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2012 FIA GT1 World Championship season

Hey, do you mind taking a look at the driver and team tables on the 2012 FIA GT1 World Championship season page? I edited them in a few days ago using the 2011 season page as a template for it, but I think I've done something wrong. It's only a cosmetic thing, but the line along the bottom of the tables is missing, so it look very sloppy, and I can't for the life of me work out what I've done wrong. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:10, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't take this the wrong way ...

... But I just want to give you a quick reminder that you don't own any of the pages on Wikipedia. Don't get me wrong, you're a great source of information, particularly on sports car and GT racing; you can find information from sources that I wouldn't even begin to know where they might be found. However, I have noticed that you are very quick to shoot down changes that do things differently to the way they've been done in the past, and your reasoning often shuts down any further debate. Like when I suggested adopting content from Indycar pages. This was your response:

20 more charts cluttering up the article? And with redundant information that already exists elsewhere in this article, as well as all the individual grand prix articles? No thanks.

Or take the 2012 FIA GT1 World Championship season page. I added the car used by each team to the race results and teams' standings pages, the reason being that with each team fielding a different car to anyone else (ie Hexis use McLarens, Valmon run Astons, etc.), including the car in these tables serves as a further form of identifying who actually won the race or scored the points. You simply reverted the edits, gave brief reasons why, allowed no time for actually discussing it, and moved on.

Now, I'm not saying that you actually are under the impression that you own the pages. I wouldn't expect someone who has been an editor for so long to make that mistake. But that's how you come across in your editing: that all changes - particularly the ones that do things differently - need to be approved by you first. I'm of the belief that any page can be made better; just because it exists, that doesn't mean it's already perfect. All I'm trying to do is make these pages better. That's all anyone is trying to do. I really hope I'm wrong about this, but based on the way you present yourself, I think you need to be reminded of it. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 05:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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Simonsen

If you keep reverting changes, the article is not going to grow, is it? In your reversion you also moved (wrongly) the reference I inserted and then moved to its correct place. It is very annoying to keep finding oneself editing a section to find the effort wasted, and the edit keep being lost. I have just spent 20 minutes typing, only to find each time I had to do it again.-- Cain Mosni (talk||contribs) 17:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh God, don't say that. Haha that stuff took ages. I saw some sponsors linked and others not, and some engines linked in entrant titles and others not. I wasn't aware of any agreement, but if sponsors aren't to be linked then neither should anything else in the entrant titles, including engines etc. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Obviously team articles are to be linked, but nothing else - that's what I was trying to say. Any idea as to why it was agreed not to link sponsors etc? Doesn't seem very logical. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I have to say that doesn't sound like a great reason to remove all the links. Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team works fine, for example, as we would do in driver results tables. If articles exist for various terms, then in a wider Wikipedia context they should be linked, according to the guidelines - otherwise readers won't know what those sponsor terms mean. "West" for example, could mean just about anything, likewise "European", "Orange" etc. There's not even anything there to say that they're sponsor names. Can you recall if it was discussed at WP:F1, and roughly when, so I can find the discussion? I'm not going to argue unduly, but I'd be interested to know how this convention came about. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:15, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that makes sense. I see that for the last few seasons and the current one, nothing in the entrant title is linked at all, not even the team. I can't see a discussion anywhere about it, and links were removed (with no edit summary) by User:Abdul Qayyum Ahmad on the 2009, 2010 and 2011 articles. So we have a bit of a contradiction going on over the various season articles. I'll ask at WPF1 just what the current convention is. Thanks for letting me know about it. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Marc VDS Racing Team

I didn't realize that VDS Racing (mid 1980s IndyCar team) and Marc VDS Racing Team (present day motorcycle team) were different, I just rememberred that the last name of the owner of the 1980s team was van der Stratten and I saw van der Stratten on on the motorcycle team's page and thought they were the same only under a slightly different name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.17.60.48 (talk) 21:05, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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A suggestion

