User talk:Premeditated Chaos/Archive 12

Feb 2009 orphan copyvios

Hey,

Sorry I missed your ping on IRC yesterday.

In my latest de-orphan run, I've come to realise that quite a few of the February 2009 orphans are G12-eligible copyvios as you can see from my Twinkle CSD log. I'll look for a way to automate this kind of thing :)

Thanks,

DrStrauss talk 14:05, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Don't worry about it! I was mostly just crowing that the teeny little Oct 2009 orphans cat had been cleared :3 Also yeah there's a toooon of copyvios in the orphans (it's downright embarrassing how many) so I've been making a point of running most of them through the Earwig detector just in case before I do anything else. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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Bactiguard Wire Brass

hi, i noticed that you reverted my removal of the orphan tag of the article stated in the header. if i understood correctly, Wikipedia:Orphan, which states the current consensus of the community, says that a single wikilink which fits to the orphan criteria is enough to remove the tag, and the article has six wikilinks, which is more than enough. if i missed something, like another more recent consensus, please let me know. i am new and i want to learn more :) TemTem (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Ohh gosh ok. There's a couple of small nuances to de-orphaning properly. The whole point of de-orphaning is to integrate stuff better into the encyclopedia so that people can find more content organically/by accident rather than only by searching specifically for it. The criteria for what links count as de-orphaning reflect that purpose, and they are listed on WP:ORPHAN if you read a little farther down.

The major thing to remember is that to count for orphan purposes, links to the article need to be from inside another encyclopedia article ("mainspace" or "articlespace"). So anything not in the article namespace (for example links that start with Talk or Wikipedia) is not a valid link for de-orphaning because it's not in the actual encyclopedia. Second, redirects on their own don't count, because they are also not integrated into the encyclopedia - they're just other names that point to the same article in case someone gets confused when searching. And third (although not relevant for Bactiguard Wire Brass), disambiguation pages also don't count because they're also not really articles, they're like signposts for when a bunch of things have a similar name.

So if you look at Bactiguard Wire Brass, even though it has some things that link to it, none of the things that link to it are from actual article space, they're all Talk pages or redirects. So it's still an orphan because nothing links to it in article space. Does that make sense? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:19, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

ah, i missed that part. so most of the links are redirects, however, there are links on the article which are valid incoming links, which are brass band and Warrington. here is some quote from Wikipedia:Orphan:

Although a single, relevant incoming link is sufficient to remove the tag, three or more is ideal and will help ensure the article is reachable by readers.

the page says that one incoming link is okay to remove the tag, and that the 3+ links are just recommendations. so is it okay for you to consider this article not an orphan, but underlinked? well, either way, your response above is important for me for future de-orphaning that i will do. :) TemTem (talk) 01:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Ohh I see the problem! De-orphaning is about ensuring that other articles link to the article in question, not that the article in question has links out to other articles. If you look on the left under "Tools" you'll see "What links here". Those are the links WP:ORPHANAGE is concerned with, not the bluelinks in the article itself. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:06, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

uh oh, i made a huge mistake. i am going to fix my mistake. i'm sorry for wasting your time. TemTem (talk) 05:25, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

TemTem, lol, nooo don't be sorry. Everyone makes mistakes and the great thing about Wikipedia is that everything is always saved, so any mistakes can be easily fixed :) The important thing is that you wanted to help with a backlog and that's really awesome, so please don't feel bad and never ever think that you wasted my time. If you are interested in adding links inside articles, sometimes casually known as "wikifying", you may be interested in the category of articles with too few wikilinks. But if you want to stick around at WP:ORPHANAGE we would love to have the help. Everyone on the talk page there is super welcoming and happy to give de-orphaning tips. I'm also happy to help you out here if you want. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:39, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

well, i am going to stick with WP:ORPHANAGE and truly remove non-orphans from the backlog so that other members will not waste time on fixing something that is not broken or already fixed. and thanks to you, i know what really an orphan is :) TemTem (talk) 06:11, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good! We love seeing new faces around. Ping me or come say hOI! any time you need anything or if you want to chat :) (PS excellent username) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:37, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Panzer 88

I notice you closed Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Panzer 88 as "delete" but it seems you did not delete the page. Is something else up with this? There's an editor making a lot of noise about it but I don't see a deletion review in progress. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 01:29, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh shit, QuickClose must not have gone through fully. I've deleted it properly now. Thanks for the heads up. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:58, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frédéric Boniface

Hello! Your submission of Frédéric Boniface at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:55, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

AEN Ayiou Georgiou Vrysoullon-Acheritou

I'm not sure why you redirected AEN Ayiou Georgiou Vrysoullon-Acheritou. Teams in the 3rd, and even 4th level of Cypriot football are generally notable, and this team in particular meets WP:FOOTYN having both played in national level league(s), and also participating in a national cup. I'm not sure why the discussion for a similar team Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ormideia FC is apparently going in a different direction. Nfitz (talk) 02:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Because the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AEN Ayiou Georgiou Vrysoullon-Acheritou was clearly to not keep the article as a standalone. There was only a single comment arguing for keep and even that argument was based on primary sources and wasn't strong. I have no idea about the other AfD; I haven't seen it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

