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Sukumar (director)

I am on a break at the moment, but after seeing a need to rejuvenate myself, i begun working on the article of director Sukumar. Your work on Mani Ratnam was very helpful to me in this regard. Currently, the raw version is in my sandbox. Please visit it once and give me few suggestions to improve it, esp. "Craft, style, and technical collaborations" section. Yours sincerely, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Don't follow the Mani Ratnam article. It wasn't great when it was promoted (to GA) almost four years ago - the quality has further deteriorated since then. A better example would be Christopher Nolan. Good luck! —Vensatry (Talk) 10:50, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Vensatry. But i am not aiming for a GA at the moment. I wanted to make Sukumar's filmography a FL and since the parent article was very small, i intended to develop it. By the time i completed this, i could see that nearly 30K+ content is on board (without archiving). But, i am afraid that whether a list with just 8 entries can be eligible enough to be a FL or not. What do you think? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Pavan, I guess you can wait until he releases more films, and that will make the article larger. Then an FLC may be discussed. Kailash29792 (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. But he has announced that he shall retire after directing a couple of films. One includes DSP's acting debut and another with Ram Charan. I shall wait, but if he indeed retires, then i may have to go ahead with the FLC. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Sometimes it may be possible to nominate a director's filmography for FL even if he has directed only a few films. Although Quentin Tarantino hasn't directed many films over the past two decades (he has announced plans to retire), his filmography has great potential for FL. I guess Sukumar filmography could be in a similar situation. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:34, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
8-10 films surely constitute a 3(b) violation. —Vensatry (Talk) 14:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
It's okay. At least, i will have the satisfaction of expanding the article of a director, few of whose works form part of my all-time favourite films. It was only a plan to rejuvenate myself. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 15:43, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to some timely help by Ssven2, i've completed expanding Sukumar's article. Needless to say, it looks very much better now. So, i'm back to rest, though not completely. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 18:08, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@Pavanjandhyala: Nice work on the article thus far - GA? —Vensatry (Talk) 09:52, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Didn't aim for anything such initially. I really wanted to make it something above 12k+ with FLC intentions. The scope began increasing and it reached this level. Now that FL is not possible, i may try to aim it for GA. That too may be late as 1: Nenokkadine and Kanche, my current GA plans, are lying at the GOCE. If one of them is done, i shall add Sukumar there to polish the prose and other MOS-related issues. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:58, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Looks good enough for a GAN. —Vensatry (Talk) 10:02, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Hmm. Let me see. If it becomes a GA, it shall be my first BLP-based one as all my GAs are films only. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:05, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Freida Pinto

Any plans on this article? It had trouble at the FAC but I have seen you improve it even after the failures. I hope someday you turn it to an FA. PS I have to admit something: I initially disliked the criticism you made on my certain edits and reviews but I can say that I have improved as a reviewer. Oh BTW the Sonam Kapoor article, on whose FAC you brought up an issue with my past edit, is now an FA. -- Frankie talk 13:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm being reminded of this quote. —Vensatry (Talk) 15:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I didn't know that my appreciation would be interpretated as something like that. Do whatever makes you happy Mr. Self-Righteous. -- Frankie talk 15:57, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Furiously, trying to locate the synonym of these words: appreciation & self-righteousness. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I came here because I don't want to have hard feelings for anyone but instead you got sarcastic. I became angry on your remarks. Anyway I don't want to get any of us blocked. To prevent that I want to end this discussion. -- Frankie talk 16:43, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Appreciation, Righteousness, Sarcasm - I seriously don't understand why these words were used here. Secondly, it's you who is trying to be sarcastic (by calling me 'Mr. Self-Righteous'). Thirdly, why the heck should I be blocked? Lastly, if you feel like verbally abusing someone (so as to get blocked) please go ahead. But this isn't the right venue! —Vensatry (Talk) 18:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The GA conspiracy