Hello The359. I think its five years since I last said hello so let me say that I am glad that you are still editing here and I hope that you are enjoying today's 24 Hours of Le Mans. Speed TV is only missing two hours of the race this year (a record I think) and we can watch those at their website so this year is quite a treat. I wanted to send a suggestion your way and see what you thought. If you will take a look at these three articles Formula One, National Basketball Association and UEFA European Football Championship you will see that their infoboxes have a link to articles that are covering the current season/tournament/event. On the Le Mans article I had to scroll down to the "Since 2006" section to find a link to this years race (and it was a bit of a WP:EGG violation as it had been piped so that only the 2012 was showing) so I tried to add a "current event" link to the infobox but the field does not work in "Infobox motor race". So I wanted to suggest that a) the field be added to that infobox or b) a hatnote linking to this years race article be added to the top of the Le Mans article. If either of these is workable that would be great but if they aren't then please don't worry about it. Also, if you don't see this until it is too late to do anything this year you might want to consider it for 2013. Thanks for your time and cheers! MarnetteD | Talk 15:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

PS I thought about posting this at the Wikiproject Sports Car talk page but I didn't know how long it would be before it was seen. Also I like your "This user follows 24 Hours of Le Mans every year" userbox so I am adding it to my userpage. MarnetteD | Talk 15:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Between the Deltawing and the hybrids this years race is even more fascinating than usual. MarnetteD | Talk 17:26, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Le Mans driver line-up templates

That's fair; I originally created them out of my own curiosity to see how the Audi lineup had changed over time and who had replaced who, but I was pleased enough with how they looked on my Sandbox that I thought they were worth sharing so others could get a quick glimpse at how lineups have changed over time. I was inspired a bit by both band lineup timelines and vehicle lineup timelines. Do you think the information would be valuable to retain as a non-navigation template, perhaps using the timeline functionality instead? I was considering creating similar timelines for F1 seats as well, or adding them to existing team templates. I do think Joest deserves a larger navigation template with driver and car listings throughout their history; I was thinking on working on that in the future. CuttlefishTech (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Not completely crazy re: 2013 24 Hours of Le Mans

I see why you reverted my edit at 2013 24 Hours of Le Mans. I was sourcing the print version that states there will be a demo run at Silverstone but a race debut at Spa. The link to the online version does not mention Spa but the print version did, so I just wanted to let you know I'm not completely crazy. Sorry for the confusion. 72Dino (talk) 03:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Sockpuppetry

Hey 359,

I noticed that you made a comment directed towards Eff Won on the 2012 F1 season talk page addressing his inexperience with Wikipedia.

While the patient manner you addressed him with is to be applauded, I have reason to believe that Eff Won might actually be a sockpuppet of Lucy-marie as I have noticed that several of their behaviours are similar.

First of all, Eff Won has picked out a minor detail - the lack of links to specific race pages in the calendar - and pushed to change them. He/she (one of Lucy's sockpuppets was called "Jimjames", so I never worked out if Lucy was male of female) has insisted that despite a long-standing consensus on the matter, "it needs discussing again".

Secondly, when Eff Won doesn't get his way, he starts pushing the discussion around and around in circles. He ignores comments from users explaining why they don't support his ideas, and then restates his ideas trying to keep the discussion going to rope more people in, assuming that they will only read the final comment.

Thirdly, Eff Won frequently claims that we are deliberately obscuring or suppressing "facts" about the article, particularly on the edit history page, where he makes comments like "the excuses don't stand up to scrutiny" and "please try harder to please the readers" and "all I want is one relevant link". This was also one of Lucy's favourite things to do, claiming that we're all biased (also a symptom of serial sockpuppet de Facto, who I long suspected was a Lucy account))

Finally, when this doesn't work, he describes our arguments as "not rational" and "excuses", and openly states that if we don't consider his ideas to be good, then we're clearly using faulty logic (and it's also another de Facto trait). This is one of Lucy's favourite positions to take - "I'm right, and if you don't see it, then you're an idiot".