As pointed out in the AFD, http://www.rsssf.com/tablesc/cyp3part.html is not a primary source. And a primary source like the league's end-of-season table is fine, as there is no interpretation necessary. Also I added information about their national cup participation to the article itself which I'm not sure that User:Fenix down, User:L3X1, or User:K.e.coffman examined (or User:GiantSnowman for that matter). Nfitz (talk) 08:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I have no objection to you taking it to deletion review for re-assessment, but I am confident in my close. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm happy with the close too. WP:FOOTYN is just an essay, not a notability guideline, so whilst in general AfDs may result in decisions that align with it, it has no formal bearing in close rationales. I think the merge is fine. Appearances in a cup specifically designed for lower league teams is not what I would deem to be a national cup as it specifically excludes a number of more notable clubs. Furthermore, the most notable events in the club's history seem to have occurred prior to the merger. As such I don't think we need to have two articles on what is essentially the same club, especially given that there is a redirect. If wider GNG can be shown for the merged club then I have no problem with a fork at some point in the future. Regarding the other AfD, the keep votes there seem reasonable as that is a club that has always been a single club and isn't the result of a merger. Fenix down (talk) 08:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, if we are treating the the redirect as a merge, I suppose it might make sense. Though I have to think we probably should have gone the opposite direction if there was only to be one article (which is also fine). That's a good point about the other article, having only been one team. I'd think there'd be some coverage in the media, but it is hard to find good sources. Nfitz (talk) 08:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to flip it the other way around, if the AEN name is the more recent one. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

• I think that is the solution, I think I'll do that at some point over the weekend. That will give (partial) reverts to both of your last edits on the articles. Nfitz (talk) 06:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Ended up doing it now, as I noticed that User:Xaris333 had already started the job, after the discussion here. Nfitz (talk) 07:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Frédéric Boniface

— Maile (talk) 12:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Deleted page for Eseyas Debesay

Requesting deletion reversal for the page Eseyas Debesay as it is an African singer stub. Sources should not be scrutinized as much as for living persons in the western hemisphere as there is little or no western press coverage for relatively well known people in the Africa region. This is part of a larger effort to not discriminate against those located in unconnected regions in the world - @WikiProject Africa, I suggest we keep the page alive and slowly populate and improve it with the help of the very few people working on this type of pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Divex (talk • contribs) 03:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

With due respect, Wikipedia requires reliable sources to support all content, particularly BLPs. There is no requirement that sources be Western, only that they be reliable - African newspapers and magazines will do just fine, even if they are not in English. The article was sourced to two YouTube interviews, which are not reliable sources for the purpose of establishing notability. I am happy to restore the page to Draftspace, where it can be worked on as you suggest, but we really should not have unreliably-sourced BLPs in mainspace. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi PMC, thank you for your comments at my RfA. I hope that I'll be able to answer your concerns with my actions rather than my words. Cheers, ansh666 23:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Ansh666, for what it's worth, I don't think you'll be a bad admin in any way. If it were more contentious I wouldn't have struck my support, because I do think you'll do well with the tools. I actually went to your talk page to write a congrats message then stopped because I thought it might be awkward so I'm glad you came by here. I look forward to seeing you at XfDs with an admin hat :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:32, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

"Amr El-Shamy" Rereview Deleted article

please, review Deleted "Amr El-Shamy" Amr_El-Shamy article and restore it and revote, it's only two votes vs one vote, Thank you. Timetoday195 (talk) 17:47, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

AfD is not a straight numerical vote. It's a discussion. The arguments for delete, including the nomination, clearly indicated that participants agreed that there was not sufficient ongoing coverage of the subject to support a standalone article. If you have more sources that would indicate he does pass the artist notability guideline or the general notability guideline, please post them here for review. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:37, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Clever Settings of Wild Life with Miniature Animal Figurines, 11 Photoshop Tips and Secrets From Top Designers and Artists, This Photographer Shoots Gorgeous Wildlife Photos… in His Room,

Egipski fotograf wykonuje zdjęcia dzikich zwierząt w domu, 5 Trik fotografi ini pasti bikin kamu tertipu, seni tingkat tinggi nih, Amr Elshamy Turns Toy Models Into A Dramatic Sci-Fi Scene, Amr Elshamy: The Art of Storytelling and Magical Sceneries, Colors of Ramadan by Amr Elshamy, The Photoshop 2017 Splash Screen by Amr Elshamy, ¡Amr Elshamy lo combina todo!,
Amr Elshamy photographie la faune aquatique dans son studio, Round Things, les jolies créations digitales de Amr Elshamy, THIS PHOTOGRAPHER CREATES WILDLIFE AND UNDERWATER PHOTOS WITHOUT LEAVING HIS STUDIO, Te niesamowite zdjęcia dzikiej przyrody powstają w... pokoju fotografaEgyptian artist defies odds with Photoshop's newest cover, Young Egyptian artist’s illustration makes it to Photoshop’s opening splash - Daily News Egypt, عمله تصدَّر واجهة "فوتوشوب".. مصري يبهر العالم بأعماله الرقمية, Egyptian Artist Designs Adobe Photoshop’s Newest Cover, المصري عمرو الشامي يروي قصة اختيار صورته لغلاف «فوتوشوب سي سي 2017», صورة لشاب مصري على غلاف فوتوشوب 2017, بعد 12 عاما من التجارب.. عمرو الشامي أول عربي يصمم صورة غلاف "فوتوشوب 2017", مصراوي يحاور صاحب صورة غلاف "فوتوشوب 2017", إنتاج مصري يتصدر غلاف الإصدار الجديد لفوتوشوب, مصرى يصمم غلافًا للإصدار الجديد من برنامج "فوتوشوب", "العين" تحاور الشامي.. أول مصري يضع بصمته على غلاف "فوتوشوب" FIRST EGYPTIAN ARTIST FEATURED ON PHOTOSHOP IS MORE FAMOUS ABROAD THAN AT HOME, EGYPTIAN ARTIST DESIGNS ADOBE PHOTOSHOP’S COVER,Amr Elshamy’s tips, techniques and Photoshop journey, The BULLY Project Mosaic: Art for A Movement, Interview with The Phoblographer,

So please check out the sources there a lot more but I think that's enough, there more stuff on Google as well, "some in Arabic" so please concerned it again and restore the page if possible, Thank you. Timetoday195 (talk) 11:27, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Sources used to assess notability must comply with our reliable sources policy. Primarily, they should be in-depth (more than just a paragraph), independent (ie NOT produced or paid for by the subejct), and reliably accurate (ie they have editorial oversight and fact-checking). My assessment of the sources you've posted:

