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I was going to edit incorrect information about Wichita Falls, Texas regarding the tornado of April 10, 1979. I have an appropriate source for the information, but when I went to add it to the references section I found simply "Reflist|2" in two sets of }'s and {'s.
How, then do I add new references? I have looked at the help section, but am still stumped.
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You put references directly after the fact - in the body-text itself - in-between <ref> and </ref>. For example;
Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>
...and they automatically appear in the references section (produced by that {{reflist}} thingy), with a linked numbered footnote.
How references work
Simple references
These require two parts;
a)
Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>
He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>
b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";
== References ==
{{reflist}}
(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)
Chzz was born in 1837, <ref name="MyBook">
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009.
</ref> in Footown.<ref name="MyBook"/>
Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.
Citation templates
You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;
Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
| last = Smith
| first = John
| title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
| publication-date = 2001
| publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
| page = 125
| isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
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I have found that a few articles about tornado outbreaks of recent years mistakenly link to the Wikipedia article on the original Fujita Scale in reference to the highest rated tornadoes instead of the Enhanced Fujita Scale. Does correcting this count as a minor edit? TornadoLGS (talk) 23:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
No; if fixing those links, I wouldn't mark it as 'minor' - and make sure you explain what you do in the edit summary. I'd only mark something as a 'minor edit' if I was, e.g., fixing a comma or possibly fixing a coding issue. If in doubt, don't mark it minor. See Help:Minor edit. Chzz ► 15:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
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Anyway, I posted on the April 25-28 talk page several other reliable sources that refer to it as this. But if the NWS calls it that, I'd say it is justified for mention. Let me know what you think.
You can go ahead and blend my sandbox into yours. I just copied from the outbreak page instead of doing it manually. And, I think a better title might be 2011 Hackleburg, Alabama - Huntland, Tennessee tornado because it gives a better indication of where it occurred. But either one is fine. United States Man (talk) 04:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm planning on using the radar image from this NWS report to put in an article I am working on improving. However, I'm not sure what template to apply as the two similar images here and here use different formats, so I am confused as to what format to use when I add the image. Does it count as coming from the Federal Government if it is a local office of the National Weather Service? TornadoLGS (talk) 15:11, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
A specific tag for the NOAA exists: "PD-USGov-DOC-NOAA". As the NWS is a sub-agency of NOAA, i would suggest to use it here aswell (their website makes it quite clear, they are a NOAA sub-division). USGov works too, but is rather vague - a lot of specific sub-organizations have their own PD-tag. For a complete (maybe) list of US government-related tags see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-USGov-DOC-NOAA. Hope that helps. GermanJoe (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the head's-up. I used UTC because it seemed to be the standard format for timestamps in other articles on tornado outbreaks. To be consistent, I used UTC to demarcate the dates as well. I am not sure whether there is a set standard as to whether to use local time or UTC to split apart dates. However, if there is none, then I would imagine that UTC would do just as well as local time, so long as consistency were maintained. But feel free to let me know whether I am wrong. Again, thanks! :) CapeVerdeWave (talk) 02:27, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Don't bother trying to get the Joplin tornado in the 2011 article. I tried to get Hurricane Irene in, but the RY nazis wouldn't have it. Hot Stop(Talk)07:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Re:St. Louis tornado
It looks good except for two things: 1) I don't think that nickname belongs in the lede because it isn't sourced and I am not not a fan of nicknames anyway. 2) I would get rid of the subsection header in the Meteorological synopsis section and just make it a single section. I see no reason for that subsection to be there.