I just thought I might let you know, just in case Eff Won really is Lucy. I hope not, because experience has taught me that if Lucy is provoked, she starts getting destructuve - she'll go into an article, and start making edits that ignore consensus before trying to force her preferred changes through by way of an edit war. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

We are being calm. We just needed to know what we were dealing with before we took any action. I, for one, would hate to accuse someone of acting improperly without any justification. Several others agree with me that Eff Won may be Lucy-marie or De Facto (or possibly both). I was just letting you know that some of us have our suspicions because I noted that you had addressed Eff Won as a newcomer, and based on what we have seen in the past, Lucy loves to play the inexperienced newcomer. We now feel that we have enough to open a sockpuppet invetigation. If it comes back proving that Eff Won is neither Lucy-marie nor De Facto nor any other member, we'll accept that and move on. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:21, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't think I've assumed that he is a sockpuppet. I've simply restored the page to its original condition, pending a new consensus. For example, while Eff Won was making his case for links to race reports to be included in the calendar, he was making those changes. His approach seems to be "here is a change I want to make, and while we discuss it, the changes should remain in effect". My belief has always been that we discuss changes, and then we make them. Perhaps it is very conservative, but I feel that if the page isn't broken, then there is no need to fix it. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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ANI

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Blackmane (talk) 10:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Weehawken

That's okay.

When we created the page for the New Jersey circuit, it was named after the nearest geographical feature we could find, because there was no official name for the circuit at the time. That happened to be the Port Imperial terminal, which is opposite the start line. But I couldn't actually find anything that listed whether the terminal is in Weehawken or West New York, so I listed both until it could be resolved. Which now appears to have happened. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Zak Brown

Interested to understand your suggestions on how the zak brown entry could be modified in order to remove the conflict of interest flag. thanks! Davidminety (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC) davidminety

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Question about a consensus

Prisonermonkeys made an edit here [1] (which I totally agree with) to remove a column of flags from the results table in the 2012 F1 season article. I saw that these flags are present in the 2011 article as well, and probably elsewhere too – he says there was a consensus somewhere to remove them, in which case I'll remove them from other season articles, but I can't find the consensus. He seems to remember that you initiated the discussion – any ideas as to what we agreed to do? Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, it was March 2009! [2] How time flies. Yes, there was definitely a consensus there to use the host nation flag rather than have a flag to highlight a race title, next to the race title itself. The main objector was Lucy-Marie, who subsequently brought the subject back again and again for months. I'll roll this out to other places I see it, but I can't find anything about the flags in the results matrix. If anyone has the stomach for the inevitable conflict, maybe we could bring it up at some point. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:48, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
What I've done for now is to remove them from the table in the 2011 article, and I'll see what the reaction is before bothering to do all the others – they go back a long way. If there's a fuss it might be a lot of effort for nothing. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:57, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Max Chilton

Why do we need a hard to verify foreign source when if it's true it will be in Autosport tomorrow? Britmax (talk) 12:02, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

But why use a source most editors here can't verify when we can wait for it to appear in Autosport tomorrow in our language? Why shouldn't we expect sources to be in the home language, whatever that is? Britmax (talk) 12:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Britmax: Why invent an expectation that does not exist in Wikipedias requirements? If it is a reliable source then the language does not matter. --Falcadore (talk) 12:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
All expectations here are invented: someone has to think of them. I am asking why this is so urgent that we cannot wait for it to be published in our language rather than risking more POV rubbish appearing in the encyclopedia because most of the people editing voluntarily cannot verify it? Personally I see no need to accept non home language information here at all as if no-one has bothered to translate it into the home language, I would question whether it is notable enough to include anyway. Yes, if it is a reliable source, but how would most of us know? Britmax (talk) 13:01, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