1. Fubiz is a combination blog/promotional platform for artists and brands, so not really reliable. Even if we take it at face value it's also only a paragraph long so barely "in-depth". Not great.
2. The Shutterstock article is not a critical discussion of the subject, but a promotional listicle that features a "tip" from the subject (among others). It does nothing to establish his notability as an artist.
3. PetaPixel is sourced to Phoblographer, which is a blog. They solicit articles from photographers here so they are clearly not independent.
4. swiatobrazu.pl is not in-depth, it is merely a repeat (translated into Polish) of the content from Fubiz/Phoblographer.
5. brillo.net is another listicle; lists of tips from artists are not critical discussions or overviews of the artist or their work, they do not show notability.
6. designfaves.com and designideas.pics are both blogs with no editorial oversight, you can just submit stuff to them and they'll post it, so no way to confirm independence.
7. steemit is social media, so not reliable.

Long story short, none of the sources posted meet the criteria in our reliable sources guideline. At this point I am not going to undelete the article. However, you are free to ask for other opinions at deletion review, where they can review my close and determine if I was correct. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

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Redirect

Hello,

It is not a "wiki" script to make those. Some are done manually, but I do have a separate macro program running sometime with a Excel spreadsheet in the background for the long tasks. The main spreadsheet is a result of two other spreadsheets of formatting to get the redirect raw wiki code and the other is the web address. The macro copies and pastes from the main spreadsheet to make the redirect. It is something that can be done manually, but it takes the repetitive nature of it out. That is all there is to it. Red Director (talk) 12:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

@Red Director: I'm fairly sure that any kind of mass-scale, high-speed programmed editing, especially of page creation (even redirects) requires approval from the Bot Approvals Group and needs to be in compliance with the Bot policy. Do you have approval for this task somewhere? I did check but can't see anything. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:54, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I did not submit any request to do so. I was unaware that such protocol exists for that. I have stopped the script and will not open it again unless given approval. I apologize for any inconvenience. This goes back to August using this method if you need that information. Red Director (talk) 20:21, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

It's no problem, I just happened to notice them being created while surfing the New Pages feed and wondered about the speed they were getting made at. I'm not a programmer myself so I can't offer any better assistance, but you can make a request at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval and they'll talk you through the process and let you know if it's all right to carry on. You will need to make a separate bot account though. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:51, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

World Resources Institute

I just wanted to let you know that I have since talked to my mentee (@A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver:), about moving World Resources Institute and they misunderstood how drafification works (over deletion), I have since cleared that up. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 21:11, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

No problem. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:15, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Death to illegal aliens and commie traitors

Please revoke talk page privileges. Death threat. Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 06:25, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Done just before I got this message :) Revdelling it now. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:26, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Frédéric Boniface

Hello. I thought I'd already thanked you for this, but was mistaken. So thanks, albeit belated: it's always good to have one's work appreciated. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

No problem. I had to pay my respects given how much of an improvement you made to that article during the AfD. Cheers right back :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Gus Birney

Could you perhaps reconsider your decision at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gus Birney? As I set out in my last comment (I didn't bother replying to the responder as they seemingly obfuscated my argument), she does meet WP:NACTOR/WP:ENT due to her significant role in a NYT reviewed production of The Rose Tattoo, where she had the third-largest part. The fact that the review does not comment on her performance in detail is irrelevant for the purposes of WP:NACTOR. Edwardx (talk) 11:08, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Overall the consensus was that she didn't meet WP:NACTOR, or if she did it was just barely and without much RS coverage to back it up. NACTOR asks for multiple roles, not just two, and third-largest part is a bit of a stretch for a "significant" role. I'm willing to userfy the article as a draft, on the assumption that this is just a case of WP:TOOSOON and that more coverage will be forthcoming with more roles. Otherwise you're free to contest my close at DRV, I take no offense to more eyes looking at my close. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:08, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps this comes down to a difference of interpretation on "multiple". Wiktionary defines multiple as "more than one". If the intent of NACTOR was to mean "three or more", then should it not read "three or more" rather than "multiple"? I've searched the talkpage archive for Wikipedia:Notability (people), and can find nothing to support multiple as meaning three or more. Edwardx (talk) 23:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

I tend to interpret notability criteria a little less by the precise letter of the policy (remember, we're not a bureaucracy) and a little more by the available sources (especially for a BLP, which we have to be pretty stringent about). I think if a subject has few roles (ie only 2 or 3), you need a lot more in-depth sourcing to show the significance of those roles for the purpose of the subject being notable.

If the most important roles on her resume are the third-listed role in a cancelled single-season TV show and a third-listed role in a play, then there needs to be lots of commentary telling us how significant those roles were. But that sourcing wasn't there. She was barely name-dropped in the NYT review of that play, which suggests that maybe the role wasn't that significant after all. If it were, they would have found the space to comment on it. Without sources discussing the significance of her roles, there's no real basis for claiming the role is significant except subjective opinion.

Overall, I think the consensus in the AfD was that this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, rather than a case of someone completely lacking notability. Again, I can draftify it for the time being pending more sources, but I'm not going to restore the article to main. Deletion review is also an option; the commenters at that venue may well disagree with my assessment and overturn my close. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:35, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Romanian cave

Hello, I'm not that fluent in Romanian, but without any translating tool help I confirm the length in both articles is stated as 11,000 meters. Regards, --— J. F. B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 05:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, I appreciate you taking the time to look. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:35, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Site [1] indicates that the estimated length of the cave is of about 20.5 kilometers, out of which about 11.0 km have been explored by speologists and the rest is still waiting for exploaration. The 11.0 km is a rounded up figure, the correct length is 10.330 km. This seems to be the length of the underground reach of the Topolnița river as it crosses the cave.Afil (talk) 22:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for checking for me, I appreciate it! ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:11, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Caves and vultures

At a quick glance, Reportaj Mehedinti is saying in 2014 that the river Topolnita enters the cave system at the Prosacul entrance and emerges, 11,000 metres further on, at the Ciocirlie mouth. This information is credited to Doru Tîrlui, mayor of Cireșu, speaking to AGERPRES. On the other hand, Adevarul Turnu-Severin says that the cave is 11,000 metres long and is the 3rd [longest] in Romania and the 17th in the world. It says further on that 11 km have been explored up to 2013. Seems everyone is sure about the 11,000 metres but not so sure what is being measured.

