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December 2016 at Women in Red

File:Roza Shanina.jpg December 2016
	Two new topics for our online editathons Women in Aviation and Women in the Military Our geographical topic of the month is Caribbean Women During the period of 21 Nov - 8 Dec, we are also supporting BBC 100 Women Women in Red

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Ata Kando

Dear SusanW, Thank you so much for creating the article Ata Kandó! Best Wishes, Jamesmcardle^(talk) 00:55, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanksgiving for your work too

Hi Susun, I see your great work for 100 Women. You added a column with "third row" in it etc. Can you explain? I'm hoping there is a big PD picture of all of them. (I dream). Victuallers (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Victuallers the rows refer to the row the photo of the person is on. They were in rows of five in the link at the top of the grid. SusunW (talk) 17:18, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving

Danke

Variedades de calabaza
Happy Thanksgiving with a variety of pumpkins

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda. Am having an amazing Thanksgiving holiday. We have been cooking for 3 days. If any of the guests walk away hungry, they were not trying hard enough. SusunW (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

What do you think about Alice Bota? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Address Collection

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Curacao article

Interesting, would be good to see it up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin America/The 10,000 Challenge!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld, long been fascinating to me. Yoninah agreed to help me with it. So, I'm just starting. Do you have a Caribbean challenge? Since we are focused on the Caribbean this month at WiR, we will hopefully generate a bunch of articles, but many of the Caribbean islands aren't exactly Latin American, and if they are lumped with Latin America, usually the much smaller places in the Caribbean don't get much attention. (That is surely the case in our activist work). I'll add it where ever you think best, as soon as we get a bit more written. Just barely getting the ribcage on so to speak ;) SusunW (talk) 19:03, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

The challenge includes Caribbean as there's not enough support for a separate one!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Always the step-child. So Dr. Blofeld should I add my other Caribbean women too? For example Isabella Ribeiro de Cabral (Trinidad) and Leila Yates (Cayman Islands)? SusunW (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes if you can, as we don't currently have any entries for the Caribbean!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Ljubov Golanchikova

I'm coming across a number of sources which maintain she was born in Viljandi, now in Estonia. For example [1], [2]. In Estonia, her name is written Golantšikova. It is stated that there is a record of her baptism in the Greek Orthodox church in Viljandi. I don't know if there is any way we can verify this. In any case, I think it would be useful to have a section of the article on her names and possible birthplaces. I won't be working any more on the article today if you want to return to it.--Ipigott (talk) 17:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Ipigott I totally agree. Feel free to add whatever you think is necessary. I think it is important to have the section because the naming situation is so complex and obviously effects sourcing. I'll do it if you want me to but you are so much better at all the languages than I am. SusunW (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Russian article also says Estonia. [3] I am puzzled why there is confusion of her birth date if her birth and christening record exists. Urgggggg!

We have one very active Estonian editor, ExRat. I wonder if s/he would be in a position to investigate the records in Viljandi (or advise on how we could go about it). I see s/he has also been editing the article on Viljandi.--Ipigott (talk) 09:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I've put together something on her names (and in so doing messed up your beautiful Harvard referencing). I've also added comments for you on the Dutch and French newspaper snippets. The French one gives the location of the crash when flying to Paris. Would you like to clean the whole thing up and move it to main space. We can then more easily invite others to contribute.--Ipigott (talk) 13:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Not to worry, Ipigott. I so appreciate the help. I would be very glad to have ExRat chime in. I think, a lot of the confusion is from promotional press. They wanted her to be bigger than life, so why say she was from Viljandi, which international audiences had never heard of. Why say she was a vaudeville singer and dancer, when it would make a better story if she danced at the Bolshoi? In these situations, I usually find that the closer the reports are to the time of the event, the more accurate and that primary sources may be needed to clarify what is true and what is "colorful". SusunW (talk) 14:55, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Toivo Kitvel is obviously an expert and has written several books on Estonian planes and aviators. I was not able to find an email address for him but ExRat may be able to contact him. I think he is connected to the Technical University in Tallinn. See this for example.--Ipigott (talk) 15:14, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I hope he will help us. I am very curious, as that article, gives a dob of 1884. Everything else that has a date says 1889. When we finish, Ipigott I think it would be good to put the talk page discussions from here and SvG's page on the talk page of the article. Unless you object. It may help someone else who is interested in her. SusunW (talk) 15:19, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

