User talk:Sean Stephens/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

2018

September 2018

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Your submission at Articles for creation: CXLOE (singer) (December 23)

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2019

Read WP:CRYSTAL and WP:BRD

If you are reverted, do not immediately return to the article and restore your edits; this can be considered disruptive. Read WP:BRD. The point was not entirely that you did not have sources, but rather that we don't add albums with no confirmed title or release date WP:CRYSTAL. You can add this information to a section on Tame Impala's article, but "plans to release an album" are not part of an artist's discography if they haven't even come out yet. Ss112 02:26, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

And as for your charming little edit summaries like here, I will be a "douchebag" to you or anybody else if being a "douchebag" means reverting unsourced content. You must source all of your edits per WP:V. If it makes me a "douchebag" to remind you of this, then so be it. If you don't like it, then perhaps don't edit as you shouldn't be here if you intend to add unsourced content anyway. However, I'd advise you to not to (attempt to) insult other editors, especially with names, if you intend to stay around here, as if you continue to do so, you may find yourself swiftly blocked. Read WP:NPA. Source all your edits in future, and don't be disruptive by re-reverting people, whether indirectly (as you did to me) or directly. We have BRD for a reason. Thanks. Ss112 02:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Forums are not considered a reliable source

I also hope you know that per WP:SPS, we don't consider forums a reliable source on Wikipedia. Yes, I know who Gavin Ryan is and that he wrote those forum posts as "bulion", but regardless of who made said forum postings or who they are, you will find most editors would remove a forum as a source. So perhaps you should cut down the amount of your edits you source to forums and wait, or leave it out, if you can't find a better source for it. Ss112 02:45, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Read the above. You are still using a forum as if it is a reliable source, like at Robinson (singer). Please stop doing this. Also, do not add more than 10 columns in one section on a discography, and stop adding blank Australian columns where you think something will chart, like at Rich the Kid discography. You are not a psychic, you don't know what will make the chart and what won't, so don't go adding columns with no entries in them because they will be removed. Thanks. Ss112 21:06, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Editing references

Do not make edits like this. That should an en dash (–), not an em dash (—). Em dashes are usually only used for breaks in prose. Hyphens are usually converted to en dashes. Also, do not change date formats. See WP:Date formattings. Australian artists' articles use dmy (that means the date goes first, like 15 June 2019), not mdy (that means the month goes first, like June 15, 2019). You've done this on several articles now. Please stop or you will be outright reverted for changing date formats in future. Thank you. Ss112 07:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

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Accept reason:  Done Happy editing. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 05:13, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks in advance admin. Sean Stephens (talk) 04:25, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Please read WP:NCMDAB before moving ANY more articles

You moved Cxloe to the article title Cxloe (singer) because she's a "relatively new artist and adding (singer) helps give context to who she is". This is not how we title articles, this is entirely unnecessary disambiguation, and you clearly do not understand what we use disambiguation for. It is to specify when the name/title can mean more than one thing. It is not used to help clarify what someone does in the case that they are not world famous. Don't make moves like this again. Read WP:NCMDAB. Thank you. Ss112 11:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:CXLOE (singer)

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2020

"The Benefactor (Marvel Comics)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Please source your edits

I'm sure I don't need to tell you this, but please source the content you add to Wikipedia. The entire subsection you just added to Adrian Eagle does not contain even a single source. This is against WP:V. There's no excuse for not adding sources for an artist's releases; it's not a primary source for itself, so please add some citations. Thanks. Ss112 01:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm about to add sources, I just am looking for ones which match the criteria. I figured sourcing Google Play, which is what I used to add it all, would not match the requirements. I am aware of the policy, you don't need to unnecessarily remind me of it. Cheers. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

You are full of it. You clearly do need to be reminded of it, given your edit to Niall Horan discography twenty mintues ago. Stop adding unsourced material to Wikipedia. There is no excuse for it. Next time I'm just going to template you and after three or four of those, you'll be reported to an admin. Don't be lazy. Ss112 21:19, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm a thorn in your side when you're the nuisance going around making unsourced edits? "I couldn't find ANY source for it at the time". Hmm...Maybe the intelligent thing would've been to add it only when you have a source? Don't add material to Wikipedia until you find a bloody source. It's not hard. Don't try and get back at me by tagging me in edit summaries either. I can play that game all damn day, so don't even try it. You won't win. Ss112 21:35, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I will hold you to account every time I see you making an unsourced contribution. As any editor should. That's the way it's going to be. If you can't handle it, don't edit. That's Wikipedia policy. You're in the wrong here, not me. You've added unsourced material several times now. The assumption of WP:AGF for you already ran out, so you can't claim people aren't assuming it of you when it's not your first time doing so. Ss112 21:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm running out of ways to try and remain friendly. Both edits (the edits to Adrian Eagle and Niall Horan discography page) were followed up with edits where I added sources shortly after. In the case of the Adrian Eagle edit, I didn't add sources until I found some that matched WP:V, whereas with this current edit, it was so new that there were no sources to be found. It's beyond me why you assume that I'm not planning on adding the necessary information as soon as it becomes available. Yes, I may have made unconstructive edits in the past, but that was prior to understanding Wikipedia's rules and processes. Every time I edit, I'm trying to ensure that everything I do is within these rules. – Sean Stephens (talk) 21:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. The solution to that is: Don't add material until you have a source. It's quite simple. Ss112 21:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

It's quite clear this discussion is going nowhere, as you clearly know not how to be civil. And, I only tagged you in my edit summary because a) it was in direct response to your edit; and b) you'd also tagged me in your edit summary. – Sean Stephens (talk) 21:52, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

My last response was in no way uncivil. I will revert anybody who can't add a source in or immediately after their edit. I'm well within my rights to do, as is any editor if they come across it, because WP:V is our most basic policy. Don't add unsourced material to Wikipedia if you can't find a source for it at the time. That's nobody else's problem besides your own. Ss112 22:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I was not referring to your last response. I was referring to here, which is quite clear was intended to be uncivil. I believe your edit summary was also a violation of WP:SHOUT. – Sean Stephens (talk) 22:09, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

