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Granting of autocephaly.

Since you have breached WP:3RR, I suggest that you set out your case in the talk page. I opened a new topic at 2RR.Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Today is Christ’s birthday (according to the Julian calendar)! May God bless you and your family on this joyous day!--Nicoljaus (talk) 12:08, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Nicoljaus:Thank you for your kind words! Merry Christmas to you too! I hope you will have a good year and that fortune will be clement with you. Veverve (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Well, I can only repeat last year’s wishes!--Nicoljaus (talk) 01:29, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Nicoljaus: Well, like last year, thanks a lot! Veverve (talk) 09:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your creation of and hard work on Reactions of the Orthodox churches to the 2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism. Cheers! Calthinus (talk) 16:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

@Calthinus: (I now see in December that I completly forgot to ping you back in January) Thanks a lot! I did not expect to get it for this article, given that it is Autocephaly of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine which made it Template:In the news recently. Thanks again! Veverve (talk) 17:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Religion in Ukraine

Hi, if you have time, can you check recent edits to the above article. I don't know much about the subject. Thanks. Denisarona (talk) 16:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

@Denisarona: Done. Feel free to ask me if you need another check. Veverve (talk) 17:37, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Many thanks for your help. Enjoy!! Denisarona (talk) 11:16, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Patriarchal Exarchate in South-East Asia

Please, don't do such reverts. Archdiocese of Russian Orthodox churches in Western Europe has never had parishes in South-East Asia. By the way his surname in Chashin (Чашин), but not Chasin (Часин). ~ Чръный человек (talk) 13:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello.

First, the background is a recap of the situation. I agree the AROCWE never had churches in SE Asia, but it still happened shortly before the PESEA was created and I thought it was a good idea to talk about it. Moreover, the background you put before to replace mine had no reference whatsoever. I agree that the current "Background" section fits the article better (especially since you put references this time).

Second, the title of primacy of the primate of the Patriarchal Exarchate in South-East Asia is "Archbishop of Singapore and South-East Asia",(https://mospat.ru/en/2018/12/28/news168464/) it is not "Metropolitan of Singapore and South-East Asia". That Sergius was elevated to a the rank of Metropolitan does not change that the title of the primate (i.e. regardless if it is Sergius) is "Archbishop of Singapore and South-East Asia" Veverve (talk) 14:58, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

The fact is that for a long time the Russian Orthodox Church did not create any structures on the territory of South-East Asia. This was done in order not to aggravate relations with the "Ecumenical" Patriarchate of Constantinople, which claims control over the entire Orthodox Diaspora. However, after the latter's invasion of Ukraine, Russian Orthodox Church broke of Eucharistic communication with Constantinople, and decided that it is free from any previous agreements with Constantinople. For this reason, 2 patriarchal exarchates were created now, but not earlier. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 15:59, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

On 26 Feburary 2019 the Internal regulation of the Patriarchal Exarchate of South-East Asia was adopted: "The supreme ecclesiastical authority in the Exarchate belongs to the Synod of the Patriarchal Exarchate in Southeast Asia (hereinafter referred to as the “Synod of the Exarchate”), headed by the Metropolitan of Singapore and Southeast Asia, the Patriarchal Exarch of South-East Asia (hereinafter “Exarch”), and consisting of diocesan bishops of the dioceses of the Exarchate. The vicar bishop of the Diocese of the Exarchate may, at the invitation of the Exarch, participate in the meeting of the Synod with the right of an advisory vote" (original, translation). ~ Чръный человек (talk) 16:10, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

You are right, I will change what has to be changed. Veverve (talk) 16:22, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Чръный человек: Done. Thanks for your great help! Veverve (talk) 17:19, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Maybe it will be useful for you: "Мы всегда с уважением относились к Константинопольскому патриархату и закрывали глаза на его претензии на попечение над всеми православными диаспорами, - сказал отец Александр. - Но теперь этот подход имеет мало общего с действительностью, уже нет никаких оснований Константинопольскому патриархату считать себя правомочным брать под свое духовное покровительство вообще всю диаспору, как в Западной Европе, так и в других частях мира. Теперь приняты новые решения о том, как будет окормляться русскоязычная паства и те люди, которые относят себя к членам Русской православной церкви. Церковная жизнь для русских общин в Западной Европе теперь будет развиваться по другому руслу." (We have always respected the Patriarchate of Constantinople and turned a blind eye to its claims to the custody of all Orthodox diasporas, " father Alexander said. "- But now this approach has little in common with reality, there is no reason for the Patriarchate of Constantinople to consider itself competent to take under its spiritual protection the entire Diaspora, both in Western Europe and in other parts of the world. Now new decisions have been made on how the Russian-speaking flock and those people who consider themselves members of the Russian Orthodox Church will be pastoraly cared. Church life for Russian communities in Western Europe will now develop in a different direction.) [1] ~ Чръный человек (talk) 10:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I have now added a small section about this in the articles of the PESEA, the DROCSP and the PEWE. Veverve (talk) 11:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Plese improve my articles

