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Bristol Packet

Note that she was built in 1801 (in 6th year of age in 1807). Have amended post at WT:SHIPS. Mjroots (talk) 19:05, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Reference required for length and beam. You might look through Lloyd's List for 1801-08 to find out more of her history. Newspapers might also be worth trawling through. Mjroots (talk) 18:46, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week seeking nominations (and a new facilitator)

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Please help us thank editors who display sustained patterns of excellence, working tirelessly in the background out of the spotlight, by submitting your nomination for Editor of the Week today!

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Re: New Council

Hi - I know very little about this matter actually - I just found out about it and thought that it should be mentioned on the relevant Wikipedia articles! I'd perhaps hold off creating a new article for the new district/council until it's actually certain to happen. I think the Your New Council website is our best source of information/official news on this. Thanks. Sumorsǣte (talk) 14:00, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cleveland Pools

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cleveland Pools you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Icebob99 -- Icebob99 (talk) 23:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cleveland Pools

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Woodland House

Firstly, thank you for your comprehensive GA review of the above. Noting that User:No Swan So Fine had been unable to respond to comments on their last GA nomination, and having had the pleasure of working with them in the past, I have taken the liberty of responding myself. However, I have been rather confused by the transclusion, such that my comments don't appear on the article Talkpage but do on the transcluded Talkpage. I do hope that this doesn't cause a problem. Thanks and regards. KJP1 (talk) 18:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

NSSF has indicated he is quite content with my picking this up. Is there anything further I can do to assist the GA review? KJP1 (talk) 17:17, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Rodw. You have new messages at Template:Did you know nominations/List of Antarctic churches.
Message added 13:06, 14 January 2017 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:06, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

disambig needed

Hello there! Wondering why you added a "disambig needed" to Trelawney on Tre, Pol and Pen page. It does lead to a disambiguation page for people and places called Trelawney, but there's no page dedicated to Trelawney as a surname. Seems like a good link to me? Happy wikiing!! -- A L T E R C A R I 19:29, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough I have removed it but I suppose I was hoping there was a Trelawney (surname) or similar page, to separate it from places, those in fiction etc.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bridgwater Bay

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Bridgwater Bay you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vanamonde93 -- Vanamonde93 (talk) 09:20, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Mine_Workers

Hi,

Today I added a few lines about the bitter 1873 coal miners' strike in my home state of Ohio. I put the lines under the 1870

heading. I edited your page because it was one of the few that took in the history of union organizing in the mines.

The last discussion of the 1873 labor action was in 1951, in the Youngstown Vindicator. I thought it was time to again reveal this history.

I am a retired teacher and former building rep (shop steward) with the Philadelphia Federation of Teachers, Local #3, AFL-CIO. I also publish Italian American history as a contributing writer in English at http://www.lagazzettaitaliana.com/.

The 1873 Strike brought the first Italians into the Mahoning Valley, where I was born.

Solidarity Forever, Ben Lariccia WarrenRicheyKid (talk) 01:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Gournay Court

On 20 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gournay Court, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the British member of parliament Jacob Rees-Mogg lives at Gournay Court where his great aunt had been a nurse during World War I? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gournay Court. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Gournay Court), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Schwede 66 12:03, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Freshford Manor

On 22 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Freshford Manor, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Sir William Napier wrote part of his History of the Peninsular War sitting at a stone table in the grounds of Freshford Manor? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Freshford Manor. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Freshford Manor), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

TFL notification

Hi, Rod. I'm just posting to let you know that List of civil parishes in Somerset – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for February 20. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 03:39, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Milborne Port

Thanks for tidying up my sentence. There should be a reference in Hansard, but I couldn't find it. I was puzzled if the item in the Australian paper was a misspelling of Melbourne. I've noted you before ; You improved some stuff I put in about the Airbus transport : Flint - Portbury - Pauillac. As you are interested in Parishes, etc., could you address a problem I've noticed ? Some historic county councils were abolished in 1974, and a few people are trying hard to purge every mention of these names from Wikipedia.78.150.141.142 (talk) 17:01, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bridgwater Bay

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Your GA nomination of St Catherine's Court

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St Catherine's Court

	Congratulations, it's a...
	...Wikipedia Good Article!! Shearonink (talk) 06:23, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of St Catherine's Court

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West Somerset Mineral Railway

I have left some comments on the WSMR page, but one or two points are better said here, I think.

First, you are being very courteous, and I am grateful. This is a quality not often found on Wikipedia.

Second, in carefully seeking comments and support from anyone and everyone, I appreciate that you are anxious to create support for the GA status. If there is a negative to this, it is that you may get several suggested (but as yet non-specific) changes at the same time as you are asking people to support the final result of implementing them -- which they can't see yet, of course. My own inclination would have been to make the edits now and then say to everyone "Is this ok?" (I was temped myself to wade in myself and make some edits now. However I defer to you as you have done much more recent work than I have on the page.)

Whatever, good luck and congratulations on your work.

PS "Rod" and "Rodw" are both you, I presume. That threw me a bit last night when I got your first message.

Afterbrunel (talk) 10:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Dear Rod

I take my hat off to you for your editfest, thank you.

You commented at one point that you didn't know how to edit standard bibliography items such as Griffiths, Roger; Smith, Paul (1999). The Directory of British Engine Sheds and Principal Locomotive Servicing Points: 1 Southern England, the Midlands, East Anglia and Wales. OPC Railprint. ISBN 978-0-86093-542-1. OCLC 59458015. and Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.. They are both templates (the curly brackets suggest this). You can edit them by keying in template:Griffiths-Sheds1 at top right of screen, then hitting the edit option, as you would for any article. You can then edit it at will. Just a word of caution, however, these templates are shortcuts for widely used standard works so people don't have to write out or copy and paste book data time and again and so Wikipedia moves towards standard refs. Therefore any change you make will immediately affect a lot of articles, not just one. In this case you could safely overwrite the ISBN number with the international version, then test it after you've saved it.