If you're going to cite behavioural guidelines at me, please know what you're talking about. That is a talk page guideline. My all-caps sentence was in an edit summary, which is not a talk page, and was capitalised for emphasis. I also didn't deny I had said anything that could be uncivil. Thanks. Ss112 22:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Don't update album prose until the album has actually been released

Six hours ago, you edited Changes (Justin Bieber album) claiming the album had been released. It was literally enforced to not be released until midnight US time, which just happened in Australia at 4PM AEDST. Please make sure you know what you're talking about in future, because you clearly assumed it was out when it wasn't. Ss112 05:04, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

"Likely to be part of a project"

Is not a good enough reason to add unsourced material, as you wrote here. Unless those songs have explicitly been stated to be part of or released in promotion of an album, the presumption is that they are not on an album, not that they are. You will find it's more of an exceptional claim on Wikipedia to say a song will be on an album, whether that album's title and details has been confirmed or not, than say it isn't. Please stop going to different articles and changing N/A templates to TBA templates unless you have sources explicitly stating the song is intended to be from the artist's upcoming project. Thanks. Ss112 23:59, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

"Pick Me Up Off the Floor (Norah Jones album)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Thanks for the notification, PamD. :) Sean Stephens (talk) 01:47, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of JXN (musician)

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Thanks!

Hi, just wanted to send a big thanks for contributing more to the Lonely Diamond article.

Thank you --Majash2020 (talk) 09:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Majash2020! Not a problem! I thought there were a few things I could contribute to the article so I thought I may as well add them while I had the time to (once I started I couldn't stop though haha).

I hope my editing didn't get in your way at all :)

Sean Stephens (talk) 10:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Forgot to add, thanks for starting the page! I was considering doing it myself, so it was a big help. Sean Stephens (talk) 10:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:No Reason (No Money Enterprise song)

Thanks for adding the project tags, but it is unnecessary to classify redirects or cats. If the 'redirect' is not added it will show up automatically if an article is added. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 23:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Richhoncho: Ah okay, I wasn't aware of that. Thank you. Sean Stephens (talk) 23:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Category redirects

Hi Sean, you should refrain from creating category redirects that don't follow the scheme of the existing parent categories. Per WP:CATRED, categories redirects are typically only needed for hyphens vs. en dashes and use of plain letters when an actual title uses diacritics. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:05, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Thank you for letting me know, I wasn't aware of this. Which categories had I created in particular that contradicted this guideline? I've created a few categories recently, so I'm not sure which ones they may be!

Also, slight sidenote, I've been meaning to say that I appreciate your edits; you pick up on a lot of mistakes I make that I'm not aware of, and I'm grateful for that. I apologise for the delayed response, I've had a long day at work. Sean Stephens (talk) 12:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey Sean, just categories like Category:Sri Lankan-Australians, which go against the scheme that has been developed. There shouldn't be alternate naming schemes underneath since category redirects (soft redirects) don't work the same as redirects to articles (hard redirects). Hard redirects are fine because they are cheap and can actually help someone searching for the topic. Soft redirects for categories can cause confusion and muddle up the system. They are navigation tools not search tools. Not that they can't/don't exist, it's just not recommended for most cases. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Ah thank you. That does make sense, cheers for explaining it. I apologise for the hassle. Thanks again. Sean Stephens (talk) 00:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, while there is nothing wrong with creating a shortcut to Wikipedia namespaces in lowercase, the standard is ALL CAPS per WP:SHORTCUT, so don't add the lower-case equivalent to WikiProject pages like you did here. There is also no need to add {{Talk header}} to talk pages just to add it. Per the template's documentation: "This template should be placed only where it's needed. Don't visit talk pages just to add this template, and don't place it on the talk pages of new articles. Talk pages that are frequently misused, that attract frequent or perpetual debate, articles often subject to controversy, and highly-visible or popular topics may be appropriate for this template." Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 04:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: I wasn't aware the "All caps" standard was a guideline. Thank you for referring to and quoting the template's documentation in your above explanation. Will most definitely keep this in mind in future. Thank you for correcting it also. Sean Stephens (talk) 13:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

R from tour

Can you simplify the documentation for the {{R from tour}} template? It shouldn't look like what's appearing on Homecoming Queen Tour. It seems like there should be more on the actual documentation page than there is right now at Template:R_from_tour/doc. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Thanks for noting that, the template didn't turn out the way I intended it to look (for example, I was hoping it wouldn't italicise the pages, and I forgot to mention the notability criteria for concert tours within the template). Do you have any specific suggestions? I would greatly appreciate any feedback. I knew it wasn't going to be perfect first go, but as can be seen here, no-one offered any assistance, so I opted to do it myself. Sean Stephens (talk) 08:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

To be completely honest, I struggle when it comes to template usage on Wikipedia, so I genuinely don't know where to start in terms of simplifying the documentation. Sean Stephens (talk) 08:26, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I suggest you go to the Redirect Project talk page. You should also reach out to editors and admins who have worked in the areas you are interested in, whether it's a specific topic or an administrative function. There's never any harm asking for help. Cheers. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 16:16, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Starcheers... Thank you. That link will assist my greatly. I will reach out to them and endeavour to expand the documentation over the coming days. Sean Stephens (talk) 02:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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Red Link

