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ITESM Campus Toluca

I would like to know if your class begins tomorrow or the day after. I live in the US, so tomorrow will be Labor Day. Please reply on my talk page.Laleena 21:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the user-groups yet. Good luck! Laleena 20:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Just dropping by to wish you the best of luck with this project! Cheers, Neranei (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

When?

So what day are we getting the adoptees? J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 02:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see the enthusiasm!! Be patient just a little while longer. I had them look at the pages associated with the project last night and will have them create userpages tonight. Thelmadatter 13:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Oh cool, so we should expect them within the next week or so? J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 14:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I expect you should start seeing them within the week. Watch this discussion page and the Nav Bar, as soon as they notify me of the existence of their userpages, it will be in both places. You dont have to wait for them to come to you if you want to get started. Next week they have to give presentations on aspects of Wikipedia to help oriente themselves and the rest of the class.Thelmadatter 14:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Oh, boy! I can hardly wait! *User shakes with anticipation* Arky ^¡Hablar! 16:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• • User page created**

Miss this is our userpage, check it out!!! 132.254.138.70 18:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)User:APPLETEAM132.254.138.70 18:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Appleteam! Arky ^¡Hablar! 18:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem with student accounts

Whoa, whoa, are you all different people working on the same account? That can be considered a compromised account and you can be blocked under that name. If you are all User:Appleteam, consider creating separate accounts. But anyway, Welcome! J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 18:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

for the purposes of the class I want students to work in groups under the same username. See nav bar. They will be working in groups as they contribute to Wikipedia... it is better if they speak with "one voice" instead of communicating separately with mentors and other wikipedians... less chaos. I hope this can be acceptable.Thelmadatter 19:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

I looked at the blocking policy and if I understand it correctly, this should not be a violation unless there is disruption. I dont see how this will be disruptive. Thelmadatter 19:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

I don't see how separate usernames could create "chaos", just have each mentor create a subpage on their user page for each group to watch, and that way, it all stays organized. It might not be disruptive, but I know there's something against compromised accounts. J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 19:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I've found it. This policy states specifically that "you are not allowed to share your account or password with others." I'm sorry, but the group accounts have to go. J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 20:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Who do I ask for some kind of special exception? I am too far along into this project to have this kind of problem. I want them to have an account so that they learn to integrate into the Wikipedian community but I dont want mentors writing the same thing on 4 different userpages. or getting the same question from 4 people. I also dont want to be monitoring about 60 individual pages and trying piece together how the group interacted with their mentors and each other. I discussed this with Richard some time back on this or the school project page.Thelmadatter 20:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

That's where my suggestion comes in. Lot's of administrator coaches create a "coaching" subpage. Each mentor could have a subpage, and their group could discuss things on that page. You would only have to watch about 5, depending on your number of students. J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 20:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I have over 40 people who have volunteered to mentor, enough to have multiple mentors for each group. Not having their own page IMHO takes away from the Wikipedia experience. If I cant get around the ban against group pages, maybe I can have subpages on my username for each group. But really, it would be better to have some kind of exception to policy in this case.Thelmadatter 20:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Also, of course, you could create a "Class" page of your own in userspace, like User:Thelmadatter/Students, which might have the various individual student user pages linked to it, maybe even indicating the individual student's specialty. That might be a way of "centralizing" the students. You might also ask each student who has created their own userpage to make their individual user talk pages redirects to a "group" talk page. I think wikipedia policy would permit an individual user to turn their individual talk page into a redirect to another, multi-user, talk page. Also, I've contacted the presumptive founder of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Classroom coordination, and hope that that party might be contacting you as the opportunity permits. With any luck, she'll have a better idea of what is possible here. John Carter 20:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

It is my understanding of the GFDL that having multiple people editing under one username violates the GFDL as each author's contributions should be attributed to that individual. Other's with a better understanding of the GFDL may want to step in this discussion. Granted, I have not investigated what exactly you are doing here, but if you are wanting each team to have one ID and then edit the same userpage, you could have all students create an ID and then assign a team leader and have all members of that team edit on that person's talk page.↔NMajdan•talk 20:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that giving each user their own userspace, and then have a separate mentoring page (in your userspace, or each mentor's userspace) for each group is a great idea. Giving each student their own userspace certainly adds to the wikipedia experience, it doesn't take away from it. J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 20:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we cannot make an exception since allowing multiple editors to edit under one acct violates WP:U and WP:GFDL, just to name a few. However, we can try to come up with a solution that allows your students to continue with their project on Wikipedia. Again, you can have all your students create individual accounts and then assign them to edit only one user's talk page. Or you can create subpages on your username (such as User:Thelmadatter/Group1, User:Thelmadatter/Group2, etc) and have them edit that. Each individuals edits must be attributable to that user's ID, and that is impossible when multiple editors use one ID.↔NMajdan•talk 20:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Here is a possible solution. I created a subpage of the Project Page Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Appleteam and the students can put there usernames (when they all have them) on this page. They communicate with mentors and others about their school-related projects here and here only. On their personal pages, they can do whatever they like, but I will not be checking them. Is that acceptable?Thelmadatter 22:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds good. You should create pages like this for each group. Would you like me to mentor Appleteam?

Also, what are you going to do about User:Appleteam?J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 22:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

you can go to Appleteams page and volunteer but give me a little time to get students settled. This is going to complicate things immensely for them and Wikipedia is not the most intuitive site to get around in. Ill let you know about the already-establish userpages as soon as I talk to my students. Thelmadatter 22:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

I established group pages for Appleteam, ZYANYA06 and Copitas atAppleteam,ZYANYA06,Copitas and I left messages for them at the userpages I created. Its going to be messy but hopefully I can get all the group pages up quickly.Thelmadatter 23:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

OK. By the way, you don't have to type your username after the four swing-dashes. J-stan ^Talk_Contribs 02:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I received a request to take a look at this situation and I have to agree: because of GDFL copyright licensing issues it's beyond the power of individual editors - or even administrators - to approve role accounts. You might try e-mailing the Wikimedia Foundation, but really it's better to have the individual students register individual accounts. You could still keep things fairly straightforward by assigning sequential usernames, such as...

• Appleteam1
• Appleteam2
• Appleteam3
• Orangeteam1
• Orangeteam2
• Orangeteam3

I hope that solves your dilemma. Feel free to contact me at my user talk if you have further questions. Best regards, and thanks for incorporating Wikipedia into your class. Durova^Charge! 02:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

user page created

ZYANYA06 19:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)ZYANYA06ZYANYA06 19:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

why doesnt this link to a valid userpage? Thelmadatter 19:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Not sure, although the actual account does exsit (see here). Perhaps when they created the account they thought they'd made a userpage. Ah well, Arky ^¡Hablar! 19:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi teacher, We´d just made our user page [1] Mexico Japan 19:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Mexico_Japan

Hi teacher, this is our user pageCopitas 19:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Copitas

Welcome to wikipedia! I just wanted to post to let you know that when you sign your messages, you don't need to type your username out after the ~~~~, the software will figure it out on its own. To demonstrate, if I type in '~~~~', the software returns my full signature: --ST47Talk·Desk 21:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Zyasel88 18:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)Zyasel88Zyasel88 18:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi teacher!! my personal page created, Zyanya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ktiianas

Contributing/mentoring via watchlist

Leigh, I'd like to contribute to your great project, but the word "mentor" gives me hives. I'd rather add pages to my watchlist and edit an article or discuss via talk page as something catches my attention, but don't know if that would be helpful if you already have too many editors helping out. Good luck and many halos for you. Flowanda | Talk 01:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

That would be great! Welcome! Thelmadatter 13:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Fortitudodei88 17:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Fortitudodei88Fortitudodei88 17:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Userpage creation was succesfull

100 word assignment

Students, while I appreciate the kind words, what I really want is your thoughts about what you have read on this discussion page. I dont really see anything in these 3 writings that indicate that you read these pages. Thelmadatter 16:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Mentors

Hello. I am one of the mentors with my name on your list of mentors. I was wondering whether you would be assigning your students to us, or whether you would rather we just simply help out. Essentially, I am trying to ask the following: will they be coming to us, or should we be going to them? --דניאל - Dantheman531 02:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Either way... in the end, it is the students' responsibility to make sure that they have the help they they need; however, if mentors approach them, Im sure it will be appreciated. I have told them to work on their group pages, so that in case any of you guys want to take the initiative, you have some idea who you are contacting. I thought about assigning mentors, but decided against it because I felt it would take away some from the "wikipedia experience" and I didnt want students coming to me to fix their problems if a mentor disappeared. Thelmadatter 13:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

What do you mean "Wikipedia experience"? You've used that before, and as a new user, what does the "wikipedia experience" mean to you? J-ſtan ^Talk_Contribs 14:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I have described Wikipedia as a "culture" and a "society". Like becoming part of any society, one must experience the disorientation of learning how to function within that culture. That includes culture clash (where values collide, as they did with the discussion about group user pages) and culture shock (the feeling of disorientation as you are trying to learn a complete set of rules). As their teacher, I am required to guide them through the experience but I cannot and should not explain everything to them. I doubt too many Wikipedians learned how to contribute to this by having someone over their shoulder, explaining every question they had to them in person. One of the priniple goals of this course is to show how communicating effectively in a foreign language requires more than knowing grammar, vocabulary etc. It requires learning how, when, where, what and whom to communicate ... all of these are based on the society/culture at hand. While most people never get to travel to a country where the target language is spoken, the Internet provides opportunties to integrate oneself in outside communities. And Wikipedia is a community. Hope this clarifies. Thelmadatter 14:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

I guess that clarifies. I also think it would be a help to the mentors if the groups were more active. J-ſtan ^Talk_Contribs 14:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes it would. Unfortunately, many students do not jump the gun as fast as we would like. Many students wait until deadlines are looming before doing what they need. I have set some intermediate deadlines and warned them that one way to show repect to you guys is to start responding. And lets face it... Wikipedia is a bit daunting! Thelmadatter 14:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

100 WORDS ASSIGNMENT FROM THE _ PANCAKES

These were the topics that we think are the most important. -USERBOXES -MUNICIPALITIES AS A TOPIC And this is why: As we read in the comments, we like the idea of using Mexican municipalities as a topic . For example we would talk about some place we have visited. As Cancùn, Acapulco or maybe Toluca.But we don´t want to only put information like location, weather, etc. But also to put our experiences in that place, and why people from all over the world should visit that place.

As we read in the discussion we don`t think that infoboxes should be necessary. Maybe because it would take a lot of time doing them. And we may not be focusing on what we are writting. It is important to read these comments because they may help us in doing our project. Userpage Userpage

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.254.101.49 (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 

• (from a mentor) Writing on a place in Mexico sounds like a very good idea, in my opinion, except that the bigger cities probably have articles already. Category:Cities in Mexico and List of cities in Mexico will show you what we have so far.

Perhaps a small city, or perhaps a monument or attraction within a city? Or maybe something from history. For instance, we have an article on Tenochtitlan, and on Cancun, but we do not have an article on Ruinas del Rey or El Meco or Punta Sam.

Please be careful about writing about your own experiences. Wikipedia has a policy against original research and we ask that facts be backed up by citations as much as possible. In practice some of our articles fall short of having references, but all of our Wikipedia:Featured articles and Wikipedia:Good articles have references.

How does referencing work in practice? As an example, let's say you know a fact, like "____ is a popular hotel nearby and they offer daily tours of this site". Instead of just writing that in, you would first find some other website or magazine or other source that also says this. Then you would site that source.

Your mentors can help you with formatting the references.

Good luck with whatever you choose! Johntex\^talk 00:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

100 words assignment from ZYANYA06 group

Firstly, what we read in your user page was mainly about the main reason why you decided to use Wikipedia as the focus and goal of the course. The way how using an internet resource such as Wikipedia will help us in order to learn more about foreign people and their countries. To put in practice the topics discussed in class such as cultural adaptation. Understand that submitting an article in Wikipedia entail a great responsibility as it will be read by many people. Secondly, in your discussion page are just talks you have with other users. Most outstanding discussions are about on how they are concerned of our projects and the way they could help us.

Yacopop 02:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

100 words from AppleTeam

In your main page, we can see the reason why, you want us to made this project.It is important to know about vocabulary and grammar, but we should be able to interact with native english speakers. Using wikipedia would let us understand and interact with the "real world". Reading your user page let us understand better the things that we are going to learn.This project will made us confront a different enviroment. Wikipedia its not an easy thing and we have to learn somethings by ourselves. The discussion let us see different points of view. Mentors, who have years working on Wikipedia discuss things that they think are right. It is also important to read their opinions and create one of our own. Mentors and people everywhere can participate of this project.It would be really helpful and we will learn alot. We as a team are really excited about this new oportunity.We will have a new experience.We believe it would teach us a lot.User:189.139.22.97 00:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)blueapple23

Link to our group page.Appleteam

Also here is our link to the group page.It is in the navigation bar but anyway![[2]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueapple23 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

100 words from Mexico_Japan

In your user page you explain us why it is important to write an article in Wikipedia.As you´ve said, not only will it help us to improve our english knowledge, but also to learn more about other cultures. Indeed, people from other countries will learn more about Mexico. That´s why in your discussion page you mention that it is important that we write about issues from our country.You also mentioned that what will help us to improve our english is the project of editing an article or the translating one, and finally to write or own. In your discussion page we can see that mentors also like the idea of this project. They are making a great effort to help use to write very interesting and helpful things. Echg07 21:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Echg07 comment added by Echg07 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

100 words from Copitas

Hi teacher! We saw a lot of conversation here. We must had read your discussion page like 2 or 3 times to understand what was going on. This, how you said "Wikipedia experience", is quite nice. All is new, and here we can realize how many people are involved. We think we can learn about many of the suggestions they did to you. We didn’t think there would be that amount of people that want to help us. We realize that when you write or do something wrong a lot of folks are going to tell you. This project is different and interesting. We love the fact that this is team work.DanielaB 17:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)DanielaB 15:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)DanielaB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Copitas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.57.22.253 (talk) 04:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

100 words from Lirdoco Team

We liked a lot your main page because finally we understood perfectly how Wikipedia will help us. As you said "The only way to learn to write and to learn how to interact in a "foreign" environment is to do it", this is true and we believe that it doesn´t matter how much grammar and vocabulary you know, it is important to know how to interact with foreign people in different ways. What you mention about helping each other and don´t divide the word is a good way to develop teamwork. About your disscussion page, we will like to have all of those realations you have with many users of wikipedia because it´s always good to have a friend and someone that could support you.----- Lirdoco

100 Words from From_the_south

In the discussion page we saw a lot of comments about our wikipedia project. Doubts about the problem we had creating a group page. Mentors interested in our wikiproject and interested in being our mentors. We also saw some help requests related with the wikiproject. In the discussion page it is explained that because of wikipedia policy we could not make our group pages as planned at the beginning of the period. In your page there is a navigator bar. Under the link of “project pages” are given the instructions for the wikiproject. There are also links for bibliography we will need and for our group pages.