It is the European Severe Weather Database. It is a bit more complex than NCDC but not too hard to figure out. Cyclonebiskit has finished everything through late June. I will try to help some with this as well. United States Man (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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I have been busy recently, so I did not have time to respond to your query; besides, even though I have been around for some time, I am not sure whether all editors consistently follow the severe-weather format for tornado-related articles. I suggest reading this for a good guideline. In many of my articles, I have tried increasingly to follow the format of the article on the April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak, as it has been rated a good article and seems to be a standard-bearer for long articles (and a good tutorial for smaller ones, too). At any rate, you have made a good start on the article and the details look fine—I would suggest making the Sparta – Edgefield tornado header smaller, and instead placing a larger headline entitled "notable tornadoes" just above it. Then you can place all details for the most significant and/or deadly tornadoes under individual subsets. I would also add the state after the locations, and add a slash to make the whole thing read: Sparta, Georgia/Edgefield, South Carolina. As all these subsets would be under the main section for notable tornadoes, the word "tornado" would be unnecessary in the subsets. Again, these tips are just starters; feel free to use the sources that I suggested. Best of luck! CapeVerdeWave (talk) 21:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I have a few suggestions: 1) Change "List of tornadoes" to "Confirmed tornadoes." 2) Get rid of the notable tornadoes heading and leave the smaller heading for the "Sparta, Georgia/Edgefield, South Carolina" tornado to slide under the table. 3) No sense in having the Coordinates column in the table if there are no Coords. So it would be good to get rid of that too. United States Man (talk) 16:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
About the May 24 tornadoes
The source was an email to severe wx editor here, so that may or may not work. You can view it on the talk page. The reason being behind why I feel strongly this is that I know that several meteorologist and severe WX experts have disagreed with the rating. There is no official documentation but it is common consensus among experts and enthusiasts that I have seen among forums. I can vouch and say I have done quite a bit of research over these two tornadoes, and after sifting through tons of pics and discussion with experts, I KNOW that these were. I am quite knowledgeable down to detail about how the EF scale is used, and I know that it was misused in this case and I want some kind of permanent online documentation of the controversy surrounding the ratings. I know it is hard to take my word for it, but you will be hard pressed to find anyone who edits here that is quite as knowledgeable about the EF scale than myself. And lets be logical here, the NCDC write-up is absurd, with 1 mile per hour away from an EF5 listed. Large and well built homes were swept cleanly away, vehicles were hurled and smashed to pieces, ground was deeply scoured along with pavement. This is as clear of an indication as you will get for an EF5. We need to figure out something at least for documentation purposes.
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Hattiesburg tornado article
Hello, I just created the 2013 Hattiesburg, Mississippi tornado article and the infobox needs a picture. Since I have absolutely no clue how to upload any pictures so I was hoping that you may be able to put one up for me. The one I had in mind is located here (It is the first picture under the heading "Radar Imagery"). But, if you could dig up a good damage photo or a picture of the tornado that would be good as well (Maybe one for the infobox and two in the "Meteorological synopsis" section.) Also, if you have any suggestions on how to improve the article I would appreciate those as well. Thanks, United States Man (talk) 04:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Would you mind adding some pictures to the sections entitled "Smithville, Mississippi", "Cordova/Blountsville, Alabama", and "Raleigh, Mississippi/Uniontown, Alabama". As I have told you before, I am not good with that. I don't care which ones you pick, but one per section should do. Thanks, United States Man (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
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thanks for telling me that about the (INFLATION ADJUSTED COST) but....
theres still one weird problem and its about Wichita Falls TX actual cost... why is it lower then what it says in wiki? they never said that the (ACTUAL) is a error tought... also can you fix the Hackleburg AL adjusted cost its not right, that's all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.207.158 (talk) 18:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
ok now for the last thing is that Oklahoma City Metro tornado count is 1400 but needs to be 1401 , Tuscaloosa tornado is 2542 but needs to be 2543 and the Joplin tornado that's 2906 needs to be 2907 then evrething will be fix perfectly, not sure why it makes it go down by one number for... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.207.158 (talk) 19:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
em... the last update you did for the top 10 costliest tornado says (update inflation-adjusted death toll) when its costliest and not deadliest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.207.158 (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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On the Joplin tornado in the list of F5/EF5 tornadoes
I noticed that the Joplin tornado is listed as an "undisputed" EF5 when in fact its rating was quite controversial, with the 2013 survey in particular applying a maximum rating of EF4. Would this not put it under the category of "Official F5/EF5, but rating is disputed; event may not have been F5/EF5"?
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the jarrell tornado in its multi vortex stage[1] or alot of people call it the dead man walking?
in one of the books i have its used as a example for a multi vortex tornado.Joshoctober16 (talk) 09:30, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Non-tornadic fatalities - consistency?
