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You know the rules, it was your edit that was contested, YOU need to take it to the talk page. Bacondrum (talk) 23:10, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, you added the bit about a conspiracy theory - that's what I'm objecting to. StAnselm (talk) 23:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stop icon This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Fraser Anning, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Your actions are borderline edit warring, StAnselm. Repeatedly removing a sourced statement about Fraser Anning's endorsement of the "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory, despite being repeatedly warned against doing so, is entering the territory of vandalism and it shall be halted accordingly. Stop trying to blank sourced data. Adrian Fey (talk) 02:20, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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FYI, 4RR

Hi, you've breached 3RR. Would you kindly self-revert? PeterTheFourth (talk) 07:07, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, I claimed an exemption to 3RR because BLP violations must be removed. StAnselm (talk) 07:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Ivey

Thanks for your response and civility. After you reverted my edit, I looked at your history for the past few days and noticed the title of the edit, and used it as my own subject line. But having read your subsequent response I saw that you had reverted the same text on the same day it was posted, April 25, 2018. Since you're so prolific on Wikipedia, you had possibly forgotten that. Hopefully we'll get some feedback from other editors. Activist (talk) 11:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure what you're saying: if you're talking about this edit, it was a partial restoration of some material added by a new editor. A salvage job, if you like. StAnselm (talk) 11:07, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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R. C. Sproul Jr. - Reverted good faith edit

R. C. Sproul Jr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._C._Sproul_Jr.

Hi, thank you for your experience in regards to this article and the stats on Mrs Sproul Jr's marriages. I have a great deal of respect for RC Sproul Sr and wish to cover matters wisely with his son.

I certainly agree that the website ( http://rc-sproul-jr.blogspot.com/2019/04/rc-sproul-jr-abandons-reformed-faith.html ) would not be considered a reliable source under most circumstances, however, Mrs Sproul Jr herself is the source within the website. She entered a long detailed entry which included the statement: "Yes, I have had four marriages and whether or not I say it was their fault or mine, nonetheless it is the choices I live with." On the source I included the name and time of her entry for easy reference:

Source location: "Lisa Sproul4:21 PM" (Wednesday, April 03, 2019)

I think it best to err on the side of grace and would not having included this information except that she made it public knowledge on the internet.

You are the pro, though, and I'm relatively a new. What do you think?

Beth Timken (talk) 03:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for one thing, it's not verifiable. How do we know it was really her? StAnselm (talk) 05:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input ...that was my first concern, too!

The questions I asked myself were -- why would someone with a grudge against Sproul Jr write a long and lengthy detailed defense of him in his wife's name? In the reverse, why would a friend of Sproul Jr write a long and lengthy detailed defensive him in his wife's name? His wife has had a clear online presence and is very capable to write any defense, herself.

The tone and character of the writing is consistent with the other writings Mrs Sproul Jr has online. The knowledge she has about her husband's upcoming book release is also an indicator that she is the writer.

The details about her prior marriages are confirmed by her Facebook account with her relationships with her children and stepchildren.

I think if we apply Occam's razor, the fair conclusion is the writer is who they claims to be -- Mrs Sproul Jr.

What are your thoughts? Beth Timken (talk) 19:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts are that we should follow Wikipedia policies and not use self-published sources in biographies of living people. It's also irrelevant for this article, though it would be relevant for a biography of Lisa Sproul. StAnselm (talk) 20:35, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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If you still don't think this information should be included I'll leave it as is. Just let me know. Beth Timken (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I still don't think so. The above guidelines might apply on Lisa's article (if she had one) but not on RC's. StAnselm (talk) 23:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you please roll back your edits as i consider them unwarrented or vandalism. Bodconn (talk) 11:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The content removed was secular, legal status along with other contributor content. There is no clerical confligtation as the talk page was open to broad planetary references and religious leaders stating that prayer is only of use when accompanied by suitable corrective actions. So with respect will you rollback the edits. I have no interest in ancient anthropologic theories. The issue is the confligration of clerical spiritulism being used as a tool to obstruct secular legal discussion, a mild case of the red and the blue napolionic war.... with more modern casualties unfortunately. Is this a bias as written above but not outlining other legal states responses, adoption is not expect but to have the ability to review would be usefull. Bodconn (talk) 13:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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List of pressie and reformed denominations in australia