All that said, neither you nor I can edit Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M. because it is protected (thousands of articles use it) so you'll need to ask someone higher up the food chain than me. To save you having to look it up Butt's long ISBN is 9781852605087. I've changed the Griffiths ISBN.

I've sympathetically tweaked the opening paras and added to the closing narrative about the company's final months. I haven't sought to change any meanings, because I think you'd got it right.

I see that in Afterbrunel you've found a civil, constructive and specific guide. Well done, as he says, such people aren't as common in they should be in the Wikiworld.

Best wishes.

Dave DavidAHull (talk) 12:18, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

The Butt template {{Butt-Stations}} is only semi-protected, so I think you both (Rodw and DavidAHull) should be able to edit it as you are both extended confirmed users? Harrias ^talk 13:12, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Sound advice, thank you. I've changed the ISBN in the Butt template to the long format.

Thanks both for your advice and edits on this while I've been at work. All isbns now appear up to date 13 digit versions. I think we are getting there - just need to provide a citation for Luxborough Road never having fare-paying passengers (or remove it if we can't source it.— Rod ^talk 19:55, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll do that. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Done. I see a critical obstacle to getting GA status, no author has used Jones' "The Brendon Hills Iron Mines and the West Somerset Railway". I've tried to get hold of a copy to no avail, until today, when it has become available on Amazon for £50 plus postage. I could go to York University Library to study a copy (I wonder if they'd let me in, I graduated there in 1971!) but its over the Pennines and would cost me £50 plus postage to get there and back and I'm not sure what I could do in a day. I'm afraid that at the moment I can't lay my hands on £50 plus postage; if it's still available in February I should be able to. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 23:57, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't spend your money on it or make a special trip. You could always apply for a WikimediaUK small grant for the cost of the book, but it is available from Libraries West so I have placed a reservation which will get it sent to my local library in about a week.— Rod ^talk 06:57, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

It's worth noting that Good article criteria do not require an article to be comprehensive. So although a missing source like that is detrimental to the article in general, and certainly to attaining FA status, it is unlikely to be a major stumbling block for GA. Harrias ^talk 10:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Well done Rodw for setting wheels in motion to get a copy of Jones. Thank you Harrias for advice about GA and comprehensiveness. Now for rather a downer. There are seven works which appear in the list of refs without page numbers, some with several instances. I have none of the works I'm afraid. I can't see any shortcut other than for people to wade through the works in question finding and recording the relevant pages. The works are Bodman 2012, Carter 1959, Mitchell & Smith 1990, Thomas 1966, Maggs 2013, Butt 1995 (I can go to Crosby library and look that up if no-one has easier access) and Bradshaw 2011. Owt else I can do? Kind regards to all, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 19:43, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't have any of these either. The Maggs one is available full text on google books but appears to be an ebook without page numbers. I think some of them might be in my local library but Geof Sheppard, Andy Dingley, Britmax, Afterbrunel or someone from Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains might be able to help?— Rod ^talk 20:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

I've got what are probably the three best known works on this (the two Sellicks, Madge and Jones). Jones though is such an epic tome that it tends to stop one from simply diving into the article, for the sheer scale of the topic. All I've managed to do as a result was to start identifying some of the background topics that need to be in place (hence the navbox). An article based on Sellick alone would not meet the depth of coverage that really should be here. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

I've dealt with the Maggs ref by "splitting" it. The citation now links directly to the eBook extract, so if you read the relevant para on passenger trains and click on the Maggs ref it takes you to the extract itself. I've therefore taken the link to the eBook out of the bibliography, leaving is as a "pure" paper book, which I've moved to Further reading. I hope this makes sense! It deals with the non-existent ISBN, the confusion between paper and e source and the lack of page number. One down, umpteen to go! Rodw, I like your ASIN initiative, I've not seen that done before. Cheers, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 09:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks - I tidied a ref=harv. Copies of Bodman, Butt, Mitchell & Thomas are all available through Libraries West so I have placed reservations & they should be sent to my local branch. I will then check page nos etc. This will leave Carter, E. (1959). An Historical Geography of the Railways of the British Isles. Cassell. ASIN B000WSRHU6. - I will try Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains to see if anyone has a copy.— Rod ^talk 19:23, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I've extended the Route Diagram, adding the stopping places at Torre and Clitsome (articles to follow), the non-extesion to Eisen Hill and several mines. I don't know how to correct the branch to Timwood to reflect the fact that it was 16" gauge, but I know a man who does, so I'll ask him. Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 18:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

First the good news - I've created Clitsome Railway Station. Now the bad news - I've created Clitsome Railway Station, instead of Clitsome railway station. Do you know anyone with the clout to change it? Apologies, yours idiotically, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 23:32, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Done - I didn't know you needed any special "clout" to do a page move.— Rod ^talk 06:56, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, it sounds as if I need know how, not clout. Can you please show me how to do a page move (or where I can read up on it)? Dave DavidAHull (talk) 12:37, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Moving a page.— Rod ^talk 21:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I've refined Route Diagram. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks.— Rod ^talk 21:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Part way through linking the pits in the route diagram to paras in Mining on the Brendon Hills. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 23:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I've come to the end of my resources. We now have the WSMR linked to Mining on the Brendon Hills and vice versa. I can't think of owt to add to the RDT except the never-built line to Minehead, but I think that would add clutter to little advantage. If you can think of anything else I can do, please let me know. All the best, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on this. I've just started top receive notices to say that some of the books are arriving in the library, so I will do the page nos & may come up with other things as a result.— Rod ^talk 18:14, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

