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Thanks very very much

Tgeairn, I wanted to stop by your talk page to thank you very very much for your kind words about me: "I completely agree that both your article quality and work in general here lately at EN are superb."

That really means a lot to me and I really appreciate you taking the time to write those words to me, thank you.

I encourage you to read through some of my successful Quality improvement projects related to the general topic of freedom of speech.

Freedom for the Thought That We Hate is a good example of one of my more successful Quality improvement projects, and I highly recommend you read the book as well.

Let me know what you think of the book.

Thanks again,

— Cirt (talk) 16:42, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

@Cirt: Thank you for stopping by! I'm travelling later this week and thought I'd see if I can find a Kindle version for the flight. Coming from where I do, responsible freedom of speech and expression are very dear to me. I am looking forward to the read. Cheers! Tgeairn (talk) 18:21, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, wonderful, that's great, I hope you have safe travels and an enjoyable read ! — Cirt (talk) 20:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Sounds great, I'm glad you got a copy of the book. — Cirt (talk) 21:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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How are you enjoying it ?

How're you enjoying that book I'd recommended, Freedom for the Thought That We Hate ?

I hope you find it an enlightening discussion about freedom of speech ?

Let me know what you think,

— Cirt (talk) 02:45, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Quite a bit! The US Supremes is an interesting phenomena for me, especially the supposed balance of power. The meanderings of the "right" of speech, and the public perception of it, is both informative and interesting. I'd love to see an update with everything that has happened the past few years... The US court has, I believe, weighed in on online speech and publication recently - along with the whole well known "corporate personhood" and how it relates. You/I can see the roots of that, but it's obviously a real diversion (and a divisive issue).

You're probably aware that some of your distant past is catching up with me (no need to discuss details), so things have been fairly wiki-busy as well. I only bring it up in the context of free speech... It is interesting to me how we reconcile one person or group's rights against another, and what impact that reconciliation has on the larger community. For instance, there is/was an AN or ANI thread in the past day or so where the subject of a BLP was saying that the article was having a significant negative impact on him and his family. I didn't have the time to look at the sourcing for the article, but even a quick skim made it obvious what he was talking about. What's interesting to me is, even if (big IF in this case, I think) the article is/was completely accurate - is interfering with his ability to work as a researcher and journalist (his protected right) a "moral" result of the freedom of expression of those writing about him? (I am specifically not saying names or linking to anything here, this is purely hypothetical.)

Food for thought. Cheers! Tgeairn (talk) 03:09, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Tgeairn, but as far as what you replied with, above, aside from talking to you about the book about freedom of speech, and the associated article I wrote from scratch and created on Wikipedia as a new article and then successfully took to Featured Article quality, Freedom for the Thought That We Hate -- I think you know that I can't comment to you about the other thing you mentioned. I'm glad you're enjoying the book. I agree with you that another book would be great as an update to things that have happened with regards to freedom of speech since that book was published. Unfortunately, the book's author Anthony Lewis died in 2013. — Cirt (talk) 03:14, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

First, I apologize... I was attempting to stay hypothetical enough that a conversation could be had - and, I completely understand staying on the safe side of things. It was my error to even put you in the position to have to clarify.

Yes, another book would be welcome (when I get a round tuit). I expect that things in the realm of freedom of speech are only going to get stranger in the next couple years. What I'm seeing where I am is very odd behaviour on the part of the legal system. It seems that protecting some things comes at the expense of others, and there's not a lot of consistency. Of course, what I really want to read is what someone writes 50 years from now (about now). --Tgeairn (talk) 03:24, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I accept the apology. I'm glad you understand the precariousness of my position regarding that, and my desire to stay on the safe side of things. Yes, I agree with you that protecting some things comes at the expense of others' freedom of speech. Unfortunately to read a book from the future we'd need a DeLorean. — Cirt (talk) 03:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cirt:Yeah, I need to either be patient (and stop smoking) - or get busy on a time machine. I see that Lockheed is claiming to have Mr Fusion figured out (okay, maybe I'm paraphrasing) - so it should be a weekend project, right? --Tgeairn (talk) 03:40, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps. It's nice to live in the present but if I could time travel there are certainly things I would do different, or wouldn't do, or do other things instead. :( — Cirt (talk) 04:14, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cirt:I've found that no matter when it is, I'm always present and it always seems (to me at least) to be the present... So no worries, nothing but the present to worry about. :) --Tgeairn (talk) 04:18, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

It's tough to be present in the present when others are simultaneously bringing up your past, wouldn't you agree, Tgeairn? :( — Cirt (talk) 04:21, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cirt:Ack! True. Darn, got the past in the present - so now it's the present past? How about it's the past, and I have (in the present) a past - but it's not the present? Now I'm thinking of the past as a thing, which it clearly isn't, so there isn't a past? Man, now I know why Doc Brown said to get rid of that thing. How about we go with living in the present (full stop)? --Tgeairn (talk) 05:05, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed most distressing to have one's past brought up in the present and treated as if that past happened in the present as the persistent present now instead of the year-and-years-ago-past. I'd like your suggestion, Tgeairn for us both to go with living in the present (full stop) -- how do you suggest we start going about doing that? — Cirt (talk) 11:58, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

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