Hey Sean, I hope you're doing well. I saw you undid my removal of the red (non-existent) wiki links on The Sound (Australian TV series) page. I know they can be there, as per WP:REDLINKBIO, but I personally think it looks like there are "errors" on the page with them, hence I tend to not put them there. I don't mind that you undid my edit of course, but I'm just letting you know why I removed them in the first place. :) Tobyjamesaus (talk) 04:03, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tobyjamesaus! Hope you're doing well too. Thanks a lot for your contributions, I appreciate a lot of the work you do on here (you often beat me to things too). Apologies for reverting your edit, in hindsight I realise I probably should've manually done it instead. I'll endeavour to create pages for the red linked articles (some I'm already in the process of creating) as soon as I can (although if you look at my sandbox, it's evident that I currently have a very long to-do list). Sean Stephens (talk) 11:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I do understand where you're coming from though, I've removed a few red links in my short time here and since realised I was probably in the wrong doing so. As a result, I would generally recommend doing a quick Google Search to see if the topics in question meet WP:ARTIST etc., and only removing them if they don't (for example, Mia Wray). I do tend to agree that it can make pages look messy or unfinished, so we should be very particular to ensure that red links meet the criteria prior to including them. Sean Stephens (talk) 11:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

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Cathedral Builder

	Attending to all the Details
	Sir, you're making every article that bit better. The Little Platoon (talk) 02:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Little Platoon: Thank you – I certainly am trying to! Nice to know that my work is appreciated! Sean Stephens (talk) 03:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Skegss query

Hi, I see you've edited this article a fair bit recently: a lot of good work. I'm curious, do you know why their 2015 EP reached No. 4 on the ARIA Charts – five years later. I can't see any obvious reason for its top 5 charting so long after its release. With the controversy over the cover art and this charting it should have its own article.

BTW Everyone Is Good at Something and Holiday Food/Everyone Is Good at Something appeared on the ARIA Hitseekers Albums charts in 2016 to 2017.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 18:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Shaidar cuebiyar: Hi, and thank you! You do a lot of good work here too! I was surprised to see it debut so high to be honest. If you see here, it was re-released on limited edition vinyl on 16 October – Holiday Food / Everyone Is Good at Something also received a limited release too. I do think it should have its own article and I have some articles saved for when it's created (like this one and this one). I've got a long to-do list and this is one of the many things on it! Hope that helps, Sean Stephens (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

No drama, mate. Sounds like your schedule is fairly full, when you get a:

This user has a Tuit but sometimes forgets to use it.

You'll be okay. PS this can be added to your user boxes if you want.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

For your refs locker: 1, 2, 3 and 4. Have fun.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:25, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

@Shaidar cuebiyar: Thanks for all of those links, I'll no doubt use them! Very much appreciated. Just added your userbox to my user page too, had to Google what "tuit" means first though! Hopefully we can collaborate on some articles soon :) Sean Stephens (talk) 00:49, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Ping me when you're ready for Skegss EP.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:58, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

@Shaidar cuebiyar: I don't have the time to do it tonight unfortunately, would you like to work on it with me on Sunday? I've got work all day tomorrow, so I can't do it then. Sean Stephens (talk) 09:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

<opens diary>Mmm ... no work for Sunday... mmm</closes diary> Okay, warm up your Tuit: make sure its particularly spherical.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Something came up. I've an unexpected duty tomorrow but should have some time late on Sunday. However, as I had more time today I made a start at my sandbox. You're welcome to edit there when you can. Suggestions: go for the reception &/or background sections, or whatever.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)04:54, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Right to go? I'll go for track listing of re-release.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:06, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Article started, see 50 Push Ups for a Dollar. I'm now working on Background.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Skegss everywhere? The re-released split album or double EP, Holiday Food / Everyone Is Good at Something, has peaked at No. 17.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:36, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I noticed that actually, was surprised to see it happen. Ended up being busy yesterday, so I'm sorry for that. Hopefully I'll be able to work on the article later today. Many thanks! Sean Stephens (talk) 01:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

50 Push Ups... requires at least one more review. I'll let you pick it and add it in. I'm working elsewhere for now but ping me if you need help or if you want to start an article for the double EP.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

2021

Skegss everywhere

New article: Holiday Food/Everyone Is Good at Something (whatever you do, don't look at my contributions history because you'll find my mis-spelling of the article title: oh the shame of it!). It could do with a check over and maybe more Reception with 2020 reviews? shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I took some time off from Wikipedia over the last month or so, so I'm only seeing this now. I haven't quite gotten around to the 50 Push Ups article just yet, but looking at it now, it probably only needs a couple things fixed here and there. I'll see if I can find some additional citations for Holiday Food at some point too (don't stress about the article title error either, these things happen!). Sean Stephens (talk) 01:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Start date template removal from infoboxes

Hi. Why are you removing the start date template from the infobox on album articles? You did so earlier at Weird!, and you did it on another article the other day, so I assume it is something somewhat regular for you to do, and that there must be some reason behind it. As I said in my edit summary upon reinstating it, it isn't something that Template:Infobox album says we should omit, like flat list markup or the use of Template:Duration (for straightforward durations). Admittedly, the template documentation states it may be used, so it's not compulsory, but that also indicates there is no reason to remove it where it is already used as well. Thanks. Ss112 11:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ss112: Yeah, that's my fault, I'd misread the documentation, I mistakenly interpreted it as meaning we shouldn't use it where its use was unnecessary. I'll avoid doing so in future. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:18, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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Collapsed in Sunbeams personnel

Hey! Thank you for starting that personnel section. I see that you're Australian so you may be able to finish it off using the credits provided by Tidal since its been released where you are. Cheers HeyitsBen ^talk 19:36, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey HeyitsBen! Not a problem! I was hoping to use the album's liner notes for it, but my copy hasn't come in the mail yet unfortunately. I'd be willing to adapt them from Tidal if someone can show me how to access them (not sure if I need a subscription or not). Sean Stephens (talk) 21:24, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Sean Stephens, Don't stress! You'd be able to access the credits on Tidal using this link. But I think it would be best to wait for your hard copy since the liner notes include all the finest details such as recording studios, designers and studio personnel etc. HeyitsBen ^talk 07:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

HeyitsBen, thanks for that! I definitely agree that it's best to wait, here's hoping it comes soon. I'm hoping to update it at soon as I get it—which should hopefully be early next week. Sean Stephens (talk) 23:34, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Album categories