You may have noticed the blue thingy at the bottom with all the associated articles or sections of articles such as mines and men. I can't see why Comebrow Incline is in there as it is in the WMR article, but not by name. I propose to change our section headed "The incline..." to "Comberow Incline" and add a note noting other names used such as "Brendon Hill Incline". A user searching for it will then find it, where s/he won't with the present arrangement. Is that OK by you? The other entity down there still in red is a bloke. I'm not greatly inclined (ha ha) to go researching him to be honest, is that your cup of tea? Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 20:12, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy for the title change. I'm not really into biographies, but have recently got the Jones book & there is quite a lot more to add to some of the articles. Some of the relevant biographies: Sir John Lethbridge, 1st Baronet, Rice (or Rhys) Hopkins, George Wyndham, 4th Earl of Egremont, Walter Calverley Trevelyan, Spencer George Perceval, Henry Herbert, 4th Earl of Carnarvon, Sir Thomas Dyke Acland, 10th Baronet, Morgan Morgans (1816-1888). Maybe not all of them & here may be some others, I'm still reading.— Rod ^talk 20:37, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Have edited accordingly. Glad you've received Jones, I've ordered it on Inter-Library Loan, but heard nowt. I see you hail from Ramsgate, do you know John Hope aged about 70 who was born and brought up there? Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:44, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I will add them to Mining on the Brendon Hills when I get to them. I went to school in Ramsgate (but brung up in Margate), but he is a few years older than me & not a name I remember.— Rod ^talk 07:57, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

We've just had an edit clash. I believe you had moved Jones to the ref list. I've preserved that. If you made any other changes please check them. We'd better start using the template "in use". Ho hum, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 12:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I had started adding notes re locos from Jones. NB current Ref 94 is a wikilink to "Brendon Hill & I don't understand what it is supposed to be referencing.— Rod ^talk 12:49, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

The names and numbers in the "main line" table don't match those in Jones book which includes a Sirdar class 0-4-0 Number 702 by Kerr, Stuart & Co. He also includes trials locos.— Rod ^talk 13:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I couldn't make sense of ref 94 either, so I've substituted a link to NLoS maps (do you think we should add a Note to users how to get the best out of NLoS overlays?) please check it now makes sense and comment on my note question.

It had become ref 96. I have removed the sfn template - perhaps it was intended to be a station link one (but I have never used that). I have also never used NLOS maps so I don't really know about that one.— Rod ^talk 15:15, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I had no hand in the tables of locos until this morning when I linked them to images. They may correspond to refs in the body of the text, but I haven't looked. I reckon Jones trumps anything unreferenced, so I support you making any changes. On the standard gauge locos table I can't find owt about the supposed Neilsen loco dating from 1861. If you and Jones can't I suggest you bin it. Your 2' gauge note about Sirdar seems fine, it doesn't contradict what's already there, in fact the £18 price tag confirms the accompanying narrative. I'm going to have a go at a mini-biography for Morgan Morgans based on Sellick. Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 15:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

OK I will look further when I have time.— Rod ^talk 15:15, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I've put the spurious "link" to Brendon Hill station right, it was my typo, I keyed "sfn" instead of "rws". I warmly commend the NLoS maps to you, they enable you to look at a range of OS maps going back to the 1800s and switch between them and current images by sliding a blue blob at the bottom left corner of the screen. The are a fabulous resource. Finally, my copy of Jones has arrived, I aim to pick it up tomorrow. Would you like to divvy up working through it? Dave DavidAHull (talk) 17:48, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks - I thought it might be a mis formed Template:Stnlnk. Great stuff re Jones. I've skim read the 1st hundred pages or so & was going to do the early explorations in the Mining on the Brendon Hills article as a 1st step. As ever there are several competing priorities.— Rod ^talk 17:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I've done a first edition of a biography for Morgan Morgans, but getting stuck into Jones is more my cup of tea. When I've had a look at it I'll suggest how we might tackle it. That won't be before tomorrow night, as Tuesday is grandadding day. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:38, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Events conspired against me yesterday, but I've now got my hands on Jones. Wow! I'm also in touch with one of Morgan Morgans' descendants so I hope to be able to flesh his biography out a bit in due course. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 16:13, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Glad to see your start on the mines article. One of us needs to add a section on Bearland Wood and add it to the route diagram. I volunteer to do both, but don't want to tread on your toes. In the light of what I've read in Jones and found through genealogical sources I need to revisit Morgan Morgans' bibliography. You said you weren't into doing them, so I volunteer; I've been pleasantly surprised how interesting it has been doing MM and will have a go at others, unless you want to. How do you suggest we divvy up the rest of what Jones reveals? I suggest selecting some chapters each is a clear way forward, but would welcome better ideas. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 14:49, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

