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Hanni is not dual citzenship/national. .

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Do you have evidence that she is a Vietnamese national? Her ethnicity is vietnamese, but she is born in Australia and lived there, so she is of an Australian citzenship. The Korean entertainment article is misinformation and has no evidence that Hanni has ever received Vietnam Citzenship or a national dual wise. Just because she is ethnically vietnamese. I should know, since I'm a Australian vietnamese and know that she can't possiblity be dual citzenship. I have emailed the author of that Korean article (which is probably translated from Korean) so it might have translation issues. Lightningwhitefox (talk) 11:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Neutrally, everything that you have said on the edit summary in all of your 6RR violation on Hanni (singer) and/or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Lightningwhitefox reported by User:Btspurplegalaxy (Result: ) and/or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User: Btspurplegalaxy reported by User:Lightningwhitefox (Result: ) isn't supported by WP:RELIABLE SOURCEs. You provided a source to a PDF (believed to be an official documents by the Australian Goverment) however nowhere did that PDF supports whatever you're stating explicitly hence it's considered as failed verification, it's your WP:BURDEN to provide citations to WP:VERIFY the materials that you're adding/changing/contesting, in which you failed to do for 6 times straight. In addition, "I should know, since I'm a Australian vietnamese and know that she can't possiblity be dual citzenship" is considered as WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH. I'm not going to WP:EDITWAR with you, given that you clearly don't care about reading the warnings and also complying with the Wikipedia policies and guidelines, I have reported you for your 6RR violation and you will be deal with for such actions as stated in bold in the warnings on your talk page. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 11:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Well you have have no sources for evidence that she is dual national or discuss it in the page's talk. Ofcourse I'm new to wikipedia so I don't know all your wikipedia rules. But I just know that you are putting false information on her page. Lightningwhitefox (talk) 12:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Why not discuss this with the talk page before "rolling" back my changes and not giving me evidence that she has dual nationality. An opinion piece from a Korean entertainment site doesn't prove that she has dual nationality.
Also original research or common law in Australia? The one thing I can prove is that she Australian, but none of you can prove that she has dual nationality or citzen. Just because she's ethnicity is Vietnamese. Most vietnamese families who migrated to Australia, United states were refugees. Most first generation immigrates have children who were born in that country and don't have any national or citzenship with the country the parents were born. Its like saying, just because I'm vietnamese, I'm also a Vietnamese national? doesn't make sense. Lightningwhitefox (talk) 12:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
@Lightningwhitefox It seems you haven't thoroughly read through the policies on WP:BURDEN, WP:VERIFY, and WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH that I linked above. Regardless of whether you are new or a veteran on English Wikipedia, it's essential to strictly adhere to its policies and guidelines when informed. According to VERIFY, quote "In the English Wikipedia, verifiability means people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, experiences, or previously unpublished ideas or information. Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been previously published in a reliable source before you can add it". The Korea Times is not the only source stating the subject as dual nationality; there are multiple reliable sources of similar reputability with the same information. However, per WP:CITEBOMB, we (the editors that contributed to Hanni (singer)) don't include all of them here. Therefore, the statement you made "Well you have have no sources for evidence that she is dual national" contradicts the VERIFY policy. Additionally, your rationale, "I should know, since I'm a Australian vietnamese and know that she can't possiblity be dual citzenship" falls under ORIGINAL RESEARCH. As stated in ORIGINAL RESEARCH, quote "On Wikipedia, original research means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists ... To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented". As mentioned earlier, you failed to provide such sources in all 6RR violations' revert, including in the two three AN/3RR reports, and talk page discussion that was created after violating 3RR, other than providing a failed verification PDF document that does not directly support your rationale i.e. on Australia forbiding dual national. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 12:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Create a Site for TDS3