Hi Sean, I noticed you created the categories:

• Category:Pete Murray (Australian singer-songwriter) albums
• Category:EPs produced by Gang of Youths

For the first one, you moved the content from an existing category, the original was deleted and a histmerge has been requested. I recommend that you follow the instructions for WP:CFD/S for such renaming if the category has been in existence for a while or has a robust history. When in doubt, go this route or if there's even a remote chance of the move being controversial, request a full CfD. For the second one, there is no category scheme for "EPs by producer", always use "Category:Albums produced by Foo". Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 01:03, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: I only discovered today that the way I've been dealing with incorrect category names was the wrong way, and as a result I've gone back and requested histmerges for a few of the ones I've previously done. I'll make sure I follow the correct process in future. Thanks for fixing the two EP categories, I wasn't sure if I was doing it right but evidently I wasn't. Maybe we should expand the scope of {{Album producer category}} to include extended plays and studio mixtapes given it's technically incorrect categorisation? Sean Stephens (talk) 08:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

They'd already be included under the current scope and I'm not sure trying to complicate it with an extra layer of categorization for one or two releases is helpful. Personally, I'd rather see all albums/compilations/EPs etc. by artist in a single artist's category and only split if the number in any subtype warrants a subcategory (such as Category:The Who compilation albums or Category:Stereolab EPs). Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 09:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: I guess. I was thinking the template could be changed to read "The following is a list of albums, EPs, and studio mixtapes produced by ..." or something similar. But if it's a move that's unlikely to garner support I probably won't start a discussion about it. Sean Stephens (talk) 09:12, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Australian indie folk songs

Can we upmerge Category:Australian indie folk songs to Category:Australian folk songs and Category:Indie folk songs? There's no scheme for indie folks songs by country and upmerging would make the most sense. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 05:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: I would be fine with that, doing so makes sense to me. I'd forgotten I'd created the category until now actually. Sean Stephens (talk) 08:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Sean, I noticed this empty category was populated but there is no scheme established for "EPs by genre by artist" as it creates another level of unnecessary subdivision (i.e., there is no Category:Psychedelic rock EPs by artist nationality or even Category:Rock EPs by artist nationality). May I update the existing content to reflect current practice? Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:43, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Oh okay, I apologise for that – I thought categorisation like this was normal (it's probably "Albums by genre by artist" I was thinking of). Do what you need to do! :) Sean Stephens (talk) 22:49, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

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Bendigo

Hey Sean, what articles do you have in mind? I'm busy this month but should be able to get a few more stubs off the ground at least. - HappyWaldo (talk) 01:58, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@HappyWaldo: Hey! That's not a problem, take your time (there's obviously no deadline). The articles I noticed needed attention were the ones for George Lansell, Bendigo Advertiser, Kangaroo Flat, and ABC Central Victoria. I'm hoping to get around to all of them at some stage but I'd greatly appreciate any help! Thanks, Sean Stephens (talk) 08:42, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

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Better in Blak / Awards

Hey Sean, I just looked at Better in Blak album by Thelma Plum and I saw you've put some wikilinks for award years that don’t exist. Are you planning on creating them? If so, (as someone who's done more than a few award pages!!) can I suggest you create the page, then add the wikilinks to song/album pages (in that order). If not, could you perhaps leave it as it was? I think it looked better before all the red was over the page (links to nothing).

Thanks in advance. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 09:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tobyjamesaus: Hey Toby. I've only just come back from a short break from Wikipedia over the last week.

I had a few issues with your edits, and I will list them as follows:

• You removed red links, which are fundamental to this encyclopaedia, and should not be removed unless consensus decides that the topic in question isn't notable. (I have since recreated them as redirects, and I may make them into individual articles in future but you are more than welcome to do so)
• You removed table captions and hlist formatting, both of which are required to be used for those who have vision disabilities or otherwise require screen readers.
• You moved references to the lead, a place which they shouldn't be unless the information it's there to verify is considered controversial (such as net worth of celebrities, etc) – this guideline includes infoboxes also. The purpose of the lead is to summarise the contents of an article, section by section, so the lead on any article must reflect this (obviously not all articles are up to standard, thus not all do).
• You initially removed (before later restoring) the awards table – but awards and nominations received by a song/EP/album should be mentioned in the lead before being cited later in the article. See examples such as this one for ways to implement them.
• And lastly, you also removed standard article improvements, as I'd added links and formatted a couple of issues with the article.

I admit I was in the wrong in adding the {{Extra chronology}} section, but it could probably have just been commented out until such time as a second album is confirmed.

I think it's important to note that I do not have any issue with you personally – I am genuinely grateful for your contributions – but I have issue with these reverts and some other editing habits of yours in recent times. I hope we can come to an agreement. Sean Stephens (talk) 09:17, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Sean Stephens: Hey, first of all, welcome back :). I appreciate your message and I don't take it personally, hopefully you don't/won't take it personally either - as we work quite well together (if we disagree on a few things - haha)

Re Better in Blak, I could see there were some good changes that you had made, ie, the awards table and the hlist for song credits etc and thank you for that. I would've kept those, but all the edits was in one save and I found it easier to undo than work backwards. If there were other improvements you'd made that missed, I do apologise fo those as well.

Re the red links, I understand why they're OK to have in articles, if that "page will be created soon". I understand this is my opinion (and I live with this) but I think it's best to create the article before you create the red link (I just think the red makes the page look erroneous), hence why I suggested that in the comment above (re individual Q Music awards etc). What I particularly didn't like was that you had removed the links to the awards pages that DO exist and replaced them with ones that didn't - essentially breaking the links and this is what I couldn't understand, hence the undo. I can see what you've done now and I think it looks waaaaay better, so thanks for that.