McLaren MP4-28

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2012/12/14171.html <--- Theres the source on Mclarens 2013 car. Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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DeltaWing engine

Hi! Please check the discussion page. Good bye! --NaBUru38 (talk) 18:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

DLR

Perhaps you need to give me a definition of what a test driver is if you are deleting a reference which states plainly that de la Rosa (not Rossa btw!) is Ferrari's new test driver. What ARE the actual conditions that make someone a tester, as you see it? Officially Mr X (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Prescott, Arizona

http://www.mymeetscores.com/gymnast.pl?gymnastid=93604

Mishon Davis is a level 10 gymnast... there is the link. why delete edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.207.159.39 (talk) 03:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

XJR15 article

Can you be specific about which photos you believe to be in violation of copyright as most of them were taken by me, so it is frustrating to have them all deleted without any reference or guidance. If you could be specific, I would appreciate it. I also disagree that the inaugural Group C race is 'trivial' - this is now a significant series and the results are there to show the car against similar GT cars. CARX (talk) 10:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by CARX (talk • contribs) 10:05, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

You left this on my talk page. "The images of the XJR15's engine and suspension came from here, from an XJR-15 being restored in July 2012. Further forum posts in other threads feature the same images you uploaded to Wikipedia. The images you uploaded have been slightly stretched and have a black border added. Further, none of the other photos from this forum post have been uploaded. In fact, the car being restored has actually finished its restoration. If this was in fact your car, you would have the ability to take photos of the interior of the car when it is finished, instead of several where it is missing the steering wheel and seat" I am not sure if this is the place to respond, but I actually wrote that article about my own car, these are my own pictures. To prove it, I am about to post on there in my user name 'SteveO': "Thanks for your question. The composite appears to retain is integrity indefinitely, but starts to look a little dull, so some owners have it resin-sealed. I have saved a great deal of money by having no steel / rust to worry about."

So, please stop deleting my own photos of my own car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CARX (talk • contribs) 10:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Tom Walkinshaw Racing Article

I have accepted your edits but re-instated the second image in the index of cars built by TWR, since the alternative is to leave white space on the screen, which is not very informative. I can find no objective statement that limits the number of images in a table, and the guidance seems to be CARX (talk) 10:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)clear that "Where MOS makes provision for more than one style option, editors should not change an article from one of those options to another without a substantial reason. Revert-warring over optional styles is unacceptable.[1] If discussion cannot determine which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor". I am very happy to look into improving the style, but please help me by pointing out improvements you think I can make.

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One#Test_and_Reserve_Drivers

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One#Test_and_Reserve_Drivers.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Not classified but on position?

Hi The359, I would like to explain the reasons for the edits I have done as 87.144.241.1 and 87.144.249.201. According to the official results (example) cars that were not classified were not getting a position in the final classification. But on Wikipedia (example) they do. This means Wikipedia contradicts the sources. Wikipedia results of most recent races (like 2012 6 Hours of São Paulo, 2012 6 Hours of Bahrain, 2012 6 Hours of Fuji, 2012 6 Hours of Shanghai) already agree with the official results. I would suggest continuing it this way. Regards, --87.144.248.187 (talk) 12:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi The359, the results still need to be corrected. I am not sure if you completely understood the problems I wanted to show you. Please let me try to explain them clearly:
It appears as if you think, every starter is automatically granted a position in final classification, even if he failed to match the criteria for classification.
In case of FIA WEC that is wrong. A position is something like an award that is only granted to starters who managed to match the criteria for classification (to complete 70% of winner's distance and to see the checkered flag). Being classified is always synonymic for being awarded a position. If you check the official results of 2012 24 Hours of Le Mans, you won't find positions from 34 onwards. They simply do not exist. The starters who failed to classify are listed in order by number of laps. But this order is not comparable with positions in classification. These cars all have an empty field that stands for no position.
It appears as if you think, DNF implies not being classified.
In case of FIA WEC that is right. But in results of many other racing series a DNF doesn't imply that the starter has not been classified. For example in ALMS all starters will automatically become classified, even if they fail to finish. So DNF can only be an indicator about if a starter has not been classified for those readers who have the background knowledge how classification is done in this series.
It would be logical handling it this way (like it is done in official documents):
  • A position gives information about if a starter has been classified.
  • A DNF gives information about if a starter has seen the checkered flag. It doesn't depend on if he has become classified.
Regards, --87.144.244.21 (talk) 23:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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ANI