Hello! I just found out that there's no Wiki page for NCT DREAM's 3rd Tour which is THE DREAM SHOW 3: DREAM( )SCAPE. Can you please make it? I want to see their own Wiki page. Thank you so much! 112.204.194.50 (talk) 01:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@112.204.194.50 Please read through WP:FIRSTARTICLE, and then follow the instructions at WP:ARTICLEWIZARD to create a draft article. No account is required for creating a draft article. However, if you wish, you can also create an account. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 13:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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List of South Korean girl groups has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 08:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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I've applied full protection for three days. Please use the talk page. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 13:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jake Wartenberg, noted and also done at Talk:Lee Min-ho#Listing of "model" as a profession Paper9oll (🔔📝) 14:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 14:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Moving Supersonic (single album) to main page

Hi! I've been working on a draft you created at Draft:Supersonic (single album), and I think it's ready to move to the main page. Now, I can't move it because there's something already there (the redirect to Fromis 9's article) and I can see that you have marked the draft as not afc. So, I wanted to ask you what's the next step from here? Orangesclub (talk) 06:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Orangesclub Too soon imo and also failing WP:NALBUM at this point of time, lets wait till 1 week before release. However, should you wish it to be earlier, I can still move it to mainspace for you. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 10:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
No problem, I'm happy to wait- I had a bit of confusion on the process but that works. Thanks for letting me know! Orangesclub (talk) 10:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
@Orangesclub No problem, happy editing! Paper9oll (🔔📝) 10:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

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Review of article for Gyubin

Hello! I came across this new article, Gyubin for said artist but as far as I know should have been declined and remained as a draft. Sorry, I have close to zero knowledge with respect to the article creation process, so I'm not sure about how to proceed with that and hope you'd help to act on it. I'm not sure who else to seek either. Just for reference, I found Draft:Gyubin which submission was previous declined, and Draft:Park Gyu-bin which is actually the better draft (though without any references etc. as of now). Thank you! Chyx1095 (talk) 12:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Chyx1095, your review was correct. Subject fails WP:GNG, WP:NBLP, and WP:SINGER criteria showing no significant coverage from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject. I have since draftify to Draft:Gyubin (singer) until it's suitable for mainspace i.e. fulfilling the mentioned criteria, should you wish to, you may improve either of the three drafts. Regards, Paper9oll (🔔📝) 13:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 25

Hybe Labels gave them a korean name when they released their music video title Debut. I'm sure it can be allowed to be placed on their wikipage since it's their official korean name even though they are based in the states. 122.55.235.123 (talk) 07:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@122.55.235.123 As mentioned, it's not required as they don't promote in South Korea itself, this is akin to suggesting that we should add the official Korean name to every article regardless of whether the subject is marketing or promoting in South Korea, simply because of existing ties or available information. For example, we don't add a group's official Japanese name unless they've released Japanese-language recordings, and the same reasoning applies here. Read on MOS:LEADCLUTTER and WP:VNOT. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 10:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi! My draft was declined and I made many edits to it afterwards. I asked at the tea house, but editor there do not feel confident reviewing it. I am looking for someone familiar with k-pop. You made edits to the page about the song with individual made, so I decided to ask you to review it. His name is spelled wrong at the page you edited called Fours seasons- about their song. Draft:Afsheen (musician) I do not know his age, but added all the sources I could find on google. As someone who listen to this music, I really wanted to make this article. I have no idea what else I can add. J2009j (talk) 23:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi J2009j, I see that you have submitted the draft for AfC review. Please wait for the next available reviewer to review it. In the meantime, you might want to ensure that the subject of your draft meets the WP:GNG, WP:NBLP, and WP:NMUSIC (particularly WP:SINGER, WP:COMPOSER) criteria. This means showing significant coverage from secondary reliable sources that are independent of the subject and go beyond passing mentions. Regards, Paper9oll (🔔📝) 00:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Yup, I did. I tried to make a lot of improvements. Most editors who are active, are not sure about it, as they are not familiar with this type of music. I only have their comments they think it is fine, but they would like someone else to take a look. I saw you editing page about the song of this individual so it seems you have some knowledge of k-pop. In WP:NMUSIC it is producer a lot of times, and also singer. J2009j (talk) 00:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
@J2009j I appreciate your understanding of the situation. Unfortunately, I've decided not to review the AfC submission. Please wait for the next available reviewer to review the submission. Rest assured, all AfC reviewers are experienced in assessing article submissions. If your draft is still declined, you may find helpful guidance at the WP:TEAHOUSE or the Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Thank you for your patience and understanding. Regards, Paper9oll (🔔📝) 01:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
thank you. I am afraid that nobody is going to reviewed it because it was declined many times. Editors do not scroll down to see the changes. J2009j (talk) 05:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Ive lead edit