Hey there - I noticed your recent change to List of North American tornadoes and tornado outbreaks, where you said the list "didn't include non-tornadic fatalities." When I first added that entry to the table, I wasn't sure whether to include the fatalities or not. I can't say I disagree with your edit - but I have to say that I wonder about the consistency? In Tornado outbreak of April 17-19, 2019, the infobox shows "Fatalities: 4 non-tornadic." With that article being titled "tornado outbreak," would it be equally inappropriate to list non-tornadic fatalities in that infobox? What are your thoughts? Sleddog116 (talk) 18:06, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
At this stage there are none, this article should not be created until there is a tornado in May, please don't remove until there is actually a tornado listed on this page, with a source.
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Possible creation of "Tornado outbreak of May 30-June 1, 1999"
On the article Tornadoes of 1999, there's a small subheader labeled "May 30-June 1" however with no details other than a small tornado table. From what I was able to gather, this outbreak produced a total of 59 tornadoes and resulted in three tornadic fatalities. What's even more notable about this particular outbreak, however, is the FAA citing the severe weather as a contributing factor for the crash of American Airlines Flight 1420, which killed an additional eleven people.
Even when taking Flight 1420 out of the equation, I still feel this event meets the notability criteria for articles on WikiProject Severe Weather. It was an outbreak that produced 25 or more tornadoes and resulted in three tornadic deaths. I'm obviously not an expert however, and I know you've been around here for much longer than I have so I'd like to hear your input. Would it be worth it to create this article? Thanks, TheRMSTitanic (talk) 02:31, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
TheRMSTitanic One thing I'd think is worth checking is if everything was from the same system. Just looking at the maps of the Tornado History project, I'm not sure if it was all one system, particularly with the tornadoes on May 30. Otherwise, I have no objections as long as there is enough information. I don't have much time to work on it myself right now. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
From what I was able to find, all 31 tornadoes spawned on June 1 were part of the same storm system. As for May 30 and 31, I can't be 100% sure. The two F0 tornadoes in Florida on May 30 were simply waterspouts that tracked inland briefly, and were unrelated to the outbreak. A waterspout that tracked inland in Alabama on May 31 was also unrelated. Two F0 tornadoes in southern Louisiana and Mississippi may have been unrelated as well, but like I said, have no way to confirm this. An F2 tornado in Michigan I believe was also isolated. This would bring the total number of tornadoes down to 59 (which I have no idea where that number came from in the first place, a source would be nice.) Since all of the fatalities and most of the strong tornadoes occurred on June 1 anyway, would it make more sense to just make the page about the events on June 1? TheRMSTitanic (talk) 17:55, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
I've begun work on the article in my userspace. You can find it under User:TheRMSTitanic/Tornado outbreak of June 1, 1999. I understand you don't have much time to work on it yourself right now but you're free to come help whenever you have the opportunity (especially on the tornado table as I'm far from an expert on that stuff.) If you know anyone else who can help as well, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. TheRMSTitanic (talk) 03:39, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
TheRMSTitanic For checking to see which systems are which, there is some archived information at sites such as these:
Why do you remove that, i have source for all tornadoes and you remove it what, this is most direspectfull admin ever because you removed brooklyn park and edmond tornado of 1986 and oklahoma tornado of 1988. Then stop removing tornadoes of 1982 and 1977 additional tornadoes Alvaro ivan daniswara (talk) 22:52, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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THIS IS WHAT I DO INSTEAD OF GOOGLE'S WAY!