By all means move all the discussions to the article's talk page. I don't think it was Kitvel who added the birth data. The one who started the page was Ralph Cooper who has an email contact at the bottom of the page. Unfortunately he does not appear to have been active since 2013.--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

BBC Women

Hi Susun, did you mention a woman who followed reindeer? If yes, would you please let me know her name? Thanks! --Rosiestep (talk) 19:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Rosiestep yes. Lubov Russkina 100 Women (BBC)#2015 (On another note, I put my category question on the WiR talk page.) SusunW (talk) 19:45, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks for all you work on BBC 100 Women. I was side-tracked all day yesterday on The Wood Nymph. The BBC are now inviting everyone to take part in their editathons. Remember we were talking about simplifying the rules for newbies? Well just look at the BBC video on that page. Five easy steps presented in just two minutes! Let's see what comes out of it. I suppose people will start joining today. And it's just as well the 100 Women article was not deleted. The red lists we worked on are included in the video.--Ipigott (talk) 09:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Except, someone removed most of the red links, sigh! It was a crazy day.SusunW (talk) 14:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Carmelite Sarah Brewer

With your talents for research, you might like to look at Carmelite Sarah Brewer which is up for deletion.--Ipigott (talk) 07:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Ipigott Thanks! I'm on it. Lots of sources. SusunW (talk) 14:54, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Amazing how many notable BBC editathon people have been prodded. I'm working on some of the others. There's an interesting discussion you might to look at on the WiR talk page. Looks to me as if we'll have to do far more to make sure women are properly documented on Wikidata.--Ipigott (talk) 15:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Ipigott I have found this editathon more exhausting than any of the others. Have worked on 4 articles that were marked with issues and done extensive re-working on them. It definitely points to the facts that pre-screened lists with sources are preferred, very few people understand what RS are, bias is alive and well, and I hate housekeeping (in whatever form it takes LOL). On the Wikidata front. I input all of mine via that gadget. I have been adding the ones I cleaned up as well and was surprised there were so many that had not been entered, since I know Tagishsimon has worked feverishly to try to input them. SusunW (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed all the work you have been doing on saving some of the new articles. As always you've been doing a great job. As for Wikidata, I think it's a good central despository but if it cannot be properly maintained, it won't be much good for metrics on articles by newbies. I saw all this coming when the BBC put out their over-simplified video on how to edit Wikipedia but I didn't think there'd be quite so much cleaning up to do afterwards. Maybe some of our recent technical experts can up with more reliable metrics based on Wikipedia itself. In spite of all our reactions, I think there must have been some progress on the learning curve for all concerned.--Ipigott (talk) 15:59, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Beulah Bettersworth cleanup

Per your request, I am explaining my justification for revising the above article. I first dived into it merely to correct a typo (Sculptors vs. Sculptor's). But when I got into it, I was amazed at the crazy and unneeded complexity of the refs. Accordingly, I decided to move the refs to where nearly all other WP articles put them - at the text where they are referenced. In so doing, I shortened the article by over 16 percent, without losing any info. I have never seen that system before, and I hope to never see it again. Thanx for your question.--Spray787 (talk) 01:24, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Spray787 Harvard referencing is the preferred style for Good Articles and Featured Articles and is far more accurate for citing page numerations than the standard WP citation style. It is neither "crazy" or "unneeded complexity", but rather a standard referencing format. Fixing a typo is one thing. Completely changing the reference style to suit your own taste is unusual, to say the least. SusunW (talk) 01:54, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Query

Hi, I noticed that you have access to Cambridge Journals. I do too and I've been struggling with the search function within Cambridge Core. Is there perhaps a tutorial that I can refer to make searching more efficient? I've been struggling to be able to find relevant information. For example, if I search for "Sonke Neitzel" (in quotes), the search returns mentions of "Sonke" and "Neitzel" separately. sample.

Is there a better way to use the search function? K.e.coffman (talk) 04:49, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

K.e.coffman Wish I knew the answer. I have the same problem with EBSCO. What I usually do is search in scholar like [4] and then access the Cambridge. Does that make sense? If you find an easier way, I'd love to know it. SusunW (talk) 05:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Festive greetings!

