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Edit Warring

Hi Widefox. With regards to Sam Warburton, it takes two to edit war. Please remember that while WP:3RR is a bright line, you can be blocked for edit warring without going over 3 reverts. Please note that the reason I did not block you in this case is that you did not go over 3 reverts and you do not have a history of edit warring on that article like Erzan (talk · contribs) does. Instead of repeatedly reverting with edit summaries that say to stop edit warring, consider reaching out for administrator assistance quicker. Best, Tiptoety talk 23:24, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

(sigh and scratch head). I think the 3RR rules have changed since anyone has said something like this to me - good tip to re-read. You may have a point retrospectively. Being as I'm not involved in a content dispute - each of my edits guiding to reach consensus on the talkpage, with the aim of flagging up this editor's mass BLP changing (disruptive editing) - the slow escalation procedure of which normally involves giving multiple escalating warnings (in contrast to 3RR), where premature reporting is rightfully admonished. I didn't expect a 3RR issue at all....WP needs to find ways of incentivising standing up to long term disruption such as this without shooting the totally uninvolved editor. I'm not even sure that editor has broken 3RR this time, which is why I included the older more likely 3RR.
Summary: agree with the letter of what you're saying, and as to the spirit of reporting earlier - one may ponder if it's the same reason non-admins haven't reported this editor until now - 3RR reporting headache (all those diffs)? Someone else's problem? Boomerang? Shooting messenger? I hope you'll warn the previous editors for edit warring and failure to report? At least I reported, which was clearly my aim from the outset. Oh, and nice to see you here Tiptoety, don't recall coming across you before. Widefox; talk 00:23, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
My aim wasn't for this to be as much of an official warring as a word of guidance. As I mentioned, it was apparent that you did not have a history on the article like the other party did. I just think people don't realize there is a difference between WP:EDITWAR and WP:3RR. Best, Tiptoety talk 00:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
(ec - was just softening my reply....) Mia culpa - I need to re-read 3RR. Widefox; talk 00:46, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Evolva Wikipedia Page

Hi, I am reaching out to you and sphilbrick in regards to the recently deleted Wikipedia page Evolva Holding. Would you have a moment to give input on a collection of secondary third-party verifiable sources for the intent of re-qualifying Evolva for a stub-class Wikipedia article? My disclosure of potential conflict of interest (not an employee of Evolva) is intended to foster goodwill in my collaboration with you. OK with reviewing the secondary source links and/or sandbox? Look forward to your favorable response. Thank you!

Presto808 (talk) 21:23, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:Article creation? Maybe try the Wikipedia:Article wizard, and see WP:COI. It would also help if you disclosed what your potential COI is on your userpage, and if you edited under any other account names in the past. Sorry to sound a bit bureaucratic, but I think you can understand being as it was a paid editor article in the past. As for help, I mainly edit dabs and IT, regards Widefox; talk 21:36, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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Ubuntu Studio

(snip - moved to Talk:Ubuntu_Studio#Sources) Widefox; talk 17:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Brunel comment

Hello. By all means put back anything you like, but if it was just you making a comment, someone using a mistake in that comment to pile some unpleasant abuse onto a third party, and you correcting that mistake in response, I think we can just live with the corrected version. --McGeddon (talk) 08:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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 Done incl. dab page. Widefox; talk 11:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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Liverpool International College

(moved to Talk:Liverpool International College) Widefox; talk 10:38, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Kshitij English Boarding School

Hello Widefox. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Kshitij English Boarding School, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to schools. Thank you. GedUK  12:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Sapkota

(moved to Talk:Bidur Prasad Sapkota) Widefox; talk 13:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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Info needed

My user id 'user:Vin09' is mentioned in sapkota's page and i got a notification on my notification tab. May i know the info?Vin09 (talk) 12:16, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

You commented there and removed it, please could you continue there thanks. Widefox; talk 19:51, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I had downloaded the logo of Araniko television searching from google. How can I be able to use that material in the page? Can you please describe it clearly?ASCII-002 I NotifyOnline 08:42, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Read the copyright links I left you. Widefox; talk 08:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I also had downloaded the pictures which I used for Liverpool International College, Dhaneshwor Temple and Bidur Prasad Sapkota. Can I keep them on wikipedia articles?