1. MPH to KM/H: Multiply by 1.6
2. MPH to Knots: Divide by 1.15
3. F/S to Knots: Divide by 1.68
4. KM/H to M/S: Multiply by 1.6
5. KM/H to F/S: Divide by 1.15
6. KM/H to Knots: Divide by 1.85 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RykerKing256 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
RykerKing256 Again, 1.6 is a good approximation for most purposes, with an error of about 0.58%. I use it myself if what I'm calculating doesn't need to be precise. But, if you're going for precision, 1.60934 is more accurate. When I google "mph to km/h." I get 1 mph = 1.60934km/h. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@BenHip155: This issue has come up before. I'd say the article should not exist until January 1, but if you're in the U.S. I figure you could do it on December 31 (local time) since by 7 Am EST it will be 2020 somewhere in the world. Although some people think that that yearly tornado articles should not be created until the first tornadoes of the year are reported. I've moved the article to a draft space for now, so you can move it back when the time is right. TornadoLGS (talk) 19:40, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello...is there a reason you keep removing my edits that are adding interesting subtitles in the article. Example "The Easter Outbreak" in tornadoes of 2020 page? I think it can help people differentiate between the days and might make it more interesting. SmuckersIt has to be good22:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
@Smuckers: First, I'd like to point out that I only removed the subtitle once, any other removals were by other editors. It was removed because this is an encyclopedia, not a magazine or newspaper. Sections headings in the tornado article are there to separate events and create a timeline of the tornado season. There is no need for dramatic, attention-grabbing headlines. TornadoLGS (talk) 23:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
I just thought that I'd let you know that you are really inspiring person to look up to when it comes to editing on here. Keep up the good work! ChessEric (talk) 04:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
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I know I reverted an edit on the 2020 tornado page, but the report count is actually 996 so it wasn't vandalism. The SPC just hasn't updated the site yet.ChessEric (talk) 00:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
@ChessEric: Right, but the confirmed count was being vandalized as far as I can tell. There doesn't seem to be a basis for that number. That person is on thin ice as it is.TornadoLGS (talk) 00:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
@TornadoLGS: Well, the Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).</ref></ref></ref></ref></ref></ref></ref></ref></ref></ref></ref></ref></ref> was clearly disruptive. Also, it was a level 3 warning, which I usually do for users who clearly did a disruptive edit. Also, since you didn't respond, I guess I'll leave my explanation on your talk page. ~Destroyeraa🌀16:30, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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Ianos, was a Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone, also known as a Medicane. The Mediterranean isn't officially a tropical cyclone basin, so there aren't any official intensity estimates for the storm. The system originated from a low pressure area north of Libya, and it developed organized convection while moving northeastward. On September 18, Ianos struck the Greek island of Cephalonia, and later moved across the Greek mainland. The World Meteorological Organization mentioned the medicane and its similarities to tropical cyclones. Although these medicanes are unofficial, Wikipedia covers them like other tropical cyclones, using the same reliable sources and news articles to document the event. As Ianos was created, not many users edited it, as coverage of tropical cyclones and storms outside of main development regions are, unfortunately, low. However, as Ianos was nominated and posted at ITN, a current news section on the main page, many users outside of the TC WikiProject began working on it, As these storms are becoming more common and better documented, these storms may be officially classified in the future.
Atlantic - September 2020 was the most active month on record in the Atlantic, with nine named storms forming, as well as Omar which formed on August 31 but was named a day later. Nana formed on September 1, rapidly intensifying into a minimal hurricane before making landfall in Belize. After a short lull in activity, Paulette and Rene both formed on the 7th, with the former intensifying into a strong Category 1 hurricane while making a rare landfall in Bermuda. The latter made landfall in the Cabo Verde Islands, causing minimal damage. Hurricane Sally had its origins over the Bahamas, and after stalling in the northern Gulf of Mexico it struck Alabama, dropping 36 in (910 mm) of rainfall on the Florida Panhandle; Sally left about $7 billion in damage and three deaths. On September 12, Hurricane Teddy formed, which grew into a powerful Category 4 hurricane, and later swept across Atlantic Canada. Near the Cape Verde Islands, Tropical Storm Vicky formed on September 14, and four days later, Wilfred formed in the same region. Tropical Storm Beta formed in the Gulf of Mexico on September 17 ahead of Wilfred and Alpha, and later brought heavy rainfall to Texas. A day later, Subtropical Storm Alpha formed near the coast of Portugal, marking only the second time that the Atlantic hurricane naming list was exhausted, thus requiring the usage of the Greek alphabet for names. Beta also formed, though before both Wilfred and Alpha. Beta would hit Texas and Louisiana with moderate flooding and kill one person.
Eastern Pacific - The month of September was not very active. Tropical Storm Julio formed from the mid-level circulation of Hurricane Nana in the Atlantic on September 4; however it stayed weak due to wind shear. In mid-September, tropical storms Karina and Lowell formed southwest of Mexico and were short-lived tropical storms. Toward the end of the month, Marie formed, becoming a hurricane on the last day of the month. Marie would later go on to be the current strongest storm of the EPAC season this year.