Hey V, a question, since you've been around for a while in the world of GA noms. I'm noticing a lot of brand-new accounts nominating Indian film articles and similar for GA. Got any conspiracy theories about this? Are they doing it because they're paid editors and GAs look better on their resumes? Or are they promoting articles to GA in the hope of driving more traffic to spam links that they'll later add? I'm curious. I noticed that JO Bieson, a relatively new user, nominated Bangalore Days for GA. It passed, but twice I've found him adding garbage references [1][2] to the article. After the first addition, I left a very detailed explanation on his talk page for why this wasn't cool, so doing it a second time is putting him fast-track of being looked at like a spammer. Anyhow, I'm curious if you have any thoughts on what the push for GA is lately. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:19, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I'm not an active contributor to GAs. And it's been a long time since I reviewed one. This thing (brand-new accounts opening GANs and FLCs) isn't new; it has happened in the past. I'm seriously wondering how can someone (who's been here for close to seven years) pass the article. The article is largely dominated by the 'Plot' section. The second para of the 'Release' section and 'Asianet Film Awards' are totally unsourced. It clearly doesn't meet criteria 2 (a), 2 (b) and 3 (a). As for the paid-editing thing, you might want to contact Dharmadhyaksha and SpacemanSpiff. —Vensatry (Talk) 18:47, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough. Sorry to have misidentified your skill area. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:49, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
No issues. Having deleted my user page a while ago, I seriously don't remember my last GA. :) —Vensatry (Talk) 18:52, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for List of international cricket centuries at the Green Park Stadium

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why should a non contributor can nominate a article for FAC. eventhough i didn't contribute much to the article,i had read the article MANY TIMES. I HAD CONTRIBUTED ONCE TO THE ARTICLE A.P.J.Abdul Kalam,which had been deleted by you as it is unreferenced. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:|User:Wiki tamil 100|Wiki tamil 100]] (talk • contribs) 07:58, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The FAC page says: Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the featured article candidates (FAC) process. Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it. Besides, the article needs to have a lot of work to reach the FA level. It's just a premature nomination. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:04, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Equating WP:DENY with rape shaming

Your statement here, where you equate my suggestion that you deny the trolls recognition to the hackneyed argument that if women want to avoid rape, they shouldn't dress sexy, is patently asinine. Words vs. words is not the same thing as clothes vs. rape. It's not even an apples-to-oranges comparison, it's apples-to-automobiles. Not even in the same ballpark. Equating me to a rape advocate because I had the audacity to suggest you keep a cooler head, is just nonsensical and isn't the way to earn lasting respect among your colleagues. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:01, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

How can you expect me to keep a cooler head when disruptions continue to happen? —Vensatry (Talk) 16:46, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
I understand that you have other 'crap' to deal with. Can you please do me a favour by staying off from me? The community doesn't revolve around a single editor (even with the case of vandals). Sell your ideas of self-righteousness elsewhere, nobody is willing to buy it here! —Vensatry (Talk) 17:22, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Portal

What do you think of this portal? I also found this book which covers a great amount of details for Tamil films, especially Andha Naal. You may use it if you want. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:43, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I've always wondered why Portal:Cinema of India was never created. What's the book? I'm unable to track that via the ISBN. —Vensatry (Talk) 12:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
But Portal:Bollywood exists. And sorry if the link didn't work; here's a working link. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:08, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm quite aware of it. The question is whether Bollywood represents Indian cinema. If the answer is 'yes', the Tamil cinema portal is redundant. —Vensatry (Talk) 12:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Haven't come across the book. Looks like being a good resource, especially for old Tamil films. Did you notice the cover? Sivaji & Savitri and Rajini & Jayalalithaa are placed diametrically opposite to each other. —Vensatry (Talk) 12:19, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

2016 March Indian Collaboration of the Months

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We are happy to inform you that WikiProject Indian Collaborations of the month is going to be restarted this month and we want your active support here.

  1. Please nominate an article or vote other nominations here. The process will continue till 10 March.
  2. Should we introduce prizes for the best participants? If so, what should be the criteria, and what prizes should we give? Share your views here.

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@Titodutta: Sure, but tomorrow. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks, we a re a bit late at this time. We need to ave nominations, followed by support, and then start the month's collaboration-- all to be done in this month only. --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Wishes

Happy Maha Shivaratri!
Wishing you, your family, and your dear ones a very happy Maha Shivaratri! Keep yourself very happy and joyful, away from sorrows and worries in this moment, something which Nataraja teaches! Pavanjandhyala (talk) 15:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm an agnostic-veering-on-atheist, nevertheless will always remain a true follower. Thanks :) —Vensatry (Talk) 16:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome. I respect your feelings. Still, since this is one of those rare moments where i can spread WikiLove with no regard to achievements, i've done it and i thank you for accepting this. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:43, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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Kalki Koechlin