ASCII-002 I NotifyOnline 08:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qazi Mohammad Obaidullah Alvi

Ouch. Look at the other contribs of that editor and despair. I am torn between AGFing some due to systemic bias in our coverage and source availability and calling a bunch of hoax alarms. I prodded one, the read Pir Hadi abdul Mannan. Scholarly reviews of his works would make him notable, but... I see nothing about this person in Google Books, or even nothing in regular Google. Either the author is mistranslating names, not only of his subjects but also sources (for example, I find nothing for "Critical Articles About Punjabi Poetry of Hadi Abdul Mannan"), in which case they can be saved by providing names in non-English script (in this case, Arabic), or we have a problem: dozen or so hoaxes. Since you AfD this one, can you look into this a bit more? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Yup, I've looked at the father article of the AfDed one Molana Mian Mohammed Abdullah Alvi. It appears similar. Want me to just list them all in the one AfD? Widefox; talk 08:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I am afraid this is the best as the author has not replied. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Note about reverting an entire change because of one problem in it

Hi, when you reverted this edit, instead of simply de-linking the link to the CAF, you removed my text change as well. The CIC hasn't been a sub-component of the reserve force for years now, being replaced by COATS, and is now only a personnel branch within the CAF. I'd caution you when reverting: don't remove an entire edit because there was a problem with one part of it, and instead change the single part in error. Otherwise, you risk losing good information over (in this case) a stylistic change. Thanks, Ajraddatz (Talk) 17:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

You make an incorrect edit to a dab page and when I revert it (anyone's prerogative) you try to caution me? You're joking right! Please read WP:MOSDAB next time. You're also assuming I agree with your text, which I don't. See concise in MOSDAB. With your edit count and steward, I thought I wouldn't template you. Widefox; talk 17:20, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Well... you missed my point. I haven't been active on the English Wikipedia for years, nor have I ever done work with disambig pages. I wasn't aware of the guideline MOS for them (thanks for at least linking to that in the revert btw). What I would hope though, is that when dealing with any edit that includes an error, you won't just blindly revert the entire thing and instead fix the error present. But if this is too much for you, and you'd prefer to remove potentially valuable content and respond in such a defensive way, I can't stop you. Have a nice day, Ajraddatz (Talk) 17:25, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
(ec) The point is...dabs aren't articles...more than one link is a fundamental dab page problem not a style issue per WP:DABYESNO. You can learn and accept that as you will. Widefox; talk 17:34, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

SPIs

You have to provide diffs, clerks won't do the heavy lifting searching for diffs to show similar editing, and Check Users need them also. See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations. Dougweller (talk) 16:49, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Widefox, I had a question about this as well. At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fakir-u-llah Bakoti, you mentioned some accounts which were found to be sockpuppets but you didn't specify how they were connected to the article. I'm asking because the article looks like a doozy to investigate and I was wondering if there is some sort of funny business going on with it. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:42, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Angel Face

Hi. You were absolutely correct about the cut-and-paste nature of the plot section of this article. I haven't seen the film in about 5 years, but I attempted to re-write the plot. Please let me know what you think, especially if you believe it is still not far enough away from a paraphrase issue. I used the prior material as a structure, but think I've corrected the issue, therefore in the spirit of WP:BOLD, I've removed your tag. Onel5969 (talk) 04:55, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's better, but needs attribution and is close. Continue at Talk:Angel Face (1953 film). Widefox; talk 12:21, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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Connexion

Hi Widefox. I've responded at Talk:Connexion. I agree dab pages are not a substitute for Wiktionary, but in this case it seems sensible to mention the primary meaning, at least in passing. --Bermicourt (talk) 13:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment...

Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman, and the criteria for FA articles is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 23:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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Malaysia Airlines Flight 17: Countries' flags

(moved to Talk:Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 and replied there) Widefox; talk 14:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I technically only deleted my own comment (it was repeated) because it didn't need to be said twice. And about your part of the comment which was: "Don't know your point about the box - layout is fixed" - that was technically a reply to my comment (which would be confusing if I already deleted my comment about the box). The reason why was because I was just pointing out how the problem with the conflict infobox (which you were trying to fix) started. Of course it was already fixed by the time I messaged you, but I just wanted to comment on it, not necessary to keep it. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 16:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

(Sorry about not explaining it afterward though. I didn't think it was necessary.) Supersaiyen312 (talk) 16:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Supersaiyen312: sure, I can refrain from your talk page on this per WP:NOBAN, but as you don't WP:OWN it, anyone is free to post to it. What do you expect if you refuse to even acknowledge or restore other's talk page edits when asked civilly? As for swearing, "mostly" / "technically", and claiming I shouldn't relocate article talk from my talk, you may want to reflect on treating others the way you wish to be treated. Thanks, Widefox; talk 20:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Article ratings

(moved to Talk:Mensural notation#Rating , reply is there) Widefox; talk 12:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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Please cease and desist writing on my Talk page

I don't know who you are so I need no lectures from you. I do not trust you. I never addressed you so please stay away from me. Not a good idea to publish your twitter account but I it is your right to write on YOUR Talk page. JUST never instigate me again and do not gang up on me. Worldedixor (talk) 02:22, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I iterate my request to please stop instigating and patronizing me on my Talk page