You probably know, the Romanian article ro:Peștera Topolnița says 10,330 metres. The source for this figure, which is sufficiently precise to be half-convincing, was formerly cited on that page, but a recent editor didn't like it. Here is that source: it's about a family of vultures Gypaetus barbatus. Andrew Dalby 13:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!! I was thinking maybe the 11,000m figure had to do with the length of one of the main passages, and the source talking about the river suggests that maybe that is the case. Possibly the 25km figure is the entire collective length of every passage in the cave, which would make sense. Also, I appreciate you finding that source about the vultures for me :D I can definitely use that. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Trou au Natron

On 12 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Trou au Natron, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Trou au Natron volcanic caldera has four smaller volcanoes and a salt crust on its floor? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Trou au Natron. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Trou au Natron), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Shafi Group

User:Premeditated Chaos, this is a request to please provide me a copy of recently deleted article Shafi Group which was deleted by you on 11 October 2017 as an administrator. I was very disappointed that it was deleted. I had worked hard to add 5 new references and 3 external links (the article was previously unreferenced since 2008). I feel I had worked hard to improve it. In my view Leather International business magazine coverage of Shafi Group was already in-depth coverage of the leather tanneries and leather products. My references were mostly solid Reliable Sources - for example Business Recorder (business newspaper) is the "largest business newspaper" of Pakistan per our own Wikipedia article. Dawn (newspaper) is another reliable source and is very frequently used on Wikipedia as a reference. Most of all Bloomberg business website is a huge international website, not a business directory like one person commented on the 'Deletion Discussion Forum'. I personally know this from my life experiences. I am a 71 year old retired Ford engineer and have been playing the stock market since 1983 from my home in Michigan. Have been editing Wikipedia, as a hobby, for nearly 5 years and am somewhat proud of the fact that I have never "intentionally reverted" anybody's edited work on Wikipedia. You can review my contributions and record on Wikipedia. In short, I think I should be given another chance to improve the article. I am open to any suggestions from you. THANKS Ngrewal1 (talk) 01:37, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ngrewal1. We have some pretty strict standards when it comes to referencing businesses and corporations. Businesses tend to generate a lot of fairly shallow press-release style coverage as a byproduct of existing - lots of stuff like, "this business exists and has 500 employees, they make X product and Ms. Smith is their CEO." As a result, we require very in-depth coverage of businesses in order for sources to be acceptable as indications of notability (WP:CORPDEPTH is the relevant guideline).

To give a quick review of the sources from the page: LeatherMag is a trade magazine of limited audience, so while the coverage isn't bad, it doesn't indicate the kind of "attention by the world at large" that the overall notability policy asks for. While Bloomberg is a huge business website, merely having the company's business listed there isn't enough to indicate encyclopedic notability. We need something substantial like a business profile written by a staffer (not a blogger or amateur contributor) - just a listing with no critical commentary fails WP:CORPDEPTH. The Business Recorder article is less about the actual company than about the whole leather industry in Pakistan - again not really the depth of coverage of the company that we're looking for.

If you think you can find more sources that comply with CORPDEPTH, I can restore the page to your userspace to be worked on, but I would ask you not to restore it to mainspace without confirming with an experienced editor (anyone, not just me) that the sources meet CORPDEPTH. If you don't want to do that, but still disagree with my close, I happily invite you to post at deletion review seeking a second opinion of my close. If they find that it was in error they will overturn it and restore the article to mainspace. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:52, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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So rude. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:27, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, actually that's what we call "uncivil" here on WP.. hold on lemme find the template.. :P Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 02:38, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Um, have you even read WP:CIVIL? Are you a Certified Regular? Do you have your license to be templating? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:01, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I'm sensing a lot of hostility here. And I looked into it, and unless you're a professor from the 1800s, you're not notable, and I can delete your user page. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 03:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

How do you know I'm not a professor from the 1800s? OR alert!! ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:15, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay, first off.. rude. Second, OR what? It's seen as good form to complete your sentences on Wikipedia. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 03:20, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

U r so blocked ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Portal:AKB48

Hi there! You've just deleted Portal:AKB48. Could you undelete it temporarily, and then delete it again with the "delete subpages" box ticked? There are all these subpages. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:24, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

• D-Batched. Thanks for the heads up. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:48, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Triscuit

FYI, I like eating Triscuits. (Not by themselves, generally, but with some soft cheese on top or the like.) :)

— Fennec

I'm going to put that in the article :) "Self-report studies have indicated that at least one person is known to like eating triscuits, preferably with soft cheese, but skeptical scientists remain unconvinced." ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:17, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

A page you deleted

According to the page log, you deleted the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BANX_%26_RANX because of "Insufficient citations to satsify WP:NMUSIC" [sic]

I've had a look at the criteria listed in WP:NMUSIC and requested more info from the artist's management.

In fact, they more than meet the criteria for notability. List below.

Please reinstate what you deleted so that I may add the credits ASAP.