----- from the south —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.254.137.68 (talk) 21:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

100 words from Lovely Girls Team

According to your user page, we found this project to be a new experience in our lives. Although some of us have already experience new cultures, it is the first time we experience with a big audience. By reading your discussion page, it does seem kind of hard to start getting use to this environment. We know it will take us some time to understand all the policies and functions of the server, but the mentors will help us out with those problems (at least we hope so). It is still kind of confusing, but we will manage it somehow. ----- Hitoko

100 words from Taco Team

We found the whole wikipedia project interesting because it’s not a common assignment and we had never been part of something like this. We also find it kinda difficult because we’re not used to contributing in such a large encyclopedia as wikipedia is. The fact that there are many mentors to help us in whatever we need is cool and helpful. It makes us feel safe and somehow also more encouraged to do a good job. Event though user boxes are fun, they use way too much space. We read the article about Mexican music and we laughed out loud. We hope we don't offend anyone with this but it's just that most of the information is inaccurate. At some point we'd like to contribute with some improvements for it. Finally, we’d like to write an article about Mexican food (pozole, mole, tacos, enchiladas, tamales, etc) because we're fond of mexican cuisine! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.254.136.231 (talk) 18:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Userbox

Here is the userbox of mexico:

This user hopes to be Mexican citizen the next year.

Now you only need to add the code of the userbox to your user page, and then you are going to have the small code and not this longer one.----- Lirdoco 05:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Lirdoco

Yacopop 02:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Yacopop Yacopop 02:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!!!

Thelmadatter 13:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

International All Stars 100 words

The discussion board is definitely a source designed to provide us help. We can find there instructions to make our Wikipedia article the best as possible. Some of them are related with info-boxes, whose purpose is to support ideas and explain them by giving examples. Info-boxes are not necessarily indispensable for assignments, but certainly, they had become a way for “synthesizing” information. Mentors are one of the most important subjects in the reading. These people offer their help to students and consequently, they will answer questions, clarify doubts and will try to be in touch whenever someone needs it. They had also reorganized pages to avoid any confusion and divided them in some useful categories. It was funny when they began to talk about the teacher’s name. Maybe mentors were trying to figure out where her last name came from. We laugh when they guessed about its origin. Sharing an account became such a problem, but finally a great solution was given. We think this is the best way to be assist with any hesitation. In conclusion, the group can truly affirm that this project will be a marvelous improvement for our second language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crisp26 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment

I think this is a project that won't just help us with comunication in English. Personally, since I am not from México, I feel it will help me adjust to this new environment, this culture I'm trying to be a part of. The teacher is right when she says speaking a foreing language is not just learning grammar and vocabulary, it is also learning how to adapt to the different situations that we will experience. I find it impressive how eassy is comunicating between Wikipedians, and how they help each other in order to become a trustable community. We also appreciate a lot the fact that people who doesn't even know us, it is going to help us with our projects this semester. In the discussion page, there are a lot of topics. In this page you can make all the comments you want about the articles, the way they are written, if they are missing something or stuff like that. Finally i think this project was a great idea, it becomes a big part of our prepartion for all the things we will be doing in a near future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alejandrajustiniano05 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Interesting project idea

I like it. If you are interested, I managed to get on to Wikipedia in February and now have 4 featured articles including one on the main page today. For bonus points on their projects, I'd like to see your students see if they can get an article to Featured Article status. It would really be a crowning achievement for them...but that's just my two cents...aw crap, that's an idiom...how about "that's what I think; take it for what it's worth." — BQZip01 — ^talk 22:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

that would be wonderful! I suggest that you look at the group pages (on the navigation bar on my user page) and see which group or groups you would like to work with and watch their page(s). This is kinda off to a slow start as students are a bit disoriented in this environment. They dont have to start writing actual contributions until Oct. (see the syllabus page (under Project Pages in the nav bar) for their Wikipedia-based assignments) Thelmadatter 16:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar!

My first one, even. It's my WikiFairy nature to tidy things up like that. --Geniac 14:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Groups and Mentors table

I have created a table of Groups, Students and Mentors at Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Groups. I think this table would be useful to help determine who is in each group and who is mentoring that group. I got the table started and started filling it out. Then I thought that this would be a useful exercise for each group. All they need to do is put their names in the appropriate box in the Students column and the name of their mentor in the Mentor column. If they can do this with wikilinks, that's even better.

Another advantage to having them do this is that they can learn the power of transclusion. Note that, even though Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Groups is in Wikipedia space and not Template space, it can still be transcluded just like a template. Your students can notice that any change to Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Groups is reflected in both Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Students and Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mentors.

If you don't want to use up limited instruction and assignment time having the students fill it out, I can finish the table myself. It just takes time and I figured the students would benefit more from the experience than I would.

--Richard 16:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I see the table appears in the Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Students. I think that is a better place for it instead of creating yet another new project page. Plus that page is already in the Nav Bar. I will instruct students to fill in as best they can. They are doing presentations about Wikipedia this week and we seem to have about 15 min each day to work on stuff. Where's the email you promised me??? :PThelmadatter 17:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

SALCs

See the talk page for feedback. — BQZip01 — ^talk 21:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Laleena

I am considering leaving mentorship here due to my conscience. Laleena 23:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Im sorry to see you go. If there is anything specific you would like to tell me, please send me an email. Thelmadatter 14:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

First, I can't send you an e-mail. Second, I will stay on the mentorship, but I do not agree with some of your viewpoints. Laleena 12:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Templates mentor

Would you like me to take one of your more advanced groups and teach them how to create basic templates, or not? themcman1 _talk 17:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

If I can butt in here... we have to be mindful that this is not a course in Wikipedia but rather a course in English that happens to use Wikipedia as a teaching tool. If there are students that want to learn how to use templates, that's great but otherwise the focus should be on writing articles and interacting with mentors rather than on technical details of how to use Wikipedia.

--Richard 17:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree. If you get specific requests to do so, fine but creation of templates or images or infoboxes does not count towards their grade for contributing to Wikipedia. Any conversing you due this month with them about creating such counts towards their "networking" assignment... as long as it is all done in English, of course. Thelmadatter 18:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Tim Nomber Juan 100 words

Reading this discussion page has been very interesting. Interaction is very important in wikipedia so we have to adapt to this system. An interesting thing that we saw is how easy mistakes are corrected by other people who only wants to help you. Here we have to deal with foreing people and accept to be corrected or trashed but it is only to help us and nothing else (we hope). The discussion page is a source designed to write all your doubts and questions about Wikipedia, in order to be answered. The main topics were about the info-boxes to provide a synthesis of the information. Also about the people requesting to become a mentor to help us in our projects. Finally we think that the Wikipedia project will improve our english.Christian Panchana 02:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Los Boogeys 100 words

According with the user page, we are going to have a new experience as writers and also as wikipedians. For this project we have to have an open mind, because we are going to interact with people from different culture. A good thing of Wikipedia is that we have mistakes somebody can correct them. Also this project will improve our skills as writers. In the short time that we have in Wikipedia we have found some people that is very helpful. comment added by Diego Callejas (talk • contribs) 00:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Idea

I noted a lot of your students have expressed a wide variety of interests: food, beer, etc. Although it is kind of out of date (I'm working on updating it right now), they might find it useful to refer to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory to see if there are any extant projects which deal with their given subjects, and maybe contact them when they start work on related articles. Just an idea. John Carter 19:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: changing name of article

Done. See Help:Moving a page; "click on the "Move" tab near the top of the page". --Geniac 14:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to let your students know that moving a page is easy, maybe too easy. Moving a page can be contentious. If the name change is purely about spelling, it's less of a problem although sometimes even the spelling of a name can be the subject of heated and, unfortunatedly, even vitriolic debate.

Anyone can move a page but anyone else can move it back and sometimes this leads to "move wars". Unless a move is clearly uncontroversial, it's a good idea to ask on the Talk Page first and then wait a few days to see if anyone objects. This is a rule of thumb that I often violate but I also get slapped around every so often when I get too bold. Help your students avoid this unpleasantness. Advise them to use this feature carefully. --Richard 16:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

MasamiS

Hi teacher, I'm from the MexicoJapan group. I'm finding your page and this project quite great, this will improve our english so much. I've seen some of your articles (ex:machaca) I've been thinking that for my project I can improve some of your articles about our culture. Also I think your user page is very well distributed for us the students, so we found very easy to read the articles and in our team we found that the response of the mentors is incredible. We never thought we had such an amazing response to this project. We are currently reading the article a mentor gave us to iniciate our wikipedia project. I hope our contribitions will make a better user page and improve the wikipedia community. (MasamiS 18:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC))

External links in Syllabus

A Round Tuit.

Thelmadatter, I see this was mentioned above (#Formatting tweaks, 5P)... were you going to need the Syllabus page printed out? If so, it makes sense to leave all those links and hard external links. Otherwise, do you agree it would look better with wikilinks? One other question I had was this: I noticed a few of the groups are... well... really quiet and haven't edited much yet. Is that a cause for concern, or are they not expected to have done much yet? --Geniac 14:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes...wikilinks would be much better ... gosh darn it, I just never get that "roundtuit" thingy I need to fix that little problem. No editing yet, That will start the first week of October. This "partial" was just first creating a presence in Wikipedia and brainstorming ideas for the contributions of the third partial (~October) and 4th partial/final project (first 2 weeks in November. I know this is slower most Wikipedians operate but students are doing other projects and assignments as well and this allows for time for mixups and problems--- which we have had!Thelmadatter 16:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Good point and I understand the need for taking a slower pace. I changed the URLs on the Syllabus page to wikilinks and reworded things slightly around them. --Geniac 18:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Round Tuit! Just what I needed hee hee hee hee Thelmadatter 17:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:Translations from English to Spanish Wikipedia

There is no strict protocol for translating English-language to Spanish, and it certainly is not limited to featured articles. Sadly, articles from Word may not be uploaded to Wikipedia. What you can do is do the article in Word, copy-and-paste it to the edit box, create the article, and then wikify (format) it. --Agüeybaná 21:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Borbotones Team!! Contribution

==100 WORDS: BORBOTONES TEAM!==

ABOUT YOUR USER AND DISCUSSION PAGE:

Nowadays the world is becoming smaller day by day. The main reason of this is the fast growing of means of communication. One of them, if not the most powerful is the Internet. Your discussion and user page helps us to realize the importance of networking as a good strategy for solving problems or starting a group project. It also represents a bigger confrontation with an English public that can’t be developed in a classroom. We learned from your conversations with mentors that some aspects we don’t know can be clarified by other people even if they aren’t from our culture or country. As you said Wikipedia is a community and we would probably have to deal with problems like disorientation but we have to consider that human can adapt to every environment.

MORE SPECIFIC OPINIONS ABOUT DISCUSSION PAGE:

*About e-mail and interviews as a formal reference: In Mexico it’s considered that an e-mail or interview is a reliable source when it comes from a recognized and well know people or group of people. Even APA considers e-mail as a source. This is the way to cite them: Author > URL > Subject > Date > Name of the server used (hotmail, yahoo…)

*Infoboxes: they are a good tool if you want to have your pages organized. However as Richard tells us, don’t waste too much time with them because the project is for upgrading English skills not editing Wikipedia.

*Translating from English to Spanish (articles): I think that translating an article from English to Spanish is not a big problem. However we are humans and of course we make mistakes. We should check spelling and redaction when finishing translating so that your article will not be a “run-on”.

*Titles and signature: About the discussion page we would like to invite users to use Titles because sometimes it was a little difficult to follow the conversation. EDGAR-ENCASTIN 03:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

TEAM PAGE:Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Borbotonesteam —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGAR-ENCASTIN (talk • contribs) 03:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

While it is true that emails can be accepted as valid sources in academic papers, Wikipedia does not accept them due to the inability to verify. The only way anyone at Wikipedia has for verification realitically is to be able to go to the source itself to check. While a regular publisher may have the resources to go and contact the knowledgable person who wrote the email, WP does not. That is the principle reason we cannot use emails as sources.Thelmadatter 15:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Logging in

Thelmadatter, could you please remind your students to log in before commenting? It helps you by giving you better access to all their work, and helps us by letting us know who is trying to communicate with us. Thanks. J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 14:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

100 shocked head words

We think that this Project is very ambitious because of its goals. First of all the project not only help us learning more about English, it also help us interacting with people. The way we can interact with people is not only by finding help in mentors and talking to them, the interaction is done since uploading an article or a comment. On the other hand, by uploading comments or updating our group pages, we got corrections or even disappointments. As we have read, we will have to upload a stub in the third partial in order to complete our assignments and we find it very interesting. The reason we think that is the fact that the stub wont be helpful only for us, but every Wikipedian on the web. --Flea 1100962 02:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

100 words, park lovers

Sorry teacher I hadn't done this before... well during my "surf" here I could notice there were some probles during Account Creation, due to the fact that J told you it was prohibited to share an account and a password with other people. I found it good, because in that case you can "protect" yourself for being used as "bad example" in wikipedia. I hadn't thought about the fact that it is not really easy to organize all these pages, but reading what the mentors did to your page and how they helped me to reorganize mine, i finally came to the idea it is a hard work. I know not only surfing here is a "contribution" to wikipedia, I've come to the conclusion that using wikipedia can be accurate if we all help to do so. Arezvik 19:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Working on Toluca page

Next week (Oct 1-4), my students will be working on the page about Toluca Mexico to improve it (our school is located here). You can help by looking at the page and making comments about what needs to be improved on the page on Talk:Toluca. In particular, comment on things needed to wikify the page and/or things that you, as a "foreigner" find confusing and/or incomplete. As residents here, I'm sure my students will also think of things that need to be changed or added. Thelmadatter 14:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

How do I archive?

Now that students are done looking at my old messages, how do I archive them? Thelmadatter 14:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

First You have to create an archive subpage of your talk page. Then all you have to do is move them there in chronological order depending on when the discussion was first started. See Help:Archiving a talk page for more. I actually have a bot archive my talk page for me. You might not want that because some of these discussions might be relevant later. J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 14:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Working on Toluca and State of Mexico page

Next week (Oct 1-4), my students will be working on the page about Toluca Mexico and State of Mexico to improve them (our school is located here). You can help by looking at the page and making comments about what needs to be improved on the page on Talk:Toluca. In particular, comment on things needed to wikify the page and/or things that you, as a "foreigner" find confusing and/or incomplete. As residents here, I'm sure my students will also think of things that need to be changed or added.

Thanks for the update! Btw, State of Mexico isn't an article; it's a redirect to México (state), which I see you have piped in your wikilink. I thought I'd point this out in case somebody thinks your students will be editing the redirect and not the article. I advise using actual article titles when talking about them when possible; it's usually simpler and clearer. Btw also, can you remind your students to always log in before editing? Thanks! --Geniac 19:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Working on Toluca and State of Mexico page

Next week (Oct 1-4), my students will be working on the page about Toluca Mexico and State of Mexico to improve them (our school is located here). You can help by looking at the page and making comments about what needs to be improved on the page on Talk:Toluca. In particular, comment on things needed to wikify the page and/or things that you, as a "foreigner" find confusing and/or incomplete. As residents here, I'm sure my students will also think of things that need to be changed or added.

Thanks for the update! Btw, State of Mexico isn't an article; it's a redirect to México (state), which I see you have piped in your wikilink. I thought I'd point this out in case somebody thinks your students will be editing the redirect and not the article. I advise using actual article titles when talking about them when possible; it's usually simpler and clearer. Btw also, can you remind your students to always log in before editing? Thanks! --Geniac 19:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mexico Japan

Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mexico Japan, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mexico Japan and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mexico Japan during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. The Evil Spartan 01:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, the result was keep :) J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 02:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary

Please encourage your students to always type something into the edit summary; it is an important habit to exhibit as a good Wikipedian.--Appraiser 19:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra Credit Assignment

Hi miss, here I send you the links to my contribution. I upload an image of the sign that is in the freeway to go to Laguna Beach..is it ok??
Thank you for your time,
Miguel Rodriguez (1162272)
Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Laguna_Beach_%281%29.jpg
Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laguna_Beach
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Laguna_Beach_%281%29.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmiguelrd (talk • contribs) 23:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
PD: If you want me to proove you that I took the picture I can take my laptop the the class to show you that I have plenty of pictures that I took in that trip. Bye.