The reason I added the eschatology column was to give the Ulster pressies their historic premil focus. I just added post/amill for the others for this purpose. I think it's important to keep it in. --One Salient Oversight (talk) 02:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but you need to source it for all the other denominations. That will be almost impossible. StAnselm (talk) 02:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What about combining "Gospel offer" and "Eschatology" into a column called "Distinctives"? StAnselm (talk) 03:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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My reply to your recent actions on the Rod Dreher page

The user StAnselm recently removed extensive, carefully sourced additions to this article (made by me). He gave the rationale that these additions were recently challenged. This is incorrect. Prior additions to these had been challenged; these more recent additions are different and met the objections in the previous challenge - that is, they relied on secondary rather than primary sources, cited multiple sources, included qualifications relating to Dreher's disavowal of some of the language in "Camp of the Saints", and used neutral, non-POV language.

StAnselm also removed information regarding a controversy related to Tommy Curry, citing "undue weight" and "relying on a single source". The sourcing can easily be rectified - the controversy, and Dreher's role in it, was widely reported - including in Snopes, the Guardian, the Chronicle of Higher Education and elsewhere. I do not understand the attribution of "undue weight" - how can it not be notable or significant that Dreher published a misleading excerpt from a talk which resulted in significant racial harassment and intimidation of a scholar, an action which has been widely and extensively criticized in mainstream publications, and which had significant consequences for this individual and his family? If this is not notable, then nothing in Dreher's career is.

Likewise, there is no justification for the claim that providing details of Dreher's views on sexuality, gender, race and immigration are not notable or are somehow "undue". These views, as shown in the multiple citations from mainstream and reliable publications which I provided, have aroused extensive controversy, and are thus by any definition notable and relevant. Anyone familiar with Dreher's blog and other writings will know that he publishes with extreme frequency on sexuality, gender, race and immigration: how can reporting his views on these topics be giving them undue weight, when he himself clearly gives these views significant weight? I could just as easily argue that the section on the "Benedict Option" book gives "undue weight" to this, as Dreher's blog is far more widely read than his books.

As detailed in the career section, Dreher's blog receives over a million page views per month, making him a significant and influential public figure. It is thus appropriate and reasonable that he should have a detailed Wikipedia page, which provides summaries of his major concerns and opinions, as well as the major cultural reactions that these opinions have generated. It is also entirely appropriate that instances of journalistic misconduct, as with the Curry case (which caused a major scandal and had significant effects for an individual and his family), should be reported.

I note that StAnselm retained my edits to the "Career" section, presumably because these edits reflected well on Mr Dreher. I also note that StAnselm has not changed the section on the Benedict Option book, despite this consisting mainly of some laudatory cherry-picked quotations clearly designed to place the author in a positive light. Perhaps StAnselm defines "notability" and "dueness" simply as information which happens to place Dreher in a good light? This is clearly a misinterpretation of Wikipedia's guidelines, in which "notability" and "dueness" can cover both positive and negative information.

As I say, I will add additional sourcing with respect to the Tommy Curry case. Other than this, I don't see any reasonable justification for deleting my most recent additions. Unless rationale can be provided by StAnselm or other users, I will restore them. (It could be argued that for balance the section on the Benedict Option should also be extended to include a wider range of reactions - I am happy to do this.) --Robert12345678901 (talk) 14:20, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

...for your touch-up at the Francis Chan article. I am glad for other careful attention. My only aim is to identify sourced vs unsourced content, then to check the former and to label the latter. I have no "horse in this race," so to speak, just want what is presented to be reliable to third-party sources. (With regard to those sources, I am inexpert, but believe CT to likely be reliable in this arena, and the others—well, these will have to be later checked by experts in this area of scholarship, after I am done. Cheers. 2601:246:C700:9B0:E057:9794:CB77:30A (talk) 08:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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