You are making false statements on my Talk page and violating WP:GF. Please do not make false accusations and stop ganging up on me. I have NOT made threats about other editor's identities and have not engaged in any of WP:NPA and WP:OUTING. WP:NOTHERE as you falsely stated. If you stop wasting my time, act civil and make me COMFORTABLE, I may be inclined to share my extensive knowledge... Worldedixor (talk) 07:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Meh. Seek a third opinion / admin assistance if you really believe any of this. Widefox; talk 08:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Meh?... That's inappropriate and in violation of WP:HTBC. Please stop communicating with me and stop "Meh"ing me and ganging up on me. I thank you in advance. Worldedixor (talk) 08:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Stop communicating on this talk page? WP:CLUE. Widefox; talk 10:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Move discussion needs community input

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Isis (disambiguation)

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The joy of sets (indices)

I've never seen given name, nickname or surname lists with an SIA template; perhaps it's considered superfluous. Also, I can't remember where I saw it, but somewhere in the template documentation, there was an example of a list class Wikiproject Anthroponymy, and it was shown with importance=NA. That's what I've been using for given names and surnames. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:53, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, they all need the right one per WP:SIA. That way, it helps keep dab editors off! Agree, the correct ones are {{SIA}} for nicknames, {{Given name}} for given names, {{Surname}} surnames. I've fixed the three nicknames I changed to use NA. Nicknames could probably have their own new template. The joy of templating sets. ps. weirdly, Category:Given_names is a sub of .... Category:Given names ! Widefox; talk 01:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Islamic state (disambiguation)

(moved to Talk:Islamic state (disambiguation) and replied there, so that others can comment.) Widefox; talk 18:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Clarification edit

I took the liberty of updating one of your comments on 48-bit to clarify (I believe) the section you were referring to. If you disagree, please revert the edit. Thanks for your edits. SBaker43 (talk) 21:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Fine. Widefox; talk 22:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

AfDs need more input

Hi.

There are a couple of AfDs the desperately need additional high-quality input, either because they are relisted twice so far or have extremely low inputs so far. I thought it was high time I publicized them. Here they are:

Your input would be appreciated.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 08:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Isil

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I do not have multiple accounts and I do not know who uses that account.Mkblue1 (talk)

I do not have multiple accounts and I do not know who uses that account.Mkblue1 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation page

I cannot create a disambiguation page in the format you suggest, it is not acceptable to WP:AFC (I've tried it before, it's been rejected as not following the template for a disambiguation page that AFC uses). I cannot change the format prior to acceptance. Changes to the format must be made after the disambiguation page is accepted, so your warning about having the primary topic outlined in an introductory line is not possible to do until after the disambiguation page has passed AFC. You gave me a warning about the missing primary topic line before I even came back to Wikipedia, as the acceptance of the disambiguation page happened while I was offline. There's nothing I can do about that. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 02:33, 14 October 2014 (UTC)


It is impossible for me to add a hatnote to an AFC draft submission, that's imporper linkage per WP:AFC rules, not to link to draft pages from mainspace. How am I ever supposed to add a hatnote to articles to link to disambiguation pages, when they haven't been accepted yet? They get accepted while I'm not online at Wikipedia. So why am I getting warnigns of this sort? How am I supposed to add a hatnote to the article to indicate the disambiguation page if I don't even know when such a disambiguation page will ever be accepted through the AFC process? It could take weeks. Am I supposed to remain online 24 hours a day 7 days a week checking every minute to add a hatnote when the disambiguaiton page is accepted, to avoid having a warning about not adding a hatnote or something? -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 02:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for explaining, and sorry you have been frustrated by AfC and my messages. You can see the response(s) I've got when I took it up with the AfC reviewers. I will ask them again about improving AfC for dabs, but the linking issue can only be solved by the obvious...create an account?! Widefox; talk 09:34, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
AFC exists, and it should function, so if it doesn't function then it needs to be fixed. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 02:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
The issue is more of AFC being blunt, especially not well suited to disambiguation work, as it often involves herding articles / redirects / hatnotes / primary topics and moves. Only admins can do it properly, as only they have full permissions for all the tasks needed. At least with an account most of it is possible, and one can ask for the rest. Relying so much on others to get your edits done just seems counterproductive - they're not bad edits, so I encourange you to create an account and make life easier for yourself and others. Widefox; talk 23:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Femme

Please create a disambiguation page for "Femme", since you've said I should avoid doing so.

-- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 03:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, apart from creating an account which would help, how come the FEMME link is already dead? Did you duplicate the article as it's now deleted? As it looks like another case of merging into an existing dab La Femme, those items may be best placed together. In the meantime, you can add them to the see also of that dab, no rush to create all these dabs as they're possibly duplication. Widefox; talk 09:40, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
It was deleted between the time I posted this message and you reading it:
09:31, 14 October 2014 Alexf (talk | contribs) deleted page FEMME (A10: Recently created article that duplicates an existing topic, Laura Bettinson)
but a target still exists, Laura Bettinson, which lists her stagename "FEMME" -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 02:52, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I'll add an edit request to the disambiguation page talk page, per your suggestion I don't modify dab pages. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 02:55, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Why you don't just create an account? Widefox; talk 06:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
It's not mandatory. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 15:30, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Correct. You going to say why not though? Widefox; talk 17:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
That is the reason. If I don't have to register, I'm not going to bother with it. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 00:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Effort? You're kidding right?! As you can see, there's more restrictions on, and higher scrutiny of IP editors (rightly or wrongly). Widefox; talk 08:30, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Ebola (disambiguation). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Your comments go at the end of the page, thanks. Please provide diffs of the alleged edit war, else this may be considered empty retaliation for the edit war notice I've just placed on your page [1]. Widefox; talk 21:12, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Among the other things you've been wrong about today, you need to know that Wikipedia's definition of "edit war" is not identical to "editors who do not instantly abide whenever Widefox wants to own an article". Furthermore, it is neither edit-warring nor a personal attack to correct your condescending assertions (freighting their own smuggled-in insults) on an article TP, or tell you off on my TP after you barged onto it with a dump-truck full of attitude.--Froglich (talk) 23:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
As Rich informed in the discussion on my TP, you are free to chuck this at any time.--Froglich (talk) 23:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Still no diff above huh? Widefox; talk 23:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
My editing history (no more egregious than your own) on the Ebola disambig article did not meet the criteria for an edit-war claim, therefore your posting a warning over it on my TP constituted unwarranted BS in an attempt to curry action from roving admins whom you sought to fool. And--oh my goodness gracious, what's this? Well, now; would you look them apples, all polished to a high hypocritical shine, from a user who was a noob back in April but now strutting like he owns the place. (Are we done yet? I think we are.)--Froglich (talk) 00:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
If you're not going to produce a diff as requested, then it may be best if you don't post your random rants on my page thanks. Widefox; talk 00:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Jiwa

So, can you create a disambiguation page for Jiwa ( Jiwa (disambiguation) ) ? Jiwa currently redirects to Jiva (disambiguation), but I think it should be a separate page (by usurping the redirect)

  • Prakash Jiwa, darts player
  • Farouk Jiwa, entrepreneur
  • Jiwa Financials (the article's text says it's called just "Jiwa")
  • Jiva, a concept in Jainism and Hinduism ("jiwa" is an alternate spelling of "jiva", according to the article)

also

-- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:30, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done Nevermind, Anthony Appleyard performed the usurption already. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 22:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Again, doesn't look like a useful split to me, some of those items may get deleted and we don't have a requirement to list every article. Non notable or reasonably unlikely articles, especially non-notable people and non-notable companies that will get deleted). I've responded fully on your talk, as this editing isn't useful, so why? Widefox; talk 00:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I didn't ask Anthony Appleyard to do that, he just did it on his own perogative, so I think he saw the same problem I did, that multiple pages exist on Wikipedia that are "Jiwa" or surnamed "Jiwa". I took the proposal at talk:Jiwa Financials (rename to "Jiwa") on the face of it, as an item called "Jiwa". I also took into account two people with that surname, and that the intro to "jiva" lists "jiwa" as an alternate spelling, so results in 4 entries for a potential disambiguation page, spelled as "Jiwa". -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 00:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Jiva

So, should entries be added to Jiva (disambiguation) for these then?

  • Jīva (nun) aka Jīvaka
  • Jivatva#Jiva, the equivalent article-section on the Buddhist concept as the one for the Jainist and Hindu article's concept

-- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 00:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

yes and no. Done.
I will take this up further on your page. Widefox; talk 15:38, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: User:Cristine nickol/sandbox

Hello Widefox. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Cristine nickol/sandbox, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Neither being stale nor being a duplicate of a mainspace article is grounds for speedy deletion of a draft. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

True. Have you seen Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Bert_Martinez ? >50 accounts including that one. Will be a WP:SNOW. Widefox; talk 23:58, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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Date format in Linux articles

Hello! Any chances, please, for you to have a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Software § Date format in release history sections of Linux articles and possibly comment there by providing your point of view? The whole thing is pretty much poorly discussed with only a few editors actually discussing it, while it seems to be affecting more than a few articles (and the date format seems to be extending beyond the tables into references, please see history of the Linux distribution article). Any contributions to the discussion would be highly appreciated! — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:40, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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Do not add spam warnings on my talkpage until this investigation is complete. --TheSawTooth (talk) 12:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