You will not be treading on my toes. I have so much to do at work wp hardly gets a look in at the moment. Do what you want & when I get some time I will help out where I can. — Rod ^talk 18:50, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I've had a fair old bash at West Somerset Mineral Railway and its constituent stations. I think WSMR needs a fresh pair of eyes as I suspect repetition has snuck in. I think there may be a case for an extra section on accidents. I also suspect it might be an idea to break sections up. I've spent so long looking at it I can no longer see the wood for the trees. Tomorrow is grandadding day, so later in the week I'll have a go at Mining on the Brendon Hills as Jones will help me flesh out some pits and add others. Finally (?) I'll have another go at Morgan Morgans' biography when his 3GtGrandaughter gets back to me with promised material. I've enjoyed it, but am getting stale. I'll refresh with James (4) tomorrow and come back rarin' to go. Cheers, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:45, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all your brilliant work on this. I think it is looking a lot better. I've gone through & tweaked a few references & merged some one sentence paragraphs, but I don't think there is much more needed before a GA nomination. One thing that will annoy some reviewers are the references in the lead - although not "banned" some would argue that ever fact in the lead should be in the main body of the text, with citations there so do not need to be repeated in the lead. - might be worth checking?— Rod ^talk 21:36, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm glad it's on the up. I'll check the lead and refs against the body of the article. One thing bewilders me in the talk page, how on earth can this article be said not have enough in-line citations?? Are ampersands in refs taboo? If so, I need to know as I routinely use lists like what I did at school, eg "pp. 3, 12, 33 & 47" on the same theme is "opposite p. 47" not needed for photos? Great if it is! Someone has commented adversly on the style of sources. I'd stand my ground on this, I think they are consistent and meticulous: author, title, year, publisher and ISBN, with twiddly bits such as edition and oclc as situations warrant. Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:58, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't think ampersands and opposite are banned in citations, but when using sfn they seem to give an error (one of the many tools I have installed, I can't remember which one, flags these as incorrectly formatted). I think the old comments about lack of content on the mining & citations have since been dealt with (mostly by your work).— Rod ^talk 07:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

I've used sfn with "opposite" and ampersands for ages and neither man nor bot has objected, even my stalker hasn't taken the opportunity to dive in.Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I've put back "&" and "opposite" without any problems so it must be "loc" which was casing an error for one of my gadgets. Are you happy with how they are now?— Rod ^talk 09:16, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, they look fine. I was told to use "loc" by my stalker quite some time ago, I suggest you have a look at your gadget. I've now "done" Jones. Doubtless I've missed things and misinterpreted things, but as far as I'm concerned I've done WSMR, Mining on... and MM's biography. If his descendants follow through as promised I may get some more stuff, but basically I'm done on these three articles. If anyone gets back to us with comments I'll be happy to look at them on merit, but for now, I'm done. Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help with this - I think you have done a fantastic job. I will take another look and nominate WSMR for GA when I get some time.— Rod ^talk 07:50, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Re: Alfred Jewel

Hey. I updated the Pop culture section of the Alfred Jewel as I had just finished watching the series, Detectorists and had noticed it. I'm not too sure how exactly to cite that... Not to be rude, it's just my source of information was the primary piece of work I literally just saw. I added the official BBC online episode links as references. Will those be okay? –uncleben85 (talk) 07:56, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
EDIT: Thanks!

Your GA nomination of Nailsea Court

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Your GA nomination of Leigh Court

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Clive Cowdrey on Clevedon

Thank you for the feedback Rod. Apologies for missing that out, I've known Clive since we were 11 years old - he was my closest friend throughout our years at Clevedon Comprehensive School and into early 20s, so I (wrongly) assumed, as a primary witness, that I could say he lived in Clevedon. Here are some citations (including an interview with Clive) that make it clear.

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With regards to the "promotional language" many within the UK insurance / financial services industry recognise Clive for his innovative work and particularly for working out how to make the purchases of "Zombie Funds" within his company, Resolution PLC, that others had long tried and failed to work out.

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As to his knighthood this was awarded for his "Services to children and social mobility"...

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I hope this helps ~~IanG~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by IanG (talk • contribs) 16:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nailsea Court

The article Nailsea Court you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Nailsea Court for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Worm That Turned -- Worm That Turned (talk) 13:02, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Avoiding redirects

Hi, just a note that edits to avoid redirects are generally discouraged, see WP:NOTBROKEN for information. DuncanHill (talk) 20:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

It's just part of my process (like reference formatting just before) to tidy up an article I'm working up towards GAN. I wouldn't normally do it specifically, but thinking of trying to get Prior Park up to GA level - would you like to help?— Rod ^talk 20:16, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

It's kind of you to ask but I'm not really suited to that kind of thing. DuncanHill (talk) 01:49, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

March 2017 WikiCup newsletter

And so ends the first round of the competition, with 4 points required to qualify for round 2. It would have been 5 points, but when a late entrant was permitted to join the contest in February, a promise was made that his inclusion would not result in the exclusion of any other competitor. To achieve this, the six entrants that had the lowest positive score of 4 points have been added to the 64 people who otherwise would have qualified. As a result, some of the groups have nine contestants rather than eight. Our top four scorers in round 1 were:

Cas Liber, last year's winner, led the field with two featured articles on birds and a total score of 674.
Iry-Hor, a WikiCup newcomer, came next with a featured article, a good article and a tally of 282 bonus points for a score of 517. All these points came from the article Nyuserre Ini, an Ancient Egyptian pharaoh,
1989, another WikiCup newcomer, was in joint third place at 240. 1989 has claimed points for two featured lists and one good article relating to anime and comedy series, all of which were awarded bonus points.
Peacemaker67 shared third place with five good articles and thirteen good article reviews, mostly on naval vessels. He is also new to the competition.

The largest number of DYKs have been submitted by Vivvt and The C of E, who each claimed for seven, and MBlaze Lightning achieved eight articles at ITN. Carbrera and Peacemaker67 each claimed for five GAs and Krishna Chaitanya Velaga was well out in front for GARs, having reviewed 32. No featured pictures, featured topics or good topics yet, but we have achieved three featured articles and a splendid total of fifty good articles.