Also, If there are other editing habits of mine you don't like, please let me know, so I can explain, amend etc. Cheers Tobyjamesaus (talk) 23:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tobyjamesaus: Thank for being understanding, it certainly goes a long way. It's clear that we both have a shared interest in Australian music and I'm extremely grateful for that. We do go about certain things differently, and I'm glad that we're able to pick up on each other's little errors here and there (I noticed you picked up on my mistakes with a couple table captions somewhere the other day – I can't remember what it was but I'm sure you'd remember it).

I would also like to apologise for a couple things. I have since realised that my initial edit in which I expanded the lead etc did make it look cluttered and messy (I think I was going to trim the lead prior to publishing the edit but forgot to), so I'm sorry for that. In addition, I have realised my recent edit comes off a little rude. I consider you a friend, and I'm sorry for writing that message so bluntly.

I do understand where you're coming from in regards to red links, it certainly is easier to create the articles and then link to them. Just be cautious and try not to remove them from articles (unless they've been deemed non-notable of course). I've seen editors taken to ANI for less.

When it comes to editing habits of your's that, the only ones that come to mind are as follows:

No edit summaries is the main one, usually even just a "+" or "–" is okay if you're adding/removing content. The main reason I mention this is because edits are often looked at from a distance (as opposed to the diffs themselves) to make sure the summaries aren't misleading. The other ones are occasional spelling / reference errors (I know this happens sometimes when in a rush so just keep an eye out, I'm certainly prone to it sometimes too) and undercategorisation of songs / albums (e.g. not creating new categories when creating articles, this isn't a big issue as I often create new categories anyway. If you need any advice with this let me know). I also came across this edit (which was since reverted as I'm sure you're aware) where you blanked the page in order to delete it, so I recommend taking a quick look at the guidelines to deletion in order to get up to speed with the deletion process.

I hope you are comfortable with me moving references out of the lead into new sections on articles you've created, as I intend to do so for various articles eventually (e.g. J Award-nominated albums, etc).

Please, if there is anything I do which you don't appreciate, feel free to let me know anytime. I promise I will be receptive to any concerns you may have. I saw this message earlier but have only just now had a chance to reply, sorry for the delay in responding. Sean Stephens (talk) 05:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Archiving

You may want to consider archive your talk page, but it's entirely up to you. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: I've had a look at it and it's a bit confusing. What's the easiest way to do it? Sean Stephens (talk) 05:16, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

• "It" being the page you linked to, I should note. Sean Stephens (talk) 05:19, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

• The easiest thing to do is to move your talk page or create a sub-talk page, say User talk:Sean Stephens/Archive. It doesn’t have to be "archive" but whatever you want. Then you can start fresh at your main talk page. I archive once a year. There are also bots that will auto-archive for you (see User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo). Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 05:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

• @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Thank you for that, I genuinely appreciate it. I just added a used one of the copy-paste templates at the top of the page, so I'm sure a bot will update it soon. (Also, if you don't require a ping, let me know). Sean Stephens (talk) 05:52, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Categories for discussion

Hi Sean, be careful about which templates you use when nominating categories for discussion. With this edit, you tagged Category:The Kid Laroi albums for a speedy rename then posted it at WP:CFD with this edit for a full discussion. These are two different processes. I believe the full discussion is appropriate here but you can learn more about how the speedy renaming process works by reading WP:CFDS. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Thank you. I think I read two opposing sets of guidelines when I did it, resulting in the erroneous speedy rename nomination. I was quite tired when I nominated the category, so I apologise for the hassle; I certainly would've gotten it right if I was more awake. I will be sure to read WP:CFDS. Sean Stephens (talk) 02:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, I just want to note that the two edits of mine you linked occurred the other way around: the addition of the category at CFD (at 20:58 AEST) and then the category tag (at 21:01 AEST). That might help clarify things. Sean Stephens (talk) 02:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Willow Smith categories

Hi Sean, you nominated Category:Willow Smith albums and Category:Willow Smith songs for speedy renaming but you failed to list them at WP:CFDS so they'll never get processed that way. However, WP:C2D does not apply to these categories anyway because the main article is at "Willow Smith" and not "Willow (singer)", which is just a redirect. I have requested a rename of Category:Songs written by Willow (singer) that you recently created so that it will be consistent with the others. If you're having some trouble understanding how categories work, I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: I was under the impression that the article was renamed monomymously because that's how the links were piped on this page. I thought I'd listed them both at CFDS but I must've closed the tab before I was finished. Thank you for your help, I will definitely ask you for assistance if I need to. Sean Stephens (talk) 00:30, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

It looks like that article linked to the Willow Smith article correctly until an IP changed it for no apparent reason. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 01:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah okay, that makes a bit more sense, thanks for letting me know. I support renaming all related categories to "Willow Smith..." etc for now. Maybe a requested move should be opened sometime, as the mononym seems to be the common name. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:09, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Song recordings produced by Tyler Cole has been nominated for deletion

Category:Song recordings produced by Tyler Cole has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Richhoncho (talk) 15:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Songs written by Tyler Cole has been nominated for deletion

Category:Songs written by Tyler Cole has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Richhoncho (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Are you Draft?

Thanks for the invite. Any new articles I create tend to be for extant Australian artists or their works. I don't mind having a look at your drafts and having a meddle as long as you don't get annoyed. As for Baker Boy's debut album its three years since he first teased it. Consider Batflowers by Washington, which she started five years before releasing it. Along the way it was called Sugardoom and an article was started with that name back in 2018. How long can you wait? Remember GnR's Chinese Democracy?

My counter suggestion is to trawl through APRA/ARIA winners. Are there any winning works/artists that don't have articles? Take care of yourself.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

@Shaidar cuebiyar: Thank you for your response. I completely understand where you're coming from; I tend to focus on making new articles for those areas too. The main reason I'm creating them is so their coverage is overall extensive and the information isn't lost to time. I don't mind you having a meddle either (so long as you don't remove sourced content etc., but I know you wouldn't do that anyway). I've seen whispers online that Baker Boy's album is finally coming this year, but obviously nothing has been confirmed, so I can't add it (he actually lives in my city, so maybe I'll meet him one day and find out myself).