A barnstar of deep recognition for all your efforts on Women in Red throughout the year. Enjoy the end of year festivities and prepare to put more women on the world map in 2017. --Ipigott (talk) 09:06, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Ian It means a lot to be involved in a project with great people that are moving the needle of history to be more inclusive and more "real". If I could express how much your help on so many articles means, I would. Looking forward to our collaboration for 2017! SusunW (talk) 16:51, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Me too, Susun. You've been an inspiration to many more. Let's work on GAs together next year. Your choice.--Ipigott (talk) 19:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Ian, I am truly looking forward to it. I think our first order of business is to finish Karen Blixen, then maybe work on Maria de Villegas de Saint-Pierre. We'll see where we go from there. SusunW (talk) 19:45, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Glad you remembered Karen Blixen. We just have to find more time to do her justice. Top priority for 2017 for me.--Ipigott (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Smallbones. Hope that you and yours have a lovely holiday season filled with many memories, love and laughter. SusunW (talk) 15:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

An award for your contributions

These virtual BBC 100 Women freebies are for you. Thank you for your contributions to our very successful BBC 100 Women editathon Hundreds of articles were created in thirteen countries.
	WiR/WMUK/BBC 100 Women worldwide online edit-a-thon Hosts: BBC, Women in Red, Wikimedia UK December 2016

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(See you at our next event Women in Philosophy online edit-a-thon) Victuallers (talk) 13:55, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to all!

	We wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year 2017!
	Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas, and a Happy, Glorious, Prosperous New Year! God bless!  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 11:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Sven wishing the same to you and yours. SusunW (talk) 15:04, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Merry Christmas from me! Thanks for your company during 2016. We have seen the percentage of articles on women rise from 15% to 16.77%. 20% is within our grasp and that's an increase of 11% over what we first found. Victuallers (talk) 13:55, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Victuallers for all of your help. Looking forward to our work in the next year. Hope you and yours have a joyous holiday season. SusunW (talk) 15:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy Festivus!

	Happy Festivus
	Air grievances, enjoy meatloaf (vegetarian or not) and challenge others in feats of strength! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Hope you and yours enjoy the season, stay warm and are able to be productive and remain steadfast. Looking forward to what we can accomplish together in the coming year. SusunW (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas 2016

Merry Cristmas everybody!!!

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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Thanks Titodutta hope you have a happy holiday season. SusunW (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Holiday card

Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas, SusunW!

"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw(talk) 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Montanabw Thank you! Hope you have a wonderful holiday season. May it be filled with lots of love and laughter. Wishing you health and happiness in 2017. SusunW (talk) 14:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Address Collection - 1st reminder

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AddisWang I tried to go to that talk page, but it says it doesn't exist. Mailing me anything is quite impossible. Even from the U.S. it takes over 30 days to arrive and that is IF I get it. While mail service in Yucatán exists, it is not very reliable. Thus, there is no point in your making the effort. SusunW (talk) 21:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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January 2017 at Women in Red

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Women in aviation

You're working so hard on this one! I appreciate your efforts. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