So, on to the second round. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is a good article candidate, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth 13:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ston Easton Park

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ston Easton Park you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dylan620 -- Dylan620 (talk) 17:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Rod, just a heads up that I've left a few comments at the nomination page; I'm close to passing the article, but I've noted a few minor inconsistencies and I'm having difficulty verifying some of the book references. Once these issues are resolved, the article should be all set for promotion. Cheers, Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 04:46, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for replying; I've left a batch of further replies at the nomination page. Regards, Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 00:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

One more little thing to be resolved, and then I'll be fully comfortable with passing the article. --Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 15:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ston Easton Park

The article Ston Easton Park you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ston Easton Park for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dylan620 -- Dylan620 (talk) 19:41, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Packhorse Inn

On 6 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Packhorse Inn, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Packhorse Inn, a Somerset pub, has been designated as an asset of community value? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Packhorse Inn. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Packhorse Inn), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:01, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Urchinwood Manor

On 10 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Urchinwood Manor, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the original 1620 "L" shape of Urchinwood Manor was made into a "U" by a mid-17th century extension? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Urchinwood Manor. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Urchinwood Manor), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Battle of batcombe

In 1643 one of the Berkeley family, involved in a royalist plot to seize the town and Ilchester, raised a force to fight the puritan sympathisers of Batcombe. (. D. Underdown, Som. in Civil War and Interregnum, 24, 44, 75, 89, 135.)

Will edit accordingly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsykesvoyage (talk • contribs) 10:05, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Wraxall Court

On 13 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wraxall Court, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Somerset building, Wraxall Court, was a house for hundreds of years before becoming a convalescent home, then student residences and then a private house again? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wraxall Court. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Wraxall Court), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Clapton Court

On 14 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Clapton Court, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the porch of Clapton Court in Somerset is two centuries older than the rest of the house? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Clapton Court. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Clapton Court), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 12:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Mendip Hospital

On 15 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mendip Hospital, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mendip Hospital in Somerset was built in 1848 for 350 patients, but became crowded within a few years of opening? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mendip Hospital. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mendip Hospital), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Leigh Court

The article Leigh Court you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Leigh Court for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Worm That Turned -- Worm That Turned (talk) 12:02, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Blaise Castle

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List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cambridgeshire

Hi Rod. I have List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cambridgeshire at FLC. I should be grateful for a review if you have time. Dudley Miles (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Pevsner

Hi Rod, I don't suppose you have a copy of the Pevsner guide for North Somerset and Bristol? I'm after the section on Mells, but I can't find a preview on Google Books. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Blaise Castle

The article Blaise Castle you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Blaise Castle for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of KJP1 -- KJP1 (talk) 10:41, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that - the technical aspects of Wiki are often beyond me. How about if I open a review on Blaise Castle Estate, move the review over, and we go from there? Will that work? KJP1 (talk) 11:14, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

I see it's copied the review over, or you have, but it's still asking me to open a review on the Talkpage. Should I do so, and recopy? KJP1 (talk) 11:19, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Right, I think we're good to go again, at [1]. Sorry for the confusion. KJP1 (talk) 11:53, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Afternoon Rod - do you want to wrap this up today or is this sunny Sunday a kids' day! I think we just need to sort out the two Harford issues and we're done. No hurry. KJP1 (talk) 13:04, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree with your comments about the article on John Scandrett Harford, perhaps we need "elder" & "younger" versions for clarity as we have with John Wood, the Elder & John Wood, the Younger. I've done the revisions as you suggest at Talk:Blaise Castle/GA1 but I'm totally unsure where to put a response if the page histories are to be merged as discussed at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#Blaise Castle Estate. It is a sunny kids day I'm just editing between taxi services. Thanks for all your helpful comments and edits on this which have definitely improved the article.— Rod ^talk 13:21, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Actually, it's passed. Many congratulations. A little longer than I thought but still well before your break. Have a good time. I think there's still a bit of an issue over the two review pages (Blaise Castle/Blaise Castle estate) but I hoped it's sorted nonetheless. KJP1 (talk) 21:10, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on it. I will wait for the resolution of the GA reviews.— Rod ^talk 21:27, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: And now, thanks to BlueMoonset, it has its Green star. But you may never get a notification! KJP1 (talk) 15:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

About becoming an administrator

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia so far; they are very much appreciated. Your experience and tenure have been an asset to the project.

Have you ever thought of becoming an administrator? It can be enjoyable, challenging, and a great way to help Wikipedia.

To receive feedback on your chances of successfully requesting administrative privileges, consider starting a poll:

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Are you reading this on another user's talk page? If you are experienced and trusted, and would consider becoming an admin, you are very much encouraged to take the take the poll.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:04, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

My error at the Poll candidate search

My humblest apologies for this. Iridescent was right. The community thinks you would be a fantastic admin. I guess I am out of touch with that people oppose at RfA. I had been thinking that someone like you, with your exceptional contributions, would also need lots of posts at AN/I and filings at AIV, RfPP, etc. I was completely wrong. My apologies to you and Iridescent for the insult. I make mistakes and I learn. I promise to learn from this.

I am so pleased that you are taking the poll, and doubly delighted with the feedback I am seeing. I would be triply delighted if you ran. Please do.

