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Ouch

Have you left the video games side of Wikipedia for so long that you've forgotten how difficult so many casual Wikipedia writers are?
— Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Video games § Plot concerns

Oof. And as if it were even possible to forget what it's like to maintain a plot section—doomed to expand in perpetuity; the ouroboros of Wikipedia czar 22:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, maybe that was too much? I spend more time fighting nonsense like genre-warring in music articles than nonsense like plot bloat in video game articles. Maybe I’ve forgotten too. Sergecross73 msg me 22:14, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Plot is more like the hydra. --Izno (talk) 22:18, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Galaga edit war.

Hi again. Somebody going by the name TA79Bandit has been continuously reverting my edits to Galaga for a few hours now. Somebody added a world record holder table with unreliable sourcing, which I've then removed, only for him to add it back and act hostile towards me and other editors. He continues to lambast me and accuse me of intentionally removing information, and he refuses to respond to any talk page comments I've made. I've pointed him towards WikiProject Video games/Sources to show him which sources are reliable and which aren't, and seems to ignore this. I do not consider myself entirely innocent here, as I myself have likely gone over the 3RR as well (and I completely respect any action taken towards myself if such is the case), but this dude's actions are ridiculous. I fear this could jeopardize the GA nomination for the page, as I've worked really hard to get it to where it's at. Thanks again. Namcokid47 (talk) 18:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Mercury Meltdown

I'm pretty confident Mercury Meltdown is close to GA class, but it does look a little off. Do you see any glaring issues for this article? I personally don't like how I organized the Lead and the Gameplay, but I'm running on vapor.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Edit summary deletion

Hi Sergecross. Hope you've been well. I was wondering if, as an admin, you can delete this rather rude edit summary: [1]. I know it might seem a bit pedantic, but I spent a lot of time working on that article and its rather annoying to have some fly-by IP effectively disregard all the effort from myself and others because someone (probably me, I haven't checked) made a couple typos. I don't want to have to look at that every time I check the article's edit history, which is actually relatively frequently as there have been a couple disputes and vandals at the page. If there's a more appropriate place to take requests like this let me know. I haven't really had to deal with anything like this before. Damien Linnane (talk) 04:03, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

It’s rude and uncivil, but I don’t think it’s quite to the level of needing deletion. I wouldn’t worry about it though, it’ll sink down into the page history and be seen by relatively few people anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 11:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

List of music considered the worst

I know the content is in dispute, but while I was researching for a draft WP:LTA page for The abominable Wiki troll, I found that the IP address that re-added the entry back in September 2018 (WHOIS info here, edit here) and an IP address cited in an ANI discussion ("Community ban for User:The abominable Wiki troll"; WHOIS info here) share the same geolocation information - both are assigned to Sky UK broadband, based in the UK. Other IPs coming from there that have edited the page around the same time include 5.64.203.172 ([2]) and 5.71.120.78 ([3]).

I feel like it's painfully obvious at this point that the entry was not added in good faith, and that this whole ordeal reeks of WP:POINT. ElectricBurst(Electron firings)(Zaps) 22:55, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

You have been told multiple times that is not a valid rationale. Stop dwelling on all of that. There is an active dispute amongst editors who is not that editor. You cannot use that as an excuse to edit without consensus. Seriously, how many bad decisions can you make on this topic? 2 rejected RFCs. A rejected ANI report. A rejected Arbcom case. Pretty sure there were some other rejected noticeboard discussions you started too. Please stop before you get blocked for disruptive editing and wasting the community’s time with these bad decisions you keep making. Sergecross73 msg me 23:23, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Worst Music

Hey, those style errors were in the article when I edited it, wasn't me. Also, can you help me find some reliable sources? I can't find any big publications that reviewed the album, but it deserves to be on this list because it is the worst album I've ever heard and I literally can not find any good opinions on it. Almy (talk) 02:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Look at the table of contents after your edit. That was done by you. Anyways, I don’t think the sources you need exists. It was an obscure release. It was discussed on the talk page archives and little was found. Sergecross73 msg me 13:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