) Thanks Carbon Caryatid blame it on Megalibrarygirl, she inspired me! Decade by decade is slow going, but we're getting there. SusunW (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@SusunW and Carbon Caryatid: It is slow going! The information is out there, but doesn't seem to have been collected together too often. What we're putting together will be a useful resource to people. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:18, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Your joint work on Timeline of women in aviation has been especially useful, not only for presenting an overall, international picture but also for introducing a number of red links which deserve attention. Unfortunately both the Aviator and Military editathons have failed to attract wide interest, no doubt partly as result of all the attention many of us have had to give to the BBC event. Let's hope we can progress a bit further over the next few days.--Ipigott (talk) 10:13, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Ipigott I'm puzzled at the lack of work on aviators and military. They are fascinating to me. But, by creating the red lists, people can work on them whenever they want, so hopefully that is a plus. SusunW (talk) 15:29, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Ditto. Noticed by me, too, Susun. You are making a dent! --Rosiestep (talk) 15:50, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Rosiestep! One woman at a time :) We need all the help we can get. Anybody @Ipigott, Megalibrarygirl, and Carbon Caryatid: want to weigh in on that mystery, Ruthie Tu, first Chinese woman pilot licensed in 1932. I think she is Zhang Ruifen It puzzled me that I could find no references. Tu is NOT a Chinese surname. So I went to WP china and found this woman, who was Chinese, whose father did a lot of business in the US. This says "In March 1932, Zhang Ruifang became the first Chinese woman to receive a US flight license". More digging leads me to think she is this woman Katherine Sui Fun Cheung, because this says "Today, if you search for the International Women in Aviation Pioneer Hall of Fame, we can still easily find Katherine Cheung, associated English name."..."Seems that instead of using the Western name to mark the legend from China, do not let us simply remember Katherine Cheung, her name was Zhang Ruifen." There are other links from the Chinese article [5], [6] which give details corresponding to details in the Cheung article. I get that Ruifen and Ruthie are easily confused. How you get to Tu from Zhang, I have no clue, but seems to me the dots all connect. How do we fix this? SusunW (talk) 17:06, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Extremely interesting. You've obviously been doing a lot of research but is there there anything in the Chinese article on Zhang Ruifen that indicates she was an aviator? If you think there is a relationship maybe you could raise it with WikiProject China or just continue your research. Otherwise build on Katherine Sui Fun Cheung, perhaps also on its talk page.--Ipigott (talk) 17:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Ipigott all of the information on Zhang say she is China's first woman aviator, licensed in the US in 1932. All of it overlaps the information of Cheung. And I just made the connection between Tu and Cheung. Don't know where the Sui Fun part comes in Cheung's name, but there is a short clip from an indigogo site where someone was trying to earn money to make a film it sounds like the pronunciation is Tsu. Maybe AddisWang can give me some direction on who might help. SusunW (talk) 17:31, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

OK. I've roped in my sister to see if she can figure it out. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:52, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks Megalibrarygirl I get that we aren't supposed to do OR, but I think the Chinese piece that appears to link the two women is clear. No doubt in my mind that Katherine Cheung and Ruifen Zhang are the same person. The references to Ruthie Tu, being the first licensee are what threw me off and I am now thinking that oft repeated fact is a mistake. If Sui Fun is a transliteration of Ruifen and Ruifen is a bastardization to Ruthie, and Sui could be pronounced as Tsu, it all seems to tie together. But I'd rather someone who does speak or at least read Chinese confirm it. (Would that we had a copy of that first license to see what the name actually was). SusunW (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

No problem. She'll have access to better resources in China. She lives over there. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

• Are we any nearer to sorting out this mystery?--Ipigott (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Funny you should ask Ipigott. I was just reading through material Sue's sister sent. Am positive that Cheung and Zhang are one and the same and that she was the first Chinese woman to be a licensed pilot, though licensed in the U.S. (She wasn't the first unlicensed pilot, Zhang Xiahun (張俠魂), nor the first woman to be licensed *in* China, Lee Ya-Ching). The major details of their life stories are identical. I was also in the process of writing to the Institute for Women Of Aviation Worldwide to see if they can clarify their information that Tu was the first pilot. I really think they are the source of the error. SusunW (talk) 16:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

@Ipigott and Megalibrarygirl: Okay, I have an answer and not an answer. Ruthy Tu was Tu Guan-chiao, per the IWAW. That was indeed helpful, as I found her in Taiwan. [7] and she is clearly NOT Zhang/Cheung. I am still working on merging the data on Zhang into Cheung. Everything is the same. Same birth date, same death date, same kids, husband, same everything, so I am positive, that they are one person. Tu, now appears to be someone totally different, BUT, Zhang/Cheung got her license on 30 March 1932], so for Tu to be the first, she'd have had to get it between January 1 and March 29th. Also interesting, the IWAW, e-mail said "...the English version of Wikipedia categorizes female pilots as “female aviators” instead of “aviatrices”, the proper term, or just women pilots...it is quite offending to most of us and quite shocking that such ‘modern’ encyclopedia would use such outdated terms". I found that to be telling, since the moratorium on the name determined aviatrix was sexist. I do think that the category should be renamed from female aviators. I am also in a quandary as to why when I try to link Cheung's article to the Chinese one, it says that they are already linked. Maybe Tagishsimon can figure it out? SusunW (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