A baseless report has no effect on me, but does highlight your edits - be aware of WP:BOOMERANG. Widefox; talk 19:04, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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Well, I guess you should back up that warning, rather than just being a tit-for-tat. Maybe before you are blocked for edit warring on 4 articles. Widefox; talk 12:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Resume / fakearticle

Widefox Leave my page alone. Your incessant hostile edit war on my user page is not appreciated. I sleep sometimes. (unsigned by User:Lancelotlinc)
See WP:UP#OWN. Also WP:UP#NOTSUITED WP:FAKEARTICLE WP:REMOVED and sign your comments, thank you. Widefox; talk 12:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Lancelotlinc

Hello Widefox. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Lancelotlinc, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: this seems to me an acceptable user page within WP:UPYES, professional activities properly stated to declare interests. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 21:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

JohnCD, the content is OK now (current revision has copyvio & resume removed), my concern was the style WP:FAKEARTICLE - it still has categories, and the lede is styled as an article. I am happy to compromise and leave as is, as long as the visible userpage template remains, else IMHO it appears too FAKEARTICLE. Widefox; talk 21:10, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes. I have suggested he puts the opening into the first person: "I am John S. Green, an American businessman... I defined... " which would remove the last flavour of FAKEARTICLE. JohnCD (talk) 21:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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Stop hurling warnings at me. Discuss about data not editors hear yourself. I have not reverted you to keep you happy, what can I do now! ---TheSawTooth (talk) 23:27, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm yet to be convinced by your claims, and have listed your behaviour at WP:ANI. Widefox; talk 12:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Check Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Nangparbat, Meanbuggin is him. I have reported on both SPI and ANI. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 23:52, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd clocked the 2nd IP being Meanbuggin before seeing that, thanks. Widefox; talk 12:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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You may want to check WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Highstakes00. Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 00:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. It was blindingly obvious that TheSawTooth had previous account(s), and none of the protestations were convincing. Equally surprising the disruption took this long to stop. Widefox; talk 10:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Knew who's sock it is but SPI requires solid evidence that's why I had supported other measures like temporary block(after your ANI thread), T-Ban(that happened) for stopping the disruption. His recent comeback, and after 18 days, just to vote on AfD of Indian Century, eventually he violated his T-Ban, however one admin thought that it is not violation, while other suggested that it is. He was still safe, and soon he digged his own grave when he misspelled "don't" as "dn" and socked with his usual IP address on different war pages, as explained on the SPI. It was just undeniable. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Glad you knew. I only knew WP:NOTHERE. The AfD is interesting and military-industrial complex rather than just military, so up to interpretation of the broadly construed t-ban. Not that matters now sock blocked. Good work, regards Widefox; talk 11:13, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Some trolls never give up.[2] Nice spelling too, there is some benefit in having auto-confirmed account, otherwise their edits are often identified as vandalism.[3] OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 13:43, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Opus software

This is regarding the "Opus software solutions" page: It is really sad to see editors like you misusing your powers to deny the world of important information and discredit notable organizations.Please enlighten me why startups such as these :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConnectU are listed on Wiki and 20 year old notable organizations don't fit the bill. I strongly urge you to put back the article on ethical grounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.131.198 (talk • contribs)

You disrupt three pages, don't understand that I have the same powers as you, just to say WP:OTHERSTUFF. See WP:DISRUPT. Widefox; talk 09:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, (moved and replied at Talk:Root extraction). Widefox; talk 20:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Widefox,

I have just undone some of the tags you put on the Andrew Dallmeyer article as I felt you have put them there due to your conflicts with Hillysilly. I also noted that he hasn't edited since December therefore your chasing of him seems unnecessary. If you have any issues with the Andrew Dallmeyer article please bring them to me and I will try to resolve them best I can (you will see I kept the notability tag as I accept it is a borderline case).

Thanks ツStacey (talk) 21:22, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining your assumption. We have WP:AGF (read the first paragraph) to prevent your expressed concern from distracting editing. I will take the concerns about their validity to the talk page, where the edits and not editors are pertinent. I would appreciate if you can follow up your remark here with a discussion of the merits there. I will have to decline your offer to check edits with you, per WP:OWN. If you're interested understanding the sockfarm background to this, see the WP:COIN archive so you know what evidence I'm basing my opinion on. Widefox; talk 23:32, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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Re: Rahul Mewawalla - don't copy/paste in two places. Widefox; talk 09:07, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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I realise you are a much more experienced editor who probably understands Wikipedia's rules a lot better than me, and I thank you for your long service in helping on Wikipedia. I'd also like to appologise for misreading your comment on