Eugene (Reshetnikov) and Elisey (Ganaba) ~ Чръный человек (talk) 12:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Done! Next, could you translate those articles: 1, 2, 3? Veverve (talk) 14:46, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

• "Bishop of Bogorodsk, the vicar of the Diocese of Chersonesus" those are not the same offices, was he appointed at both?
  Vicar of the Diocese of Chersonesus is office; Bishop of Bogorodsk is title. Vicar Bishop must have a title. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 20:00, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

See Patriarchal parishes in Italy, Diocese of Singapore (Russian Orthodox Church) and Diocese of Thailand. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 08:36, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

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Gregory (Korobeynikov)

Hello Veverve, per our last discussion, here is the lattest article I've been working on which involves the Orthodox Church in Russia, which you can find at User:Inter&anthro/Gregory (Korobeynikov). Before moving it to the main space I wanted to make sure that the information in the article is complete and up-to-date as you had told me. From what I can tell the Old Beliver Orthodox Church has a simplier organization than the Russian Orthodox Church, so the article might be easier to review and add to. Thank you Inter&anthro (talk) 18:13, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

@Inter&anthro: my corrections are done. Next time, please include a link to the original Russian article in your message. Veverve (talk) 18:53, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Grammar

Dear Veverve, sorry to bother you with this, but this appears to be a recurring problem as evidenced by my most recent edits. I wonder what your mother tongue is, though it is none of my business, strictly speaking. The actual problem is that the way you edit often defies the rules of the English language. Apart from that, we are not here to chronicle each statement by this or that official, etc. This is an encyclopedia that seeks to explain things (events) that are of enduring notability in a way that makes sense and is comprehensible to a layperson; ″Wikipedia is also not written in news style". Regards, Axxxion (talk) 15:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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Siluyan (Kilin) & Eumenius (Mikheyev)

As with last time the drafts I've been working on can be found here and here. The Russian language articles can be found at Siluyan (Kilin) and Eumenius (Mikheyev). Thank you for your work, feel free to look over the two drafts at your own pace and add what ever I missed from the Russian language counter parts. Inter&anthro (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

@Inter&anthro: I am working on it! Do not forget to put a Template:Translated page on the talk page of the article when your article is a translation. Veverve (talk) 17:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Have you finished editing the drafts? I noticed you haven't edited them much in the past few days. Inter&anthro (talk) 00:43, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

@Inter&anthro:Ah, sorry! I had kind of forgotten about those pages as I have been busy lately on Wikipedia and various sister projects. I will finish your pages during this week-end. By the way, do you use WP:CXT (cf. WP:HOWTRANS)? Veverve (talk) 01:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

No I haven't heard of it yet, but I will look into it, thanks for letting me know. Inter&anthro (talk) 02:03, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

@Inter&anthro:

Draft:Siluyan (Kilin): done. I have to congratulate you since your article is more complete and referenced that the Russian one.

Draft:Eumenius (Mikheyev): done. Veverve (talk) 21:50, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

@Inter&anthro:Do not forget to add the version= for Template:Translated page. Veverve (talk) 22:54, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

@Inter&anthro: also, try to remember to put a WP:SHORTDESC with Template:Short description whenever you create an article. Veverve (talk) 02:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

"Opinion of the Catholic Church on the Vulgate"

I still continue to think that this section should be shortened and renamed into something like "Opinion of the Catholic Church on the Vulgate"

There has been a lot of too and fro here, but so far editor Calicem has been unable to substantiate his speculations from any notable recent scholarship

So I am inclined to propose scrubbing the section on the Inerrancy of the Vulgate; and replacing it as you suggested. TomHennell (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, @TomHennell: I agree with your agreement. Veverve (talk) 12:37, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

talk page

Please discuss rather than reverting, at the discussion I opened on Talk:Eastern Orthodox Church. You're miscounting. That's why the other editor reverted herself. Elizium23 (talk) 21:04, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

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@UkrainianSavior1:The link provided links to my request for you to be banned. Veverve (talk) 00:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

@Veverve:And likewise, I have provided the same in turn. UkrainianSavior1 (talk) 00:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Mar Thoma Syrian Church