I reverted Lmiguelrd's edit to the Laguna Beach article because the photo does not add value to the article and is formatted too small as well. Here is a link to the revision that has the photo in it so you can check his work.

--Richard 06:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I did check and I have to agree with Richard. You will need to upload a different photo to get credit. Try to upload a photo from where you live instead of from vacation. You are more likely to find something that does add to the related article.Thelmadatter 18:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

New Photo uploaded
Hi miss, here I send you the links to my new contribution. I upload an image of the twelve angle rock, the most famous rock of all the Inca walls. It is famous because of it's perfection and also because it has 12 angles. This rock is even the image of the most famous beer in my country (Perú), "Cuzqueña". I took the photograph in my trip to Cuzco. Thank you for your time, Miguel Rodriguez (1162272) Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foto_PC_207.jpg
Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuzco#Gallery
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piedra_de_12_angulos.jpg#Summary

Very interesting. Galleries are nice but not really very informative. It just makes me want to ask if you couldn't find a place for this picture where you can put some text describing what the Inca Wall is and why this stone is interesting. I'm guessing that it is because the stone mason's carefully carved 12 angles so that this stone could fit into the wall. Is there enough text to write an article on the Inca Wall? Is this wall known by that name? You could also upload a picture of a bottle of Cuzqueña and use it to support the point about the notability of this stone.

--Richard 23:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could incorporate it into Dry stone? Cheers, ( arky ) 02:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I just discovered that there is another picture of the 12 angle stone here.

--Richard 03:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)Ok, I will ask my dad to take a picture of the bottle of Cuzqueña and send it to me.

NEW Photo uploaded Hi miss, here I send you the links to another contribution. Hope this time it is ok. I upload an image of footpath in Pisac.It is a very dangerous way because it is very narrow.
Thank you for your time,
Miguel Rodriguez (1162272)
Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foto_PC_283.jpg
Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%ADsac
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foto_PC_283.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmiguelrd (talk • contribs) 21:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

PHOTO OF LAS DUNAS RESORT UPLOADED Hi miss and Richard here I send you the links to another contribution. Now I have uploaded a photograph of Las Dunas Resort, that is located in Ica. I consider it as touristic because this is the most popular resort in this city and many people just go to Ica to go there. This resort is behind the dunes and people go there to do Sunboard.You can also do tubulars here. Tubulars are a kind of car design specially for the sand.I have photographs of my brother and me doing that sport, but as I apeared with him I do not know if I can upload that. I always spend Christmas in this resort, so I took this photo my las Christmas there.
Thank you for your time,
Miguel Rodriguez (1162272)
Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC00048.JPG

Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_%28city%29#Tourism
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC000481.JPG

For the purposes of the extra credit assignment, I certainly accept all that you have done here. I think this photo of Las Dunas will probably stay, esp. if you upgrade this article a little to include a mention of the resort. Thelmadatter 14:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Photo of ITESM

Hi miss.

Im sending the links to my image contribution. The picture is of our school (ITESM).

link to the image in the Wikipedia article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca#Education

link to the Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Tec_explanada.jpg

I dont know why it appear so big.¿¿?? Nathaly07 19:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Who put this up? You werent signed in when you posted here or put up the photo. Thelmadatter 20:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, When I save the photo in the commons I sign. But when I put the photo I forgot to sign. Nathaly07 14:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

OK but Im trying to attach your username to a real name. Thelmadatter 16:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Ah ok. I`m Laura Zaldívar, Group: 12:30-1:30 Nathaly07 17:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Photo Assignment

Hi miss, here I send you the links to my contribution. I upload an image of the Cordillera Oriental in Colombia..is it ok??
Thank you for your time, José Luis González (1104406)
Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cordillera_Oriental_de_Colombia.JPG
Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordillera_Oriental_%28Colombia%29
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cordillera_Oriental_Colombia.JPG

Its fine. 4 points Thelmadatter 20:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Editing the Toluca and México (state) pages

Mentors and anyone else who is interested... please take a look at the group talk pages of my students (on the navigation bar). On their pages I had them put up how they would like to modify a section of either the Toluca or State of Mexico page, depending on the class section they are in. I have them citing using APA format right now, but we will cover Wikipedia style on Monday. From what I have read, the information found is really good, but pointers on grammar, expression etc. would be appreciated. It would be really nice if they could hear it from someone other than me all the time! :D These modifications are practice to get an idea of what to do for their assignments for this month.Thelmadatter 16:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Which groups are doing Toluca and State of Mexico? --Richard 17:05, 6 October 2007 ( )

The 1230 class (groups starting with Appleteam and ending at the space on the navigation bar) is working on the [[Toluca}} page and the 330 class (starting with the now-defunct Threemanteam and to the end) is working on the México (state) article. Their proposals for the revised section they are working on is on their talk pages. Thelmadatter 20:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra Credit Toluca Pictures

Hello Teacher here are the link of the requested pictures: Link to the Toluca Discussion page (picture)

And the picture:

Link:Image:IMG0021A.jpg

Psicholink 19:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra Credit Toluca Assignment(image)

Hello Teacher, I´m Marco Damián, my user is D4m14n marco. Here are the links to the requested pictures:

You can identify the image I uploaded with the caption I added (This is a famous lake located at the top of the Nevado of Toluca.)

Link to the page: [[3]]. ****Nevado de Toluca****

Link to the image: [[4]]. ****Image:Lago.JPG****

HELLO AGAIN TEACHER: I HAVE UPLOADED THE IMAGE IN WIKIPEDIA COMMONS TO HAVE THE FULL CREDIT, HERE ARE THE LINKS:

Link to category where the image is: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Toluca

Link to the image: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lagonev.JPG

PD: The image is the same but i needed to change the name to LAGONEV because the page told me that lago has already exist.

THANK YOU!!!

D4m14n marco 19:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Photo uploaded

Hi teacher, here are the links to my contribution. I upload an image of the Cosmovitral entrance.

Oscar Moreno Soto (1102042)

Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cosmovitralentrance.jpg Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cosmovitralentrance.jpg

Yacopop 02:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)YacopopYacopop 02:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

check your discussion page. You didnt upload the image correctly into Wikipedia. Its supposed to be part of an article, not a page in and of itself. Thelmadatter 13:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

New Photo uploaded

Hi teacher, in order to fix the problem I uploaded a new photo similar to the first one.

Here are the new links to my contribution.

Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:C.Entrance.jpg Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca Link to the photograph uploaded in the article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C.Entrance.jpg

Yacopop 01:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)Yacopop

HELP, PLEASE

Hello teacher, we have already uploaded to wikipedia our contribution of Pemexgate but we can not find how to make the references appear at the end. We followed the instructions as in the Toluca page but it doesn`t work. Could you help us please??? Lirdoco

There are a couple different ways to do this. I suggest that you follow each sentence that you wish to add a reference to with <ref> and </ref>. Your reference information goes between the <ref> and the </ref>. <ref> comes before your reference information and </ref> comes after.

Then, at the end of the article, add a section called "References". Use ==References== to create the section. Then add this line <references />.

That should do it.

I have fixed the Pemexgate article for you. Some attention will be needed to improve the English but it looks like a good start. I will try to come back and look at the English when I have more time.

Good work. Keep it up.

--Richard 23:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Isn't Wikipedia grand? (I was going to use the word "ain't" but decided to put my English teacher cap on :D )Thelmadatter 14:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

EXTRA CREDIT WIKIPEDIA

Hi miss! I am Maria Belen Rios Vargas(1180943) and here is my extra credit of wikipedia. The links are the following:
Wikipedia article> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guayaquil&action=edit&section=9
Commons> http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Belen%20Rios Belen Rios PS: I hope they accept my picture
04:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Go to http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:DSC06342.JPG and add a little more description to the photo (country, city etc) so that someone just looking at this photo has a better idea what it is.Thelmadatter 14:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

ok, I extended the description. Is it ok or bigger? http://cursos.itesm.mx/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=/bin/common/course.pl?course_id=_175506_1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belen Rios (talk • contribs) 21:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

In the section titled DESCRIPTION, I made the changes>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC06342.JPG#Summary

Excellent! you now have full creditThelmadatter 13:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Luisito pictures

Hello.. My pictures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC00261.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catedral_tol.JPG

Also you can find them posted on the "Wikipedia Requested Photographs" page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Toluca%2C_State_of_Mexico —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flea 1100962 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Luis ... 1) you need to give permission to Wikimedia to use this image. Go back into the first page and make the change before they delete your image. 2) The image needs to be in the article, not on the article's talk page.Thelmadatter 15:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

EXTRA CREDIT ASSIGNMENT

Hi miss I uploaded a photo to the San Andres article, an island from Colombia, the links are:

Link for commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sanandresbeach.jpg Link for the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Andr%C3%A9s%2C_Colombia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsvargas (talk • contribs) 04:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

EXTRA CREDIT ASSIGNMENT

Andrea Lorenzo's pictures (Matricula: A01182326):

LINK FOR COMMONS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:TorosColeados1.jpg LINK FOR ARTICLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alorenz (talk • contribs) 04:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra credit

Eduardo Juayek Bernal 1102008.

LINK FOR THE ARTCLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cars_in_Mexico#Volkswagen_Sed.C3.A1n LINK TO THE COMMONS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foto-0078.jpg

132.254.101.49 18:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)Greenapple18

Give the photo a better description in wikimedia commons.Thelmadatter 13:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra Credit

Cristina Guerrero Pat 1182322 IIS

LINK

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sor_Juana_Ines_de_la_Cruz_-_Old_House_Amecameca.JPG

Crisp26 22:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You also need to provide a link to the article in which you put this photo.Thelmadatter 13:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra Credit

Daniela Becerril 1101948 Copitas team LINK FOR COMMONS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Gordita1.JPG LINK FOR WIKIPEDIA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordita DanielaB

THIRD PARTIAL BORBOTONES TEAM

THIRD PARTIAL, BORBOTONES TEAM!!

TRANSLATING AN ARTICLE LINKS:

• BOB MEUSEL. WIKIPEDIA THE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA (ENGLISH ARTICLE). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Meusel
• BOB MEUSEL. WIKIPEDIA LA ENCICLOPEDIA LIBRE (SPANISH ARTICLE). http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Meusel

MODIFIED ARTICLE:

• CASTAS. WIKIPEDIA THE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castas

STUB:

• MEXICAN LEGENDS. WIKIPEDIA THE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEXICAN_LEGENDS

I didnt ask you to list your contributions here. Make sure you hand in the portfolio of your contributions and reflective essay today, Mon Oct 29th!Thelmadatter 13:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

EXTRA CREDIT

This are the links to wikipedia commons and wikipedia article Wikipedia commons [[5]] Wikipedia Article [[6]] Echg07 17:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)Echg07

The comment of the picture is in Toluca article

But you need to describe the picture in Wikimedia Commons as well.Thelmadatter 13:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

EXTRA CREDIT

Christian Panchana 1051193

Hi teacher, these are the links: Wikipedia Commons- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hombre_sol.JPG

Wikipedia article- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca%2C_State_of_Mexico#The_CosmovitralChristian Panchana 22:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra credit

Andrea Jaramillo 1101902 The photo I uploaded is Toluca´s Cathedral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catedra.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca%2C_State_of_Mexico#The_Cathedral http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Catedra.jpg Blueapple23 03:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)User:Blueapple23

Check Wikimedia Commons. You to fix the copyright status or the photo will be deletedThelmadatter 13:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Photo

Denisse Reyes 1102629 The photo I uploaded is a typical Mexican ball in a cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Balero_tipico_mexicano.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_in_a_cup Den-dede 04:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You need to give permission to wikipedia to use this image. Thelmadatter 13:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I think now is ok [[7]] Den-dede 04:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Picarones Photograph

Hi Miss, I made a stub of Picarones, a traditional and popular dessert in Perú. I asked my mom to go and take pictures of it and of the picarones mix. I have upload them to the stub. Here are the links.

Picarones Stub page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picarones
Picarones wikicommon link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Picarones.JPG
Picarones stub link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Picaronesdessert.JPG
Picarones mix wikicommom link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Imagen_2.jpg
Picarones mix stub link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Picarones_mix.JPG
Best wishes,
Luis Miguel Rodriguez Doy
1162272

Picture

Hi teacher, I hope you are better, I uploaded an image for The Temple of La Merced, I asked my mentor if I could upload a picture even if it is not required and he told me I could. Thank you.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Facade_Temple_of_La_Merced.jpg

Zyanya Ramírez Olmos Zyasel88 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)Zyasel88Zyasel88 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

EXTRA CREDIT, EDGAR ENCASTIN (A01102118 MEMBER OF BORBOTONES TEAM)

Links of the photograph’s commons:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CAMADEPIEDRA.JPG#Summary
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CARMENTOLUCA.JPG
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TOLUCAPALACIO.JPG
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TOLUCACOSMOVITRAL.JPG

Link to Toluca page where you can find the photographs:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca%2C_State_of_Mexico

EDGAR-ENCASTIN 00:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra Credit, picture

Hi teacher I send you the link of my picture. My picture is View of Whistler from the Cable-car

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler%2C_British_Columbia#See_alsoDiego Callejas 02:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra Credit

Hello teacher I just realized i hadn't written in your talk page....this is the link for the picture I uploaded...it is the Toluca Page and this is the link...my user name is Arezvik....Thank you...Arezvik 15:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S2020102.JPG

Extra Credit (Photo)

Teacher this is the link for the picture I uploaded..TiburoncinMK 17:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galerias_metepec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Galerias_Metepec.JPG

Navigation bar

Image:Calendário Asteca.jpg was deleted from Commons for being unsourced, so your navbar needs a new picture. I was thinking of Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.svg, Image:TOLUCAPALACIO.JPG or Image:ITESM Entrada principal.JPG. Any other ideas? --Geniac 14:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Not sure. None seem too too representative of this campus. Let me let my students decide.Thelmadatter 14:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• There is always Image:Calendario Axteca.png --evrik ^(talk) 16:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Confirmation

Hi teacher I uploaded an image for The Temple of La Merced and you did not include the extra credit for it in my grade, I asked my mentor if I could upload a picture even if it is not required and he told me I could. Thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Facade_Temple_of_La_Merced.jpg Zyanya Ramírez Olmos Zyasel88 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)Zyasel88Zyasel88 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra activity

Hello teacher 2007 Tabasco floodI made my contribution is the one of interestings facts. Den-dede 02:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Another editor has removed your text as being inappropriate to that article. I'm sorry but I agree that it doesn't fit with that article. It does, however, seem to be a useful addition to the Tabasco article which is where I have placed your text. I have made some corrections to the text.