I started a discussion at WP:ANI about Dave Bowman, although I don't know why I am notifying you since we are apparently the same person. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:04, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

2013 Le Mans reserve list withdrawals

Officially confirmed with the latest variant of the entry list at http://www.24h-lemans.com/wpphpFichiers/1/1/ressources/Pdf/2013/24-heures-du-mans/entry-list-24-heures-du-mans-2013.pdf Vikirad (talk) 15:42, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Championship Leader table

I was just continuing on from the table in the 2012 season article. In any case, the prose doesn't say which driver was leading after each race or the points lead after each race. KytabuTalk 07:07, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

That's what we have individual race articles for though. Information specific to a grand prix should be located on the Grand Prix article, not tabled in the season summary. --Falcadore (talk) 10:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I think it is informative to be seeing the table containing information about the race lead for all the races (at one glance) and that generalizes the purpose of the table, it no longer is specific to any particular grand prix. I say the table should be re-instated.Amit Dash (talk) 13:10, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Zytek history

I responded on my talk page, don't know if you're following it or not, so I thought I'd give you a head's-up. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 09:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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Ignoring motivated inputs by fans and misjudging relevance of small changes to a page

I asked a question, please answer whenever you have time.

Hi. I do understand that Wikipedia needs some sort of control about the edits but I think it is ignorant to just say that some contributions are irrelevant. Every person being enthusiastic about the Le Mans 24 Hours would agree to the statement that Le Mans is also a special race because of its drivers, so I think that short informations about "who is who" of the starter grid is NOT IRRELEVANT. Also, if you don't want to read the footnote, you don't have to. But fans of Le Mans will be happy to read such infos on the race page of Le Mans 1983: Edit Le Mans 1983
Please revert it back, respect my motivation to make some wiki pages better than they are today (e.g. Le Mans 1983).
--Arnage74 (talk) 09:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Le Monstre is a nickname for Cunningham #2, Petit Pataud for Cunningham #3 !!!

Dear The359, why are you just rejecting additions that are correct! Petit Pataud is the correct nickname for the car #3 (called Clumsy Pup in english), whereas #2 got the nickname Le Monstre! Did you just reject it only because I did the enrichment of the page?

The french nickname is mentioned in this book as well as on the official photo archive page of the RevsInstitue

Please revert your rejection. Thanks. --Arnage74 (Talk) 11:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Work together to get Eagle MkIII to GA?

Hey there,

Not that we don't all have a zillion projects on our plate, but I dragged out my copies of Dan Gurney's Eagle Racing Cars and Inside IMSA's Legendary GTP Race Cars to get an article going for the Eagle MkIII. It's pending on DYK, but I'm wondering if you'd be interested in collaborating to improve it to GA. I've never gotten an article to that stage so I'm not quite all sure what it takes. Thanks! NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Tucker/Dolan

Ooh yeah, good point. That had completely slipped out of my (still) jet-lagged mind! That may be worth sticking on the category page; I know we have the generic Le Mans competitors category to cover off the invitationals, so it would basically be repetition on my parts with the WEC category, considering that they are invitational entries. That's not to say that they could hypothetically reappear in the series at a later round, however unlikely that it may occur to be, but it may be best to leave them out until such an occasion arises? Craig(talk) 01:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes of course, that could be the prerequisite for the category then; full-season entries in which drivers accrue points towards the respective championship standings. Of course, that can be worded in a better form! Jota did Silverstone last year if memory serves me well, but I have absolutely no problem with the category being condensed. I imagine there may be a few more than the two you have listed, so it may be a worth a second set of eyes on it. Craig(talk) 01:59, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Port Imperial