Hey there, I nominated Kalki Koechlin for WP:FA and would appreciate if you add your comments, since you have gone through it before. Take a look if you find spare time, Thank You! NumerounovedantTalk 17:43, 13 March 2016 (UTC)Ṝ

@Numerounovedant:Thanks for the request. Unfortunately, my time over here is limited at the moment. Best of luck with your nomination. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
No problem, Thank you! NumerounovedantTalk 16:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Portal

What do you think of this portal? I also found this book which covers a great amount of details for Tamil films, especially Andha Naal. You may use it if you want. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:43, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I've always wondered why Portal:Cinema of India was never created. What's the book? I'm unable to track that via the ISBN. —Vensatry (Talk) 12:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
But Portal:Bollywood exists. And sorry if the link didn't work; here's a working link. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:08, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm quite aware of it. The question is whether Bollywood represents Indian cinema. If the answer is 'yes', the Tamil cinema portal is redundant. —Vensatry (Talk) 12:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Haven't come across the book. Looks like being a good resource, especially for old Tamil films. Did you notice the cover? Sivaji & Savitri and Rajini & Jayalalithaa are placed diametrically opposite to each other. —Vensatry (Talk) 12:19, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

The GA conspiracy

Hey V, a question, since you've been around for a while in the world of GA noms. I'm noticing a lot of brand-new accounts nominating Indian film articles and similar for GA. Got any conspiracy theories about this? Are they doing it because they're paid editors and GAs look better on their resumes? Or are they promoting articles to GA in the hope of driving more traffic to spam links that they'll later add? I'm curious. I noticed that JO Bieson, a relatively new user, nominated Bangalore Days for GA. It passed, but twice I've found him adding garbage references [3][4] to the article. After the first addition, I left a very detailed explanation on his talk page for why this wasn't cool, so doing it a second time is putting him fast-track of being looked at like a spammer. Anyhow, I'm curious if you have any thoughts on what the push for GA is lately. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:19, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I'm not an active contributor to GAs. And it's been a long time since I reviewed one. This thing (brand-new accounts opening GANs and FLCs) isn't new; it has happened in the past. I'm seriously wondering how can someone (who's been here for close to seven years) pass the article. The article is largely dominated by the 'Plot' section. The second para of the 'Release' section and 'Asianet Film Awards' are totally unsourced. It clearly doesn't meet criteria 2 (a), 2 (b) and 3 (a). As for the paid-editing thing, you might want to contact Dharmadhyaksha and SpacemanSpiff. —Vensatry (Talk) 18:47, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough. Sorry to have misidentified your skill area. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:49, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
No issues. Having deleted my user page a while ago, I seriously don't remember my last GA. :) —Vensatry (Talk) 18:52, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

2016 March Indian Collaboration of the Months

Hello,

We are happy to inform you that WikiProject Indian Collaborations of the month is going to be restarted this month and we want your active support here.

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  2. Should we introduce prizes for the best participants? If so, what should be the criteria, and what prizes should we give? Share your views here.

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@Titodutta: Sure, but tomorrow. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks, we a re a bit late at this time. We need to ave nominations, followed by support, and then start the month's collaboration-- all to be done in this month only. --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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why should a non contributor can nominate a article for FAC. eventhough i didn't contribute much to the article,i had read the article MANY TIMES. I HAD CONTRIBUTED ONCE TO THE ARTICLE A.P.J.Abdul Kalam,which had been deleted by you as it is unreferenced. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:|User:Wiki tamil 100|Wiki tamil 100]] (talk • contribs) 07:58, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The FAC page says: Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the featured article candidates (FAC) process. Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it. Besides, the article needs to have a lot of work to reach the FA level. It's just a premature nomination. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:04, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Freida Pinto

Any plans on this article? It had trouble at the FAC but I have seen you improve it even after the failures. I hope someday you turn it to an FA. PS I have to admit something: I initially disliked the criticism you made on my certain edits and reviews but I can say that I have improved as a reviewer. Oh BTW the Sonam Kapoor article, on whose FAC you brought up an issue with my past edit, is now an FA. -- Frankie talk 13:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm being reminded of this quote. —Vensatry (Talk) 15:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I didn't know that my appreciation would be interpretated as something like that. Do whatever makes you happy Mr. Self-Righteous. -- Frankie talk 15:57, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Furiously, trying to locate the synonym of these words: appreciation & self-righteousness. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I came here because I don't want to have hard feelings for anyone but instead you got sarcastic. I became angry on your remarks. Anyway I don't want to get any of us blocked. To prevent that I want to end this discussion. -- Frankie talk 16:43, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Appreciation, Righteousness, Sarcasm - I seriously don't understand why these words were used here. Secondly, it's you who is trying to be sarcastic (by calling me 'Mr. Self-Righteous'). Thirdly, why the heck should I be blocked? Lastly, if you feel like verbally abusing someone (so as to get blocked) please go ahead. But this isn't the right venue! —Vensatry (Talk) 18:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Wishes