The EN and the ZH articles each were linked to discrete wikidata items; this being the case, it was not possible to link the EN article to the wikidata item for the ZH article. Solution was to merge the two wikidata items, which I've done. The EN article now points to the ZH article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:24, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Ummmmmm, what I heard, "I waved my magic wand and made it work" :) Thanks! Tagishsimon, your skills are invaluable. SusunW (talk) 01:25, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Good work, everyone! As for the category "female aviators", it could perhaps be changed to "women aviators" but "pilot" has been avoided for aviators as it can also refer to harbour pilots, etc. As SusunW knows, as an Englishman I find "women" used as a qualifier of gender rather strange but I am willing to accept American usage in an American encyclopaedia. But if we change "female" to "woman" here, it will probably need to be changed in all the other "female" categories. Quite a job! In regard to "aviatrix", to me it seems to be no more sexist than "actress" which is widely used in categories. But that's another story!--Ipigott (talk) 13:59, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy 2017

Happy new year :-)

--Camelia (talk) 12:19, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Same to you Camelia. Here's to hoping that we have a lot of excellent editing in the year to come. SusunW (talk) 17:52, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy 2017!

Wishing good health and happiness as we start the new year! --Rosiestep (talk) 19:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Rosie! Same to you. It will be an interesting year for sure. SusunW (talk) 19:06, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Internet Archive

There are times some of their books have the images removed. Learned this while working with Dr. B. on The Tower House; one of the books had all images removed even though it was well within PD guidelines in both the UK & US. Much of the time, a copy of the book, etc. is at HathiTrust, so if you can check there, or get someone else to do that, you'll find the missing images there. ;) We hope (talk) 15:39, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I did not know that books in archive.org sometimes had their images removed if the books were in PD. Good reminder to check Hathitrust too. I use both often, but I figured if the pictures were blank in one, they would be in the other too. Honestly, a picture is worth a thousand words. I always try to find an image. PD is often hard. If I can upload an image as fair use, I figure at some point will become PD. Besides, there are lovely people like you who can help with sourcing and verifying whether copyright has expired or it was published. :) SusunW (talk) 15:48, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

February 2017 at Women in Red

February 2017
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Vikings (season 3) - Amy Bailey

Ugh, thx. Must've not checked that one. 124.168.106.61 (talk) 02:54, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Lottie Estelle Granger

Good morning. :) After working on Lottie Estelle Granger, I happened across another "first woman" in education, this one being the first woman president of the Oklahoma Education Association: Susan R. Fordyce.[8] Figured as today is the last day of the education editathon, I'd share her name with you in case you're interested in follow-up. But if you're busy with other things, no worries! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:20, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Rosiestep I have spent a several hours researching her. At this point, would be OR to create an article. SusunW (talk) 19:04, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Susun. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Kim Yeshi

I see this is becoming a repository for famous women requiring attention! Joking apart, I came upon Kim Yeshi by accident after searching for modern anthropologists on various search engines. I do not usually write articles on American nationals as I think we need more balance with the rest of the world but I found that despite considerable achievements, this one had not been picked up, perhaps because she was brought up in France with a Greek father. Anyway, given your tremendous powers of investigation and revelation, I wondered if you would like to contribute to expanding the article and perhaps bringing it up to GA. I have been particularly impressed by the way she not only rallied the Tibetan monks in creating dolls for worldwide exposure but also in her successful efforts to make a thriving international business for Tibetan citizens out of yak wool. My efforts on Wikipedia have been considerably reduced at the moment as we have just sold our house in Brittany and are preparing for everything to be moved to Luxembourg. This is also why I have not made as much progress on the works of Karen Blixen as I would have liked but I do intend to get back her soon. There is a nice French saying for excuses such as this: --Ipigott (talk) 15:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll be glad to look at it Ian after I finish my article for today. I am working on a project that may take me all month, as I want to do her justice. She was a huge figure in UNIA and though born in Louisiana worked in Nicaragua and Jamaicon Blixen,a for much of her life. I guess you noticed, I did one of Blixen's books, but I found it extremely daunting. Art, as my husband says either speaks to you or it doesn't. I find it really hard to synthesize critiques of works. What may hold true for them is totally subjective. Intangible things for me are open to possibilities and I have a very difficult time limiting them to someone's viewpoint, regardless of their expert opinion. I do much better with biographies, buildings, places—tangibles. Good luck with your move. SusunW (talk) 16:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

