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Request on 16:14:18, 18 September 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by CantileverGray



CantileverGray (talk) 16:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Request on 13:13:38, 13 September 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Stoneman519


Hello! I'm reaching out for help with this draft. I think I know what's going wrong, but I just wanted to get some clarification. I'm creating this on behalf of someone, so I just want to make sure I'm coordinating with the correct info.

What I'm reading is that I need to have more than one independent news source to corroborate the authenticity of this project. I just want to make sure that this is the correct interpretation of the rejection, and that it's the only sticking point.

Thanks for your help!

Stoneman519 (talk) 13:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you for submitting your draft, by the way. When you first submitted, only one of the sources was usable as a secondary reference. Verifiability is the first point towards having an article, as it's impossible for us to approve a draft if it's not easily verifiably true. So, thank you for adding more sources!
That being said, simply having sources does not equate to a guaranteed acceptance. You ask if sources are the "only sticking point" and the answer to that is no, as the subject still needs to meet the notability guidelines and be written in a neutral point of view. It seems since then, your draft has been reviewed again a couple days ago. The draft looks significantly better and the game journalism you included looks to be quality. As mentioned by User:Qcne though, through nobody's fault as the game hasn't been released yet, there may not be enough significant coverage currently, or at least based off of what was included in the article.
That all being said, thank you for your efforts so far! A good starting point for publishing this draft is being able to include & identify at least three reliable, secondary sources which provide independent coverage. Feel free to reach out on my talk page or on the draft's talk page, and resubmit if you are able to supply these. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Swiss Stem Cell

Hi @Utopes. Im asking for your help to review my article again. It has been declined since 9 September 2023. The article is actually a first task from my boss. I already fix all the mistake. Pelase consider to review it again. Thank you. Ryuaelv1407 (talk) 02:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:DAAily platforms

Hi Utopes. Thanks for reviewing my submission. Could you tell me exactly what needs to be modified, in order for approval to be granted? Many thanks in advance. CantileverGray CantileverGray (talk) 12:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @CantileverGray:! I had already given a comment on the draftpage itself, in terms of what improvements would be initially recommended. I'm afraid there's no DIRECT modification I can suggest which can make up for a lack of the subject's apparent notability. If the subject has received significant coverage from reliable sources that are secondary and independent of the subject, at the time that the draft is reviewed, it will have a good chance of being accepted.
Helpful links for viewing that I would recommend are this article on maintaining a neutral point of view, and that article detailing the ins and outs of reliable sources. I hope this is helpful to you! Utopes (talk / cont) 18:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, Utopes. Many thanks. The third-party sources that are cited are all independent and credible. This is why I'm a bit confused as to what further can be done. I look forward to your response. Thanks for your time, CantileverGray. CantileverGray (talk) 16:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Well, a few different points to start at are the fact that References 4 & 5 do not seem to mention "daaily platforms" at all, and reference 1 is the website itself. The Organisation section does not contain any inline citations. The remaining sources appear to be press-releases that come from the platform itself.
If you're able to add references to sections without any (such as the Organisation section), and/or find further references that could replace #1, 4, and potentially 5, feel free to resubmit the draft. You can ask for further assistance at the Wikipedia teahouse. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:28, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Many thanks, @Utopes. I appreciate your effort to help me. I've replaced citations 1 and 4, double-checked that 5 isn't a press-release (it's a credible industry news outlet) and shorted the Organisation section, while adding a supporting citation. I hope this meets with your approval. Look forward to your response. Many thanks, CantileverGray. CantileverGray (talk) 11:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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Translator redirects

Generally in a case such as you bring up, if the translator's calls end up being used for translating another station (which is very likely), then the redirect will move to the station where the calls are in use. There really isn't a set policy about translator calls since outside a few HD-to-analog FM translators that do originate original content, the vast majority translate the main signal of an AM or FM station. As there are no incoming links at all for W215AQ, I would have no objection to a deletion at all since the transition has been completed in full. Nate • (chatter) 23:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@MrSchimpf: I see, thank you for the response! I think I'll go ahead and tag the redirect in question from the user talk discussion from earlier, if you'd like. Alternatively, since you're the creator of the W215AQ page by way of the move, I think you should be able to request CSD under G7 there. Although, I'm not sure if the act of page moving introduces technicalities on that end. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Request on 16:25:46, 9 September 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Faezeh Shahrabi


Hi Utopes, Thank you for your kind review.

I used other taekwondo players' Wikipedia pages as templates e.g. Nahid Kiani, Marjan Salahshouri and Sara Khoshjamal Fekri. They are almost the same as my article. As they are young champions there is not much referenceable information about them on the internet.

I'd appreciate it if you guide me on the extra information you are looking for or suggest some templates.

Thanks

Faezeh Shahrabi (talk) 16:25, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Botanical & Zoological Garden for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Botanical & Zoological Garden is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Botanical & Zoological Garden until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Plantdrew (talk) 02:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@Plantdrew: I didn't create this page; I'm probably not who you want to be communicating this to. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:38, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Resubmission

Thank you for your suggestion and comments for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kara_Jorga initial submission . I have improved coverage of this topic in media and academic research. I have also edited grammar mistakes and misspellings. Aidos.taibekuly (talk) 20:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Aidos.taibekuly:! I'll take another look at the draft and keep you updated. Cheers, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:42, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Resubmission

Hello UTOPES.

Major improvements have been made at Draft:Blandaren. Please consider taking another look at it.