Happy Maha Shivaratri!
Wishing you, your family, and your dear ones a very happy Maha Shivaratri! Keep yourself very happy and joyful, away from sorrows and worries in this moment, something which Nataraja teaches! Pavanjandhyala (talk) 15:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm an agnostic-veering-on-atheist, nevertheless will always remain a true follower. Thanks :) —Vensatry (Talk) 16:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome. I respect your feelings. Still, since this is one of those rare moments where i can spread WikiLove with no regard to achievements, i've done it and i thank you for accepting this. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:43, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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Re: harassment

I can semi-protect your talk if you want, and please report to WP:SPI, if you doubts. Please feel free to contact any time you need help. --Tito Dutta (talk) 15:10, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Sure, will do! —Vensatry (Talk) 15:24, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Alright, after the latest personal attack, I have semied your talk page for 3 days. Let me know, if you want to unprotect it. After automatic unprotection, I'll be watching this talk page. --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:43, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
@Tito Dutta: Thanks, but what if he vandalizes all my subpages? I've filed an SPI here. —Vensatry (Talk) 07:14, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
@Titodutta: Time to cross the bridge! —Vensatry (Talk) 09:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Thanks, can you also semi-protect the talk? —Vensatry (Talk) 10:51, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

If they come back, I'll --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:04, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: —Vensatry (Talk) 16:57, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Talk page semied for 10 days. Don't take these seriously. These are useless disruptions. Ping me if they come back. --Tito Dutta (talk) 19:34, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
@Titodutta: The troll is back. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Header semiprotected for 20 days. --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:34, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. But this sub page? He's clearly searching for possible alternates. —Vensatry (Talk) 18:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
The IP is blocked, I have watchlisted the page. --Tito Dutta (talk) 02:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
(Periodic check) are you facing any other issue at this moment? Or things are fine? --Tito Dutta (talk) 03:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
@Titodutta: Can you semi the talk page for longer duration (say 6 months)? Things are getting out of control. —Vensatry (Talk) 06:20, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

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63rd National Awards

I hope you'll be better aware before reverting further edits! Nothing serious though, happy editing! NumerounovedantTalk 10:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Sure. Unfortunately, media in the south (for some reason) didn't mention the Bollywood winners in their articles. Later when I checked other articles (published in the north), they too seemed to have followed the same pattern (barring the ones that won in the major categories). —Vensatry (Talk) 10:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes, it's a shame that the National Awards don't get the proper coverage, and circus shows like Filmfares and IIFA's are so well covered and promoted. Anyway I was glad that Kalki Koechlin won the Jury Award. Did you have a chance to see Margarita with a Straw? I think the award was well deserved! NumerounovedantTalk 11:06, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Indeed, but we can't wholly blame the press. The DFF should take steps to promote the ceremony and possibly increase the transparency in the selection process - by at least announcing the nominees. As for the revert, I initially thought some fans might have added Vikram's and Kalki's win. I haven't seen Margarita with a Straw, but saw the trailer a year ago. I even read an interview of the director. The theme was pretty interesting (in the Indian context). But her win surprises me because, I thought the makers won't submit it for the NFA. It looked like an independent film shot mostly with lesser-known actors. I wasn't really able to recognise anybody except Revathi and Kalki. —Vensatry (Talk) 13:11, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes it's funny that you mentioned that, I was reading an article on how Ritika Singh was shocked on winning because she didn't even know that she was nominated! Anyway it is how it and you're right we cannot wholely blame anyone for that! NumerounovedantTalk 17:26, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Mohanlal filmography

Hai, I have put this for FLC. Can you spare some time to take a look at it.--Inside the Valley (talk) 10:54, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the request. I'll see if I can review it over the weekend. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:06, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Bipasha Basu filmography/archive1

I have initiated the nomination with you as the co-nominator. Hope you don't mind. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:00, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Not at all. Cheers —Vensatry (Talk) 08:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
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