Thanks Sifr4

Signed to Parlophone Records in the UK: https://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/article/wnwkj4/banx-ranx-producers-interview-montreal-kny-factory-soke

Producers and writers on – Olly Murs Kiss Me – Certified Gold in UK and on the double platinum album Never Been Better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_Me_(Olly_Murs_song) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olly_Murs

Production and co-writing - Nicky Jam ‘No Te Puedo’ / ‘I Can’t Forget You’ which features on the album ‘Fénix’ which was recently nominated for Album of the Year at the Latin Grammy Awards. https://www.latingrammy.com/en/nominees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Grammy_Award_for_Album_of_the_Year http://www.flexupcrew.com/banx-ranx-officially-latin-grammy-nominated-producers-for-best-album-of-the-year/

Production and co-writing - Sean Paul ft. Chi Chi Ching - ‘Crick Neck’ which featured on the soundtrack to the Usain Bolt documentary ‘I Am Bolt http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4647900/soundtrack http://www.music-news.com/news/UK/101924/Usain-Bolt-I-m-really-into-music-I-almost-built-a-studio-at-my-house

Producers of the Official remix of Gorillaz ft. Popcaan ‘Saturn Barz’ & Gorillaz ft. Mavis Staples & Pusher T ‘Let Me Out’ http://www.nme.com/news/music/gorillaz-reveal-four-remixes-humanz-2056383 http://www.factmag.com/2017/04/02/remix-gorillaz-banx-and-ranx-saturn-barz-popcaan/

Produced and co-wrote Fuse ODG Window Seat http://dailypost.ng/music/2017/06/27/fuse-odg-window-seat-prod-banx-ranx/ https://www.naijavibes.com/2017/06/fuse-odg-window-seat-prod-by-banx-ranx/ http://www.ghanamotion.com/fuse-odg-window-seat-prod-by-banx-ranx/

sifr4 (talk) 08:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I will restore the page but I will take it to AfD for a full community discussion. Please feel free to post at the deletion discussion once I have it up and running. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

WP:JR moves

Thanks for helping with these. I'll be working no the corresponding cleanup edits in the those articles, and removing them from the list at User:Certes/JrSr/titles#Normal_cases. Let me know if you want to be helping with that, too. Dicklyon (talk) 17:21, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Ahh sorry honestly probably not it was just something I came across at CAT:CSD and did a bunch that were there. I'll do more if I see them there though. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Topolnița Cave

Hello! Your submission of Topolnița Cave at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! – filelakeshoe (t / c)  12:03, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Request for inclusion of The Jadavpur Association of International Relations in Wikipedia.

Dear Madam, You have recently edited an article about The Jadavpur Association of International Relations. I shall be grateful, if an article about the association is created. There is a large demand for information regarding the association in India. There are plenty of sourses in the web it self which explains the authenticity of the Association and its activities. The formal website of the Association is www.jair.net.in. I shall be grateful if you could kindly publish about The Jadavpur Association of International Relations (JAIR) in the wikipedia. Thanking you,

With my best regards,

Dr. Imankalyan Lahiri General Secretary, JAIR

If there are plenty of sources on the web that provide information on the association, could you please post some of them here for review? At the time I deleted the article, it had been without reliable sources for some time. That blue link is our sourcing policy. Please read it and keep in mind our criteria for what constitutes a reliable source when providing sources here. Please also read our notability policy, which requires multiple independent sources in order for us to consider something notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:38, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Topolnița Cave

On 28 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Topolnița Cave, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Topolnița Cave is home to the largest colony of greater horseshoe bats in Europe? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Topolnița Cave. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Topolnița Cave), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:04, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Busan Foreign School

I already sent it to AfD. We don't need two active discussions on the same topic. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

• Yeah dude it was obviously a mistake, relax. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

California wildfire userbox

Thank you for your help resolving this deletion discussion. I'm still learning my way around this organization, and apparently didn't have a good grasp on the userbox etiquette. I've tried to stay away from polarizing issues or anything antagonistic, but it seems there are a few more userbox conventions I missed. I would value your suggestions on where I might find more information. In the meantime I'm inclined to stay in my own userspace. The userboxes I have created don't seem to be used enough to justify cluttering up the userbox lists.

I envy you living in Vancouver. I fell in love with the city when I first visited in 1965. My paternal grandmother was born in Prince Edward Island, but her family moved to Boston when the Canadian wooden shipbuilding industry collapsed in the 1880s. I moved to the Pacific northwest for field engineering work in California's redwood forests, but only during vacations am I lucky enough to travel north of the Columbia River. Of course, we have to balance the wonderful coastal climate and enlightened populace with living on the Cascadia subduction zone. The wildfires have temporarily captured the attention of northern Californians, but the wildfire risk seems insignificant in comparison to the Hayward fault, with an average interval of 140 years between major earthquakes, and the last major quake 150 years ago. In the late 20th century, the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) identified three situations with risk of major disaster for the United States. The first was a hurricane flooding the Mississippi delta city of New Orleans, the second was an airliner hitting a skyscraper, and the third was a major earthquake on the Hayward fault. Aside from the fault running right through the cities on the east side of San Francisco Bay, the shaking would likely disrupt the flow of the major water supplies to San Francisco from the Sierra Nevada, and from northern California to Los Angeles. I feel like a fugitive from the law of averages. I hope the Cascadia subduction zone is less threatening to Vancouver. Thewellman (talk) 06:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

It's no problem! Part of the issue is that this is hardly an "organization", so guidelines and policies and conventions can be all over the place or even unwritten sometimes. Don't worry about it; we see Template-space userboxes at MfD reasonably often and unless they're really nasty they generally get userfied. Further reading about the so-called "userbox wars" can be found here Category:Wikipedia userbox discussions, and particularly Wikipedia:T1 and T2 debates. You may wish to bring some popcorn, or possibly a stiff drink, as it can get fairly stupid if you really dig into the talk archives (honestly I wouldn't bother, it's actually painful how much time and energy got devoted to the whole mess).