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Hello, in this Ive edit you removed Kpop from "Kpop girl group" phrase. I really do not understand why. Aren't they a Kpop group by every possible angle? From production to distribution to songs? And what do you mean with "follows their status quo"? Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 14:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I see that you've reverted my edit on Illit as well, under reasoning that the addition of Kpop in the lead is "not an improvement". In this case Kpop is not present at all in the lead. Which is exceptionally strange. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 14:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi Cinemaandpolitics, changing from South Korean girl group or South Korean boy band or South Korean singer or South Korean rapper or South Korean musician to South Korean K-pop girl group or South Korean K-pop boy band or South Korean K-pop singer or South Korean K-pop rapper or South Korean K-pop musician is inconsistent with other high-quality BLP articles, including FA-class (e.g., BTS) or GA-class (e.g., Blackpink). In which, it's also not the observed status quo. I'm not suggesting that "K-pop" shouldn't be included in the lead, it should be used in a different part of the lead, when summarizing on their musical style or genre coverage, etc, rather than the opening sentence. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 15:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Madein

I just found that you created Madein as a redirect page. Can I ask you move LimeLight to Madein or should I do a proper request at WP:RM? 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 09:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi 98Tigerius, please refer to Talk:LimeLight#Move to Madein ?. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 10:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Jessica Jung

I just wanted to update her photo. Sorry for the inconvenience. By the way, the current photo is from 2023, so it would be great if you could change it to one from 2024. Please check her Instagram. 112.175.151.242 (talk) 08:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@112.175.151.242 No, read COMMONS:NETCOPYVIO. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 08:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Potential sock

I have a suspicion that we might be dealing with a sock puppet. I can’t seem to shake the feeling off. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 08:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy If you have potential evidence, including behaviour similarities, can consider logging to WP:SPI with CheckUser option checked/enabled. Do let me know if you required any further assistance, as of now, without knowing who is sockmaster, I can't really dig any further. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 08:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I’m unsure if this would constitute strong evidence, but I suspect that Cinemaandpolitics and Symphidius might be the same person. It seems unusual that Symphidius immediately joined the NewJeans conservation without making any edits to other articles. Typically, new editors, being beginners, aren't familiar with the intricacies of Wikipedia right away. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 08:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
@Btspurplegalaxy Digging through, I suspected that the latter might be 2601:600:967F:88DC:C86D:F38D:33A9:7AC3 hence why it may looks as if they just suddenly join the NewJeans-related discussion. In terms of behaviour similarities, both are similarly very focused with the lead section hence why it may looks suspicious. Lets observe further for now, based on my experience with SPI's reporting, now isn't the time to report yet if the direction we're looking for is blocking and requesting for CheckUser checking. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 09:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
How long would you suggest we observe them? Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 09:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
@Btspurplegalaxy I think around 2 to 4 weeks, based on their activeness and also their contributions, particularly on WP:TAGTEAM. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 09:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Alright, we’ll keep an eye on them until then. I usually have a good sense about socks. If there are no changes in Symphidius's edits over the next 2 to 4 weeks, it should confirm our suspicions. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 09:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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So it seems they've been expecting us to accuse them of being the same person: [23] Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 08:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy Given the public nature of user talk pages, such are not uncommon. There is nothing really to even hide about otherwise I would have blanked it instead of waiting for the bot to archive. While I understand the concern, I will abstrain from commenting any further to ensure strategic ambiguity and intelligence control. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 10:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Your opinion