We Are Not Your Kind

Hi. Can you please remove alternative metal and industrial metal from the "Composition" section? The sources are not reliable. I'm surprised that nobody noticed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.41.61.113 (talk) 06:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I was going to do this, but another editor beat me to it. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Cuz I Love You

As I said, you seemingly have an idea of what rock is and Lizzo doesn't align with it, so I really doubt your issue is with the wording of that sentence in that source. You specifically picked on that source when the sources for two other genres on the page describe the album as a "mix" or the album as "switching" between genres. By your logic, we should never include genres when the source is using multiple in a "mix", "because if it were a [genre] album it wouldn't be switching or a mix"...but I doubt you checked those. Ss112 20:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Many albums are a mix of genres, and in this case, I don't see that every single song has to display that genre before we can consider the album as being rock, at least in part. I understand taking issue if one song is described as "rock", then it's not a rock album, but the genre is utilized in more than one place on the album regardless of what that source says. By your reasoning, what do we consider an album that has a song in each genre or a mix of them on each? It's happened before. I guess it's not wholly anything? This is not a good precedent. Ss112 20:28, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
It’s very standard practice (and application of WP:V) to require that a source be referring to the album as a whole when adding to the genre field of an album. As I mentioned in the edit summary, the wording clearly isn’t referring as the whole album as a rock album. I mean, there’s a reason why zero other sources exist that call it a rock album. I’d drop it in a second if there was another source that called the album rock. Sergecross73 msg me 20:37, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm well aware of the conventions surrounding the genre parameter, but there are plenty of albums that are an amalgamation of genres and then it gets murkier. This album is one of them. No source is going to refer to the album as a whole as just "rock" because it's not just rock. You seem to say "there's a reason why zero other sources exist that call it a rock album" with confidence like you know the album and the media surrounding it, but I don't think you've actually Googled the album and "rock". There seem to be at least a few other sources that mention "rock" along with several other genres in their reviews: Exclaim! says "also bringing forth soul, funk and rock for the 11-track project", Hot Press even goes so far as to say it incorporates "indie rock" here. Elle says the album spans from "soulful to rock-goddessy". While the last source is a vague description, that word does keep cropping up. I didn't add any of the genres to the page so I'm not heavily invested in what stays or goes, but there is not just one source that uses the term "rock", and like I said, no source is going to call it just a rock album because it's not just one thing, like a lot of albums are. Ss112 21:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
And I’m well aware of the amalgamation of music genre in modern music. But it doesn’t change the fact that your sources just say things like “rock elements” or “incorporates parts of rock” rather than call it a full-blown rock album. And that’s generally what we require. This talk is had with newbies and edit warriors all the time. I’m pretty shocked to be having it with you... Sergecross73 msg me 21:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm pretty shocked that you condescended to me like I'm a newbie who doesn't understand what you're saying but rather just disagrees, and that you basically went around in a circle and ignored what I said. The album is multiple genres according to basically every source—we can't be selective about which we choose to include or reduce the genres to one when sources don't say that. I just don't think you can accept that an album can be described by a source as multiple genres at once even when every source is using multiple genres to describe it. The Exclaim! review is as close to a plain description of the genres the album is that we're going to get—it doesn't say "elements" or "mix" at all. It just lists multiple genres that the album is. If you don't accept that reviews quite often say an album is multiple things at once, your genre-related ideas would seem to be at odds with everybody else's I've come across on the project and far beyond anything I can get through to you about here. I'm done. If you have any further issues about the genres, please take it to the article talk page. Thanks. Ss112 21:42, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
It baffles me why you took it here instead of the album talk page to begin with... Sergecross73 msg me 23:29, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Tilly

Hi Serge, re: this note, I don't think this user wants to edit here anymore.[4][ Not sure what their deal is. Maybe they're older, maybe there's something else going on, but they've just demonstrated a lot of general confusion[5] and maybe it's best that they go enjoy life doing other stuff. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I hadn’t realized he had said that three days ago and actually followed through on not editing since then. I’ve reverted and will only restore if he returns. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 03:45, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Good, Bad, Queen