My very best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I think we might as well start the RfA. @HJ Mitchell:, do you fancy co-nominating? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:54, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you (and everyone else) for positive comments. I have never said that I want to be an admin and, as one contributor said, "consider whether you want the hassle". My previous thinking has always been that maybe after retirement from (paid) employment and I have a bit more time it might be something interesting to do. I think the most difficult question for me would be "What administrative work do you intend to take part in?" as most of the editing I do is content related rather than "back office" - I think my answers would be similar to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ealdgyth. Although I know they are important, I find it difficult to get motivated towards some of the functions. Yes it would be helpful, occasionally, to be able to move articles over redirects or similar functions but generally I can find a helpful admin if I run across issues I can't currently deal with.— Rod ^talk 14:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

I just looked at Ealdgyth's logs out of curiosity and they've yet to make a logged admin action, so it is possible to pass without having any 'need' for the tools. I suppose it doesn't do any harm to give competent and trustworthy people the tools even if they don't use them. You don't really have anything to lose by throwing your hat in—you'll almost certainly succeed—I just wonder if you have anything to gain. But it's up to you. I'm not trying to talk you out of it, and I'd happily join Ritchie as co-nom if you wanted to go ahead. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:58, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

That all sounds fair. I would obviously prefer Rod the Somerset church GA-writer any time to Rod the admin, unquestionably. If the means of the RfA do not justify the end result of you having tools you have no interest in, then just take the poll as an endorsement that lots of people think you're a great asset to the project. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:07, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Prior Park

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Prior Park you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Montanabw -- Montanabw (talk) 09:01, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I passed the GA, but when I re-ran the EL checker, it did flag three dead links you may want to fix... [2]. I didn't see these before, so excluded this from the review -- but still needs a quick check. Montanabw^(talk) 06:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Prior Park

The article Prior Park you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Prior Park for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Montanabw -- Montanabw (talk) 06:42, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

May 2017 WikiCup newsletter

The second round of the competition has now closed, with just under 100 points being required to qualify for round 3. YellowEvan just scraped into the next round with 98 points but we have to say goodbye to the thirty or so competitors who didn't achieve this threshold; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. Our top scorers in round 2 were:

Cas Liber, led the field with five featured articles, four on birds and one on astronomy, and a total score of 2049, half of which came from bonus points.
1989 was in second place with 826 points, 466 of which were bonus points. 1989 has claimed points mostly relating to anime and Japanese-related articles.
Peacemaker67 took third place with two FAs, one GA and seven GARs, mostly on naval vessels or military personnel, scoring 543 points.
Other contestants who scored over 400 points were Freikorp, Carbrera, and Czar. Of course all these points are now wiped out and the 32 remaining contestants start again from zero in round 3.

Vivvt submitted the largest number of DYKs (30), and MBlaze Lightning achieved 13 articles at ITN. Carbrera claimed for 11 GAs and Argento Surfer performed the most GARs, having reviewed 11. So far we have achieved 38 featured articles and a splendid 132 good articles. Commendably, 279 GARs have been achieved so far, more than double the number of GAs.

So, on to the third round. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed in round 3. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth 13:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

source for Clatworthy

Rod, The source is Surnames of the United Kingdon, by Henry Harrison, Eaton Press, London, 1912 (vols.1), p. 81 — Preceding unsigned comment added by F. James Clatworthy (talk • contribs) 19:26, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Clatworthy, Somerset page source #8

Wikipedia realy needs to use an email format-- cut and copy or delete would help. I tried entering the source for the name, but I had to fill in some boxes and then it put the date in the wrong place.

You have my permission to edit. Thanks! The book I cited is located in the University of Michigan, Graduate Library so I have no knowledge of a paper copy, or an electronic version-- there should be. I could try the UofM Library as their collection is on-line. All the best, JimF. James Clatworthy (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Royal Crescent

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Royal Crescent you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Casliber -- Casliber (talk) 06:40, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Royal Crescent

The article Royal Crescent you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Royal Crescent for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Casliber -- Casliber (talk) 08:21, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Sweet Track scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the Sweet Track article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 15 June 2017. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 15, 2017. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:27, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of West Somerset Mineral Railway

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article West Somerset Mineral Railway you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Bob1960evens -- Bob1960evens (talk) 13:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Precious five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of West Somerset Mineral Railway

The article West Somerset Mineral Railway you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:West Somerset Mineral Railway for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Bob1960evens -- Bob1960evens (talk) 14:41, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

disambiguation needed

Re this edit, Would it be better if instead of saying "one of the rivers called the River Dee", it gave a list of all the rivers called the River Dee that the ships might have been named after?-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Sweet Track EL

I see the new editor is adding ELs inline again; I think he needs a friendly note on his talk page explaining how we do ELs, but I'm at work and don't have time to interact with him at the moment. If you'd like to give it a go, go ahead, otherwise I'll do it tonight. Haven't looked at the contents of the links yet so I don't have any opinion on whether they're suitable yet. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I just saw the notes above about your daughter; I'm so sorry to hear that -- I'll be happy to take care of the new editor myself later. Best of luck with the medical issues and I will keep an eye on the article for a while. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

sweet track

apologies for putting things in wrong place on Sweet track page. My only defence is that I am new to all this on Wikipedia. Hopefully all corrected now. RichardAB (talk) 16:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)Richard

My very best to you and your family

I saw this. My best to you and yours at this really difficult time. Let me know if I can help with anything in any way at all. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 21:27, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Same from me, Rod. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Ditto, take care, and sending positive thoughts your way. Harrias ^talk 06:58, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

And from me. All my best wishes. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:00, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