1. "is waiting..." is presumbably a direct translation from the Spanish "está esperando" but this is not colloquial. "is waiting for..." is more better English but still not quite colloquial to express what's really going on. The question here is who is planning the project, who is sponsoring/funding it and who will actually supervise the construction of such a project. Is this a national project or a local/regional project? Is Tabasco awaiting a project being planned, funded and managed by an agency of the national government? If so, "awaiting" or "expecting" are reasonable ways to express this. If, however, Tabasco is the main driver behind this project, then "contemplating", "planning" or "developing" are better ways to express this. I used "contemplating". If this is not the right sense ("sentido" en español) of meaning, then please fix it.
2. In English, "hydraulic" means "having to do with fluids and liquids" and is a very general term. The phrase that we use in English is "hydroelectric power" or just "hydropower". I'm not sure if you would use "explotación" in this context in Spanish, but you would in English.
3. "Intensity of rain" is probably not what you mean here. "Intensity" suggests that you are discussing how much rain falls in a short period of time (hours, days). For hydropower, what you need is total volume of annual rainfall. Well, I'm not an expert in hydropower but that's my personal guess.
4. "is up 3200MW" suggests that the exploitation of hydropower has increased 3200MW ("ha augmentado" en español). The text on the website says "asciende a 3200MW" which translates as "has risen to (a level of) 3200MW". This is an important difference.
5. Acronyms like CONAE should be in all caps. Using upper and lower case as in "Conae" is confusing. Also, the first time you use an acronym in a document, chapter or major section, spell out the acronym. Since this is Wikipedia, use the English translation (National Commission for Energy Conservation).

Hope this helps.

--Richard 17:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Richard. I will still give this student credit since the information can be used in another article.Thelmadatter 17:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Extra activity

Hi teacher, this is the link to the extra assignment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_wildfires#Baja_CaliforniaChristian Panchana 05:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Extra Points

Hi miss, this is the link to the article Baja California we edited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2007_California_wildfires#Baja_California

Alejandra Justiniano Granados 1182325 Cristina Guerrero Pat 1182322

THANKSS!! Crisp26 22:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Final Project_International All Stars

Hi Teacher! This is the link to our Final Project. I hope its OK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amboro_National_Park

THANK YOU! Crisp26 15:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see the note on copyright violations on Crisp26 talk page. ---- Bejnar (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

FROM THE SOUTH

Hi miss! Here is FROM THE SOUTH final project link. We did our best! Thank you for all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amecameca

Extra Activity

Hi miss, the link for the extra credit assignment is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Tabasco_flood#Impact i added the last paragraph about the books damaged

Thanks

Sofia Vargas Sofia Vargas —Preceding comment was added at 21:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Extra Credit

Hi teacher, I uploaded a new section (political consequences) on the 2007 Tabasco flood. I also uploaded the references for the information I put.

Thanks Yacopop (talk) 02:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)Yacopop

Re:Adoption

Can I join in the project you are doing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooncrest (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Two articles on natural disasters need expansion

Hello, I hope that your project is going well. I would like to let you know of two articles that may be of interest. They both need more information added relative to Mexico.

I created 2007 Tabasco flood yesterday. It is currently linked from the Main Page due to the importance of this event, but the article still needs expansion.

Also, the October 2007 California wildfires article includes a brief mention of the fires in Northern Mexico, but this section needs expansion. Could someone please help add information to that part of the article? Best, Johntex\^talk 14:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Students have already chosen their topics but I will give these to them as extra credit assignments. Thelmadatter 15:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Congrats to all students of Thelmadatter!

WOOOO! First barnstar! J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 17:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Another thanks! I don't consider myself to be that deserving of such an honour, but I'll take it. ;) Thanks so much, and a big congratulations to all our budding contributors! Special shout-outs to users like Karenpoket and my Los Pancakes who actually took the time to "ignore all rules" and really did an awesome job in contributing! Thanks again! --Jw21/PenaltyKillah ^{VANucks|12-9-2} 19:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar!

Many thanks for this - I don't think I did nearly enough to deserve it but it's very welcome! I hope your project as a whole went well and that the students got from it the learning they need. Very best wishes - Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 14:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

To abide by the KISS principle, I will just say... ditto! :) --Geniac (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

One good turn deserves another!

Well, the semester went pretty well! So well that over a third of my students increased their TOEFL scores by 20 points or more... very significant! Now comes the good/bad news.... Ive been asked to repeat the course, modified for teachers here at the Tec campus. Oh joy oh joy! Actually, the nice thing is that these are older and (hopefully!) more mature students. They will be working on their contributions to Wikipedia independently, not in groups. Some, however, may be a bit technophobic (despite the fact working at a tech high school/college!). So who wants to mentor again??????Thelmadatter (talk) 17:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That's awesome it went well for you. If you just let people know where to sign up, I'm sure they will in droves again; Wikipedians are, by nature, a giving and helping lot. --Geniac (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I am willing to help, but PLEASE tell your next students to log in, sign their posts, and link to the article or draft that they are working on. Last semester, I pretty much gave up trying to figure out who was asking for help where. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I hear that Appraiser... just one of the many fires I hope to deal with better this time around. I will keep the same mentors page I had before and let people edit their entries (or remove them as the case may be). Mentors pageThelmadatter (talk) 18:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Outcome of the English Advanced B class using WP

Please share your thoughts at WP:SUP talk page, too!-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 21:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

not sure that page gets enough traffic.... Thelmadatter (talk) 19:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

courtesy copy from my talk page

I would like to say that, as an educator, I find your recent comment which states that "it's a bad educator that bans their students from reading Wikipedia"[8] is ignorant, rude, and disrespectful of people who actually know how to teach and have dedicated their lives to doing so. You may revel in amateurism, but professionals can see that this site is a terrible education resource. 1.33% of the Wikipedia is tagged for cleanup alone. It may be interesting as a general trivia site, but it is not something I would permit my students to learn from, whether you call me a 'bad educator' or no. 86.142.48.123 (talk) 16:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I was going to write something here but I was stuck in a meeting this morning for 3 hours *groan* I, too, have to disagree with your statement that Wikipedia should be accepted for schoolwork. You even included the caveat that only articles that are well-cited should be used. What teacher is going to want to analyze every Wikipedia article cited to see if it is acceptable for use? Also, many (if not all) elementary, middle or even high school students would not be able to determine if an article overall has good citations or not. Besides, it is generally accepted that terciary sources are not academically acceptable. I teach my students to use encyclopedias, Wikipedia included, only to begin their research when they have no clue about the topic. Also, there is nothing wrong with chaining to the sources that many entries cite like newspaper articles, books etc but use the information from the original... not the encyclopedia. I write you this as one who uses Wikipedia extensively (see my user page and WP:SUP) for my writing and Advanced EFL classes. Don't throw down the gauntlet to educators... you get the reaction like the one above. However, keep pushing to make Wikipedia better. You are right that students do use it, even if prohibited. Plus, it is proving to be a really excellent way to get students to write and research.Thelmadatter (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The BBC article is entirely misleading about my remarks. My opinion on the proper use of Wikipedia in the educational environment has not changed one bit. I believe that our anonymous teacher, above, would respond as the audience did: strong applause. The key, of course, is to hear what I actually said, rather than this misreporting. I have asked the BBC to run a correction.

I believe that educators whose entire response to Wikipedia is to tell students not to look at it are in fact bad educators. Good teachers will understand that the right approach is to teach students about the weaknessess - and strengths - of Wikipedia. And to caution them that Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for an academic citation, any more than Britannica is. Thelmadatter, I agree absolutely with your remarks about the use of Wikipedia in the classroom, and based on reading what you have said, I suspect we would have to work really hard in a conversation to find any differences in our opinions at all on these matters.  :-) So, I please innocent.--Jimbo Wales 19:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh my god, Jimbo actually talked to you. I'm so envious.

Jimbo, if you're watching, I made the template they use! WLU (talk) 19:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

ha ha ha WLU...dont worry... even if Jimbo doesnt acknowledge that you rock, you will always have my undying adoration! Have you seen that a class for teachers at my school and Advanced A will be working with Wikipedia in the spring? See Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca so I will need your help!Thelmadatter 20:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I notice changes to various pages, but only really look into things when someone asks me a question. But, if you need help, I'm pleased to offer my services as always. WLU (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Project page labeling

If the students would add {{EducationalAssignment|date=YYYY-MM-DD|link=Wikipedia:School and university projects#ITESM Campus Toluca - Advanced English (Ongoing)}} to the top of the Talk page of their article, other editors would be more aware of the reason for the high activity on the page. Thanks. -- SEWilco (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I will instruct my students to do just that when the semester starts up again in JanuaryThelmadatter (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter tip?

If you'd like mention of your successes in the Wikipedia Signpost, you could describe it at the Tip Line for consideration. -- SEWilco (talk) 00:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

finding an old page

Need a favor... when my class started working on the Mexico State page (as it is now called) it was called México (state) and had only information from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britanica. However, when I got into the page's history I cant get to that version. Looks like there were two pages with two different names that got merged. Does that version no longer exist? Thelmadatter (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure but perhaps this is the revision that you are looking for. If not, you will have to look through the page history of Mexico State to find the specific revision that you are looking for.

As to what happened, this is probably more than you want to know but...

1. When you try to visit the México (state) article, you are redirected to Mexico State
2. However, the reason for this is that México (state) was moved to State of Mexico on October 6
3. How would you determine this? When you visit México (state) and get redirected to Mexico State, there is a notice of the redirect that says "(Redirected from México (state))". If you click on the wikilink in the above notice, you are brought to the title México (state). If you now click on the "History" tab, it will tell you that User:GTBacchus performed the move on October 6.
4. And therefore, all the page history for México (state) was also moved to State of Mexico
5. If you look at the page history of State of Mexico, you will see that it was moved to Mexico (state) on December 6 by User:GTBacchus
6. And therefore, all the page history for State of Mexico was also moved to Mexico State
7. If you go to Mexico State and click on "History", you should be able to find the version you want sometime before October 6.

I know the above is a lot of extra detail that you don't necessarily need to know right now but I thought it would be useful if you understood how to noodle this out for yourself. (teaching you to fish rather than giving you the fish).

Best regards,

Richard

Hi, Thelmadatter

Sorry for disappearing. My work load increased, and I everything else in my life had to be put on hold. How did the semester worked out? --Hugo Estrada (talk) 11:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

dont worry... welcome back! Actually, the semester went pretty darn well. Well enough that I am doing a similar class in January for teachers here at Tec. However, this time around I will have students start contributing much sooner than I did last semester.... everyone got pretty antsy waiting to get started for so long! Check out my project page (in my navigation bar) to see what I have planned for the teachers' course and Advanced A (no Advanced B in the spring).Thelmadatter (talk) 14:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Belated Reply

I am responding to your August 2007 inquiry about my university/education project. We will be running it again in Spring 2008. I will update the projects page accordingly. Sorry for the belated reply. --LMCinHK (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Good to know!Thelmadatter (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite

yes JW 21... but actually I was looking to find the category page that list all the lousy articles that need to be rewritten, which I have done. As lousy as my talk page might be, I doubt anyone, including me, wants to rewrite it! :D Thelmadatter (talk) 17:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Im working to develop a kind of "cheat sheet" where the headings, reference list and other coding is already set up. Students could take the cheat sheet and use it to create pages and get started contributing to Wikipedia faster. I noticed that waiting almost 2 months before students really start putting anything up on Wikipedia in Advanced B, despite the fact that "getting integrated and familiar with the community's standards" was part of the course, was really too long. For Advanced A, I wont have any time to get them familiar with all of Wikipedia's policies. I know Alixb and Hugo Estrada are interested in developing the pages for all the towns/cities in Mexico. Here's the idea I have (I dont know how to make the codes NOT do what they are supposed to do, so you may have to look at the section below in edit mode to see what I wrote for my students in MS Word)

The coding for an infobox could be added to this sheet but the idea here is to get students contributing as quickly and easily as possible and still keep in guidelines. It could also work to standardize a bit more how these kinds of articles are written. Other cheat sheets could be devised for biographies, movies etc. Whaddya think?

---

I have moved the actual outline to Template:Mexican municipality. This template should be used with substitution as in {{subst:Mexican municipality}}. We will have to work on adding an infobox and maybe providing some parameters to the template.

This is the sort of thing that should be discussed with WP:MEXICO. I think one of the instructors offered to help with infoboxes but we demurred suggesting that the focus should be on writing English not building infoboxes. Now is the time to take him up on his offer.

For an example of how this template would work eventually, look at Template:SCOTUS-case. Then create a new article in userspace using the following line...

{{subst:SCOTUS-case|Wooley v. Maynard|430|705|1977|held that New Hampshire could not constitutionally require citizens to display the state motto upon their vehicle license plates}}

If you put everything starting with the {{ and }} on a new page and hit "Show preview", you will see that an entire article outline is provided for the SCOTUS case.

Look at Wooley v. Maynard to see the actual outline that the template generated.

--Richard 22:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good, we should definately discuss it and get a template expert here! Alixb 23:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

As I stated on the WP:MEXICO talk page, Richard is a Wikipedia god! hee hee hee I had no idea such an idea existed before, but this should be very helpful. I dont quite understand what you mean by "This template should be used with substitution as in {{subst:Mexican municipality}}. ", however.

On a personal note, Im in Veracruz this weekend attending a MexTESOL conference (for English teachers in Mexico)... sun, sand, sea, 85F/28C temps.....ah the sacrifices I make for my students!!!! Thelmadatter 00:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Students gearing up to work with Wikipedia

I dont know if I will have time to contact those on my list of mentors, so Im hoping most of you guys have this page on your watchlist. A course for teachers at my school, based on Wikipedia begins on Monday Jan 28. I will very shortly put a list of projects they will need to do at Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Syllabus and a list of student userpages as soon as possible. These students will not be working in groups.

I would really appreciate mentor help with these students, not only for the authenticity of the Wikipedia experience but I need to confirm some comments that my Advanced B students made last semester. I receive several negative comments and no positive comments about working with mentors. Most of the negative comments were that mentors never answered or gave any real help. Now I dont know if that is accurate or if students were asking mentors to practically write their articles for them. I would like to see what more mature adults have to say about working with more seasoned Wikipedians.

Advanced A will do a 3-day mini-project in Wikipedia, using the town article "cheat sheet" template I developed Template:Mexican_municipality. These students will be working in groups but considering the brief duration of this mini-project, I will simply have each student create an account and upload a portion of the article the group creates. I dont think it will be practical or necessary to elict help from mentors for these guys. ****

FritzBot and ongoing attempt to document Mexican municipalities

There is a lively discussion about the proposal to have a bot create articles for all of the worlds documented towns and villages, see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot. There are already a LOT of responses on this page and I have only scanned the various comments. This may affect my use of Wikipedia for my English classes as such a bot would create a ton of articles about Mexican towns and villages... whether such have municipal status or not. If such bot does go forward and do this, I would really like to see some kind of consensus about whether to combine town/municipality articles or not. After struggling with the issue and with my students, I really do think that in most cases, especially dealing with central and southern Mexico (which I am more familiar with), combining the two is the most logical choice, as for many, either the town is the only community of any real size (like most cases in Oaxaca) or conversely, the city and the municipality are co-extensive. As for naming convention, naming such combined articles seems to be best done under the town/village's name (most have the same name, at least partially but where the are different, the city name would be more distinctive in most cases... and the bot is going to create a page with the town/village's full name anyway. For towns/municipalities that have the same common name (like Atizapán or Acatlán), disambiguation pages will serve.

Another issue is standardizing infoboxes... I would like to see one for towns with municipal status and towns/villages without such. Ive made a first attempt at such at the Acambay, Mexico State page, though you will have to see it in edit mode to see all the information I think needs to be in there. I have not created one for non-municipal towns/villages but such should include a line stating which municipality it belongs to.