However, the ISIL talk page is very tense. So I'd ask you please be careful with edit summaries, slight incivility on this page quickly escalates and become non-slight, even when all involved editors have good intentions. I'd therefore ask you to be careful of little things like saying "you actually serious?" in edit summaries on this page. Escalations have lead to a number of ANI incidents (including at least one user who is currently indef blocked for reasons other than sock puppetry and edit warring), and are the reason why we have the civility header on the talk page. Thanks again. Banak (talk) 20:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I have no concern about anyone being uncivil, but thanks for the concern. WP:CLUE is a good read for any editors proposing preposterous arguments, so giving the opportunity to that editor to back away from their argument is important. Widefox; talk 19:14, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Removed blocked sock spammer

(snip COI spammer who's been previously blocked for socking) - replied on their talk. Widefox; talk 10:40, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Why did you collapse this content

here. I agree that there may be a call for page protection for the ISIL page from IP address contributions but, until then, all contributions can be given hearing. Daesh and ISIS are both used in other language versions of the ISIL article and an opinion on this type of usage has relevance to the discussion. A comment was made and it was responded too. You are not an uninvolved editor in this topic. You can suggest that a collapse be made if you think it appropriate but you can't just collapse material because it does not fit in with your personal arguments. In the meanwhile please reverse your collapse. GregKaye 00:46, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Of course editors can per WP:REFACTOR "Removal of off-topic, uncivil, unclear, or otherwise distracting material" "Restructuring of discussions for clarity" (emphasis my own). The section is about alternative names, not about article titles. That comment would distract, especially at the bottom. We should all try to keep that clear to prevent any more editors misunderstanding. Of course, per WP:REFACTOR I should undo my edit given that you have objected. Being as the comment is solely about the article title, I will leave that to you to undo if you insist it is still important in a section explicitly about something else. Widefox; talk 01:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Your point was, "The official name is Islamic State. That should be listed as such in the lede as a valid alternative title". The response was, "All should redirect to Daesh. This page should not be called Islamic State. Seeing no objections I will make this correction" which fairly succinctly presented a related opinion. The topic was not discussing the fragrance of daffodils or similar. A corrective counter response was given.
I have been in article discussions in which threads that I have started have been I think deliberately derailed and, when contacting admin, I was told that there was no possibility to collapse as I was an involved editor. GregKaye 23:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Exactly my point, that comment/editor is only discussing the article title (i.e. moving it). The article title has been discussed extensively and other editors were also confused. Hopefully I've made it clear about what the section I started is about. It isn't about moving the article. WP:RM would be the correct way for that. This is not, and won't be an RM discussion as it was not started as a RM. Of course, anyone is free to start a separate RM section. I'm not sure what you're asking me for, and especially about another conversation I know nothing of. Widefox; talk 00:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for looking at my Edit and I guess removing it?

A SIL, in the Systems Engineering work, for which I have worked for 30+ years, is a Systems Integration Lab

I am sitting in one now....

I was just trying to be helpful as it was coming up to intern season and many ask me about it.

It is mostly an American DoD Term.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a548299.pdf

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I've moved this to the talk page Talk:SIL so that everyone may participate. Please reply there, regards Widefox; talk 15:18, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I will look to

…your comments, but have deleted them from my user page as being destructive. I am and will continue to review your concerns, but your primary one seems to be that I am an sometimes IP editor (which is fully allowed here, as long it is part of no deception).

Otherwise, whenever someone else edits, small mistakes creep in, and they are to be fixed, and not the subject of long personal User page discourses. Yes, I am sure when I work for many hours, that there will be things that break. Any bold edit takes such a risk. If your primary issue is with the Quark page, well, I haven't time or interest to engage. I tried to help, if you know better, all the better for my time and efforts.

FInally, articles are not yours, or anyone else's, and they are intended to evolve—and not via preapproval from you or any other. My edits are done very carefully—though I am no programmer, and have no deep interest in WP markup expertise; rather, I am a content matter expert. In particular, the edits at the restaurant page were done in preparation of putting in an article about the founders of that restaurant, an article that has had many hours of research. Please be cordial in your evaluations, and ask before judging. Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:29, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I have reviewed the matters at hand, and have no clue what you were on about at my Talk page. If I recall correctly, I requested that the La Grenouille disambiguation be created, and the history there is short, and I have done nothing there. Moreover, no issues have been taken with my IP editing at the article on the restaurant. Have you a bias against IP editors? Against logged editors that sometimes edit from an IP, without any evidence of sockpuppeting? What really is the issue, and your motive for tracking me down, and adding tens of lines of admonishing, warning text at my User Talk page? respondez, s'il vows plait, here. Thank you. Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I am sorry, but it appears you are very much concerned about the propriety about formats and rules and things, at disambiguation pages. Well, so be it. Enjoy. mdr. If you cannot see that what I did initially at the Quark disambiguation page was an improvement, on the whole, relative to what appeared before, even if it required a bit of your work to perfect it, then I am sorry, we simply have to disagree. To call it destructive editing, alone or as a part of a pattern, is off-putting, disrespectful, and a seeming knee-jerk (prejudiced) response, I assume because it came from an IP editor. What does your Mr Wales say about such?
Otherwise, I will leave the disambiguation pages to you and others. But a quark, still is… "Gell-Mann's name for a set of elementary particles in physics, adopted from a nonce word of James Joyce and subsequently appropriated for technical, commercial, and entertainment names/derivations," and this is a deeply informative, and authoritative disambiguating statement (even if you do not care for it). If disambiguations must be limited to the few relatively superficial words that you chose—if this redaction is the uniform and policed WP policy throughout, with no latitude for depth or originality—all the more I leave them to you to police. Cheers. Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
By the way, my primary faculty appointments have been in Chemistry and Molecular Pharmacology, with emphasis on early preclinical drug discovery, and I have published with Directors at the EMBL, and on the business side, am a discussant with thought-leaders in Agile, where the emphasis has been on application of Agile and radical management to pharma. This is not stated to intimidate, simply to let you know you are not dealing with a child, or even a fellow trainee. (Please redact this after you have read, for I have, earlier, been outed, and stalked, and prefer to limit continuing availability of frank information.) Cheers. Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Read some of the above, TLDR. Replied on your page. You should be made aware that you and I have no way of removing your comment, it will permanently be available in the history. Widefox; talk 19:48, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