In our thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:40, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I also saw that edit, and will be praying for your daughter, your family, and the medical team treating her. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 14:40, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Best wishes and hopes for a speedy recovery. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 06:13, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Thoughts are with you all. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you all for the good wishes. She is home & recovered movement and sensation, but still experiencing some tiredness, weakness & pain.— Rod ^talk 18:01, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Okay, well that sounds like a bit of positive good news, our best wishes are with you all. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Good luck - condolences and fingers crossed she recovers as much as possible Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:52, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to hear of this. My very best wishes for a speedy recovery. Vanamonde (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Same here, a bit late, but hope she is continuing to do better with each day. Best wishes to you. Montanabw^(talk) 03:37, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Also a bit late, but wish to extend my wishes for your daughter's complete recovery. I hope things are proceeding well. – Corinne (talk) 17:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation (help needed)

Hi Rod,

Thanks for all the time you're putting in with cleaning up disambiguation links. I was a little concerned though about the possible overuse of Template:Disambiguation needed. As in the below example, you used it for 13 successive links over 11 articles in the space of two minutes. How much time are you actually putting in to find the correct link in each instance? For many of the examples, a read of the surrounding text should be enough to make a determination, even if you're not well versed in the subject area. Eg the date ranges are mentioned in Sports in New Orleans to be able to select the specific Negro Southern League being referred to. The link to Mars Hill is in reference to a trip to Greece and Franklin Academy is stated to be in North Carolina, for both of those there is only one link which meets that criteria. In cases where there are definitely no possible matches (eg CCSD, a Sudanese organisation), it may be better to de-link instead.

02:15, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . List of people with major depressive disorder ‎ (Help needed: Romantic) (current)
02:15, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . St. John's Jesuit High School and Academy ‎ (Help needed: Cliff-diving) (current)
02:15, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . List of mites associated with cutaneous reactions ‎ (Help needed: Equine encephalitis) (current)
02:15, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+63)‎ . . St. David's School (Raleigh, North Carolina) ‎ (Help needed: Mars Hill, Saint John, Franklin Academy) (current)
02:14, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . List of medical mnemonics ‎ (Help needed: Depression) (current)
02:14, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . List of medical abbreviations: C ‎ (Help needed: Complication) (current)
02:13, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . List of health and medical strikes ‎ (Help needed: CCSD) (current)
02:13, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . Springdale, Ohio ‎ (Help needed: Diverse) (current)
02:13, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . Spring Valley Academy ‎ (Help needed: Centerville, Kentucky) (current)
02:13, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+42)‎ . . List of OMIM disorder codes ‎ (Help needed: PROC (2)) (current)
02:13, June 12, 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+84)‎ . . Sports in New Orleans ‎ (Help needed: Negro Southern League (4)) (current)

On a side note, while looking at your edit history I made the mistake of clicking on the generously illustrated article Gunshot wound. I'm still picking up pieces of vomit from my shirt..

Thanks again for your hard work. Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 03:05, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the disambiguation note on the Varuna page, I cleared it up. You have a dead link on your page, by the way, so I made a note of that in case you wanted to change it. Happy Wikipedia-ing!

Nsawhney92 (talk) 02:08, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

TFA

Thank you for Sweet Track, "one of the oldest engineered roads known"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Very interesting article - I don't often bother reading TFA, but this one caught my interest, and I'm glad it did. Nice piece of work. Yunshui ^雲 _水 13:19, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Sunderland

To maintain historical context, Sunderland should be dabbed to Sunderland, County Durham before 1 April 1974, and Sunderland, Tyne and Wear on and after that date. Mjroots (talk) 05:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2017 July newsletter

The third round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 288 points being required to qualify for round 4. It was a hotly competitive round with all but four of the contestants exceeding the 106 points that was necessary to proceed to round 4 last year. Coemgenus and Freikorp tied on 288, and both have been allowed to proceed, so round 4 now has one pool of eight competitors and one of nine.

Round 3 saw the achievement of a 26-topic Featured topic by MPJ-DK as well as 5 featured lists and 13 featured articles. PanagiotisZois and SounderBruce achieved their first ever featured articles. Carbrera led the GA score with 10, Tachs achieved 17 DYKs and MBlaze Lightning 10 In the news items. There were 167 DYKs, 93 GARs and 82 GAs overall, this last figure being higher than the number of GAs in round 2, when twice as many people were taking part. Even though contestants performed more GARs than they achieved GAs, there was still some frustration at the length of time taken to get articles reviewed.

As we start round 4, we say goodbye to the fifteen or so competitors who didn't quite make it; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them (some people have fallen foul of this rule and the points have been removed).

If you are concerned that your nomination, whether it be for a good article, a featured process, or anything else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth 05:38, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Selma Historic District

I'd love to de-DAB, except I think they both are part of the trail. Thoughts? StarM 19:02, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

OK I can see that is a problem Selma Historic District shows the two short articles about places in Alabama & no overarching article.— Rod ^talk 19:09, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Correct, and I'm not sure there's enough to sustain a larger article. StarM 02:39, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Ask Ann Landers

What was the purpose of this edit and have I fixed the problem?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:05, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

It was to point out that Times-News can relate to several papers & it obviously worked as you have done exactly what was needed in pointing the link to Times-News (Hendersonville, North Carolina). Thanks.— Rod ^talk 16:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sydney Gardens

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Your GA nomination of Sydney Gardens

The article Sydney Gardens you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Sydney Gardens for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 10:21, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sydney Gardens

The article Sydney Gardens you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sydney Gardens for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 14:21, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations Rod, and thanks for your continued work on Somerset related articles.Derek Andrews (talk) 10:40, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

New SSSI nomination

Hi Rod. I have List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Northamptonshire at FLC, and I should be grateful for a review if you have time. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2017 September newsletter

