐ 16:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Karma in Hinduism

Wikidas, I started the article Karma in Hinduism and citing theistic sources. I want to improve the article to a level to Featured article status.

Can you help? Thanks,

Raj2004 (talk) 11:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I will have some time at the weekend (interestingly it is a different concept according to a particular tradition, for example tantric traditions are influenced by the Buddhists concept of :karma:? and now it spills over to orthodox hindus too. ) Wikidās ॐ 11:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New category

You seem to have established the people associated with the Oxford Centre for Vaishnava and Hindu Studies category. The name changed in 2003 dropping the word Vaishnava. Would it be better then to drop the rename this category as it may cause confusion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tilakman (talk • contribs) 00:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

==Move==

Why did you move it back without the consent of me or ATG. We could have discussed it before hand. I need reason for the move. it has nothing to do with MOS, or does it? Juthani1 ^tcs 22:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was not me who moved it. I only bolded the title to MoS. I thought you moved it? Who was it? Wikidās ॐ 06:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems the request has been declined. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 16:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the references on Shri Chaitayna

Wikidas, thanks for the references on Chaitayana. Anyone who claims to be an avatar of Krishna should be able to demonstrate the Universal form to his devotees or otherwise I would think he's a fraud. To worship a fraud as God is a great sin in the shastras. Even Lord Krishna killed an imposter who pretended to be Him.

Raj2004 (talk) 20:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC) you are fine..[reply]

Category:Hare Krishnas

<snip> If you have a problem with the term "Hare Krishna" being used (which is the only thing I can think of that might have prompted your edits) then of course the proper means would be a nomination for renaming of categories via WP:CFD. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message - I have read it and noted the content very carefully. Hare Krishna refers to the mantra, it sometimes refers to Hare Krishna movement, that only includes ISKCON as a part; It is an informal name and is not a formal name of the religious affiliation. It is incorrect to assume few things, first that ISKCON equals Hare Krishna, it is not, secondly not everyone who is influenced by ISKCON is a Hare Krishna, as it evolves more then chanting Hare Krishna to become one; Hare Krishna is a proper category only when and where its the means of self identification within Hindu denominations under regional categories, not as a name of an organization. I have also expressed a number of reasons for CfDs under relevant pages for nomination. Wikidās ॐ 04:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of your justifications or reasons—I'm sure you have them—the underlying point is we don't manually neuter categories in this way. If you want them changed, you do a CFD nomination, not empty it of contents and parents. I'd also appreciate my own comments not being deleted/edited by you. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

new article on Vedavyasapriya Swami

Hello Wikidas. I hope this message greats you in good health and high spirits. I came across an Afd for Vedavyasapriya Swami quite a few hours ago. At first I thought it was just another article about an independent guru with a personal website. Though upon review, I see that this person is an ISKCON swami and has a history as a religious leader in ISKCON going well beyond 25 years (as noted in the New Vrindavan article that is referenced.) I have located 2 reliable sources, a list of ISKCON swamis and an ISKCON News article about him installing an important deity at New Vrindavan. Any thoughts, edits and/or advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richard L Thompson

Hi, I removed this entry from the dab page cos we don't (yet) have a page for him, and there are no other links that go to such a page. Those are the manual of style's criteria. IF the page is created, then by all means you or I should reinstate it. --AndrewHowse (talk) 18:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brought the cat up again

In case you're interested, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 21#Category:LGBT Hare Krishnas. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Religions article

Hello Brother. Currently some POV users such are reverting changes made by Nexxt 1, who is imputing completely referenced material that Hinduism is the world's most ancient religion, and other material. The POV users are disrupting his changes. Would you please be able to step in and take the side of user Nexxt 1? Thanks. - Angle reflection —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angle reflection (talk • contribs) 21:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swaminarayan Workgroup

I need help with some technical difficulties I'm haing and thought that you might be able to help. Please see my latest comment on the talkpage of WP:Swaminarayan. Since you created WP:KRISHNA for the most part, I think that you should be able to fix it. The problem deals with the assessment template that I originally had trouble creating Juthani1 ^tcs 21:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your help in order to make this workgrooup reality. Your help is now further required to make this a successful workgroup! Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 23:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was resolved now.