Unfortunately despite how nice Vancouver can be, we are also at huge risk from the Cascadia zone. Vancouver Island will take the brunt of it, but mainland Vancouver will also take a wallop if it ever goes off. Here's hoping that's not in my lifetime, but I'm young enough that there's a pretty solid chance I'll still be here if it does. I'll just have to keep enjoying the rain in the meantime :) I still want to visit and explore California sometime, I've been to Disneyland but that's hardly visiting the state proper. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 11:00, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2017).

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Draft:NonStop Da Hitman

I agree that I could have simply redirected it... however, I didn't think a redirect was appropriate, since it was to a draft. What happens to the redirect if the draft either gets accepted, or gets deleted through the G13 process? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:48, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

If Draft:Nonstop Da Hitman gets promoted and a redirect to main gets left in draftspace (ie Draft:Nonstop Da Hitman --> Nonstop Da Hitman), then the duplicate will also remain as a redirect. If Draft:Nonstop Da Hitman gets G13'd or otherwise deleted, then Draft:NonStop Da Hitman will get deleted as a redirect to a nonexistent page. Same thing for the other one. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

A pie for you!

For excellent recent contributions. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Gary Cassin

According to the page log you deleted - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Cassin - it is because "Unclear that he ever played in a first team match between two fully professional clubs".

Longford Town Football Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longford_Town_F.C.) have since become semi professional, but at the time of playing Gary was fully professional.

Here are some links to prove that Gary played for Longford Town:

http://ltfc.ie/club-history/club-stats/2000s/2005-2/

http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/longford-town/2005/2/

http://www.footballsquads.co.uk/ireland/2004/prem/longford.htm

http://en.eufo.de/index/squad/longford-town/2007

https://upclosed.com/people/gary-cassin/

Please reinstate what you deleted. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.42.66.197 (talk) 07:53, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

• Restored and taken to AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Cassin. Please feel free to comment. I apologize for the delay in responding to this - I forgot it was there because it was in the middle of my page. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Since you seem to be having a good morning...

And are want to pass out thanks and such, mind having a look at Đăng Đàn Cung, looks like they're fresh off a block and fresh off a string of rev del'd edits, presumably for copyvio, since they just dropped back by, vandalized a user page with essentially "your mother" and immediately started adding content that's copyvio, looks mostly likely to be from here. GMG^talk 14:28, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Revdel'd and indef'd. I am having a fun morning! :) I hope you are as well. Is it wrong that I find it weirdly funny that he used the Vietnamese equivalent of "your mother", and also that there is a Vietnamese equivalent of "your mother"? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:33, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I... was slightly surprised that google translate was so... straightforward. At any rate, I suspect they may not speak enough English in order to be corrected, which is unfortunate, but required nonetheless. GMG^talk 14:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Need help

I noticed in IRC that you were looking for some help with your scripts. I'm happy to assist. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hopefully, this will make a difference for you. If not, please do let me know. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

YAAAAAAS you're the king it all works perfectly now thank you!! :D:D:D ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

CTV (Singapore) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect CTV (Singapore). Since you had some involvement with the CTV (Singapore) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:07, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2017/Candidates

Is currently missing a certain candidate. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:12, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Quite notably so. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 21:44, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

TonyBallioni, Drewmutt: [2] ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

[gasp, with excitement] good luck! Alex Shih (talk) 04:34, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Alex Shih: Thanks, you too! ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:16, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Good work!

I think you did the right thing with User:Annalisa Ventola/Sources for parapsychology, and for the right reason. Lou Sander (talk) 02:41, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

I think it's a fair compromise. I lean a little closer to JzG's views on the actual content, but I also have lived at MfD long enough to know that it's usually more accepted to blank userpages than to delete them. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Really?

Ok, the license states: This image will only be used for the Zar je važno da l' se peva ili pjeva? World Tour, and that article has been deleted. The purpose of the image was for that one article only and you removed the speedy delete. Why? It can't be used for any other article so it goes beyond "orphan". You'd rather wait 3 more days? ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

The CSD criteria F3 is clear in that it applies to things with an "improper" license like non-commercial or "Wikipedia use only". It is not applicable to files correctly identified as fair-use. I do owe you a small apology however, I should have F5'd it instead. I was under the mistaken impression that F5 forces a one-week wait, but it actually does allow for immediate deletion if the image came from a deleted article. So I did make a mistake there and I apologize; I'm about to go fix it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Module:Break

Articles that are in Category:Pages with script errors are listed at [3]. That link normally lists nothing, or perhaps a couple of recently broken articles. It shows more than 500 articles at the moment because Module:Break was deleted per this MfD. A quick remedy would be to undelete the module. To see the problem, search for "Script error" on any of the listed articles. That does not always work, for example Luft is in the list but is not currently showing an error because the article has not been purged recently. However, the article does have the error. Articles which display the error include Frank Zappa and Science. Johnuniq (talk) 21:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I second this. Please note that {{break}} template that uses the module is currently being used on about 16 thousand pages and eventually all these will be broken. The template is protected, so it takes at least a template editor to fix it. — Mike Novikoff 22:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I have restored it, with apologies. I am somewhat mystified that a module so widely used did not attract more users to comment on it. Is there something that MfD regulars can do to encourage more participation? When the last one came along, I posted to WT:LUA for input/confirmation, but didn't get any. Is there a better place to alert module users? Should we refer these discussions to TfD instead, as suggested at Wikipedia_talk:Templates_for_discussion#Should_pages_in_the_.22Module:.22_namespace_be_discussed_at_TfD_instead_of_MfD.3F? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I guess it would be better for modules and templates to be discussed at the one place where there is a higher chance that people interested in that sort of thing would notice. One issue is that module writers are often busy and focus on what they are doing without much concern for other modules. That's because it can take hours to make a single edit to a module and it is often necessary to avoid distractions. I only noticed the MfD because I was watching the user's talk where the notice was placed. Johnuniq (talk) 02:52, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Although these problems could have been prevented by just using the Module:String-based version I suggested in the MfD. {{repeat|p|3}}ery (talk) 04:13, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Right, I can understand the amount of focus required. I think TfD would definitely attract a more technical-minded crowd who understand the use cases of Modules better. I went and left a comment at that stalled-out discussion, and I'm going to leave a note at WT:LUA. Anywhere else you can think of I could leave a message to get some eyes? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:25, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