Is my edit using your script unnecessary? 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 08:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@98Tigerius Subjective is the only reply that I can give you. Also my advice is to consider WP:DISENGAGE and WP:DROPTHESTICK. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 12:12, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
@Paper9oll Thanks for the advice. I will never engage with that user ever whatever message he'll leave in the future on my talk page. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 13:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
@98Tigerius No problem. Also another advice is that you should still WP:COMMUNICATE if necessary, however do also take note of WP:LISTENTOUS should you wish to not communicate. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 16:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Hello can you help if you have time and read this article Draft:Abdulrahman Abed thank you @Paper9oll بندر بن عبدالرحمن (talk) 07:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi بندر بن عبدالرحمن, this is not my area of expertise and interests. Please wait patiently for the next reviewer to review the draft instead. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 07:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
thanks بندر بن عبدالرحمن (talk) 12:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Paper9oll! I noticed that Draft:Kang Hae-rin has been submitted for review some time ago, so can I trouble you to review it please if you have time? Thank you! Chyx1095 (talk) 14:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Chyx1095, I will take a closer look at the individual sources when I have some free time. In the meantime, you may want to rectify the multiple WP:CITEBOMB violations found in the sections on Early Life and Education, Career, Public Image, and Endorsements. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 17:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Dreamcatcher's two recent EPs

@Paper9oll Could you take a look at titles of VillainS and VirtuouS? Should MOS:TMRULES applies in those pages? 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 20:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@98Tigerius Yes, both should be moved to comply with MOS:AT including but not limited to MOS:TMRULES. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 07:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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Draft I made

Hi there @Paper9oll if you have time, could you take a look at the first K-pop boy group draft I made at Draft:ARrC? 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 11:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@98Tigerius  Done Paper9oll (🔔📝) 02:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Help on Bibi's music video list

Hi @Paper9oll, can you take a look at the latest edits at Bibi (singer)? Is listing of her M/Vs, with YouTube references (mostly for director credits) "a link dump. these are not "references", and they serve only to fluff up the article"? I probably should have put this on the talk page, but this seems like it can be dealt with in a single action since it is the same for all other K-pop artists. Thank you for your help/advice! (And also thank you for reviewing for Haerin as previously requested) Chyx1095 (talk) 16:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Chyx1095 Looks like a content/what about dispute, you may want to resolve this on Talk:Bibi (singer) with the involved parties instead given that you're dealing with an admin here hence I won't recommended that you revert any further if you intended to do so until there is consensus between the involved parties. Looking through the older revision, I could see why it's considered as "a link dump. these are not 'references'", as the content is not supported majoritively, if not none, by secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject hence giving the impression of a "backdoor watch the music video here" in the disguise of references. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 16:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Chyx1095, this is NOT all the same for all other K-pop articles, and even if it were, that doesn't make it acceptable. We all know that K-pop articles tend toward inflation, and that's what that list does. It's Wikia material. Please do not think that Wikipedia is a repository for every link and every item that fans think relevant: it's an encyclopedia, whose content should be based on secondary sourcing. BTW my admin status isn't really relevant here, but I think my experience is. Drmies (talk) 01:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
@Drmies I admit I'm not well-versed in all the WP policies/guidelines and definitely not as experienced, but I do understand the need for secondary sourcing. My point here isn't about the links there, but the list of music videos which are present for most, if not all, K-pop artists and definitely not something I think relevant. I'm just confused as to why only Bibi's suddenly got removed. By extension, if secondary sourcing is required, shouldn't a lot of her Discography which do not have any citations essentially be removed as well? Chyx1095 (talk) 01:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
I don't know about "suddenly", Chyx1095--I don't keep a calendar of when to look at what article. Sure albums really need secondary sourcing as well (like books in articles for academics), but the idea is that albums (and books) are of a magnitude that one can assume that they themselves are worth mentioning, unlike smaller things like a video or an article or a poem. Because when you list everything that someone is associated with or has been released, you're writing resumes and you're simply compiling lists, and Paper9oll's comment (about the backdoor) is really valid here. When I write articles I will not include things like books or albums or whatever that I cannot give proper (secondary) sourcing for, but that's not something that I am going to remove in an article like this. But a list of, essentially, YouTube links, yes I do NOT believe that should stand. And again--in K-pop we see a constant pushing of those boundaries; some K-pop artist articles now list every single song that the artist has a writing credit for (or co-writing--easily done), which offers yet another avenue for adding yet another list of items. We surely don't do that in most articles, and by the same token we don't list all the videos in regular biographies on musical artists. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Drmies, I understand where you're coming from. I said "suddenly" because the whole entire section that was there for months was simply deleted without any discussion or consensus, or without any notice that the references should be replaced with reliable secondary sources. I agree with your point that a list of YouTube links shouldn't stand and with Paper9oll's comment (about the backdoor), but is it really alright to blank the entire section on that basis with just a short summary, when lists of music videos are present for most other K-pop artists and groups? If someone else like a new user or an IP user with little edit count does it, wouldn't it be immediately reverted for vandalism/blanking or whatever the right term is? Chyx1095 (talk) 16:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Hmm maybe, but I believe the argument is valid. I don't know how long that content had stood, and that's not really interesting to me. I came to the article because I saw on Recent changes that someone had removed a bunch of content, so I checked that edit, then looked at the article and got to work. I'm not going to make it my life's mission to remove every link dump on Wikipedia: life is too short for that, and it's not fun. I just made this edit, and the place is full of articles with those silly flags used incorrectly (according to the MOS), but I'm not about to go through all boxing articles. But here is another thing that I think matters. For those flags, they are a distraction to the reader, and that's why the MOS has a section on it. These video links, that long table, they not only inflate the article, but they also distract from the other, relevant material. We're here for the reader--the reader does not really need such a list because we have Google, with a "Videos" tab. What we need is properly verified material that isn't otherwise accessible, as readable, properly verified prose. Does that make sense? I think about our mission, and about the reader. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
"What we need is properly verified material that isn't otherwise accessible, as readable, properly verified prose." Yes thank you, this is very well put and I understand better now. But once again, shouldn't such removal of a big chunk of content (in fact two sections - Artistry and Videography) require consensus? Based on my observations (at least on K-pop articles), such big removals have some sort of discussion or consensus before they're actually removed, regardless whether the editor believes it's valid or not. Chyx1095 (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Regarding Sul Kyung-gu’s page