Do you have any feelings about this? I think I'm getting lost in the discussion. Talk:The_Good,_the_Bad_&_the_Queen#Requested_move_28_August_2019 Popcornduff (talk) 00:33, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, as soon as the band article draft is published, what you’re proposing is what we almost always do. The musician is just about always the primary topic over their self-titled album. Sergecross73 msg me 02:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
But it requires an admin to move it, right? Since it's moving it to an already existing page (a redirect). I'm not entirely sure I've created the right request. Popcornduff (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
I’m not 100% sure, being an admin myself, but if you did it wrong I’ll gladly do it myself if you have a consensus. Sergecross73 msg me 21:06, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
That's kind of you, thanks. So far it just seems to be people saying they support the move, but I kinda thought I was creating an admin request. I guess I'll wait and see? Popcornduff (talk) 21:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
I think you did. I think what you did is kinda like AFD - a non-admin can close it, but generally admin answer the ones that require deletion. Sergecross73 msg me 21:15, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Johan Sundstein

I added an external link, in Faroese, mentioning Jóhan's nationality as Faroese. Apologies for any inconvinience Faroeman92 (talk) 11:51, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

That’s not the type of thing that should be verified through external links. You should be adding it as a reference. See WP:REFB on how to do this if you are unaware. For now, just discuss it on the talk page to make sure there is support for inclusion. Sergecross73 msg me 12:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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Vandalism pt 22

Serge's 22nd iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you feel may need admin intervention. Sergecross73 msg me 03:57, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

They’re mostly either a bit stale, or only made an edit or two, and are mostly disruptive get FOB, so I protected the talk page, albeit shortly, because it’s a talk page. I added it to my watchlist, so I’ll try to keep an eye on it too. Sergecross73 msg me 19:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
  • I didn’t take action, since I couldn’t truly tell if they were bad faith or misguided good-faith edits. They’ve stopped all the same, though I can look into it if they start up again. Sergecross73 msg me 02:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Do you think Team Sonic Racing is going to need protection? Anon IPs keep making efforts to soften the wording of "[it] received mixed reviews from critics" (ignoring the hidden notes) and it doesn't show any sign of stopping. JOEBRO64 00:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • I definitely think it could use protection (honestly it’d probably be helpful on any Sonic game on launch day) though I think I’m personally too WP:INVOLVED to do it myself. (I’ve reverted this a few times today myself.) Sergecross73 msg me 02:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I see this range was reported above. TarkusABtalk 21:03, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Should also show that they've been at it since 2017. Notice the similarites between [10] and [11] or how about [12] and [13] TarkusABtalk 21:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
TarkusAB - Apologies, it’s been a busy couple of weeks and I’m behind on responses. Upon glance, I believe this may be indef-blocked tripple-ddd, a troublesome editor who obsesses over Sega divisions/staff/credits, often making questionable judgement calls. He’s been caught socking like 50+ times over the last few years. I protected the Sega dev article. I’ll protect others if he continually disrupts them. Keep me posted. Sergecross73 msg me 01:58, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Wow, I had forgotten all about that guy. And yet he seemed to remember the minor dispute about emulators 5 years ago like it were yesterday. Yikes. Anyways, he said he wasn’t coming back, so I figured the “past of least resistance may just be warning. He’ll probably make less of a commotion if he thinks he left if his own accord. Please tell me if you see him around again though. Sergecross73 msg me 12:57, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Haha. I'm actually not all too familiar with Persona characters besides the fact that I could probably pound everyone in WP:VG to a pulp with him in Smash Ultimate. JOEBRO64 11:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Can we get a long range block please [14] and thank you. TarkusABtalk/contrib 13:46, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I would, but I’m still not well versed in the ways of range blocks. Ferret is usually my go-to on that, but he’s been relatively inactive lately. In the meantime, I’m more than happy to play whack-a-mole if you guys keep reporting individual IPs to me. Sergecross73 msg me 20:07, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
/32 is too wide and definitely catches other people. No comment on whether they're constructive or not. /64 reblocked for 3 years. My last block on this range had been for a year. -- ferret (talk) 22:24, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism pt 22