I am posting similar messages to Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes and Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico.Thelmadatter (talk) 14:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Operation COOKIE MONSTER

In support of Operation COOKIE MONSTER (OCM) I'm presenting WikiCookies in appreciation for military service to the United States. Happy Independence Day! Ndunruh (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

I'm so sorry I didn't help you. I was caught up with school work myself.Mooncrest (talk) 00:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I added my name to the mentors if that all right with you.Mooncrest (talk) 00:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll help out a bit and let you know if I'm busy. Is there anything I can help you with?Mooncrest (talk) 01:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:SUP - move, not delete?

I'd suggest that instead of deleting, you move the comment to past/proposed projects or talk.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Its already there.Thelmadatter (talk) 17:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Domingo's statue

Thanks, man. You can e-mail to me at ....... When I uploaded the photo, I will put your name as the photographer. - Jay (talk) 14:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I have uploaded the photos Image:Domingo Statue2.jpg and Image:Domingo Statue1.jpg in Plácido Domingo's article. Thanks again for your help. I credited both photos to you as the photographer. - Jay (talk) 15:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox help needed

{{helpme}}

I have put up (new) infoboxes for all the articles that exist that link from Municipalities of Mexico State. However, I want both the population figure for the municipality and the town/city to appear in the infobox. The information is in there but does not appear on the article. For example the article for Acambay. I know I need to do something with the code but I cant figure out what.Thelmadatter (talk) 16:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Isn't the town listed at the very top of the box? What info for the Acambay article is missing in the box? Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 17:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

If you look at the article in edit mode and scroll down a little, you will see that I have put in two population figures.. one for the municipality (the area the town is govermentally responsible for) and one for the town, itself. I would like both to appear and clearly labeled to show which is which. Thelmadatter (talk) 17:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I see:

Population (2005)Municipality

- Municipality 56,847

- Seat 3,724

Is this not what you want? :-) Stwalkerster [ talk ] 17:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Huh... yes it is... someone fixed the first municipality of the list but not the rest... sorry! Ill work on the rest.Thelmadatter (talk) 17:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Humboldt picture

The information below the image HumboldtHouseDF.JPG in the article about Alexander von Humboldt reads: House were Alexander von Humboldt lived in Mexico City in 1863, located at 80 Rep. de Uruguay[...].
Humboldt certainly did not live there in 1863 as he was already dead at that time. The correct year would certainly be 1803, when he stayed in Mexico City for about 9 months.
(Jens) --87.78.167.187 (talk) 14:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Tolantongo

The Commons is the preferred place for image galleries. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 01:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't quite understand... is it possible to translate articles for leisure? If so, how? Please reply here. --Muzekal Mike (talk) 01:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Two more problems. I've created my user page on Spanish Wikipedia. For one, I would like for you to proofread it for me here and let me know of any grammar mistakes. Also, they are not linked with a "languages" box at the left of the page! I need to know how to do that. Ayuda, por favor! --Michael Muzek (talk) 01:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, language box problem under control. --Michael Muzek (talk) 02:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Mexican municipalities and towns

Hi. Myself and User:Aille are currently working through Mexican municipalities and their seats and starting them like Canatlán. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico/State templates for the templates we've created. It would be great if you could join our little project and help get all municipalities and towns up and running using the "Enciclopedia de municipios". So far I've reached Durango state Count Blofeld 11:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes for some of the states particularly if the municipalities are smaller I think its best to combine them, well initially anyway. Main priority though is to get them up and running so we have an article on every municipality/town. I've done a fair bit of work on Salvador too with infoboxes but the rest of Central America, and well Latin America as a whole from Mexico down to Chile needs a lot of work also. I;ve translated numerous articles from Spanish wikipedia like Tenerife and expanded Xalapa from the Enciclopedia but I'm not completely fluent although have a good understanding of it Count Blofeld 17:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to add the towns to Template:Mexico State like I've done with Template:Chiapas

Excellent. Perhaps you could add the pinmaps and municipal locators to the infoboxes? Count Blofeld 19:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Municipios

Thanks for the message, and the tips on sources. I take the point about a lot of the EdoMex's municipalities (particularly the conurbated ones) being coextensive with the cabeceras. And even for the bigger ones (Dgo, Chih, Coah...), there's the point about whether it's worthwhile to have two mutually reinforcing stubs: "name is a municipality in..." & "name is a town in the municipality of..." -- it's a major event when you find a muni article that actually has more than one "settlement in it" article (tho' it did happen to me last night down in Campeche). One tries to reassure oneself that what we're doing is articulating a framework from which future articles will hang, but even so... although the gaps are discouraging, the quality of a lot of the existing articles is even more. I was wary of touching the EdoMex, but looking at the template there above, it doesn't look so bad: half done, or thereabouts. Nomenclature is another problem (formal city names with "de Fulano de Tal" that are never used in real life, etc.), but extensive preemptive redirects can take of that. See you around the municipalities, then. Aille (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with Oaxaca. Naturally with a gigantic 571 municipalities we will not want to be having seperate articles on the towns and munics. I can't really imagine 1142 links in the infobox anyway. Oaxaca is a perfect example of where it is sensible to merge them Count Blofeld 23:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Care to fill out:

I;ve placed them ready seehere. Just need to delete the doubles and format it. I'll default set it at collapsed ready as it will be considerably larger than the others when completed Count Blofeld 23:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

RFC

I've seen you active on Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico, and would like you comments on this proposal to create a standard naming scheme for Mexican municipalities and cities.  LinguistAtLarge  00:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Alamo

Hi Thelma, I left a reply for you on my talk page but finally realized that you might not have noticed that. I have email enabled through Wikipedia, so feel free to send any scanned pages that you find that way. I really appreciate your help! I was also browsing DYK today and was so pleased to see that you've expanded Agustin I of Mexico - I've been feeling sad for that article for a while but hadn't had the motivation to work on it yet. Karanacs (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Nominate that for GA...

Incredible work on 1985 Mexico City earthquake, it's well past GA criteria, nominate it at good article nominations, please. Also, would you be interested in joining WikiProject Earthquakes? —Ceran ♦ ♦ (speak) 21:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Mexico City Metropolitan Cathedral

I am not criticising you, I am criticising the article. There is a big difference. As a reviewer or reader I'm uninterested in who contributed to it; the article has been put up for GAC and you should expect constructive criticism. As well as my review comments, I corrected a great many spelling mistakes and grammatical faults and I'm not even half-way through. The article as it stands is most certainly not worthy of GA status, but if you and other editors are willing to correct these problems then it may well qualify.

You don't need to put references on the end of each line, but you do need to make sure you include references that work. Reference 6, does not. I haven't checked all the other references because there are so many issues with the article in general. If I were you, I'd have a look at a few featured articles from the front page and try to integrate the formatting there into this article. For instance, the Frank Zappa article uses the plain citation tag throughout. The MoS says not to mix the two templates, as the results are formatted inconsistently.

I'm sorry if you don't like articles to which you have contributed being criticised, but you should remember - "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." This is written on the edit page of every article. I have edited plenty of articles myself, and have helped a few along to GA status, and one to FAC (recently TFA). Check my user page to see which - then look at the history of some of those articles. You'll see some quite merciless criticism in the reviews. You should remember that the people reading the article will not be able to assume anything, as an editor who contributed would - they don't have the expert knowledge. My role as a reviewer is to point that out. The article should be accessible for anyone. Parrot of Doom (talk) 16:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I'm 95% happy with the article now. If you could just address the remaining issues, I'll pass the article immediately. Parrot of Doom (talk) 02:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank-you. I'm sorry we got off to a bad start, but I was impressed by the speed with which you worked on my requests - you're obviously a keen wikipedian (as am I). I hope the process hasn't put you off, my first GA nomination was rejected out of hand in less than a day! I had a search on Google Book search for the cathedral and found quite a few references you may be interested in. I include them in my articles where relevant, I reference them as a book (although some of the sources I've used have been over 200 years old!). It may well be worth a look around. Parrot of Doom (talk) 00:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I know the feeling, don't worry about it. Look at me, I made a stupid mistake on that citations business. I must have brain fade, I've been doing a hell of a lot of editing lately :) Best of luck with future articles, and I hope to see that Cathedral article on the TFA section of the front page one day. Parrot of Doom (talk) 01:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Good articles

Seriously mate complaining to Jimbo Wales is about the least effective thing you can do about it. Speaking to Jimbo about encyclopedic content is about as useless as tits on a boar's head, to put it mildly. He rarely bothers responding or seems to show any interest to anything content related, except some controversial article but will happily answer to complaints about "rogue admin" etc. Yes often it does seem like nit-picking FA articles in particular you'll be astounded by how fussy people are over it. As I've said before there are thousands upon thousands of "good" B class articles but have minor issues which prevent them from being a GA. The best thing you can do is stick with it and look at the notes of the reviewer or conduct a peer review to get some feedback. Count Blofeld 17:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'd recommend reading Wikipedia:Good article criteria and talking on related pages. Also you could create an essay yourself on the subject if you would like to help other editors like yourself you are finding it frustrating developing articles. In general I'd discuss something at the Wikipedia:Village pump. Best of luck! Count Blofeld 10:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. on a quick glance Valley of Mexico looks an excellent start and I'm pretty sure it could pass GA with a bit of editing. If you need any help (having 41 GAs myself) let me know! I can look into it later if you like. The main problem initially I see is often you don't reference important claims in the article. Some of the lesser important sentences are referenced but some of the major claims you make are not backed up. Imagine you are a random reader. Think about it from another point of view. What would constitute an authoritive encyclopedia article. If there are important claims (as I've added cite tags to in the article) how do I go about making this seem accurate and verifiable to the reader and to improve its integrity? Count Blofeld 10:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC) Count Blofeld 10:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes with GAs and FAs the writing might be even be brilliant but if it has some strong claims unreferenced or some minor MOS problems it will fail straight away. I know of many B class articles which in terms of content are superb but are failing in references and MOS problems which means that they ar enot even GA. You don't have to cite every single sentence but those which are solid facts or are strong claims would need to be sound with references. As I said think Verification. The reader needs to be assured that what they are reading is completely accurate and if they come across important information they need to check the source. Thats the beauty of wikipedia in that people can slag us off for being unreliable but if articles have many sources and references that can instantly be verified we become more of a platform for recirculating existing information rather than a primary source of doubt. This is why references are extremely important to this encyclopedia to make it more credible and avoid original research. Once you become accustomed with what is required you can let your writing do the talking and the GAs will soon come naturally. Expect a few knock backs along the way, I also hate criticism but try to utilise the negative feedback that others may give and turn it into ways you can increase your standard of writing, thats what I do. Keep up the good work, especially glad it is Mexican related given the inadequacy that currently exists on Mexican subjects. 10:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Count Blofeld

Congrats on the cathedral article. One thing the reviewer missed though is that without a doubt a citation needs to support the claim "the largest organ in the Americas". Anything strong like that needs backing up. ANyway both articles sound good, I'd go with Valley of Mexico first. I can read it later if you like and make any copy edits or suggestions The Bald One ^{White cat} 10:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Excellent I'll pay the hydrology section a visit tomorrow but as I said it looked alright from what I saw. One thing, yesterday I started the Template:Mexican Federal Highways. Could you try to expand them? They don't have to be GAs but any sources you can find to prove their worth would be good, I had a hard time last might explaining to a new page patroller that they are national highways and clearly of note The Bald One ^{White cat} 23:19, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Miguel Hidalgo

Opps, I must have done that by accident. I was trying to rv something an IP had but must have pressed the rollback button instead. Sorry about that.    World   ^tcs 17:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Hello Thelmadatter! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from The Bald One ^{White cat} 11:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Desierto de los Leones National Park

Hello! Your submission of Desierto de los Leones National Park at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Shubinator (talk) 00:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Valley of Mexico

Please read the comments and address them on Talk:Valley of Mexico. Thanks Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I see you've just edited the "Pollution" section", and it's better. However I can see how to re-phrase it, making both shorter and clearer. I notice that you are an English-as-second-language instructor, but this may be one of the times where you need help from a native speaker who is also a good writer. Do you have one you can ask to help, or would you like me to see if I can find one? --Philcha (talk) 09:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I am very sorry to hear that circumstances prevent you from working on this article in the near future. Apart from the need make "Pollution" and "Hydrology" more concise (pretty much done for "Pollution"), most of the issues are minor and IMO could be cleared up fairly quickly. I hope your difficulties are quickly resolved and that you will re-submit the article after fixing the issues. In that case I'm sure it will quickly pass as a GA. Thanks for the work you have already put into it, and for producing such an interesting and varied article. Best wishes, --Philcha (talk) 09:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

A Quick Question about Translation =

I've left a comment on your DYK nomination here. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 19:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Did You Know nomination

I notice that you placed a suggestion for San Ildefonso College on the recent additions page. That's where articles that have already appeared on the main page get archived. I moved the suggestion to the correct place Template talk:Did you know. Please place future suggests there. Royalbroil 01:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Name of [[Academy of San Carlos]

Hi there, I left a note on the talk page for Academy of San Carlos concerning what the correct (and current) name of the institution is. You might have the answer. :) Thanks! — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  16:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Valle de Chalco

Hello! I believe the redirect from Valle de Chalco Solidaridad to Xico should be removed. I lived in Valle de Chalco for approximately five years, and absolutely NO ONE refers to it as Xico. In fact, if you say you live in Xico, and unless you are replying to a question about exactly where in Valle de Chalco you live, the assumption will be that you live in the town of Xico in the state of Veracruz. And even then, you are more likely to give the name of your colonia than just say "Xico." You will also note that, in Spanish Wikipedia, Valle de Chalco Solidaridad has its own article, with no redirect to Xico.

I went ahead and wrote a new article on Valle de Chalco. The reason I did this is because an administrator explained that your redirect could not be removed. However, you've got some great stuff in your article. Not only that, but it's silly to have "dueling articles." Would you be open to removing the redirect and combining the info from the two articles? Thanks. Escuincla (talk) 14:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I went ahead and changed the Valle de Chalco Solidaridad redirect to Valle de Chalco. Once I finish gleaning info from your Xico article, I'll redirect that, too, to Valle de Chalco. I only just started, three days ago, contributing to Wikipedia. (Has it really been only three days???!!!). But I'm already an addict. Since I lived in Mexico (D.F. and Irapuato, Gto.) for almost ten years, yes, I hope to continue contributing to the Mexico Project. Escuincla (talk) 21:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Municipalities of Mexico

No, where possible I am actually responsible for merging articles on towns and municipalities into one article. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 08:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Librería Hermanos Porrúa (Porrúa Brothers Bookstore)

Hi Thelmadatter. I think it'd be better if this article had a simpler title, either Librería Porrúa or Editorial Porrúa — these are both registered sociedad anónima company names, I don't think they need disambiguating or translating in the title.