Hello. My edits to Sul Kyung-gu’s article have been reverted as soon as published despite me only correcting it. I know the reasoning is because it must match the articles name but I do not have permission to change that, and if you do, please do. Sul is his family name, spelled out by him, confirming it’s even on his passport, and his agency, media outlets and streaming services all use Sul. Sol is an outdated version of the name that misleads people. I have also seen Im Siwan’s page not match the title for he’s referred as Yim despite the title being Im, so I didn’t understand the decision of reverting my edits here. Thank you and I hope this can get resolved. Ku9979 (talk) 11:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ku9979 Please read WP:RSPM for instructions on how to start a requested page move discussion. For Im Siwan, I had proceeded to revert such changes also, similarly the same instructions applies if you also wish to move this article. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 11:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Ah, I see, thank you for the clarification, I was not clear with that. Have a nice day. Ku9979 (talk) 18:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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Using script

I tried using your script on several articles but on the changes, but it keeps saying there are no differences. I'm wondering if I might be doing something wrong. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 04:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy This is most likely because the article has been ran through the scripts previously hence unless there are new changes between then and now, for example, infobox's syntax spacing mismatch, new references with incorrect date formatting or spacing between pipes, etc, otherwise the script won't actually make any changes. If the preceding scenario doesn't apply for your case, kindly provide the articles to debug further. Thanks! Paper9oll (🔔📝) 05:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Could you please clarify what you mean by "debug further"? Also, how long do you expect it might take? Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 05:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
@Btspurplegalaxy I meant that you need to provide me the article affected (i.e. where the script isn't working) on so I can go test and investigate further on my end. As I have a day job, it may take around 1-3 days depending on my availability after work. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 08:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
I tried it on this article: Bobby Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 07:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
@Btspurplegalaxy I'm able to get it working. Do you happened to be using 2017 wikitext editor when trying to use the script? User scripts (including mine) that interacts with the wikitext syntax only works with the 2010 wikitext editor. Assuming that you're using the default Vector 2022 skin, the URL in the browser's address should be for example https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bobby_%28rapper%29&veaction=editsource for the 2017 wikitext editor when in edit mode. To switch to the 2010 wikitext editor, you need to change the URL to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bobby_%28rapper%29&veaction=editsource&action=submit by adding &action=submit to the end of the URL. Now that you're in the 2010 wikitext editor, you should be able to see 3 links (Formatter/Tagger, Tagger, and Settings) on the right sidebar to use my script.
If you don't wish to add &action=submit every time that you wish to use any user scripts that interacts with the wikitext syntax, you can create a new browser's bookmark with the below JavaScript that onclick, would reload the article into 2010 wikitext editor's editing mode.
javascript:void function(){javascript:(()=>{if("en.wikipedia.org"==window.location.hostname){const a=new URLSearchParams(window.location.search);a.has("action")%3F"edit"==a.get("action")%26%26a.set("action","submit"):a.set("action","submit"),window.location.search=a.toString()}})()}();
Paper9oll (🔔📝) 13:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