ANI

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UBX

Just to inform you, I made a new UBX for WP:KRISHNA- Template:User Krishnaism WikiProject

This user is a member of WikiProject Krishnaism.

Let me know what you think Juthani1 ^tcs 15:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC) Thanks looks good.[reply]

Vishnu and monotheism.

Why did you revert to the incorrect statements about Yahweh? Whether or not you agree with who Yahweh is irrelevant. Since the father of monotheism: Abraham, Yahweh's believers have held him to be the only existing God: a monotheistic belief. Monotheism is by definition "exclusive" while inclusivism is pantheism, and not monotheism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.69.124 (talk) 01:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will not agree with the POV that Abraham is 'father of monotheism' ether. (here) Not historically correct.

enforcing personal beliefs?

Wikids your statements about Yahweh are at odds with what the 2 billion odd adherants of Abrahamic faiths believe. It is not cool to push your own beliefs in a Wiki article about peoples belief. Get a blog if you need to. Secondly, you're not grasping pantheism if you're claiming worship of Vishnu is monotheistic. It is at best monism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.139.236.19 (talk) 14:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually do not leave any more messages on my talk please. I think you believe that that Abraham has 2 billion adherents and he was a monotheist. It is your belief that you are pushing. Wikidās ॐ 20:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yahweh

Yahweh literally means "I am". It's believed to be the name of God. It does not, as 'Allah' or "Theos" do, mean "God". Please do not revert to a linguistically incorrect version —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.142.223.52 (talk) 15:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC) Please stop POV pushing. Please read the guidelines: for you[reply]

In 30 years of studying religions of the world the only time I have ever encountered anyone calling Vaisnavism "monotheism" is on this Wikipedia page. As such, I am correcting a POV that contradicts standard generally accepted descriptions. Vaisnavism is a denomination of Hinduism, and as such, falls under Hinduism's pantheistic worldview. This is commonly accepted knowledge. Keeping such POV in the Vaisnavism article only serves to diminish Wikipedias reputation for correct information.

Dear IP,

It does not show you in a very good light does it if in 30 years of your religious life your teachers did not tell you much? I have already posted it on the Talk page, just a sampler:

(Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics Part 24: V. 24 - Page 571)by James Hastings, John Alexander Selbie, Louis Herbert Gray ,1922

Page 571

Hindu Philosophy - Page 18

by Theos Bernard

Indian Buddhism - Page 510by Anthony Kennedy Warder

Religious Movements in South Asia 600-1800 - Page 304by David N. Lorenzen - 2004 - 380 pages

Monier- Williams now described the Vaishnava faith (identified with bhakti) as a monotheism.

Historia Religionum: Handbook for the History of Religions - Page 299

by C. J. Bleeker, G. Widengren - 1971

I guess in Canada that do not read books? (Except for the Good book:-) Wikidās ॐ 20:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings

Best Wishes on the Occasion of Diwali -- Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 18:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ATG.

Hinduism in Russia

Have made some edits to Hinduism in Russia page. [2] I am not certain that my editing has been done in the correct wikipedia format, and wondered if you would be gracious enough to just take a look at it and reply on this page or the talk page of the article.

My edits corrected an unencyclopaedic description of Iskcon as following a 'western interpretation' of Hinduism, Which I beleive was only posted due to editors not wanting to criticise the Russian Orthodox Church. Sadly, this Church seems to provide a far more damning critique of itself than a third part ever could, and as such I have added material, and links, relating to a letter sent by the Archbishop, describing Krishna as a 'demon'.

clearly this material outlines the POV of one of the main parties involved in this conflict, and should show people what this controversy was/is about.