Round 4 of the WikiCup has ended and we move forward into the final round. In round 4, a total of 12 FAs, 3 FLs, 44 GAs, 3 FLs, 79 DYKs, 1 ITN and 42 GARs was achieved, with no FPs or FTs this time. Congratulations to Peacemaker67 on the Royal Yugoslav Navy Good Topic of 36 items, and the 12 featured articles achieved by Cas Liber (5), Vanamonde93 (3), Peacemaker67 (2), Adityavagarwal (1) and 12george1 (1). With a FA scoring 200 points, and bonus points available on top of this, FAs are likely to feature heavily in the final round. Meanwhile Yellow Evan, a typhoon specialist, was contributing 12 DYKs and 10 GAs, while Adityavagarwal and Freikorp topped the GAR list with 8 reviews each. As we enter the final round, we are down to eight contestants, and we would like to thank those of you who have been eliminated for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. The lowest score needed to reach round 5 was 305, and I think we can expect a highly competitive final round.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck, and let the best man (or woman) win! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth 06:25, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

TFL notification

Hi, Rodw. I'm just posting to let you know that Grade I listed buildings in North Somerset – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for September 22. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 01:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Therapeutic storytelling

An article that you have been involved in editing—Therapeutic storytelling—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Domdeparis (talk) 08:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest

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Dashes & listed building templates

Hi Rod. I just had a look at the article you mentioned on my talk page (sorry for the delay), and it looks like you did a very good job of adding dashes where necessary. There was only one area where a dash was needed, and I took care of it. I hope to see this page at FLC soon. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:25, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Purton Hulks

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Your GA nomination of Purton Hulks

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Re: Notability and Cathy Barry

Hi. I was mainly reverting the removal of the notability hatnote without explanation or any other edits to the article by an IP user. Looking again at the article, I'm undecided about whether she could be considered notable or not for Wikipedia purposes, so I've removed the hatnote. Trivialist (talk) 18:22, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Robot Hall of Fame/archive1

Calling in a favour, any chance you could have a look at this list? It's somewhat stalled.... Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll try to take a look this evening.— Rod ^talk 08:51, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Republic of China dab

Republic of China after 1949 equal to Taiwan not China PR (PRC). Please fix your error. Matthew_hk t c 17:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Can you remind me which article this was on - I have done approx 100 dabs today.— Rod ^talk 17:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

If it is Football at the 1960 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads it looks as if you have already corrected it - thanks. If it is another page please specify.— Rod ^talk 17:49, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

If it is single issue then it was fixed, but Republic of China refer to Taiwan after 1949, and refer to whole China or Republic of China (1912–1949) before. So remember to choose the right one in the next dab edit. Matthew_hk t c 19:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2017 November newsletter: Final results

The final round of the 2017 WikiCup is over. Congratulations to the 2017 WikiCup top three finalists:

First Place - Adityavagarwal (submissions)
Second Place - Vanamonde (submissions)
Third Place - Cas Liber (submissions)

In addition to recognizing the achievements of the top finishers and everyone who worked hard to make it to the final round, we also want to recognize those participants who were most productive in each of the WikiCup scoring categories:

Featured Article – Cas Liber (actually a two-way tie with themselves for an astonishing five FAs in R2 and R4).
Good Article – Adityavagarwal had 14 GAs promoted in R5.
Featured List – Bloom6132 (submissions) and 1989 (submissions) both produced 2 FLs in R2
Featured Pictures – SounderBruce (submissions) improved an image to FP status in R5, the only FP this year.
Featured Topic – MPJ-DK (submissions) has the only FT of the Cup in R3.
Good Topic – Four different editors created a GT in R2, R3 and R4.
Did You Know – Adityavagarwal had 22 DYKs on the main page in R5.
In The News – MBlaze Lightning (submissions) had 14 ITN on the main page in R2.
Good Article Review – Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (submissions) completed 31 GARs in R1.

Over the course of the 2017 WikiCup the following content was added or improved on Wikipedia: 51 Featured Articles, 292 Good Articles, 18 Featured Lists, 1 Featured Picture, 1 Featured Topics, 4 Good Topics, around 400 Did You Knows, 75 In The News, and 442 Good Article Reviews. Thank you to all the competitors for your hard work and what you have done to improve Wikipedia.

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WP:3RR

I appreciate your caution, but think maybe it didn't apply. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 14:24, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

FLC

Hi Rod. List of Local Nature Reserves in Suffolk at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Local Nature Reserves in Suffolk/archive1 has been hanging around for over two months. I should be grateful for a review if you have time. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:15, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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This is no longer needed. The

automatically sizes to your screen now. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I am aware this is no longer needed, but don't believe it does any harm on the hundreds (? thousands) of articles where I have added this? — Rod ^talk 17:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018

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Begging for FLC review(s)

Hey Rod, I was wondering if you'd be able to take a look at a couple of open FLC reviews I have? Of course, more than happy to reciprocate if you have anything that needs a review right now? My lists are:

Anything you'd be able to do to even have a look at just one would be much appreciated. Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 19:06, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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Disambiguation

Hi, following your message at the Automobile project, I have fixed (hopefully) several links. At Regal (automobile) the link is in the hatnote and means to point to the the disamb. page (Regal). I tweaked it so it goes to the relevant section at the disamab. page but of course it continues to show as an error. Anything that should be done about that? Thanks. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for quick work - there will always be some where the link to a dab page is appropriate but we are reducing the numbers.— Rod ^talk 19:44, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, should the Regal page be moved to Regal (disambiguation) which would give the option 'link to disamb. page' via the 'solver'? Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Probably best to ask that one at Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation as it may affect other links.— Rod ^talk 19:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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