Following these next couple of drafts, I'm hoping to create articles for some of the recent APRA & ARIA nominees/winners, so thank you for that suggestion. Take care of yourself too. Thanks, Sean Stephens (talk) 08:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

205.234.53.90

I wouldn't bother striking comments now; they will just be reverted. The only solution at this point is page protection & blocking. --- Possibly (talk) 04:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly: After that one edit, I've given up :P – they're too persistent. I think that's the best way too, here's hoping it's done soon. Sean Stephens (talk) 04:10, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah that Is why I thought I would warn you about wasted time, having wasted a couple hours myself! If you read the actual article, it sort of makes sense what's happening there.--- Possibly (talk) 04:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for making me aware of the situation. I just had a look at the article, and I'm not at all surprised it's nominated for deletion. I'd add my vote but this IP would probably revert it; they've engaged full crisis mode. I look forward to this being resolved! Sean Stephens (talk) 04:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Drivers License

I was going to move it myself until I saw your previous move request. WP:RM is totally unpredictable. There's WP:DIFFCAPS, but it's always a crapshoot the rationales people come up with. Does anyone go out of their way to capitalize when they dont have to? Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 09:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bagumba: I couldn't agree more. I was absolutely flabbergasted that such a simple move was rejected by so many — I'd have thought a completely different spelling AND a lack of apostrophe would be reason enough to move, but that was lost on most people who participated in the discussion. I don't think anyone who types "Drivers License" into the search bar is aiming to arrive at the current destination, and it's making people take an extra step to get to the intended article. Thank you for your support of the requested move! I'll probably open a new discussion eventually. Sean Stephens (talk) 02:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

In the grand scheme of things, the title is relatively unimportant. RM can be frustrating if one takes it too seriously. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 02:26, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Very true. I'm sure it'll end up at that title eventually anyway. I'll definitely try not to take it too seriously — like anything on this site, it can have adverse effects if one gets too caught up in it. Sean Stephens (talk) 02:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

"Unfold"

Hey Sean, thanks for your contributions to Draft:Unfold (Porter Robinson and Totally Enormous Extinct Dinosaurs song)! Just wanted to let you know I've submitted it for review, but any additional edits are still very much welcome. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:36, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@TechnoSquirrel69: No problem! Always happy to. There's certainly more I could add to it, I'll try tomorrow and see what I can do to help. Sean Stephens (talk) 13:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I've added a "Critical reception" section, additional categories and archived some of the page's references. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Comment at Kraven the Hunter

Hello. I'm not sure why you felt the need to make this comment insinuating the I am stopping certain people from editing Wikipedia, but this is your friendly reminder that anyone can be reverted on Wikipedia and you do not have a right to go unchallenged when you make changes. Wikipedia is dependent on a whole community of editors, which means you will not always get to do whatever you want. In this case, the sentence already says what you are trying to say. Clearly there is need to clarify the wording so I have done that with this edit. If you have further concerns you should take them to the talk page rather than edit warring, per WP:BRD. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97: I apologise if that was your main takeaway—I merely felt it unfair that I make a minor copy-edit to a page, only for it to be immediately reverted. I do not feel you prevent anyone from editing Wikipedia, but if such a minor edit, made in good faith, is immediately reverted, then what sign does that send to newer editors? That such trivial changes to a page will be reverted without consideration? It sets a dangerous precedent. I am aware that I do not get to do "what I want" on this site; this is a collaborative project and everyone works together to get the job done. As such, I feel as opposed to reverting my edit (which I thought was productive) you should've instead rectified the situation as I was aiming to. Edit wars end badly for all involved—I definitely wasn't intending to start one; I felt your reversion was done in bad faith (if that wasn't the case, I apologise). Have you perchance read WP:ONLYREVERT? It states we should aim to manually revert edits unless the edits are vandalism or sockpuppetry. Thank you for reaching out as opposed to escalating the situation, I do appreciate it. My reversion does read a little passive aggressive in hindsight, so I'm sorry for that. I will note, however, that the article didn't state what I was trying to say; the initial inclusion of the year is in reference to the writing of the Kraven screenplay, with no context given to The Equalizer 2. I am satisfied with your recent revision of the paragraph in question. Maybe next time both of us should take to the talk page first, hey. Sean Stephens (talk) 08:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your response, though I disagree with your interpretation of the situation. The article did already state the year The Equalizer 2 was released, it just wasn't clear enough to you. If you had stated that at the time then I may have manually reverted and made my clarification then, but since you did not explain your initial edit clearly I did not know that the issue you had with the sentence was that it was unclear to you. Perhaps I am a little quick to fully revert sometimes, but, to be frank, I and others who frequently edit these kinds of articles are used to getting a large number of bad edits every day that need to be reverted due to how high profile film and TV articles are. I know this is not the case across all of Wikipedia and some editors do not realise how much reverting needs to happen for these sorts of articles, but unfortunately that is the reality. I also am usually not a big fan of manually reverting as I know that I would prefer to receive a notification if all or some of my edit had been undone. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

It seems we do disagree this particular instance. Which is okay, disagreement is healthy so long as it is civil (particularly on here). I will admit to not being clear in my initial edit; I've made it a habit of writing short edit summaries as opposed to nothing like others do, and it's clear now that that might not be helpful, so I need to work on this. I should've written something like "rephrased for clarity" instead (which would've accurately described my reasoning behind this edit) and will endeavour to do so next time round. I do tend to agree that these sorts of articles require frequent "supervision", so to speak, and I respect your reasoning for initially reverting me. I also understand wanting to receive notifications when being reverted—I don't make a habit of checking my watchlist, and so the only time I'm usually aware of being reverted is when people use that tool to do it. It's useful to be able to read them and then determine if their actions were good. I guess the bottom line is that this misunderstanding came down to a lack of communication, the fault of which was mine. I'm sorry for the disruption. Sean Stephens (talk) 11:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