SusunW: Your latest interest seems to be Maymie de Mena from Louisiana who fits in 100% with our February Black Women initiative. On Blixen, I see you made a good contribution on Last Tales. I'm sorry her works do not appeal to you. It is certainly true that she was part of the colonialist, aristocratic occupation of Kenya but my own research indicates she was far more sensitive to the needs of the native population unlike most of her contemporaries. But I understand your feelings. Maybe you could look a little more closely at Kim Yeshi as I think she has made an exceptional contribution to Tibetan culture. (Between you and me, I met the Dalai Lama in Copenhagen when he visited Denmark in the early 2000s. We met as we had meetings in the same administrative buidling.) I know you are not so interested in religion but I think we need to document those who try to open religious communities up to worldwide attetion. If I can help you with Mayie (who seems to have French connections), please let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 17:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. Yes, Maymie de Mena is going to be hard, but she was a huge figure. On Blixen, it isn't that I don't like her works. I've never read them. What I don't like is people speculating on what she meant, what her motives were, what the reader should get out of it. All artistic works either speak to someone or they don't. Whether someone says this is a "great artist" is totally unimportant, if they speak to me. It isn't Blixen I have an issue with. She was in many ways quite remarkable, especially for her time. It is those who tell us who she was that I have a problem with. I'm guessing I'll have the same issue with de Mena, but a little less so because not nearly as much has been written about her. SusunW (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Great to have such informative responses instead of the blatant criticism we often get on this site. I certainly agree Maymie is one of the forgotten figures who needs to be revived. On Blixen, I think we need to look at both sides of the spectrum. I actually had the (possibly mistaken) impression that her acceptance stated in the United States. Again it's no doubt a conflict between primary and other resources.--Ipigott (talk) 18:59, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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Precious two years!

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Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Hard to imagine how time flies. SusunW (talk) 18:44, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

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Violeta Autumn page

I have been reading all of the wonderful words from the WikiProject Women in Red - thank you for your help on trying to get my first two pages published! The Violeta Autumn one I have been struggling with and I changed the name to include her maiden name thinking that would help. I wonder if it should go back to being Violeta Autumn, you can see one of her titleblocks here: http://lbkarp.com/cliff/Violeta%27s%20Cliff%20House%20Sheet%201.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sausalitoarchitect (talk • contribs) 20:58, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Sausalitoarchitect it should be called Violeta Autumn, but don't worry about that now. Let's just get it in shape to take it to mainspace. By the by, I have access to both newspapers.com and newspaperarchive.com. When you get a few more articles under your belt, you can apply for your own access to them in the Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library. Those two sources, I have found absolutely critical for writing articles about women, as they are rarely covered in books. For older materials that are out of copyright, i.e. pre-1925, [Hathitrust] is fabulous. Megalibrarygirl is a librarian and part of WiR. She is also a great source for finding sourcing and is very willing to help. She has access to HighBeam, which I don't have. Rosiestep is the organizer of WiR and though very busy, is also really, really helpful and Ipigott is a polyglot, he knows technology as well as languages, just to name a few you can reach out to. SusunW (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Sausalitoarchitect Absolutely! Feel free to email me any time for help/references, etc. ;) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:12, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Just one last thing, Sausalitoarchitect. When you write on talk pages, don't forget to sign off with four tildes ~~~~ . (You'll probably be able to get them by clicking on them in the "Wiki markup" at the bottom of the page.) And if you ever run into any more trouble, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 15:42, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Category:People from Nor Yungas Province, Bolivia

On the face of it: I don't have any objection to this, or any other such category for the provinces of Bolivia. Anything that can make the parent categories smaller is a good thing, in my book.

That being said, there is currently no Category:Nor Yunegas Province, so I'd probably create that as well before creating the "people" category. It will add a bit more useful structure to the category tree.

Also...I don't believe there is such a category for any other province of Bolivia. That's not disqualifying, in and of itself...having said that, I'd look at creating a few more by-province and people-by-province categories to surround this one. It would be more helpful, I think, if it wasn't the only one around.

But no...on the face of it, I don't think there's anything wrong with the category itself.

Hope this is helpful - happy editing! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:43, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

March 2017 at Women in Red

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