Harrifer (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC) Done some cleanup.[reply]

Template talk:Krishna

Regarding removal of Vithoba, Have replied on the page, also left a note with ATG. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Cremo

Hi. Could you explain this edit? I understand that you want to make the article more neutral, and I think it did need some trimming. However, we should discuss at least a couple specific points of criticism that have been made about his work. I think the sentence you removed does that without being too sensationalistic. And though the source looks like a personal site, the piece was originally published in a print journal. [3] Zagalejo^^^ 19:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything is explained in WP:BLP - if you want to discuss book in more then a nutshell - create a separate article. It is not even his own book, he just co-authored it so..

Yeah, I've read BLP. That doesn't mean that we should be writing hagiographies, though. Cremo's books are controversial. There's no getting around that. We definitely want to keep the article from being an attack piece, but we shouldn't try to whitewash everything that might be negative.

That said, if you want to create a separate article on the book, go ahead. I wouldn't mind. Zagalejo^^^ 05:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like we are on the same page on this one. Certainly no need to whitewash, just keep it as a biography and to appropriate degree critical. Yes new article could be a good idea, since it is hardly only his book and possibly not the only reason for notability.

re: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment working group

Wikidas,

Hope you are in good health and high spirits. Concerning Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment working group, I wanted to see if you have any thoughts on if this group might help the Vaishnavism Wikiproject, the Krishnaism Wikiproject, and the Swaminarayan Wikiproject. If each one had a coordinator to work with this council, it might help improve the articles in each project. I think it is a good idea to communicate amongst the projects, please let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 17:34, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. After reading the proposal (which is still evolving), it seemed a good idea to have some process where editors from other projects can analyze articles through a coordinated review processes involving projects directly related for peer review, and non related projects as well. Though, the Afd process might make the whole thing moot, and I may be reading some of this incorrectly as well. For now, I will continue to watch the debate, see if any good ideas come up and note them. Thanks again. Ism schism (talk) 19:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, please do let me know of you conclusions and the way forward.

Wikidas, I think this Assessment work group is going to pass the Afd process. It may be voted down in the future, but as it will be around for a while, I think it best to have a couple of coordinators for each projects like Vaishnavism, Krishnaism, and the larger Hinduism project. The Swaminarayan already have two specific coordinators. I have posted a request on each project's talk page to see what, if any, editors want to work with this Assessemnt working group and be a liason for the project. I will sign up for one probably, just don't know which project I could work best with. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 15:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added my name as one of the coordinators for the Vaishnavism Wikiproject and the Krishnaism Wikiproject. Whether you want to work with either project, or both, as a coordinator, or just hang back for a while - let me know. The Swaminarayan Wikiproject, like most, has two representatives. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yadunandana Swami

Hello Wikidas,

Concerning the article, Yadunandana Swami, and your recent edits - I was wondering - is he is a swami, or might he become a swami? Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-)

My apologies, I see that he recieved initiation as sannyasa by Jayadvaita Swami on March 10 at Radhadesh. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 09:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where do you see that:? ...

I have not seen any news article after the fact, but the 28 Feb 2009 article, "Bhaktivedanta College Principal Accepts Renounced Order," stated the March 10 date at Radhadesh. As ISKCON News is a reliable sources for these things, it seems to verify the initiation, unless some new news story comes out and says otherwise. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It is clear now, we all appreciate your input. Wikidās ॐ 20:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sankarshan Das Adhikari deletion review

This page was being accessed by thousands of people around the world. I don't understand why this page was suddenly deleted. How can I appeal for review and try to get this page back? It was definitely not self-promotion, because it was not written by Sankarshan Das Adhikari himself. Also he is a notable figure among Vaishnavas around the world, and his notability is increasing. His daily newsletter has over 10,000 daily readers and increasing... Bindumadhava (talk) 19:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is defined not by popularity but by being subject to third party reliable sources. All his sources did not focus on him personally or were blogs. See WP:Notability. We normally include from ISKCON side notable sannyasis, GBC and controversial notable people, or people involved in education/academics. He seems to be a regular guru to us. Maybe if someone of academics/third party/notable source writes an article on him or someone writes a book about him, he will become notable and will be included. Again WP:Notability. Wikidās ॐ 23:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that quick reply. I think I see what you may mean, but "notable" does mean popularity see "http://www.thefreedictionary.com/notable) - "a person of distinction or great reputation" or "widely known and esteemed; "a famous actor"; "a celebrated musician"; "a famed scientist"; "an illustrious judge"; "a notable historian"; "a renowned painter"", otherwise what is so special about mundane personalities like politicians and stage entertainers which wikipedia is full of? In this case of Sankarshan Das Adhikari, he has pioneered Internet preaching of Krishna Consciousness What would qualify as reliable 3rd party information? There are innumerable news articles in different languages, many of them in print - how can we make those available as a link. Also, if such 3rd party material was available, can the past content be recovered or would the entire article have to be written from scratch? Bindumadhava (talk) 17:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See: WP:BIO shows the difference between famous and notable in Wiki. I would not call him famous either in the thefreedictionary sense. Wikidās ॐ