Also depends on whether separate articles are desirable for the bookselling arm, and the publishing arm. I think, at this stage, we could probably combine info on these in the same article - would you agree? And if so, which do we put it under — I'd suggest the publishing arm as that would be more often linked to, but either really would work. Saludos, --cjllw ʘ TALK 02:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire

Any chance you could rewrite and reference this? It is a really important article and is pretty poor at present. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Did You Know question

Hello! Your submission of Tlaxcala at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Art LaPella (talk) 06:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

reviewing for 25 dyk award

Hi, I am reviewing your talk page for the 25 dyk award, and noticed your handy User talk:Thelmadatter/DYKArchives page. But when I look through your talk page history, they seem to be missing. Did you delete them from your talk page when you moved them to the separate page? dm (talk) 16:54, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Autoreviewer

Thanks for the decent articles you've been writing, you're now an autoreviewer. --Closedmouth (talk) 03:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

wp:autoreviewer --Closedmouth (talk) 03:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you

		The Barnstar of High Culture
		For your efforts creating and improving Historic center of Mexico City-related articles which provide a great amount of cultural and historical information to the project. TheMexicanGentleman (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Barrios and Pulque

I'm glad to see that you got your hands on Barrios as a source for the Pulque article. Too bad it's no longer in print. Those sites you used are obviously modeled after Barrios. A lot has been lost during the repeated generations of plagerism. I was going to add her as a reference and begin to clean it up but it looks like you beat me to it. Let me also recommend Alfonso Caso's "The Aztecs - People of the Sun" page 48 as a description of the pulque gods. Senor Cuete (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)Senor Cuete

Generally in Wikipedia the web sites would be put in an external links section and the books like Barrios and Caso would be in a references section. Caso's sources aren't always sited but generally they are probably the Florentine (Sahagun) Codex and the Codex Bourbunicus. Senor Cuete (talk) 19:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)Senor Cuete

DYK nom for Santa Muerte

Your article still has a chance. Please join the discussion here. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Santa Muerte

Hey Thelmadatter, you nominated that article for DYK a while ago and as Victuallers (talk · contribs) brought up, I believe that this would make a great Halloween hook. Any objection?--Giants27(c|s) 21:56, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

An award

An award for your great work on Mexican articles, some of your recent work on Pachuca and Santa Muerte in particular is a big improvement!.. Keep up the good work! Himalayan 23:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Now if we could get every municipal article of Mexico looking like Pachuca! Himalayan 23:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words about my photos. Nope, although I have a keen interest in the Himalayas (and Mexico) I live in Barry, Vale of Glamorgan on the coast of south Wales... Himalayan 15:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, uh thankyou... Yes I try to cover as many topics as I can. Mexico needs the work so keep it up! Himalayan 10:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

How are the classes?

I saw your comment on Himalayan Explorer's talk page, and remembered your classes. He is an astroundingly productive editor, actually, and is probably doing more to enhance the coverage of the underdeveloped parts of the world than anyone else. Honestly, he's scary. But, if you do have any class projects coming up, and you think I might be able to help, let me know. Particularly if it has anything to do with philosophy, mythology, or religion, which are basically my fields of greatest knowledge, such as it is. John Carter (talk) 01:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Curiosity. What exactly would you mean by "Mexican" mythology? Presumably something other than the major Aztec, etc.? If you want, I think there might be some material around here on more recent mythology, but I'd have to check. If you think I could help, though, let me know. Aztec mythology was really unusual though. Particularly the incarnation of I think Quetzalcoatl who, if I remember right, walked the streets at night and had his chest open and close, showing no heart, to the sound of thunder. I read that about 20 years ago now, and it still creeps me out. John Carter (talk) 02:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Puerto Escondido OAX

Hola! Oaxaca is probably my favorite state, although Michoacán and Chiapas are nice too. As for Puerto, I fear that it will forever be changed once the "freeway" from Oaxaca city is completed, but until then its still heaven on earth :-)

I recently added a panoramic photo of the Playa Principal, although I'm not so sure how well it fits in with where I placed it (no where seems quite right). --Nsaum75 (talk) 09:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I have a small apartment in Oaxaca city near el Centro. Continental has a weekly direct flight from Oaxaca/Xoxocotlán airport to Houston, so it makes travel between OAX and Texas easy -- if you don't mind flying in a coffin with wings! Have you been to the beaches around the Parque Nacional Lagunas de Chacahua, west of Puerto? Absolutely beautiful -- and untouched. If you have seen the movie Y tu mamá también -- the beach scenes were filmed near the Chacahua. --Nsaum75 (talk) 09:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Veracruz, Veracruz

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Tres países

I'm a freelance photo journalist, but I also make money teaching and tutoring university students in English; You meet some of the most amazing people this way, and have some interesting adventures too! --nsaum75 ^¡שיחת! 02:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

WP Proj Mexico assistance.

I believe I can help a lot assisting in c/e on Querétaro,_Querétaro. I don't believe there is need for a complete rewrite, as the article is already B-Class. > RUL3R^>trolling_>vandalism 21:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

HAHAHA, I'm sorry, I couldn't help it, "dismother" sounds quite Mexican hahaha. Anyway, back to Querétaro. I think the article would do better if it was modeled after another FA for a city, such as Manchester. The main issue with Mexican cities is not exactly the lack of sources, but the lack of sources in english. And sometimes translation of available sources does not help very much. Anyway, I would be glad to help c/e and complements. Perhaps it is better to copy the article (or sections of it) into one of our user namespaces for any changes we make. > RUL3R^>trolling_>vandalism 00:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, "dismother" is no english word haha, you must know that already. The closest english translation could be "quite f****d up", but "messy" would do for a sufficient one. As for the article, I just copied it in my namespace at User:RUL3R/Qro, to edit without incurring in conflicts in the article namespace, and so discussion is less messy. > RUL3R^>trolling_>vandalism 01:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK question

Hello! Your submission of Beer in Mexico at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Sasata (talk) 20:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Boudin

Mmm The boudin balls are made from a rice and pork mixture, which is then rolled in a cornmeal batter and then deep fried. They're really good!! I want to work on expanding some Mexican cuisine articles soon; I would really like to help break down the misconception that Mexican cuisine is all tacos, enchaladas and refried beans. LOL.. nsaum75 ^¡שיחת! 04:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

My talk page was the target of a "battle" a couple of days ago, and somehow your last message got lost in the midst of several editors trying to revert the works of a persistent vandal. Anyhow, my apologies for the tardy reply. I would love to meet up, however I will be in Israel during the latter part of December and first part of January. Perhaps another time...or some time when I swing through Mexico City? --nsaum75 ^¡שיחת! 02:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Greetings y Feliz Año Nuevo!! My internet is currently limited here, so I am not able to contribute to the Beer in Mexico article as much as I would like, however when I return in a few days, I'll see what I can add. I am still firmly against summarily deleting content just because the source is not the best -- rather I think room should be left for expansion and improvement of the source (as I noted in my comment on the Beer page). There are articles on celebrities based on friggin MySpace and YouTube fan pages -- and I certainly think a beer festival website is much more reputable than something run by a 15 year old.

Alas, the source-issues raised by Ronz are similar to ones I run into all the time in regards to Israeli/Arab/Middle Eastern cuisine -- lack of English sources and those that do exist are sometimes questionable in nature and/or political/promotional. For instance, Hummus has been repeatedly placed under protection due to edit warring over the use of the word "Israel" in the article. Some editors try to replace the word "Israel" with "Zionist Entity" or insert material sourced from "political newsletters" that state "Israeli solders make Palestinians drink urine and dance while singing about Hummus."... I mean, its insane... its friggin food! Anyhow, sorry to ramble. I'll check for more sources and hopefully be able to contribute more when I get back from my trip.

Hasta! -nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 23:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK change =

The 5x expansion results in obscure, new articles qualifying but expanded articles not qualifying. Let's change it to 5x or 3x if there is significant, quality expansion of a stub. I don't have time to lobby and campaign so feel free to start a talk page discussion and I authorise you to cut and paste this comment in up to three times. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:33, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

An alternative way for recognition for article expansion is GA (good article). Believe me, it is not an easy process. Took me 2 months of work to get an article to GA, maybe a week if you work on it daily for a few hours. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 16:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Bad ass

It is just more fun to edit as Blofeld the Bald. At times the site need sparking up, the Blofeld persona was always to provide some sort of humour or light heartedness! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Now I wonder how long it will take to get all of the municipalities of Mexico to read like Tzintzuntzan, Michoacán! I still have to finish starting them all of course.... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure I'll look. I just created some new starter articles on Julio Ruelas and Leandro Izaguirre. You are probably too busy though!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Tell me about it! I have a book on the history of Nepal from around 1877 and boy or boy dies it waffle for Great Britain. It goes on and on and makes it exceedingly difficult to extract the main encyclopedic points!!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Chocolate

Hola Amiga! I had started to create an article on Chocolate Mayordomo, when I started thinking perhaps an article on chocolate in Mexico would be a good idea. We are the birthplace of chocolate, and unlike the rest of the world, Mexico uses chocolate in all kinds of savory dishes. Anyhow, before I moved forward, I wanted to "poll" some members and see what their general feelings might be towards such an article. Cheers! --nsaum75 ^¡שיחת! 02:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Villages

I noticed you've been updating/expanding several of the Oaxacan village articles; If you need any photos for them, just let me know. If I don't already have something on file, its easy enough for me to go take one. Hasta! --nsaum75 ^¡שיחת! 05:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Beer in Mexico

I appreciate that someone with your skills is helping with Wikipedia. Sorry that my comments were repetitious, but I first wanted it to be clear what I thought of each source. At this point, I think it might be better to focus on the general discussion above the list of sources, identifying what aspects of WP:RS and WP:SELFPUB (and any other relevant policy/guideline) apply and how closely they should be followed. My intention is to clean up the poorly-written beer-related articles that are regularly targeted by spammers. --Ronz (talk) 06:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Puerto Ángel

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Thanks

First that all: Happy New Year!. Thank you very much about the photos of Rotunda of Illustrious Persons. I have already used all of them in each biographical article at Spanish Wikipedia. Let me tell you that in the official website, they forgot Césareo Castro biography, but you did not miss that photo. Well, I still need to create 18 articles in order to use all your photos, if I have the time of course. I do not visit the English Wikipedia frequently, if you need something you can write me into my userpage at Spanish Wikpedia. Best Regards. --Jaontiveros (talk) 20:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hospital del Divino Salvador

Greetings amigo. Can you translate and reference this? Somebody dumped it upon us in Spanish... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Santa María Tonameca

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DYK nomination of Pulque

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• Although I disagree with you about the hook for this DYK, I will provide you with the cite for the underlying journal article that prompted the newspaper article to which this hook was cited:

Fernández, Rodolfo (2006). "El uso de material fecal en la fermentación de bebidas alcohólicas" (PDF). Diario de Campo (in Spanish). Mexico City: Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia: 80–85. Retrieved 2009-09-13. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help).

I don't object to such information appearing in the article itself, just to using it as a DYK hook. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Plaza Garibaldi

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DYK: Chapultepec Aqueduct

Hi. I've nominated Chapultepec Aqueduct, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on November 13, where you can improve it if you see fit. If you have more refs, please add them to the article, too. Thanks, PFHLai (talk) 17:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, Thelmadatter. Put in more if you like, but length-wise, all you need is 1500 characters to qualify for DYK. Chapultepec Aqueduct has more than 2500. Happy editing! Cheers! :-) --PFHLai (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tzintzuntzan, Michoacán

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Mexico's Cathedral

Hello, You recently removed my edit from Mexico_City_Metropolitan_Cathedral where I clarified that Mexico's City is NOT the oldest cathedral in the Americas, but Merida's City is. This fact is easily verified but if you want me to provide citations I will. Megafonico (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC).

Pizza

I see you've spent some time in Malinalco -- if you miss pizza, I strongly recommend you try a little pizza place in Mali in the street below the plaza, next to the little supermercado. Lupita, a delightful güerita, makes the finest Italian pizza outside of Italy. Saludos! 189.208.17.51 (talk) 00:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Editing

You noted:

Saw your edits on a couple of pages Ive worked on... I sure dont mind someone who can dot i's and cross t's better than I can! :D Saw your userpage... weird. Dont let the idiots get you down.Thelmadatter (talk) 01:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey, niggling little edits are where it's at, no? I only wish I had time to thrash all the articles here into better shape. But [beginning a sentence with a conjunction!] I do wish people didn't get so outraged/defensive/territorial. Such is human nature, I guess.

--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 20:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

enero 2010

@Nsaum75:

Photos Rotonda de las Personas Ilustres

Hi again. I have already written the last articles about that topic. So, the only missing photos are: Leandro Valle, Sóstenes Rocha, Calixto Bravo; and Ignacio Mejía, but don't worry about the last one, because his body is lost, as well as his thomb. Best regards --Jaontiveros (talk) 02:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrestling

I cannot deny that I do like wrestling, especially the Lucha Libre of Mexico :) and thank you for the suggestion I defninitly will remember to do that.  MPJ-DK  (59,25% Done) Talk  17:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I got various books and articles on the history of Arena Mexico, I did not know there was a stub article for it. I'll definitly see what I can do with it.  MPJ-DK  (59,25% Done) Talk  17:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I expanded Arena México, I think that's about as good as it'll get without information on the Boxing events, which I can't find right now.  MPJ-DK  (59,25% Done) Talk  11:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Well it was a general sport complex as well, but the owner, Salvador Lutteroth was a wrestling promoter primarly but also promoted boxing so I'm not surprised it was used for Boxing right away, but it was built to accomodate the increasing crowds for wrestling - it doesn't conflict IMO but it definitly needs adding, I'll have a look at it.  MPJ -DK  20:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Treaty of Ciudad Juarez

Hi, thanks for your suggestions. I've replied on my talk page. Also if you're interested or can help with Mexican Revolution articles, I've started trying to organize the topic here [9] (maybe making it a task force eventually).radek (talk) 05:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Question about climate classification

One place where you could look is here: http://www.hydrol-earth-syst-sci.net/11/1633/2007/hess-11-1633-2007.pdf. It is very accurate on climate types under Koppen's classification. It also has info on the various climate types. Unfortunately, I do not know of any in Spanish. Hope this is of some use. G. Capo (talk) 23:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page

No, I live in Delaware. – ukexpat (talk) 01:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

thanks

and thanks for adding the articles to Project Mexico. I added the other ones I've been working on as well.radek (talk) 00:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I was just way tired and didn't complete my crossing of t's and dotting of i's. I do however like the original hook better (though it's a bit tabloid-y). But either one is fine with me. I also stubbed this: Santa María Ahuacatitlán recently. I was hoping to get done with the Mexican Revolution (or at least a part of it) soon but it's a kind of topic that telescopes on you - the more you do, the more you realize how much more there is to do.radek (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

x5

Well the articles appears to be virtually 7 x longer in bytes. I personally wouldn't see a problem with it but DYk hookers pick up on anything these days... You could try it see what they say.. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 19:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for replying so late. I would go ahead and try to submit it. I don't see any problem with it either, but sometimes the DYK editors can be real picky. Its amazing what they "OK" and what they turn down, sometimes. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 05:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of El Tajín

Hello! Your submission of El Tajín at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Serafin Olarte

I linked him from Papantla and I'm going to try and write a decent article on this guy. If you know of any biographical sources that would be of great help. Nice article!radek (talk) 04:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Cookham Bridge

Hi there & thanks for verifying my DYK hook. I do agree with your comment regarding explicitly referencing the article name and so I have provided an alternative wording. It is not the most elegant piece of prose but I think it does the trick. Thanks again & kind regards, Nancy ^talk 10:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes!