Serge's 22nd iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you feel may need admin intervention. Sergecross73 msg me 03:57, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

They’re mostly either a bit stale, or only made an edit or two, and are mostly disruptive get FOB, so I protected the talk page, albeit shortly, because it’s a talk page. I added it to my watchlist, so I’ll try to keep an eye on it too. Sergecross73 msg me 19:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
  • I didn’t take action, since I couldn’t truly tell if they were bad faith or misguided good-faith edits. They’ve stopped all the same, though I can look into it if they start up again. Sergecross73 msg me 02:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Do you think Team Sonic Racing is going to need protection? Anon IPs keep making efforts to soften the wording of "[it] received mixed reviews from critics" (ignoring the hidden notes) and it doesn't show any sign of stopping. JOEBRO64 00:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • I definitely think it could use protection (honestly it’d probably be helpful on any Sonic game on launch day) though I think I’m personally too WP:INVOLVED to do it myself. (I’ve reverted this a few times today myself.) Sergecross73 msg me 02:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I see this range was reported above. TarkusABtalk 21:03, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Should also show that they've been at it since 2017. Notice the similarites between [19] and [20] or how about [21] and [22] TarkusABtalk 21:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
TarkusAB - Apologies, it’s been a busy couple of weeks and I’m behind on responses. Upon glance, I believe this may be indef-blocked tripple-ddd, a troublesome editor who obsesses over Sega divisions/staff/credits, often making questionable judgement calls. He’s been caught socking like 50+ times over the last few years. I protected the Sega dev article. I’ll protect others if he continually disrupts them. Keep me posted. Sergecross73 msg me 01:58, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Wow, I had forgotten all about that guy. And yet he seemed to remember the minor dispute about emulators 5 years ago like it were yesterday. Yikes. Anyways, he said he wasn’t coming back, so I figured the “past of least resistance may just be warning. He’ll probably make less of a commotion if he thinks he left if his own accord. Please tell me if you see him around again though. Sergecross73 msg me 12:57, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Haha. I'm actually not all too familiar with Persona characters besides the fact that I could probably pound everyone in WP:VG to a pulp with him in Smash Ultimate. JOEBRO64 11:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Can we get a long range block please [23] and thank you. TarkusABtalk/contrib 13:46, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I would, but I’m still not well versed in the ways of range blocks. Ferret is usually my go-to on that, but he’s been relatively inactive lately. In the meantime, I’m more than happy to play whack-a-mole if you guys keep reporting individual IPs to me. Sergecross73 msg me 20:07, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
/32 is too wide and definitely catches other people. No comment on whether they're constructive or not. /64 reblocked for 3 years. My last block on this range had been for a year. -- ferret (talk) 22:24, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Question about RM

Had a quick question that perhaps you could help out with or lend some advice. Recently, a "merge" discussion was started at Talk:Gwazi#Proposed merge with Iron Gwazi. Realizing that this was going to need admin assistance and could possibly be seen as controversial, I closed that discussion and opened a formal WP:RM request. 5 other editors already support the move in the closed discussion. Can those responses be inserted into this RM? Perhaps it would close right at the 7-day mark instead of being extended. That's my main concern. Thanks in advance! --GoneIn60 (talk) 12:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I would think so, but I must admit I don’t work in RM in an admin capacity much. I tend to just be a participant at RMs, or make uncontroversial moves upon request rather than through RM. I think as long as you’re open and transparent about it so that it doesn’t look like you’re doing any illegitimate tweaking, you’d be fine. If anyone tells you I’m wrong though...then maybe listen to them. Sergecross73 msg me 16:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
OK thanks, appreciate it. --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:10, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Anytime. Sergecross73 msg me 01:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Tool

Im here just to say that Fear Inocolum is number 1 in Portugal and i noticed that was missing from the wikipedia page Nerostark (talk) 17:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I’m short on time at the moment, but I’ll leave a note on the albums talk page about it, which will either remind myself or someone else to do it later. Sergecross73 msg me 02:11, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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