WP:VPT is not quite right but a brief mention there would be desirable because many people interested in templates and modules monitor that page. Johnuniq (talk) 06:14, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Bird Island, Hawaii

Regarding your close of this AfD, you stated that named geographic features such as islands pass WP:GEOLAND. That doesn't mean we keep an article when there aren't sufficient sources. WP:GEOLAND is quite clear on this and states

"Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc. The number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river."

Given there clearly isn't enough verifiable content to write an encyclopedia article on this ephemeral sand spit, a redirect was surely indicated by this policy? --Pontificalibus (talk) 07:09, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

You know what, on review, you're completely right. I had come under the impression that the Bird Island referred to in Executive Order 1019 was the Bird Island that forms the topic of the article, which to me indicated it was notable enough to be called out in a presidential order as a reservation site, and so ought to be kept. The book source presented at the AfD seemed to support that. I actually just spent about 20 minutes digging for sources to confirm all that because the book is incomplete online, but instead I found File:Hawaiian_Islands_Reservation_EO_1019_illustration.jpg, which shows Bird Island way the hell to the east of the Pearl and Hermes atoll - meaning it's obviously a different Bird Island and also that I was wrong as hell.

Anyway long story short I'm about to go amend my close. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you to User:Pontificalibus for persisting and to PMC for revising your close. Although I voted "Keep" in the AFD and didn't get around to changing that, I think that "Redirect" was the right outcome. By the way, though, I revised the redirect to point to Bird Island#Hawaii (an anchor at the two Hawaii ones within the now-revised Bird Island disambiguation page), which I think is an improvement along lines I suggested in the AFD. My redirecting the Bird Island, Hawaii and Bird Island (Hawaii) redirects that way does not require a formal discussion anywhere, but I thought I would let you both know. --Doncram (talk) 21:37, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you PMC for looking at this again. The USGS source I gave at the bottom of the AfD I think makes it clear there is no Bird Island there now, although only by omission. I already added a paragraph into the Pearl and Hermes Atoll Geography section to indicate how it was likely washed away. It would be interesting to see what the book source has to say, perhaps you'd be kind enough to alert me when you get the hard copy? --Pontificalibus (talk) 07:05, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Chris Percival (Entrepreneur)

Could you please restore this article to AfC so it can be improved by other editors. A great deal of work was put into this to present notability and other editors agreed it was very close to being acceptable for Wiki. It is not appropriate for editors to have to re-write something which requires such little improvement to make acceptable. Thank you. Wikidocs (talk) 08:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC) Wikidocs (talk) 08:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

As far as I can tell on the page, Theroadislong clearly declined the article three times. There were no comments on the article or the talk page that indicated he "agreed it was very close to being acceptable." If he made such a comment elsewhere, please link me to it so I can see. At this time, I have no intentions of restoring it to mainspace. I also have no intentions of restoring it to draftspace, since you actually moved it out of draft into main manually despite those three declines, circumventing the AfC process. While you have the "right" to do that, it shows an unwillingness to work within community process and norms. Plus, the discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Jigsaw Records seems to indicate you have a strong conflict of interest that you are failing to disclose. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Restore Morocco World News

Please restore the approved page Morocco World News as it was earlier passed and has been there for months, it is an international newspaper and deserves space on wiki, I had worked very hard to acquire it's information. Please check the history, speedy tag should not have been applied. I don't know why that has been done. Gamesofwikithrones (talk) Gamesofwikithrones (talk) 12:34, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Simply existing as a paper isn't enough to meet our criteria. The newspaper presently fails our specific notability criteria for newspapers, so we cannot assume notability on that basis. It also fails the general notability guideline (GNG), as far as I can tell. The GNG requires multiple in-depth sources to exist which discuss the topic, not simply quote or list it. While the sources in the article verify certain facts in the article, none of them are the kind of in-depth reliable sources we need for a GNG pass. The MarocPress.com article is actually by the MWN, MarocPress is just a re-publisher (or a host or an aggregator or something) so that especially doesn't work. If there's other sources that verify the article meets the criteria please let me know, but unfortunately right now it doesn't. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:37, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hereby, I will post all references and links and international media mentions of Morocco World News as a prime source and as an established news tabloid from Morocco that will establish its credibility and the reason that earlier editors had approved it for so many months it was not removed, it is the only english national paper of Morocco:

1. Centre for International Media Assistance https://www.cima.ned.org/blog/youth-media-development-middle-east/

"Anthony Abate is one such stakeholder. Abate, a current Peace Corps volunteer in Morocco and CIMA alum, is part of a team working on Morocco World News Junior, the youth platform of the country’s largest English-language news website, Morocco World News. Slated for a February 2015 launch, Morocco World News Junior aims to involve Moroccan youth in news production and, as Abate says, “realize that news and media is something that can be interactive and fun.”