Yeah! Help at the prep queues :). Looks good. A friendly tip is to place a {{inuse}} tag on the top of the prep area you are working on. This will hopefully keep any dreaded copy edits to occur (which can really be a hassle if moving multiple hooks and have already deleted the entry on the talk template). Feel free to ask me if a question ever comes up. Thanks again. Kindly Calmer Waters 16:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Febrero 2010

I can't remember if I mentioned this before, but eventually I would like to develop a few articles on some of the more popular beers in Mexico. Note, I said popular beers in Mexico and not popular Mexican beers -- lol. I like to tell my friends in the US -- while they throw back a "fine" imported US$4.75 bottle of Corona -- that Corona in Mexico is the same as Bud Light in the US...ie: drinkable, but nothing special. Anyhow I've started an incubator for Montejo, simply because I already had photos on hand. Who knows if it will ever reach the point of becoming an article, but I thought I would give it a try. Not much is written yet, as between traveling and work, I just haven't had much time to sit down and go searching for stuff. You're welcome to add to it, if you happen to come across any Montejo-related material while working on the "Beer in Mexico" article. ¡Saludos! --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 05:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Heads up on assembling DYK sets

Assembling the sets is an art which all of us keep mastering and without feedback it is hard to get better. Thus (i) please respect the wish of the nominators to feature the hook on specific date; this was meant for 8 March (no big deal); (ii) the last hook is supposed to be quirky, which is off course subjective, but IMO this was not. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 02:49, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem. The bottom section of T:TDYK is named "Special occasion holding area". It contains subsections with the intended dates. Materialscientist (talk) 01:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Mushrooms

A better person to ask would be User:Sasata. Joe Chill (talk) 16:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Infobox pre-Columbian site

Hi. See Simon's talk page. I've also created two new location map templates which would probably be better to use for displaying the sites on rather than the modern rigid boundary maps.. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 13:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I was going to ask you to look at my talk page. Oh well, Simon Burchell (talk) 16:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

We would appreciate if you could spare the time to comment on the new infobox and offer suggestions. If not it can begin to be implemented right away... ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 11:59, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Huskies of Honor

I replied to your comment there with the verification location in the article. –Grondemar 00:40, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Landing Masonry Bridge

All done. I have experience at DYK, this the 49th if its on the main page, so I know how this works. Anyway, thanks for relieving my stress.Mitch32^{(We the people in order to form a more perfect union.)} 02:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

1000???????

Holy crap!!!! I thought I was crazy!!! hee hee ... congrats.Thelmadatter (talk) 20:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Thelmadatter. Of the 1000+ noms, quite a few were articles written by you. Thank you for your contribution to my attaining the 1000-plateau so quickly. Happy editing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 15:48, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Hola.

Pues efectivamente. Siempre he tenido mucho interés por la música y es una pena que no tengamos en México un "chart" oficial para canciones, hasta que encontré estas listas en un sitio FRANCES!. Ya me agregué al WikiProject Mexico. Para cualquier cosa, estamos a la orden. Muchos gusto y gracias. Jaespinoza (talk) 02:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Template_talk:Did_you_know#Dhumavati

Answered your comment on DYK.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Dams in Burma

Regarding your comment.

• the cited source says that only 1% of potential has been tapped.Thelmadatter (talk) 02:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• Cited references (5 and 8) dated 2003, says "Existing hydropower plants constitute 360 MW (30% of the generating capacity), and hence only 1% of the exploitable potential has been developed." Exploitable hydro potential being 39,624 MW. (360 / 39,624= .009 = .9%, say 1%)

6% figure comes from updated existing hydro output (of commissioned plants #1-19) of at least 2,449 MW. (2,449 MW / 39,624 MW = .061 = 6.1%).

Thanks for noticing, sorry that wasn't clear.--Marcus334 (talk) 04:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Barro Negro pottery

Hello! Your submission of Barro Negro pottery at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Calmer Waters 03:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Black pottery

I actually have some photos of it being made and put in the kiln...I'll dig them up and add them to the article --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 18:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Monte de las Cruces

Do you mind if I add a "Military conflict" infobox to the article?radek (talk) 11:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

One thing. I'm a little skeptical of the number of 60,000 for dead or wounded on the insurgents side. That would be an extremely high casualty rate, even allowing for the lack of training and equipment. This source [10] says "2000 killed, and many more wounded". Even being generous with the wounded, it's very unlikely that you'd get 60,000. My guess is that the source in the article is including the 40,000 (mentioned in the same source) in the number.radek (talk) 05:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Muriel Dickson

Hi. Thanks for the message. I just looked at the article again, and I'm not sure what you mean. There are quite a lot of references. Can you be more specific? The Lead doesn't need to repeat the references that are in the text below for the more detailed discussion.... Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, done, thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Atzompa

I might have some on my computer at home...I'm in Israel right now, but I'll be back in Oaxaca in a couple of weeks. If not, I know where I can scare some pics up. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 02:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

People here keep telling me "You're brave. We would never travel to Mexico, its too dangerous!". I have to laugh because everyone in Israel lives with the daily threat of suicide bombings or missile launches....yet neither of those dangers even exist in Mexico!!! LOL --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 02:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Glad you were OK... Mexican buses are always a mixed bag -- but hey, how many people can say they've shared a bus with chickens or donkeys...or rode on one that was robbed?? Can't wait to see your pics :) --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 15:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Very nice photo set you uploaded. I like your camera too. I'm always concerned about traveling with my 50D, for fear someone will try to lift it from me. Not exactly a small investment to lose. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 19:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Tecolotlán

Hi. Any chance you can find some more sources and expand it further than what I've added?. Perhaps then it can be DYK'd? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

ok thanks, I'm not sure about your reordering though. Towns/municipality articles are supposed to be structured by geography/economy/culture etc... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes, I remember starting some of the northern desert municipalities some of which are well over 1000 square kilometres and remember thinking how certain parts of the municipality undoubtedly differ from the main town. This is why ideally I think we should have seperate articles on both and also articles on other major towns and villages within the muniicpalities. Howveer, at present given the lack of people working on them it is best to merge the articles... Thanks for your help.. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:46, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

The municipalities of some of the northern states, especially Baja, are the exception, not the rule. Once you get out of the major deserts, municipalities are much, much, much smaller. For localities within a municipality (other than the seat), the name goes something like Chalma, Malinalco, Mexico StateThelmadatter (talk) 18:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

"Open chapel" just doesn't sound right. I'd go with "Capilla abierta". Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Otumba de Gómez Farías

Hello! Your submission of Otumba de Gómez Farías at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Storye book (talk) 12:03, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

• Your nom is accepted; it's just a request to utilise the online Desconocido magazine citation next to the hook in the header. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 12:03, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Capilla abierta/Open chapel

Thats a tough one. I would probably go with Open chapel, simply because that's what most English speakers would search for. Of course, a clarification in regards to the Spanish name should go somewhere in the lede. Anyhow, I'm off to bed. I'm back in Oaxaca and it seems like the internet is being run by ratons on a treadmill tonight. Regards --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 04:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I just saw your edit about being in Oaxaca -- I've been in Ixtlan this past week and will be heading to the US for a week on Sunday. I cannot wait to have internet that isn't powered by a raton running on a treadmill. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 23:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

You should try to make it through the cloud forests around Ixtlan sometime....simply enchanting. I only wish my trip to the US entailed a visit to NY or NJ as there is nothing like a good NY bagel. I have yet to have a yeast bread down here that isn't on the sweet side...ok maybe the bolillos don't taste sweet, but they're definitely not bagel material (or Challah material...or Jalapeno Cheese Bread mmmmm...) --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 07:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Spring equinox in Teotihuacán

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Reverting my spam removal

If you take a look at the spam link you reinstated, you will see that the page is based on a Wikipedia article. cornwalls.co.uk is a known spam site and is in no way a reliable source. I would be grateful if you would leave the link off wikipedia. --Simple Bob (talk) 14:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Re:Open chapel or Capilla abierta??

I would go with Open chapel as the article name, Capilla abierta as a redirect. As it is not the name of a person or place, I would say it should be in English on English Wikipedia. And lucky timing--this is the first time I've logged on in a few months. --Muzekal Mike (talk) 14:48, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Acolman

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Oaxaca, Oaxaca

Just what was your intent with this edit? --I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 14:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Chapulines

nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} has given you some Chapulines, for to promote good will amongst editors! You see, these things somehow promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else some Chapulines! Enjoy! Chapulines are a Mexican treat dating back to the ancient Mesoamericans, and to this day they are enjoyed at many gatherings amongst family and friends.

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Neat, I will check out your new article photos.... Re:Chapulines, after a while you get used to them....they sorta taste like dried hay...and they are slipped in so many street foods here, its hard to avoid them LOL....Now as for the worm salt...well...thats another story. LOL --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 04:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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DYK Capilla abierta

I promoted it as a lead into queue 2 but with another hook. Please check. Materialscientist (talk) 00:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Archibald Montgomerie

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Mexican map=

Hi. This annoying German who barely edits english wikipedia keeps reverting my map updates see this. Which map would you prefer to use? Personally I find the blank Mexico map less professional looking than the relief map which is more realistic and gives the reader an idea of altitude which is very important. The rendering is much more attractive in my view. Which do you prefer, File:Mexico relief location map.jpg or File:Mexico location map.svg?We need to form a consensus over this otherwise this Oboe user is going to continue to revert. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I've replaced it with one with out rivers. Do you want me to create a Template:Location map Mexico Mexico City or not?? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:08, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Granted. See Chapultepec Castle. You probably disapprove of it though and think it has too much detail. Well, that the best I can manage for now... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:37, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I can, however, make maps of areas of Mexico which will be relatively blank. I'll try making a Template:Location map Mexico Oaxaca and tell me what you think. If there are any specific regional maps you want just ask. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:41, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

See Abejones

I made Template:Location map Mexico Yucatán. See Chacmultun and Chunchucmil. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I also found some existing maps and made some in Category:Mexico location map templates. I'm currently seeing whether we can convert existing municipal loators into blank svgs. If so there will be no need to make more like Yucatan. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You!!

I have not once - ever - awarded one of these, but I was impressed with an overhaul you did on an article a few months ago and then I perused your contrib history...you completely and utterly deserve a barnstar. And I can't believe you don't already have one. (I had to go with the blanket "National Merit" because, surprisingly, there is not a Mexico star.) ocrasaroon ^{blah blah blah}

		The Barnstar of National Merit
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Veracruz, Veracruz

Why did you revert my edits to this article? Colonies Chris (talk) 08:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you've properly looked at the changes I made. I didn't add any quotes, I just converted existing curly quotes to straight quotes, per WP:MOS. I enclosed a few Spanish words and phrases in language templates and italicised them. They only appear once, so there was no question of repeating the italicisation, And I corrected a typo, which you've also reverted. Colonies Chris (talk) 18:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Have you bothered to either look at the changes I made or to read what I wrote above? I didn't add any quotation marks except around "La Bamba", which is in line with the Manual of Style (Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(music)#Popular_music; I didn't italicise any Spanish words more than once; I didn't italicise any place names. Colonies Chris (talk) 18:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Jorge Cruickshank García

Non-PRI sounds good to me...and is definitely more clear, especially considering most people know nothing about Mexican politics... --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 15:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I was just about to do that.  Done --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 16:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Cheese

If you need photos of Cheese, let me know. I just posted a new one of Oaxaca cheese the other day....and while the markets around here don't have much aside from Oaxaca cheese, I did see cheese curds today (which at first I thought might be soaked maize). --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 03:09, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I walk by Mercado Benito Juarez every day, so I'll go in tomorrow and see if there's a good cheese stall...if not, I'll hit up Asbastos on Thursday...the teachers have been bogging down most of the big markets the past two weeks (more so than usual), so a lot of the vendors just haven't been opening...sigh. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 02:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, the teachers do deserve more than they are paid (one of the world's most important, yet inadequately compensated, professions)...but its been worse here than in years past. Usually the police keep their distance, but this year trucks with state police are everywhere...and in the middle of everything...it makes me wonder if they know something we dont... --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 18:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'm unimpressed with the cheese stands at Benito Juarez & Abastos...Benito Juarez is surrounded by protesters and construction...and Abastos doesn't have any variety -- all Oaxaca cheese. I'm going to the sunday-only Pochote organic market tomorrow morning, and they should have a variety of local artisan cheeses...Last time I was there they even had Panela made with chapulines!! Keep your fingers crossed that its not shut down by protesters too.. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 01:13, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

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Rod Shealy

Hi Thelmadatter. I need some help figuring out what you're looking for neutrality-wise in the Rod Shealy article. I made a minor correction, but you're concerns seemed like they might be broader. Was there anything specific in the article that you thought could use balancing? Or something that is missing? Gobonobo ^{T C} 22:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for National Penitentiary Institute (Peru)

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Thanks for your support! Your comment here has been addressed. KimChee (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Copano, Texas DYK

Thanks for notifying me. I moved the reference behind the sentence for the hook.--William S. Saturn (talk) 03:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Sierra Norte / Juárez

I have a feeling I have messed up... I started an article on Sierra Juárez, Oaxaca, mostly geographical (mountains, forests etc.), and then came across Sierra Norte de Oaxaca which seemed to be a different name for the same region. Looking at the size, number of sources and inbound links for each article, I decided to merge Sierra Norte into Sierra Juárez. But now I have an uncomfortable feeling that Sierra Norte is a larger region, including Sierras Villa Alta, Ixtlán and Juárez (see map in the article). Do you know if that is the case? Aymatth2 (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. I was confusing a region with a range, part of a larger range. I am disentangling them now, and think I will continue with regions (and ranges) of Oaxaca for a while. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 01:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I think it does work. But if I had known how much grunt work was involved, I am not sure I would have started! Aymatth2 (talk) 20:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Imagine how I felt creating the whole Mexican state templates and starting most of the municipalities! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:34, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:Ernst Stavro, if I may call you that without being over-familiar, it is hard for me to understand the value of starting hundreds of articles that have nothing to do with Nigerian politicians. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:19, 11 July 2010 (UTC) Moved the comment to Dr. B's page. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Colonia Obrera

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DYK nomination of National Fund for the Development of Arts and Crafts

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DYK nomination of Elgin Gould

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José de la Borda, at DYK.

I've made a few comments about your nomination of the above article, there. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piltzintecuhtli

Thought this might interest you. Notable? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

The tag at Virginie Bovie

Hi, Thelmadatter. You said that you put the tag on the page, but I don't see it, so can you please clarify the problem? Thanks. Secret Saturdays (talk to me) 03:36, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. I checked the link from the sentence and the reference looked good to me. Secret Saturdays (talk to me) 18:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I added the reference. Secret Saturdays (talk to me) 00:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Lists and tables

Lists are easy: Help:Wiki markup#Lists. Tables are a bit more complicated (because they are a bit complicated in HTML too), but this section should hopefully set you up. In doubt, feel free to drop me a note. Circéus (talk) 18:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Santa Veracruz Church, Mexico City

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Palacio de la Autónomia DYK nom

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Also I've just noticed that the article has an error in the title - it should be "Palacio de la Autonomía" with the tilde on the "i", so the page should be moved. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 14:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Favor to ask

Since you live in Mexico, can I ask you a favor? I just completed several articles on venues for the 1968 Summer Olympics that took place in Mexico City. Can you have a look at some of them and see if you can find their venue names in the Spanish language if possible. I have checked some on the Internet, but some of them in the official report were listed wither in English of French.
Thanking you in advance. Chris (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Chris (talk) 13:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK review of Tarebia granifera

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These is currently some dispute as to whether Brot has priority over the discovery of Tarebia granifera mauiensis in 1877. I'll try to post you a reference on this. Wonbrainsell (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Berman's Bakery

Hi, thanks for reviewing my hook. I responded to your question a few days ago; could you approve it now? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not quite sure what you're asking me. I tried to respond on the DYK page. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Hallowe'en 2010

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DYK nomination of Zona Rosa

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Salvador Ferrando

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DYK nomination of Cullen Wines

I have responded to your concern and suggested an alt that is hopefully suitable at DYK. Camw (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I believe self published sources (such as the company website) are fine per WP:SELFPUB which says "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities", as long as they aren't the only source.