Is it really so difficult for you to actually contribute to the debate you're trying to promote? It's all well and good for you to want the page to be kept stable, but you know perfectly well that there has been no progress in any direction. So I find it very odd that you have the power to help find a resolution, but have consistently avoided contributing and instead chosen to ask everyone to find a resolution. You're not helping. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:17, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I've relisted the Port Imperial edit-war at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Prisonermonkeys and User:Djflem reported by User:The359, relisted by User:Falcadore (Result: ) --Falcadore (talk) 01:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
So much for the wikibreak. Really not doing that well at all. --Falcadore (talk) 01:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

RADICAL ARTICLE YO

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various reversions

I did miss the links on the other side of the table at 1000 km Catalunya, but to be fair, all the other similar LMS series pages I happened to check (see 1000 km Spa and 1000 km Silverstone, for instance) link the years. The link text "report" is not very intuitive to me for an encyclopedia (the article being linked to is not a news report - it's an article about the race and anything notable related to it). It would be much better, in my opinion, to eliminate that column completely and use the style of the other articles, for consistency if nothing else.

I would make the same comment regarding the other reversions you made (2007 Le Mans Series season and 2008 Le Mans Series season). As a first-time visitor to the page, I expected the table listing the races for a season to link to that season's race, not the general page for all iterations of that event over the years. And again, the link text "Results" does not seem intuitive (or appropriate?). The article for a given race would theoretically deal with any notable content related to that race, and would not be limited in scope to just the results themselves (though I'd be perfectly happy with a "results" link that linked directly to the results section).

I will leave these articles alone, rather than irk the active editors there, but I think the links and tables as currently implemented are counterintuitive and probably would confuse visitors not already familiar with the convention in use there. Regards.

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Future Editing

My bad, I thought that commenting out the likely "possible outcome" is fine. I won't do it again. And at the same time I learn a lot from editing Wikipedia sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StandNThrow (talk • contribs) 16:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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1000 km of Nürburgring

The reason the Class Winners table was added, was to show that two classes ("B" & "GTP") did not have any finishes, and not intended as a duplication of the above classification. I would prefer if this is brought to my attention, rather than someone just removing data first. LordAnon of Essex (talk)

User The359 likes to just remove new fruitful inputs, only because HE thinks they are not interesting.... not thinking that others would appreciate the input... At least there are other results in Google Search that bring the expected inputs besides wikipedia --Indianapolis74 (talk) 19:35, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

LMS season edits

[4] thanks for that, I hadn't bothered checking the Italian language version, simply because I'd expected it to just be the same as the English one! I've fixed my article to fit. :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 11:35, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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List of Formula One race edits songs

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March 2014

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on March 92S. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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I'm not surprised that user The359 like edit wars... He only accepts inputs that he finds useful, not thinking any seconds about whether other might love the input... I would ban The359 from all edits for 1 week...--Indianapolis74 (talk) 19:32, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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user GVnayR

I saw now the message you left for him. Please watch his edits with more attention, he tend to add loads of crap (not only in Wikipedia). Regards. --83.132.186.8 (talk) 19:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Le Mans 2014 - NEW RACE CARS

Why do you insist on not having a chapter about new cars? For a race fan like me (especially Le Mans Fan) it is absolutely against all rules why we (fans) should not make the wiki page as we all want it. Accept more inputs, even if you think it is not interesting, for many 1000 other fans it might be interesting... You sound a bit arrogant, just ignoring something without explaining WHY you don't want it... --Indianapolis74 (talk) 19:29, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

ITN credit

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