Kind regards,

Fiskpinnar1337 Fiskpinnar1337 (talk) 13:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Trouted

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: Dropping a single source tag on a newly created article instead of doing a simple web search to find a second source (of which there are several). RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 09:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@RadioactiveBoulevardier not a good reason to trout someone. A relevant maintenance tag was added and the original article creator should have added more than a single source to begin with. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
You're right lol, I was being grouchy because it happened within an hour of publication.
The rationale behind publishing it as a single-source stub is that it's easier to crowdsource expansion than incubate in userspace or draftspace since it's a currently relevant topic. That's been my experience so far creating Russo-Ukrainian War articles. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 23:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
@RadioactiveBoulevardier: It was actually after 2 hours from the page's creation, which I checked after the trout was sent. I didn't comment on the trouting because the ordeal looked over-and-done, based on the conversation on your talk page. The page was created at 3:24 with [1], whereas I added the tag at 5:49 at [2]. I'm all for trouts being sent as a good-natured update if a mistake is made, but in this case 60 minutes is the NPP-suggested time to wait before tagging (which shows up red for reviewers so that sub-hour tags shouldn't happen), and in this case your final edit on the page was 3:28, with no indication that you were going to add a second sentence (much less a second source). While there may have been easily accessible sources out there on the Internet, the one sentence present didn't assert the subject was notable to begin with (as it just claimed the artillery existed, and I'm no artillery guru). From my point of view, draftification was absolutely the right avenue for that page, but because it was still made that same day, I felt a tag was more than plenty in case you did come back to the article later. Just my two cents; I wanted to add this bit as the trout may have been a misunderstanding in regards to the within-an-hour tag, as it definitely wasn't that. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Mathematical Growth

Thank you for reviewing my submission. I have tried to address all of our concerns. Again, I am aiming this article at non-mathematicians, to help connect everyday observations of growth with the proper terminology, so I chose (and do not have the expertise) not to include more technical information about the topic. I hope the numerous links to other Wikipedia articles will satisfy all of those needs. I am trying to provide an overview and guideposts for readers to find the appropriate detailed information, if desired.

I included two references for the last section, Determining type of growth, which I failed to do earlier. I also added two sentences, one to this section and one to the first paragraph, on the suggestion of D.Lazard. I paraphrased the applicable statements from each article, and of course linked my sentences to those articles. Is that enough for reference? I do not have access to original sources for those topics. I also removed the inappropriate section on Recursive growth, thanks to D.Lazard.

I plan to do research for further references beyond my personal library at the University of Wisconsin. I also need to improve some of the images I used.

Please let me know if these changes have helped the article. Thank you. Pbergerd (talk) 16:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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Nickel azide

Could you please double-check that new article? The formula (CuN3) and nickel ionic nature (dinickel monocation) are not correct. DMacks (talk) 18:26, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMacks: Thanks for letting me know! That was definitely an error; I had borrowed a page skeleton when I was putting the page together (mainly for tuning the chembox template), but did not catch that that part. I have gone back and updated the lead based on the associated zhwiki page, so please take a look to see if I addressed everything! (As a heads-up, I had planned on creating a few more of these for azides with quality coverage, namely for Cr, Mn, Co, and Hg as the ones that are left. These should crop up over the next couple days if everything goes right.) Utopes (talk / cont) 20:46, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Ni(N3)2 looks good now. Thanks for all your work on these. I've worked with a few of the more-stable or gas-phase/matrix-isolated among the M(N3)x but not in many years. DMacks (talk) 21:43, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

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The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia   
This award is given to Utopes for collecting more than 500 points during the October 2023 NPP backlog drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to the drive! Hey man im josh (talk) 01:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

October 2023 NPP backlog drive – Most redirects award

Redirect Ninja Award
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Review new article David Le Vita

Hello Utopes May I ask whether you could give me some more specific resons for the refusal? Thanks in advance and all best Schedukiam Schedukiam (talk) 14:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Siege Of Inegol

Hello, you declined my article based on the fact that the sources didn't change despite the previous reviewer's comments. However as stated by the reviewer there was no problem with the source itself, it was just the way I added them in the article, which I fixed. I see no reason as to why there would be a problem now Salman Cooper Mapping (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you help me

I need help to complete my article Ultra8T (talk) 14:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you so much! Now my 10,000th edit actually has some significance and isn't some random gnomish vandalism warning xD Utopes (talk / cont) 08:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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I'm not going to revert your revert, but I do think keeping the discussion open longer will be a needless waste of editor time that could be better spent elsewhere. Cremastra (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

While you're probably right that the discussion will result in a keep verdict, the decision to close it before the discussion even turned 12 hours old was premature. It was a nom created in good faith, but who was not given the time of day to withdraw if they wanted, or respond to any of the keep voters if they so choose. RfD is not a head count, and 40% of the keeps were "weak keeps" at that. At the end of the day, how editors spend their time is up them, but if the nominator has any words they'd like to add there, that is permitted. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
@Cremastra: If you want to close that discussion, I see the one above has also been closed as a snow-keep so the one in question could probably end up in the same boat. I will say, I was quite surprised to see what seemed to be a new person relisting and closing discussions on their first day at RfD, hence my apprehension around that discussion closing early despite the 5 keep votes. It'll probably have a snowball's chance of getting deleted, so it was likely correct in spirit. I trust your judgement, so if you think its closure-as-keep is the right call, that works for me too. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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