No worries, communication takes two so we could have both been more clear. Take care. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Precious

songs and albums from Australia

Thank you for quality articles about music from Australia such as Cherub (song), Bronson (album), Today We're the Greatest and Love Signs, for redirects, categories and disambiguation pages, for " I promise I will be receptive to any concerns you may have", for missing SlimVirgin, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2614 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm very humbled to receive such an honour. While I don't do it for the recognition, it's nice to see that someone else appreciates my work! Thank you for all that you do. Sean Stephens (talk) 22:29, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

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CFD/S

Hi Sean, when listing a category for speedy renaming as you did here, be sure to tag the affected categories as well using {{subst:cfr-speedy|new name}}. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 21:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Thank you. I meant to, but was tired and evidently forgot to. Thanks for cleaning up after me. Sean Stephens (talk) 22:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Thank you for creating Don't Turn Around (disambiguation).

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Add a hatlink to this disambig page from all the linked pages

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@MPGuy2824: Thank you for your message. I would like to note, however, that the only one that needs it is the base page (Don't Turn Around), as the others are not ambiguous. Any other pages you have seen do that aren't adhering to hatnote guidelines. Sean Stephens (talk) 07:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Warner Music New Zealand

Actually I redirected it to List of Warner Music Group labels#As Warner Music (it is in International labels). Artice for Warner Music New Zealand would be nice but I don't know if we can find enough sources for notability. Eurohunter (talk) 16:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: That sounds like a better idea actually. I've just had a look and couldn't really find many sources, so hopefully further down there track there will be more available. Thanks for letting me know! Sean Stephens (talk) 01:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Your edit to The Family (Australian New Age group)

Hi Sean, thanks for that edit, but the documentation for the cite web template actually says re the author link field: "Title of existing Wikipedia article about the author", so red links are not normal there. If you're planning to create an article about this person soon, a red link there is probably OK; if not, I'd remove it (along with the others you added) if I were you. Graham87 14:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Graham87! I apologise, I wasn't aware that that parameter is exclusively for existing articles. I am aiming to create an article for the journalist today, so that link should be blue soon. Thank you for letting me know. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Upcoming EPs

Is Category:Upcoming EPs really necessary? Category:Upcoming albums is pretty much just a maintenance category that is never going to be super populated that diffusion is required. For maintenance, wouldn't it just be simpler to keep upcoming albums in one place? Things don't have to be made overcomplicated with additional categories that will have even less content. I'd hate to see this lead to Category:Upcoming compilation albums, etc. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 21:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if others will deem it necessary, but I had thought it would be. I created it because I'd noticed there being a number of EPs and the albums category can be a pain to navigate at times. Personally, I think only this category and Upcoming albums are necessary, and that's what we should limit it to (the other one I made recently was definitely unnecessary in hindsight). If you feel they should be merged, maybe we can include a description similar to the one used here in order to clarify the category's scope. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:37, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll give it a couple of weeks to see if it gets reasonably populated. If there's never going to be more than a few, I may nominate it for deletion/merging per WP:SMALLCAT. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:Derek Chauvin has been nominated for deletion

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BTS Meal

I don't really care either way but most sources seem to refer to it as "the BTS Meal" with a small letter t, I. E. No definite article. See for example [1] and the other sources cited in the article. Kingoflettuce (talk) 18:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kingoflettuce, thanks for getting in touch. I moved the article because official sources, such as this and this, refer to the meal with the definite article. Additionally, using a lowercase "the" doesn't change that fact; by definition, a definite article means the subject is definite, i.e. it is known (hence, they call it "the BTS Meal" as opposed to "a BTS Meal"). You're more than welcome to open an RM, but the official title is the one currently in use. Thanks. Sean Stephens (talk) 08:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I stand corrected on the grammatical point but what I really meant to drive across was: if you look at any random McProduct article, for instance the McChicken, you'll see that, yes, while it's referred to as "the McChicken" instead of "a McChicken", the title of the article is simply "McChicken". If more sources referred to it with a capital letter T then I'd think it'd make more sense to title it "The BTS Meal". But that's clearly not the case just based on a cursory glance at the sources, so shouldn't we defer to the WP:COMMONNAME, rather than the "official" title? Kingoflettuce (talk) 08:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Kingoflettuce: Ah, I understand what you mean now. Per Wikipedia:Official names, we should only give weight to "official" names where appropriate; I'm sure this is a case for the exception, and to thus devert to the common name. In saying that, though, the official and common names are one and the same here, but there's evidently some variation between usage of the definite article (and lack of it) when referring to the meal. There's potentially quite an important discussion to be had here. The vast majority of sources I've found use "the" in the title (here and here are examples), whilst their official website uses the longer name also, as do various social media posts from the company (here and here). I would like to note, though, the articles that omit "the" from the title appear to do so for cohesion and clarity, i.e. where writing "the BTS Meal" would confuse the reader. Take the following sentence for example, if you inserted "the" at the front of it, it would grammatically make no sense: "McDonald's BTS meal is bringing...". I would welcome a requested move, and given your opposition to the move, maybe I should've taken that avenue first. I apologise for that. Thanks for discussing this respectfully, many others wouldn't have had the same level of good faith. Sean Stephens (talk) 10:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Category:Upcoming EPs has been nominated for deletion

Category:Upcoming EPs has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 16:23, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Would you like to keep Solar power up to standard?