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Well, it would be pushing it a bit to say I enjoy filling out the references, although the end result of removing the linkrot tag is, at least, productive. You are more than free to join me in my endeavours, as there seems to be a dire shortage of editors who undertake such a task. It is hardly glamorous work, but someone's got to do it ! To be fair, I do undertake other duties here, such as creating new articles (371 and counting), as well as vandalism quashing, and adding references to copious numbers of mainly music related articles etc.
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Great to hear from you Derek! Fascinating to hear from you about it. To be frank, it's unlikely that I'll join you as I tend to work mainly on dabs (more help there needed too), but if I get a chance I'll try finding the tool and at least try doing one instead of tagging. The tagging may continue as I come across many articles while checking dabs, and try to stay focussed on them. Widefox; talk 16:08, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Shookallen88 has been blocked since August 2013, almost 2 years because of an edit war, and he wants to make a request to be unblocked but his user talk page was blocked for misuse of talk page. He sock pocketed Tommyjourney user which has been block for 16 months. The user told him wait six months for the standard offer, which he did, but he got blocked for another 5 because he misunderstood the user that blocked him. Can you help that user? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.77.223.37 (talk) 18:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, so don't think I can help. I believe the blocking admin is the one to contact, and after that any admin. For my curiousity, you're that him right? Best wishes, Widefox; talk 16:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Being as I've discussed it on the talk page, and awaiting any response or justification on your side on the talk, this is more disruption. Widefox; talk 21:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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I removed what appeared to me to be a duplicate listing for this. In no way was it an attempt at WP:CENSORSHIP, I just think you added it twice by mistake. I triple checked to make sure it was exactly the same, and it appeared so to me (and to the Wikimedia software), but if I somehow missed some subtle accent or that the "U" was in a strange font that looks like a Latin Capital Letter U, or something like that, and falls through the collation sequence in that way, then feel free to add it back, please: I just thought it easier to delete it rather than procedurally close it or have two parallel conversations running at WP:RFD#SHUT THE FUCK UP. By the way, I've added WP:RFD#STFU, referring to yours, as they are not exactly siamese twins (linguistics) but enchained. Hope that's all OK with you but feel free to revert if it's not, just seemed the easiest way to do it before others put in their comments and we had them split over two discussions. Si Trew (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Took me a minute to parse your message! :) Yup I noticed that too, Twinkle encountered an error on the first, and the second succeeded. You did the right thing. Widefox; talk 16:15, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I pack the maximum number of words into the minimum amount of thought. Si Trew (talk) 07:32, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi. Regarding this edit, can you please start a discussion at Talk:Ethnic plastic surgery, outlining the specific issues you see with the article? As the person who created this article several months ago, I find the orange top note pretty ugly and off-putting. Consequently, I'd like to see any issues in the article resolved. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:03, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

I found it ugly too. Moved ugly to talk. Considering the scrutiny transracial is getting, this related article may get more attention. Widefox; talk 09:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hiya, apologies if my earlier edits messed up the delicate balance of Transracial - I understand that it becoming a high traffic page is probably a huge annoyance to someone