The general notability guidelines indicates that "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article" and I believe the subject meets this basic criteria through coverage by places like the largest Malaysian newspaper, WA Business News, major wine magazines, and the NY Times among plenty of others but I'm happy to get more opinions.

As to the overly promotional nature of the article, I've tried to stick to well sourced facts, happy to accept assistance if you have suggestions on how to improve it though. Camw (talk) 03:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

SELFPUB is part of the official verifiability policy, so if you've had problems with another editor then feel free to bring it to their attention ;)

I've asked for a second opinion on the DYK nomination and we'll see how we go. Camw (talk) 01:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. For most lists though you should be able to fit them on the borough pages if you split column them like List of colonias in Coyoacán. One idea might just to create a single List of colonias of Mexico City. might be too many to cram on one page though, f you use columns it should be possible.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:26, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

This might strike you as odd Thelma but inside the Trotsky museum have you ever felt there is a presence in any of the rooms like somebody is watching you or somebody is in the room with you and nobody is there sort of thing? Its just an aunty of mine went to Mexico a few years back and I remember her saying that she had this peculiar feeling when inside the Trotsky museum that somebody was stood right behind her but nobody was there.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Interesting.Yes that's what she said. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:14, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to you, it was interesting for me!!

Hi, Thelmadatter. Thanks to you! It was interesting for me reading about my own city in English, not so frequent! I'll show you a translation I did into English about Mexico City, published by Mexico City's Department of Tourism almost one year ago. See you at the Wikimeeting, hope this time our "king" will be there, hehe!! correogsk (talk) 09:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC) Gustavo SK

DYK

Hello, your DYK nomination on Cuernavaca Cathedral looks good to me, although the article could perhaps do with an image (presumably the one on the DYK nomination would suffice?). I'll leave it to you, in case you have something else planned. Thanks! Rob (talk) 18:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Palace of Cortes, Cuernavaca

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Balsas River

Hi. I wondered if you would be interested in contributing to User:Nvvchar/Balsas River? Maybe we could do a double with Lázaro Cárdenas, Michoacán which really ought to be much better!!... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, did you visit Papanoa?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Petatlán

Hi. Can you think of a better hook?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:14, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Mexican municipality

Template:Mexican municipality has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:47, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I created this template for you to use in your project. It is now being proposed for deletion by another editor. The rationale given is:

This seems to be related to Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca, which took place a few years ago. All the links seem to be by virtue of transclusions of Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Navigation bar. Unused. — This, that, and the other (talk)09:47, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

If you want to keep the template, you should explain why here. If not, do nothing and it will probably be deleted in a few days.

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Barro negro

I removed the tag. I haven't been able to edit much as my internet keeps dying and Cablemas SUCKS when it comes to scheduling a technician to come out and figure out whats going on. I even offered a bribe, but I guess it wasn't enough jajajaja... Saludos! ;-) -- nsaum75 ^{!Dígame¡‎} 18:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Gary Williams (singer) at Did You Know nominations page

I think I've fixed all the issues with the DYK Nom for this article. Please let me know if there's any more editing that needs to be done. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 05:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Yecapixtla at DYK

Hi there, I've reviewed the article (which is magnificent, by the way). My only comment was that I didn't feel a piped link reading "World Heritage Site" did the image justice, so I've suggested an alternative wording. Regards, —WFC— 00:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Mexican Universities

What's your take on the changes this IP has been making[11]? -- nsaum75 ^{!Dígame¡‎} 06:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Costa Grande of Guerrero

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Nomination of Gerardo Cornejo Murrieta for deletion

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DYK for Cholula, Puebla

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Rosendale Village

I believe I addressed your issues at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on February 8. The article specifies that the mayor approached the village's disincorporation as an artistic piece, that his book can be considered a component of the work, and there's also a large floated quotation analyzing the disincorporation on its artistic merits.
--Gyrobo (talk) 01:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to tell you how hurt I am by this comment. I've tried very hard to discuss my viewpoint with you, and to avoid insulting your intelligence in the process. But dismissing my legitimate concerns like that is flat-out rude, and hypocritical. You kept saying that the article lacked information to support the hook, but when I added such information and tried to explain it, you refused to continue reviewing, and then acted like I was a foolish obstruction who deserved no input on the hook. It's shameful and disrespectful.
--Gyrobo (talk) 00:53, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

--148.241.190.81 (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Saw your message on my Malayalam wikipedia user talk page. What type of help you expect from me. You can mail me at shijualexonlineATgmailDOTcom --Shijualex (talk) 16:52, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I liked your project. But I do not have specific experience in GLAM related topics. My experience is mostly in the following 3 things

• Coordinating various tasks and interacting with the various language communities of India. India is bit comlicated you might know. More than 40 language wiki communities itself.
• Interacting with the local Government to get various things released under some free license so that it can be reused for wiki projects.
• Developing technical solutions for various Indian language wiki projects.

If you require any information regarding this, I am always there to support. --Shijualex (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of La Lagunilla Market, Mexico City

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Wikipedia:Credo accounts

I thought you might be interested in getting free access to Credo Reference, see Wikipedia:Credo accounts. Shdjuey (talk) 08:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sierra Gorda

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Reply

Replied to Template talk:Did you know#Soybean Car on your point.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:15, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I believe I have a solution that I submitted as Alt 1 that I have a reference to and is close to your idea.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:44, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Would my Alt 1 that I have submitted be acceptable? I have a reference for that and have modified the article accordingly.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Replied to Template talk:Did you know#Soybean Car on your recent points.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:49, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

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If you e-mail back I can then send you a picture of the text of Famous First Facts item # 3242 that I am using as a reference. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)Doug Coldwell

Here is the text of Famous First Facts I have uploaded to Flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22738816@N07/5593526938/

--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Submitted Alt 1b as a rewording of Alt 1 I am suggesting as a hook. Alt1b is basically the same as Alt1, however it does not use the word "bodied". A detailed explanation of this is reference #1 of the website explaing what Henry Ford Museum said of the Soybean car.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/06/mystery-car-40-henry-fords-soybean-car/1

This is further explained in this website, which is also one of my references. It says: The “Soybean Car” was actually a plastic-bodied car unveiled by Henry Ford on August 13, 1941 at Dearborn Days, an annual community festival.

http://www.hemp.com/2011/01/henrys-hemp-car-not-so-much-hemp/

Would that then be acceptable?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:57, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion offered at Template talk:Did you know#Soybean Car.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:13, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Mexicans of European descent

Could you help me please? That other guy's behaviour is just disruptive. He's just trying to impose a POV by force. He was and still is the only one complaining about his own preferred version. I just keep reverting him as vandalism, because of the large pieces of text he's erasing (even if they are refereced). It is not fair that one single user can disrupt and mess up an entire article. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 20:37, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Jens Joneleit

You started reviewing the composer for DYK, will you continue? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

European Mexicans

Excuse me, if I've revert your edition. Look at this, please.[12].--79.2.168.44 (talk) 21:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi from PKM

If any of your work on handcrafts includes weaving or natural dyes, can you you give me a heads-up? Thanks! - PKM (talk) 17:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh, doh, Textiles of Mexico is yours! I actually added some links to that back in January when I was working on natural dye. Great article. Small world. ;-) - PKM (talk) 21:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

RE: Arroyo Seco

I saw it at DYK queue and I said "why not?". Good luck at Chiapas and have fun! :D Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 18:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Thankyou

I really wish I could clone you dearest Thelma. Your prolific edits and the fact they are you photos make them wonderful! I could't ask for a better editor to be editing Mexican topics! Thankyou, I really appreciate the work you do on here.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Celts in Transylvania

Thanks so much for reviewing Celts in Transylvania. The article was updated based on your feedback, with the focus on Transylvania. It also went through extensive copy editing. Could your please take second look at it and let us know if we are good to go for DYK? Thanks a lot. --Codrin.B (talk) 14:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Barranquilla

Hi. I've copied the FA SPanish article to Talk:Barranquilla. I've begun translation. Its a huge article so all help is needed! Should take a few weeks but like with Montevideo and Tenerife etc is a core article. If you could help whenever you can translating a few paragraphs this would be a great help.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:04, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Yah flora and fauna is tricky...♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Can you translate this, its difficult for me:

También se presenta el yeísmo. Además, presenta la caída de la d intervocálica de los participios, por ejemplo, "salado" se pronuncia [sa'la.o] . La s de final de sílaba se aspira en palabras como "costa" (['koh.ta]) o "buscó" ([buh'ko]). Se presenta también la pérdida total de la s en posición final absoluta y de la r final de los infinitivos: "las cosas" se pronuncia [lah 'kosa] y "caminar" [ka.mi'na]. Otra característica principal del español hablado en la ciudad es la fuerte nasalización de las vocales que anteceden a las consonantes m y n ("campaña" [kãm'pa.ɲa] y "anda" [ãn.da]). La n final se realiza velar: canción [kan'sjoŋ]. La jota se realiza como una aspiración suave ([h]), a veces casi desaparece, completamente diferente de la articulación velar de la jota ([x]) española.

Cabe anotar que en modo alguno se presenta la geminación de las consonantes (por ejemplo d, t, p o g) posteriores a las líquidas r y l y la supresión de éstas: cad-do por caldo, at-to por alto (fenómeno propio del español de los departamentos de Bolívar, Sucre y Córdoba, y del Atlántico a partir de Sabanalarga).

Salvo los localismos y las variantes fonéticas que se presentan como consecuencia normal de la expansión de toda lengua, y gracias a la morfosintaxis prácticamente idéntica a la del español estándar, el visitante originario de otras latitudes, cuya lengua madre sea el castellano, encontrará poca o ninguna dificultad en comunicarse con el barranquillero.

♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:05, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

GiovBag sockpuppetry case

Aww I know you're on a vacation, but I need to tell you this. I finally got tired of GiovBag abuse of anonymous IP editing. I also found that another user that tried to fool us as a "different person" is actually him. I opened a sockpuppetry case. Maybe you can comment. Here it is [13]. Thanks and enjoy your holidays! AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 23:37, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Arroyo Seco, Querétaro

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You were reported to AIV regarding template editing

Hi, as per the header you reported to AIV in respect to some edits to templates. As the reviewing admin I commented that you were unlikely to be vandalising the project and asked if these edits had been queried. The reporter contacted me on my talkpage, and said that they had but were reverted. It is very likely that this is an editor with little experience of the project, but - given that they came to me in response to my comments - even more likely to be a good faith contributor. I would be grateful if you could explain your edits to them, and answer any concerns they might have. Thanks, LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination: Battle for the Río San Juan de Nicaragua, Fortress of the Immaculate Conception, El Castillo (village), El Castillo (municipality), Rafaela Herrera

Thanks for reviewing my recent DYK nomination. As per your request, I have provided inline citations for all paragraphs in all 5 articles. I have submitted many DYK nominations in the recent past, and I have never seen any requirement that each paragraph must have at least one citation. Can you please show me where the DYK rules state that each paragraph must have at least one citation? DiverDave (talk) 02:35, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Cabo San Lucas

Hi, This gets over 1000 hits a day. I wondered if you could wave your magic wand and sort it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:35, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

WOw!!!! That's quite an expansion!!! Thankyou for that! Of course the natural thing would be to split history into a History of Chiapas and then condense but it looks easily 5 x expansion to me. Excellent job! I'll DYk nom it for you.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

RE: Chiapas

Already re-assessed (as you probably saw), sorry for the late answer; and good luck at Chiapas' DYK. Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 05:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Mexico

Thanks for all your wonderful work on articles related to Mexico! I hope we will see much more of your excellent articles and images! Iusethis (talk) 09:53, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

They look great as usual. I'm going to be doing a lot of work on Spanish municipalities I think over the next few months. They desperately need attention. And then many of the municipalities could be covered in detail with over 20 articles on buildings related to it!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lacandon Jungle

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Idiomas

Came across this and thought it might be of interest to you -- http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/7585644.html Saludos! -- nsaum75 ^{!Dígame¡‎} 19:43, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge

Depends, there could be enough info for separate articles..Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 18:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Can I request an article on the Cuisine of Mexico City like Cuisine of Montevideo. I want info about Mexico city restaurants and food!Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 17:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Sumidero Canyon

I don't see why not. Might make things a bit easier on people :-) How have you been? Its horribly hot down here...Its gotten up into the 90s during the day -- a rarity for Oaxaca city. I cannot wait for the rainy season to come!-- nsaum75 ^{!Dígame¡‎} 19:51, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

At least for now it should be merged, it's about the same topic. Probably if the Canyon article were big enough it would be keep as now. ۞ Tbhotch^™ & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 20:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

1921 Mexican Census

Hey, I'm using the 1921 Mexican census just as a reference to the last official time the Mexican government asked all Mexicans about their race (perception). Please don't remove it. I took like over 2 hours adding these things and researching it to better the article. And it's pretty annoying that you are throwing my time and work to the trash.

The website of the guy who researched the census is not one single personal website. this guy has written for LA Latino, Houston Culture, etc. The guy who researched it is not some random blogger, the document he researched is not false, and the his website is not a blog.

If you want to add something to the 1921 census mentioned in the states of Mexico, like "This was the last census to record race" or "Since then, the demographics have changed" then do so. But please don't just remove the stuff I put because I put time and effort into it.

So, please leave the census info there, and then, like I said, make it known that current demographics may have dramatically changed, but I think it is a good reference. And besides, it's an official government stat, it's not like Schmal is making the info up.

Have a nice day.--76.95.196.87 (talk) 23:28, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you at least (for the sake that I put out of my own time and effort) put the 1921 stats for each state in the "History" section? (And mention that since then, the population ethnic demographics may have changed dramatically). --76.95.196.87 (talk) 00:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

No, it would require that a good secondary source discusses the sentence and suggests that it is of particular relevance for understanding the demographic development of the states. As it is the information is poorly source and it is not at all obvious why it would be relevant for readers to know how many people described themselves as "indigena pura" or "blanco" or "indigena mezclado" in 1921.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:04, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mezquital Valley

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Please see new note on DYK talk page. Yoninah (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

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I saw that Doc James also did not know the answer to your question. Sorry. We all will help on Wikipedia things but fact-checking medicine stuff is sometimes difficult. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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I have seen your message in the Spanish wikipedia in Gota, and is full of mistakes that make it quite difficult to read: I post here some corrections (I was going to do it there but I thought it would be better here, so you can do as you wish):

Hay desacuerdo sobre una traducción que se hizo para mejorar el artículo sobre Gota (enfermedad) con discusión aquí Discusión:Gota (enfermedad). Es posible que sea un caso de Wikipedia:Propiedad de los artículos. No está relacionado a mi clase de inglés para medicos, que terminó en mayo con éxito. Gracias por tu ayuda en esto.

This sentence I simply do not understand what you intended to say: Fue caso de traducción de Google y ahora lo uso como ejemplo como Wikipedia SI puede detectar problemas y SI importa hacer el trabajo bien!

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