See reassessment page Chidgk1 (talk) 05:49, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: I'd love to, but my knowledge of the topic is minimal. I prefer to focus my editing on music-related articles. Thank you for the offer, though! Sean Stephens (talk) 01:38, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Redirect page You Are the Reason (song)

Greetings Sean Stephens. I've retargeted this redirect page to the disambiguation page. The disambiguation page is the correct target as the page name is ambiguous. Originally I used the wrong Rcat which I have corrected. If you disagree with my actions, let's discuss it further before making any more changes. I don't wish it to appear that we are edit warring. Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 06:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello John Cline! To the best of my knowledge, if the page has been determined as the primary topic, which, as the only one with an article, it already is, then the disambiguated redirect should redirect there. The reason for this is because it's not ambiguous; as "(song)" can be seen as unanimously referring to the primary article. I've seen this on various other redirects to primary topics (I'll try and find some examples in the meantime). I'm more than happy to talk through this further. Apologies for the delayed response, I forget to get back to this yesterday. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate your willingness to discuss this with me. I accept your rational and will not revert any subsequent edit to retarget the redirect. Thanks again and best regards.--John Cline (talk) 22:35, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2022 debut albums

A tag has been placed on Category:2022 debut albums indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Category:Albums produced by TroyBoi has been nominated for deletion

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TroyBoi

I had to revert your wikilinking of TroyBoi on Warlordz as currently, the link redirects back to the same page thus linking on the page creates a redirect loop. If you are looking to write an article on the music artist, it does not hurt to draft one or overwrite the redirect provided evidence of notability can be presented. Jalen Folf (talk) 04:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi JalenFolf, please see my edit summary for further understanding as to why I linked the page in question (as I created an article this morning). Sean Stephens (talk) 06:11, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

My apologies. I was observing through Page information, was confused about a sudden spike in the previous day's page views, and didn't see that the redirect had been converted into an article. Thank you for informing me. Jalen Folf (talk) 15:07, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Ultra (Mickey Kojak album) moved to draftspace

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• Considering the requirements of WP:NMUSIC
• This article has insufficient references
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• This article may return to mainspace when there are more reviews of this musicians work. Whiteguru (talk) 16:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Mickey Kojak albums

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Speedy deletion tags

Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from content that you have created as you did here, even when it's just empty categories being populated. An admin or other uninvolved editor needs to ensure valid content has been added. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

My sincere apologies, I wasn't aware that was the case; I was under the impression that they could be removed once the tags had been addressed, as with PROD tags. I'll avoid doing so in future. Sean Stephens (talk) 23:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Your specific red linking on Gela (album)

Sean, I am perfectly aware of our guidelines on red links. Are you? If you were, you would have seen WP:REDLINK says "Red links should not be made to articles deleted because the topic was judged unencyclopedic or lacking notability." Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrei Eremin was closed as delete because he lacks notability. So that's that link disqualified and you should not be restoring it. The other article, Dave Hammer, was deleted 13 years ago because it was vandalism. There's no indication this article was about the mixer, and there's no indication why he would be somehow notable. REDLINK also says "Only remove red links if Wikipedia should not have an article on the subject." I am certain we should not have articles on them, so I did. "They indicate future articles", do they? Are you going to create them? Do you know somebody is? If you don't, then you shouldn't be linking them, end of story. And why these two and none of the others? Funny that you didn't answer this in your condescending edit summary. I "respectfully suggest" if you have something to say to me in future, you do something other than communicate with me through edit summaries. Ss112 03:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

This sincerely reads to me as if you discovered WP:REDLINK exists and now you're going to throw red links to the names of street artists and irrelevant Triple J shows. The long and short of it is: unless you intend to create the articles or you're somehow certain those articles will be imminently created (and that's incredibly rare), you shouldn't just pointlessly red-link articles. Ss112 03:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I was unaware either of those had been deleted, especially for those reasons. Having said that, I won't re-link them if that's the case. I would like to point out, though, that notability can change over time; Hammer has just been nominated for an ARIA Award so he's far more likely than previously to fulfill such criteria. Perhaps you could Google them and ascertain notability prior to removing the links? The reality is there's many topics which are notable enough for articles, including those street artists and irrelevant Triple J shows you refer to, and not enough people willing to create them. Also for the record, the others which I hadn't linked were ones I had done research on and couldn't find enough to sustain an article. As for the edit summary; it wasn't intended as condescending, and I'm sorry you interpreted it that way. I've long grown tired of disagreements on Wikipedia—peacefully co-existing is much better for everyone involved—and I don't intend to continue arguing with you or other users endlessly. Thanks. Sean Stephens (talk) 22:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I did search the mixer, the street artist, and both Triple J shows you linked. That's why I said I don't think any of them are notable. Same with the random authors you chose to link. I don't think Nat Tencic deserves an article. Ss112 23:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've found a variety of sources for them all, so I know there's plenty available, but I won't link them again unless creating an article immediately after. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

About turning Mediaweek into a disambiguation page

Eh... Please remember to clean yourself up after doing such an action: turning the redirect 'Mediaweek' to 'Mediaweek (American magazine)' into dismabigauation page with regards to page links. There were approximately 120 pages in all, and ~85 in the mainspace that links to the Mediaweek page. – robertsky (talk) 10:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Apologies, I usually leave it to the bots to sort that out. Whoever moved the page initially was clearly intending to create a disambiguation page, but stopped short of doing so, so I was only intending to fix that issue. Thanks. Sean Stephens (talk) 11:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Well... imo, such half-way work by other editos should be approached with plenty of caution. Out of the ~85 article pages, 7 are meant for the Australian magazine, 1 for a defunct UK magazine. If it was left to a bot, about 1/10 of the articles may have been updated wrongly. The defunct UK title is added to the disam page, since it has been merged into Campaign (magazine) in 2013. Also found was that the Australian magazine carried a 'Media Week' redirect which was also the name of the defunct UK title, and this redirect has been rerouted to the disam page. While updating the links, I have also uncovered an upsurped domain in references. Maybe these're (except for the upsurped domain. That's a bonus discovery) why the previous editor just left the page as it was. – robertsky (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

That's a very good point, I hadn't thought of that. I'll try and make sure I retarget relevant links in future when moving pages. By the way, I've just cleaned up the new entry so that only one link is included. Sean Stephens (talk) 23:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

"Budjerah (given name)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Budjerah (given name). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 12#Budjerah (given name) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:15, 12 December 2021 (UTC)