Apologies also for my edit summary snipe about WP:OWN - I've wasted a fair portion of the day on a user who communicates only in screaming rants so the prospect of someone who only communicates in passive aggressive templating seemed a bit much, but I realize that's probably just our mutual frustrations with the situation butting up against each other. Artw (talk) 02:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the message breakthough! The point is the dab is no place for extending any content/AfD discussion - they just follow the articles, and until the NEO article is deleted it should aid readers/writers in participating in the AfD (at least). The other article survived its AfD, but had already been removed from the dab. It's folly. (In fact, my primary communication was per edit summary to guide you to the discussion already started on the talk, which also details how nobody is really looking at it anyway). Widefox; talk 02:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Will check Talk before acting on that page in future, cheers. Artw (talk) 02:46, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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So, you [re-]added the link to Autoruns to Sysinternals, saying "(a self-redir but with possibilities)", but nobody seems to have actually turned that [back] into an article. Any ideas about how to fix that? —SamB (talk) 18:53, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I've marked the redirect "with possibilities" and removed the WP:SELFLINK. Thanks Widefox; talk 01:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Given your position on disambiguation of Right, I'm curious to know what you make of Mickey Mouse (disambiguation). The only topics there which are clearly distinct from the Disney character are Mickey Mouse degrees and Mickey Mousing. Shouldn't the others, e.g. Mickey Mouse and Friends, Mickey Mouse Works and Mickey Mouse universe, all be stripped out of that as just specific types of Mickey Mouse? Wbm1058 (talk) 21:00, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Or Felix the Cat (disambiguation)? Strip out everything but the retired NHL goaltender? Wbm1058 (talk) 21:26, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I see no consensus on the talk for changing the primary topic of Right, let alone creating an SIA and putting at the primary topic, or support in WP:MOSDAB rather than it being a position. That's an WP:OTHERSTUFF type argument - the existence of other stuff that needs work (or deleting) isn't very persuasive. There is a difference between the examples of the primary topics in Mickey Mouse (disambiguation) which is that the titles are ambiguous with the primary topic, rather than examples that are WP:PTM in Right. Widefox; talk 00:36, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I didn't come here to badger you about "Right". We just don't have a consensus there yet, and I may continue looking for satisfactory solutions someday, but probably not soon. But I don't understand your answer about "Mickey Mouse" at all. Just treat this as unrelated now, I don't care to tie the discussion back to "right". In other words, please throw out the "other stuff" arguments; I rarely care for them. Explain again to me why "Mickey Mouse" isn't simply a WP:PTM with Mickey Mouse universe: "Do not add a link that merely contains part of the page title, or a link that includes the page title in a longer proper name, where there is no significant risk of confusion or reference." Do you think there is significant risk of confusion between the character Mickey Mouse and the fictional shared universe Mickey Mouse universe, which clearly includes the page title "Mickey Mouse" as part of the longer name "Mickey Mouse universe". I think this type of disambiguation page is common in the area of media franchises. Perhaps that area is a valid exception of the general rule, which you don't feel should be carried into topic areas such as "rights". So you might agree that it's a valid exception, but please don't deny that's violating the letter of WP:PTM. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
There may be a good reason to split the singular and plural right rights but I currently haven't understood what it is yet at Talk:Right (disambiguation). That's the right place, erm "correct" place to involve others.
The same goes for Mickey Mouse and others - the dab talks allow a much wider audience than my talk. (but to indulge a bit here, Mickey Mouse is the character, and the others are different eponymous topics like comic series, the arrangement for navigation may indeed need looking at, and best be handled by the scope of the PT Mickey Mouse, but that's some checking I haven't done) For the wider implications/consistency, there's the dab project and MOS pages. Yes you're right that there's a grey area of guidance for disambiguating titles that are related and not PTM (especially in a series/set) - see WP:RELATED. Widefox; talk 08:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I generally do stick to the article talk pages for these discussions, but I was just interested in your opinion. Wbm1058 (talk) 12:07, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Widefox, so it appears one of your concerns is that it's not a valid SIA, then if I remove Transbay Tower, which is the only one not in same category as the others that fit under category "Transbay transportation or development", would it save the page? I will make other improvements later. However the concern about PTM, does that mean DAB's cannot list anything other than exact same or very similar-named articles? For example, China (disambiguation) shows many articles that are not named "China" only. Mistakefinder (talk) 17:06, 16 July 2015 (UTC) Since you moved the page back to Transbay, you prefer that it remain a DAB page right? It looks like that would be the best to me too. Mistakefinder (talk) 17:14, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I also removed the notability and unreferenced templates as I believe DAB pages do not need to meet notablity or references guidelines (much), correct?Mistakefinder (talk) 17:48, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Another example DAB page: Crave, where many entries are not just the same or similar names and seem to be PTMs (under other uses). Are they also not supposed to be allowed? Mistakefinder (talk) 21:47, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I replied on your talk. Widefox; talk 08:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the comment. I've been busy and haven't gotten to read the MOS in detail but did revise to try bringing it into standards. I'll either get to it in a few days or you may help directly. If you feel it's better just to delete the page, please let me know the reasons, and we can delete after agreement. Thanks. Mistakefinder (talk) 22:05, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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