2. Atlantic Council: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/news/in-the-news/morocco-world-news-morocco-s-assets-as-economic-financial-hub

3. Energy UK: http://www.energynet.co.uk/partner/morocco-world-news

4. Used Wikipedia as source but now link is missing because of sudden deletion: https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/moroccoworldnews

5. AlArabiya quotes it: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2017/06/25/-Drug-dealer-sparks-diplomatic-buzz-between-Morocco-and-the-Netherlands.html

6. AL Jazeera has MWN founders profile: http://www.aljazeera.com/profile/samir-bennis.html

7. Some more links: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/samir-bennis 8. http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/morocco.htm 9. https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.729805 10. http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Africa/Morocco 11. https://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2014/08/26/No-Burkinis-Morocco-hotels-ban-halal-swimsuit.html 12. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/28/seven-year-old-girl-dies-after-elephant-throws-stone-in-morocco-zoo/ 13. https://www.thepaperboy.com/newspaper.cfm?PaperID=2146119377&utm_expid=.efNJTXKkSEiTEEbgLqIivQ.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.in%2F

14. International Bussiness Times: http://www.ibtimes.com/morocco-inside-story-1563928 15. The New Arab: https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/author/2016/4/6/samir-dennis 16. http://www.huffpostmaghreb.com/samir-bennis/ 17. https://agilience.com/en/SamirBennis 18. http://www.marocpress.com/en/moroccoworldnews/article-4007.html 19. http://www.allyoucanread.com/moroccan-newspapers/ 20. http://www.world-newspapers.com/morocco.html 21. https://www.nodanews.com/media_dir/185/ 22. has AFP subscription: https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/author/afp/

Gamesofwikithrones (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

• I have restored the page and nominated it for AfD instead for a full community discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morocco World News. You are free to weigh in there. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:28, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Cirque de la Symphonie

Hello! Your submission of Cirque de la Symphonie at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:26, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

On this day, 14 years ago...

Happy First Edit Day, Premeditated Chaos, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Slightlymad 15:31, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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Channa Dynasty

Hi, Would you take a look again at Channa Dynasty that you deleted earlier today as a cross-namespace redirect? I suspect the article was at Talk:Channa Dynasty where it was moved by User: Kash201313 and should be restored instead of being deleted. I have no access to its history, though.

Also, because of this move and considering that editor's continuing vandalism, it might be wise to revoke his pagemover rights.

Cheers, — kashmiri ^TALK 15:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

• That whole thing was really weird. He created the page as a blank page with the edit summary in the history of Sindh , there was no Channa Dynasty. Then he immediately moved it to its own talk page. There was no legitimate history there to preserve, which is why I just nuked the whole thing. TonyBallioni has now blocked him for a week anyway so hopefully that fixes that. He also doesn't have pagemover as a right, so there's nothing to revoke. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:55, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks. Yep, I reported him for spamming other articles. I will try to look into this whole Channa Dynasty thing, esp. whether it is real or made up. BTW, something must be weird with MediaWiki, because it says on Channa Dynasty: "11:53, 24 November 2017 Kash201313 (talk | contribs) moved page Channa Dynasty to Talk:Channa Dynasty (revert)", even though he can't move pages. Cheers, — kashmiri ^TALK 10:16, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
• Seems like Channa Dynasty was a prank/vandalism to Template:Sindhis by User:Channa23. Reverted, everything looks good for now. — kashmiri ^TALK 10:30, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

• Ahhh, the missing piece of the puzzle. I see. With regards to his moving pages: anybody can move pages if they're autoconfirmed, which he is (and which can't be revoked). Pagemover is only required for suppressing redirects. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:32, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

• Ah, ok. Must have confused them as I have both. Anyhow, I think cross-namespace moves should be more restricted - they are often done by newcomers and then a lot time is wasted fixing them than it's worth. But that's perhaps a subject of another discussion :) — kashmiri ^TALK 11:36, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Sources for Parapsychology

It's not that I did not "deign" it necessary to contribute to the discussion (talk about sarcasm!), it is because the discussion opened and closed within 9 days. Seeing as I work two full time jobs, I rarely log into Wikipedia more than twice a month. As for the sources, those were created during a wikiathon that took place at a meeting of the American Academy for the Advancement of Science during the Wikipedia Year of Science (https://wikiedu.org/yearofscience/). I took the advice of the moderator there to take my idea to the Wikipedia Village Pump where it was a suggested to me to make the resource a user subpage. I can only imagine that the reason why my [WikiHound| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment#Wikihounding] is taking such great trouble to delete it is because it conflicts with his point of view. This is a good faith effort to help make Wikipedia articles more reliable, tucked away safely (I assumed) in a user page so as to avoid COI. My heyday in Wikipedia was 10 years ago - perhaps things have changed since then, but back then user pages were something you more-or-less left alone unless invited to contribute. In my case, I have invited other wiki-editors to refine the resource - not to delete it entirely. Annalisa Ventola _{(Talk | Contribs)} 16:23, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

NoCopyrightSounds

Googled this. Looked interesting in google preview, but it looks like it has been deleted. I don't know anything about Wikipedia deletion policy, but it's disappointing as I would have liked to read it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.18.132 (talk) 03:48, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Pure Collection draft in User:Adrianrowe/sandbox

I note that you have deleted my draft article on the company Pure Collection, and I wonder if you could give me some pointers on what made it 'deletable' so that I can resolve them. As this is my first full page on Wikipedia, I did try to reach out for some advice a couple of days ago, but I hadn't yet acted on their advice, as I work full time. The only pointer I got from the Wikipedian who nominated it as AfD was 'not many pings, bizarre' which didn't give me much to work on. I believe the company is notable (for it's pioneering of sustainable cashmere, and for it's charitable work in Mongolia) and I have tried to ensure the whole article is neutral and well referenced from external sources - Yorkshire Post, The Economist, The Telegraph and the Financial Times. Is there anything else I can do to improve the prose or the referencing? Many thanks Adrianrowe (talk) 23:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

What are your thoughts on including their issues with tax evasion in the article? [4] ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Can I phone you to talk about wikipedia

I live in Vancouver too. 2001:569:7671:F100:E4D9:4A13:9E15:E6C3 (talk) 06:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Nope. That's a weird thing to ask. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:03, 30 November 2017 (UTC)