Thanks again. That was quick. OK. I disagree with you, but that should not stand in the way. You are looking at a certain very narrowly defined term of "notable". Can you give me an example list of "authoritative" 3rd party sources? Also, please could you answer the question above "if such 3rd party material was available, can the past content be recovered or would the entire article have to be written from scratch?" Bindumadhava (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can ask it at WP:RSN -- any source that you have can be discussed there. Wikidās ॐ

Unexplained reversions

Hello, you have been reverting many articles to versions from several months ago without explanation, often making them worse. Why is this? Shreevatsa (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC) -Looked at [4] without looking at dates. Single purpose link ad account/ip. Links should go, not the content/changes after. Wikidās ॐ 15:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidas, I too noticed the same thing. you should go back and self-revert all such edits and then remove any problematic external-link individually. Abecedare (talk) 15:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Possible vandalism

I also noted that, as above -- without explanation -- you reverted dozens of edits by several editors [5]. It appears you were attempting to comprehensively revert a vandal. However, you didn't give an explanation, and you reverted other edits. Piano non troppo (talk) 19:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Explanations are in the WP policy that was discussed on the talk page of the article. Just adding honorifics does not not improve the article. Wikidās ॐ 07:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree about honorifics, of course. I was actually just noting that you caught my edit in you revert, too, and I was just culling external links. Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 20:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Direction of Management

Wikidas, why do you have a problem with having Direction of Management on Wikipedia? One of the pillars of religiosity is truthfulness. What is wrong with being truthful? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuttamadasi (talk • contribs) 20:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trustfully, I do not care for it being on Wikipedia, just as no scholar or academic ever made a point of reference to this outdated document (which seems to mean something to you). If no secondary sources support the need of it being on Wiki, I take it that your purpose is just spamming with the links to unreliable sources. Please note that all such links will be removed under Wikipedia policies, how truthful are you if you do not follow the rules and did not even read them? You are engaged in what is called POV pushing. Wikidās ॐ 20:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the interest of clearing any confusion as to my identity, let it be known forthwith:

I am Roupa Manjari devi dasi Zakheim, disciple of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, wife and consort of Naara Narayan das Vishwakarma Prabhu, aka Nathan Zakheim, 1968 initiated disciple of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, resident and native of Los Angeles, California.

I am committed to spreading the truth of the ISKCON Krishna Consciousness Movement through any and all available media, including WIKIPEDIA.COM, to creating access for all people around the world to Srila Prabhupada's Sublime Vani for the balance of the Golden Age of Kali Yuga, for instating Srila Prabhupada's founding document the Direction of Management into every ISKCON temple around the world... ----Roupa Manjari devi dasi —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoupaManjaridevidasi (talk • contribs) 19:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I got your message. Wikidās ॐ 20:14, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

April 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bhakti. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Abecedare (talk) 06:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removing content from article on GUjarati Wikipedia

Hi Wikidas, May I know the reason behind your edits of ઇસ્કોન on Gujarati wiki? Why have you removed those two links of news sites from this article? I will appreciate you spending sometime in replying this on my talkpage on Gujarati wikipedia.-- Dhaval^Talk 07:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply, but on gujarati wiki we don't mind them having there. I am reverting the changes, please don't revert my edits again.-- Dhaval^Talk 10:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)a[reply]