Hello Veverve. I notice you've been recently active on this page, so may know something about the disputes there. Can you understand why some editors want to label this church as protestant? This seems to be an unusual claim, if the church itself does not make this statement. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: I am active only because this page is on my watchlist and there is an ongoing dispute. I tried to make the two main parties discuss, but they seem unwilling to discuss. Sadly, I do not know much about this specific church, so I cannot give you any insight or untie the Gordian knot. Veverve (talk) 18:43, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: No, they really don't. Maybe an arbitration would fix this months long problem. Veverve (talk) 22:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Firstly, I didn't say they're fully nor Western Christian-like St. Thomas Christian denomination. As I saw, based on the page's history is strongly implying they wanted to be somewhere as Semi-Eastern Christian with Protestant elements, as a way to compromise with its Colonial invaders and its Catholic/Protestant missionaries.

For you Veverve, that problem that I really wanted to discuss with that user, in my thought, but I feel psychologically and neurologically can't do that, like what wording to replying user back for a example; if that user is mostly makes that more bad English grammar. Or even if I could did replying the user, that user will make probably going on silence like I and he trying going into the user's talk page, and still continuously undoing by previous edit. Chad The Goatman (talk) 23:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit conflict

Um, @Veverve:, I've spent considerable time copyediting the section you started working on (as you requested). I'm going to move on to something else; let me know when you're finished. Miniapolis 15:17, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

@Miniapolis: I am really sorry! I thought you had finished the section, hence why I started correcting factual errors you had introduced by copy editing. You can start the copy editing process again. I will correct once the article is completly copy edited. Sorry again! Veverve (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

@Veverve:, I copyedit in as small sections as possible precisely to avoid edit conflicts and am pretty sure I maintained text-source integrity in my edits. Since you reverted work I put a lot of time into, and I would have to start that section all over again, it looks like you need another copyeditor. I'll make a notation at WP:GOCE/REQ of where I left off. Miniapolis 16:38, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Vulgata Sixtina

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Regards,

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@Twofingered Typist: thanks a lot! I will allow myself to change a few things in the article, I really hope it does not bother you. I appreciate your work and do not want to disrespect what you accomplished. Veverve (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

@Veverve: You're welcome. Feel free to change what you wish. Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:08, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

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Moscow–Constantinople schism edit revert

Why did you revert my edit? The content as it stands is grammatically incorrect.St Judas the Lazarene (talk) 07:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

@St Judas the Lazarene:Adding a line break in the middle of a sentence does not fix it. You probably made atypo mistake. Veverve (talk) 11:11, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Oh, did I do that? Sorry, my bad. FYI, 'announce' is a verb only. The noun is 'announcement', but in this situation 'statement' would be the typical word to use in English. --St Judas the Lazarene (talk) 09:13, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@St Judas the Lazarene: yes, you did. Feel free to correct again, but this time without introducing a superfluous line break :) Veverve (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Nova Vulgata copy edit

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@FiveFaintFootprints: thanks for accepting my request and warning me! If you could, could you reduce the number of quotes in the article by paraphrasing them? Veverve (talk) 23:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

One's already done! Thanks - I'll keep working on those, then. Regards - FiveFaintFootprints (talk) 23:58, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I need you review

I have created two vast artivles in ruwiki and tranferred to enwiki by tranlsation: Joining of the Archdiocese of Russian Orthodox churches in Western Europe to the Moscow Patriarchate and Orthodox International Youth Festival "Bratya". ~ Чръный человек (talk) 13:02, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Чръный человек: Archdiocese_of_Russian_Orthodox_churches_in_Western_Europe#Disbandment_by_the_Ecumenical_Patriarchate_and_aftermath really needs to be merged with Joining of the Archdiocese of Russian Orthodox churches in Western Europe to the Moscow Patriarchate. Veverve (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your work. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 12:53, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Чръный человек:could you either try to correct first Orthodox International Youth Festival "Bratya" by yourself or request copy editing or both? By the way, if you request copy editing do not edit while the copy editor is working on the article. Veverve (talk) 17:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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Reply from JasonWikis

Hey you asked me about my Confraternity Bible...

I don't believe I own that particular volume anymore, however I do have other Confraternity bible's like it. I could take pictures of them if you'd like me to. Sorry for taking a little while to get back to you.Jason WikiP (talk) 17:19, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@JasonWikis: Thank you for replying, it is not a problem whatever time it took you. Yes, I think it would be good to take a picture of them; more precisely, if you could take a picture of a cover to illustrate the article, that would greatly improve the article.

Also, I asked you if you had taken any other picture and uploaded them to WP or Commons.

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