Western Pacific - The month of September was fairly active for the WPAC. Typhoon Maysak, which formed in late August, struck South Korea early in the month, followed days later by Typhoon Haishen, which became the season's first super typhoon. Haishen caused 4 fatalities and heavy damage in the Korean Peninsula. Later, Tropical Storm Noul formed on September 17, hitting Vietnam and causing 6 deaths and $30.4 million in damage. Later, Dolphin formed on the 19th, brushing Japan. Toward the end of the month, Tropical Storm Kujira formed northeast of the Marianas Islands.
SMB99thx first joined Wikipedia in 2013, but didn't officially join the WPTC until August 2020. Since then, they have been a prolific contributor, helping with less visible pages such as project talk pages, or splitting older season articles in the North Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific. They are a such a tireless contributor and kind user, who appreciates others' contributions while being humble about their own. It was SMB99thx who gave barnstars along with kind and encouraging messages to countless other WPTC contributors and Wikipedians. SMB99thx also worked on several lists, including area affects lists, various drafts, and List of named storms (T). We'll take that T and say TY to SMB99thx for all of their contributions, and wish them luck at college.
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How WikiProject Tropical cyclones should move forward by SMB99thx
As we have seen in the month of August and September, there is a surge of new articles. Most of these new articles are season/decade articles and Pacific typhoon articles, and most of these articles are assessed by me as either Start-class or Stub-class. These articles I believe would have been rejected by WikiProject Tropical cyclones in the earlier years (especially 2008-2012) - and these reflected the changes in WikiProject Tropical cyclones after I joined in July 2020.
In order to counteract that surge of Start-class and Stub-class articles in recent months, I have been closely working on the Article requests page (used to be a primary contributor of the surge that happened in August and September), trying to make this recently-extended WikiProject 15th anniversary as some serious effort as well as revamping WikiProject To-Do (and completing some, but not all tasks) - and the results of my work on these three projects led into the explosive growth of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones draftspace (I tried to prevent this by publishing the half-finished drafts into mainspace (which is primarily composed of C-class with some speck of Start-class articles coming out of it, and these are the ones that aren't as obviously unfinished like Draft:Effects of Hurricane Dorian on the Mainland United States), and made several drafts on articles that are not considered notable like Draft:Hurricane Barbara (2019) into redirects or deleted, but there is less kinds of these drafts now) as well as discovery of several drafts that isn't done by this point or are not listed as part of WikiProject Tropical cyclones. These drafts are later linked to the Article requests page. I don't my work is done yet, and in order to consider that effectively done, I need to get these drafts done and submitted as C-class or higher.
However, there is a personal problem I had to face in order to getting this work done when I'm still new to WikiProject Tropical cyclones. Article creation from drafts are not my strength. I create articles mostly from splits, not from drafts. As such, I consider article creation from drafts to be personally tedious work. As our 15th anniversary gets near, it appears that things are changing. As the draft space exploded, it appears fellow WikiProject Tropical cyclones are helping me out in getting these drafts complete, especially Destroyeraa (helping me out in deciding which drafts can pass the cut), ChessEric (working on Draft:Tropical Storm Noul (2020)), Robloxsupersuperhappyface (for developing current events articles, alongside ChessEric), I like hurricanes (Tropical cyclone lists), Chicdat (for the work on Tropical cyclones in 2002 and will probably work on others), Janm 7 (for working on Tropical cyclones in 2011 and 2003), and Iseriously (for useful season summaries, and this isn't a WPTC member!). I also began to frequently give out barnstars to these hard-working people like Jason Rees and Hurricanehink.
These events led me to believe that, if this WikiProject has to move forward then in my opinion this WikiProject should:
Take things in Article requests, WikiProject To-Do, WikiProject Tropical cyclones draftspace and WPTC 15th anniversary push (now extended into January 15th, 2021) seriously. I have seen some serious neglect from this area of the WikiProject and i believe this really held back the growth of this WikiProject. In my opinion, this WikiProject could have been easily have 2500 articles, or even 3000 articles by now if that area of WikiProject had been taken seriously. Even possibly, this WikiProject could have a lot more quality articles than it is today!