NOMAD article

Hi there, if you have time would you mind to take a look at NOMAD (South Korean group)'s article? It has been seven months since it was created, and yet it's still not marked as reviewed. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 18:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Paper9oll (🔔📝) 12:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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WP:RMRELIST

FYI: nothing in the guidelines at WP:RMRELIST states that an editor needs to be an administrator or page mover be allowed to relist a requested move. I relisted the move at Talk:NCT (group) because the 7 days had elapsed with little to no discussion or engagement on the moves. RachelTensions (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@RachelTensions I also missed out another pointer, you're also the nominator. In fact, something in the guidelines at WP:RMRELIST which you linked stated "The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion", you're considered involved in the discussion as a nominator. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 16:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
@Paper9oll "It's best" is not "must" :) Relisting my own nomination to generate further discussion because it sat for a week without any discussion is not a cardinal sin. RachelTensions (talk) 16:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
@RachelTensions Read WP:RMCLOSE, specifically WP:RMCIDC where "relisting" is part of RMCLOSE which explicitly stated uninvolved editor may close a move request and/or relist the discussion, this is part of the closer's determining whether there is consensus. You being involved as a nominator trying to performed WP:RMCLOSE procedure in the form of determining consensus and coming to an conclusion by relisting isn't correct. Also there's no WP:DEADLINE, if the closer's determines the RM is suitable for closing and/or relisting, they will perform it themselves, you as a nominator doesn't need to do so. In addition, there is a queue for such at WP:RMCD hence there isn't any need to fear "because it sat for a week without any discussion" for your own nomination. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 16:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove redirect

Hello, there is a redirect with the name "The Kind Mr. Seon Ju" linked to the page "List of programs broadcast by MBC TV". There was already a page named "The Kind Miss Seon-joo" (which is the correct title of an upcoming drama on MBC). Please remove the redirect "The Kind Mr. Seon Ju" because it is an incorrect title and isn't linked to any existed pages. Thank you so much! Marchrain13 (talk) 09:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Marchrain13  Done, you can do this method moving forward. Thanks and regards, Paper9oll (🔔📝) 09:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Reliable source discussion

Do you mind providing comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources about reliable sources? I found the current source list lackluster and have suggested more over there, but that talk page is not very active. I do not know many people who can analyze the Korean-language sources. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 11:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Paper9oll (🔔📝) 11:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

NewJeans subsection of Hybe

Could you help clean up and summarize the issue with Hybe? I already pointed out to Cinemaandpolitics that it's a case of WP:TOOMUCH, but it seems they haven't taken any action on it. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 18:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy As NewJeans as one of the articles on my WP:WATCHLIST, I was already awared of that discussion from the get go and has been following its progress. I don't see the need to WP:INVOLVED myself into that discussion at that talk page currently since the responses from various INVOLVED editors in that same discussion there already aligns with my thoughts. While, I do agreed that the disputed section is currently WP:COATRACK. I've been brainstorming for quite a while on how to effectively trim away the COATRACKing and considering the ever expanding COATRACKing, this has made the brainstorming even harder hence why I haven't INVOLVED myself by taking any editing actions to the disputed section yet. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 18:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 20:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)