Frequently collaborate with each other. Don't bite the newcomers, but help them! They will help you.
If someone wants to take a break, e.g. Yellow Evan, let them be. Don't hurt their feelings! (i.e. moving their userspace drafts into mainspace) If you are hurting their feelings, then this could discourage future collaborations that could advance this WikiProject.
Thanks for reading this opinion piece! And happy 15th anniversary, WikiProject Tropical cyclones!
OPINION PIECE - by ChessEric
Accuracy has always been one of my biggest sticking points when it comes to editing on Wikipedia. When I came here back in April, my first edit was a revert of misinformation on the 2020 Easter tornado outbreak article. Of course, I understand that as a relatively new user, I still have a lot to learn and I don't profess to know everything, even after I started several large projects that I will probably be working on for quite some time. My first tornado outbreak pages used only the Tornado History Projects which, while generally good for tornado tracks, provides no damage info and if weren't for editors like CapeVerdeWave and Halls4521, my "breakthrough" articles would be so incomplete. However, I've been able to research more and more and find ways to complete these articles and that has carried over into the tropical cyclone projects as well. My thing has always been is that If I can't find a source for it, then it's not true. I will continue to follow that motto and hope that others will do the same.
Current assessment table
Assessments valid as of this printing. Depending on when you may be viewing this newsletter, the table may be outdated. See here for the latest, most up to date statistics. As of this issue, there are 157 featured articles and 70 featured lists. There are 135 A-class articles, and 1,002 good articles. There are only 65 B-class articles, perhaps because because most articles of that quality already passed a GA review. There are 369 C-class articles, 736 start-class articles, and 151 stub-class articles, with 31 lists, and 8 current articles. These figures mean that slightly more than half of the project is rated a GA or better. Typhoon Warren was the 1000th GA in the project.
WikiProject Tropical cyclones was founded on October 5, 2005. By that time, Wikipedia had its small share of articles, including the four deadly hurricanes that hit the United States in 2004. The hyperactive 2005 Atlantic hurricane season featured a series of deadly and historic hurricanes, the first of which was Hurricane Dennis. This is how the article looked on 10/5/05. It might not look like much, considering how much larger storm articles tend to be today. However, Dennis quickly became a featured article by February 2006. Its quality showed a marked improvement from the 2004 hurricanes. For comparison, here is what Hurricane Charley looked like on 10/5/05, with barely any references, no preparations, no aftermath, and one sentence worth of impact for a location with $1 billion in damage.
The busy 2005 season featured Hurricane Katrina, and in the aftermath of the storm, dozens of articles related to the hurricane were created. Some still exist, such as Katrina refrigerator, Memorial Medical Center and Hurricane Katrina, and Effect of Hurricane Katrina on the Louisiana Superdome. I don't know if those hyper-specific articles would be created today, and many of these old articles are still of low quality. On the other hand, one of the most notable changes since 2005 is the improvement in articles throughout Wikipedia, both new and old. Every Atlantic season from 1945 to 2019 is a good article, and all but 31 seasons since 1851 are a good article. More impressive is how much other basins around the world have improved. As of June 2006 (the oldest date for our assessment tables), the EPAC only had articles back to 1970, WPAC with yearly articles back to 1945 (with a rump article for everything beforehand - there are now decade articles going back to 1850), and the NIO only had one yearly season article (with five-yearly articles going back to 1980, and one rump article for everything beforehand), with only six storm articles. There are now yearly NIO articles going back to 1960. Also as of June 2006, all SHEM storms were put into yearly articles going back to 1995, with three five-yearly articles going back to 1980, and then one article for everything beforehand. The SHEM is now split into its three sub-basins (plus a distinct article for SATL storms), with yearly articles back to 1970. There are also now yearly articles for tropical cyclones back to 2009.
15 years might not feel like much, or for some of you it's an entire lifetime. Users should be reminded of eventualism, in work will improve over time, especially with sustained editor attention. There are now over 2,000 articles in the project, versus less than 500 15 years ago, or 1000 10 years ago, or 1500 13 years ago. The project's growth hasn't always been even, but it has trended toward inclusion, with hundreds of articles that are the best resources available anywhere on a given storm/season/topic. As Mother Nature throws us hyperactive seasons, it will be difficult, but not impossible, to keep up with the annual cycle of tropical cyclone activity, so the world can remain informed of these swirling furies.
Project Goals & Progress
The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.
@ChessEric: I've sometimes seen your edits. I might pitch in by adding information from Significant Tornadoes. As a note, though I am waiting for word from a coauthor on an off-wiki project, so my work load may increase there. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
@ChessEric: I'm no whiz at tornadoes, and it's been >5 years since I've been close to a tornado. Though tornadoes currently fit under WPSW, there should be a task force (such as those on WPTC). I haven't been active in the project since May, so it might sound I'm living under a rock (sorry). I can help with the impacts, but the Fujita/Enhance Fujita ratings will be left with other users to do. ~Destroyeraa🌀02:43, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Really? Thats weird to me considering I saw the live reconnaissance aircraft data and it showed Cat 5 winds so unless something was malfunctioning it seemed accurate. And the portion of the track they downgraded looked the best on visible and infrared satellite so I'm generally confused. Ig we'll see in the future what the NHC does with intensity and track when they revisit this season next spring. Thanks! Kade Ydstie45 (talk) 05:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting that crazy <expletive> vandal on my talk page! Good work on reverting vandalism. Thanks again. ~Destroyeraa🌀22:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: An administrator actually recommended that I might put in a request for an edit filter. I'm looking into that now, since I've seen "God said" vandalism and similar things on other articles. Ugh. This incident was the second time my talk page has been vandalized in 24 hours. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:10, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I already requested an edit filter on it. I was my first time doing so...and I don't know how to format it. It's really getting out of hand, and off-wiki non-editors are noticing it on Twitter. ~Destroyeraa🌀22:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately, if it is an LTA, they won't give up. Not with their kind of motives. And the person that I suspect behind those edits (User:Wyatt2049) has shown no signs of quitting anytime soon. It would have to take numerous, heavy consequences (rapid, extensive blocks), or a lack of time on their part, for them to disappear. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 20:08, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@LightandDark2000: Sadly, the LTA IP vandalized my talk page twice, so I requested page protection. It got denied because the admins did not believe the LTA IP would come back. ~Destroyeraa🌀20:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
It really depends on the reviewing admin and the level of vandalism on your talk page. For example, you can look at my talk page. It has been vandalized by passerby vandals and LTAs repeatedly over the last few years, so I managed to get it Semi-ed repeatedly. And after all that vandalism, it was rather easy for me to get Semi-Protection reapplied when the vandalism resumed (even on a smaller scale). LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 20:15, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Sorry about the vandalism that the vandal did. It wasn't me. The vandal was impersonating me because the vandal hates everyone who has acted against them, and wants to disrupt Wikipedia. Sorry if you took it as me, "Destrroyeraa" is too close to "Destroyeraa." Cheers. ~Destroyeraa🌀00:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Destroyeraa: Nothing to apologize for. At first I thought it was some joke in reference to said vandal. Ugh, might ask for semi-protection of my talk page if this keeps up. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I've already requested protection for mine. This vandal won't give up. Trying IPs has failed, now the vandal has taken to impersonating users, trying to let others blame us! ~Destroyeraa🌀01:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Tornado. In reply to your email, since the matter has been resolved, I would let it go. It was a simple mistake and doesn't have any wider implications for the impersonation problem. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
BTW looking at your talk page history: I would have protected it if you asked. For now the troll has been blocked so protection isn't currently warranted, but ask if it happens again. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hard to say. I used to be able to recognize this person when they were active on political articles, but they seem to have changed focus in recent years. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC) Actually, reading that investigation more closely, it turns out that they don't know who the current culprit was but it probably wasn't them. It also was not the other two LTAs who were proposed as possibilities. The upshot was that they don't know who it was but it doesn't matter. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
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hi TornadoLGS i'm the 01052021a guy that can't edit can you show me how to add the correct citation for showing hurricane lorenzo being not retired — Preceding unsigned comment added by 01052021a (talk • contribs) 15:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
@01052021a: The citation you added to the article is formatted correctly, but it doesn't mention Lorenzo. You would need to find a source that specifically mentions Lorenzo as being one of the few category 5 hurricanes to have not been retired. TornadoLGS (talk) 16:01, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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