User talk:Nedim Ardoğa/Archive 8
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2013And to you. Thanks for your very wise comments on the merge discussion and for your interest in this controversial area. Best. --E4024 (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC) Your picsThere is a reference to your beautiful pics in my TP. I especially liked one of a Roman way in Turkey and another of a medieval korugan (cannot recall the English word now) that are outstanding. We have to use them in the related articles of En:WP (if we already have not, of course) and not only in Turkey-related articles... Selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 12:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Turkish languageHi, I've noticed your edits to the article on Turkish language and they seem fine. You should however be aware that the article is currently an FA but it is being considered for FA-review and if the review finds that it no longer meets the criteria it will be demoted. A lot of the content you have added is not sourced. For FA status to be retained it is crucial to increase the amount of sourcing in the article, there should be basically no paragraphs without an inline citation. Also material in tables needs to be sourced. I'd encourage you to keep that in mind as you edit the article, if you believe the article should retain its FA status. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 14:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
See my TP alsoI made a good addition to the Turkic languages article the other day; but my edit was removed by a POV-pushing editor. You could also use that. I know that in WP there are many objective people to help... --E4024 (talk) 21:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC) This is a mess. Can you add a proper infobox and decent sourced content?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:50, 16 January 2013 (UTC) Image DescriptionHey! I'm going through some images that are missing descriptions. I found File:DB table.jpg and I do not even know what the table is for. Could you help me out? Or if there isn't use we can nominate it for deletion. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 00:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Neighbourhoods of IstanbulHi Nedim abi. Please feel free to contribute to the article. Have a nice day.--Rapsar (talk) 09:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC) Turkish womenNedim Abi, I "accept" that lately I have been writing Write instead of Right, Piece instead of Peace, Accept instead of Except etc. I think these and some other similar mistakes can be seen as I am getting old, Wright? I hope it is simply age, nothing else. BTW thanks for the beautiful Turkish women pics. I missed Mine Mutlu but that was my generation's idol... --E4024 (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
File:DB table.jpg listed for deletionA file that you uploaded or altered, File:DB table.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 19:23, 24 January 2013 (UTC) 16 beyliksHi again, Your remark about the beyliks in Talk:Historic states represented in Turkish presidential seal is interesting. It shouldn't be lost in the talk page. If you can source your claim, why don't you add a section (maybe triva) about it ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:56, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Reword ?About this edits: Reword doesn't mean removal of sourced information. Please try again without loss of information. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 09:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Women in Turkish politicsNedim Bey, I asked contribution from "girl power" for the article you have been working on. Here is what I have got: "Hi! It looks like your new article is shaping up great. I'm impressed! If I could offer a couple suggestions, it looks like the background section could do with some expansion and a couple of citations. I also think it would be awesome if you could give some details on the female government ministers beyond their office and years in service, for example, what their projects were in office, what their party affiliation was, what reforms they enacted, etc. I really like the tables, that's great for showing the trend over history. Let me know if you want a copyedit, review, anything. Good luck and great job!" I share this comment with you not only for the useful suggestions but also for the beautiful words therein, that you have deserved more than me. Best. --E4024 (talk) 16:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Mehmet Sadık Pasha, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to a nonexistent page. If you can fix this redirect to point to an existing Wikipedia page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you also fix the redirect. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Camyoung54 talk 03:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC) Turkish women in sportsNedim Bey, bizim böyle bir maddemiz yok mu? WP sayfalarında birçok kadın sporcumuz ve kadın spor takımımız var oysa. Büyük eksiklik... --E4024 (talk) 16:40, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
PicsWomen in Turkish politics sayfasına H. Edip resmi koyup Turkish women sayfasından onu veya Osmanlı gravürünü çıkarıp yerine Muazzez İ. Ç. pic koysak... --E4024 (talk) 16:40, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
split proposal for AqueductI note your contribution to Talk:Aqueduct and I would like to bring to your attention a proposal that the article Aqueduct be split to Aqueduct (watercourse) and Aqueduct (bridge), with the original article directed to the existing page Aqueduct (disambiguation). Please feel welcome to comment on the proposal at Talk:Aqueduct#Split proposal (2) Please note a similar proposal was made a couple of years ago (see about halfway up the talk page).Nankai (talk) 21:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC) AziziyeHello, as a new user I simply was browsing "Random Articles" looking for something to practice my editing skills and your article popped up. --Mary2315 (talk) 21:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC) Admin Help at Kanijeli Siyavuş PashaHello Nedim Ardoğa. On the above page I saw you requested it to be deleted for a move using the adminhelp template. I brought this to the attention of an administrator quicker by contacting them directly who have now deleted the page. In future I recommend you use the {{db-move}} in future. Happy editing! John F. Lewis (talk) 20:05, 16 February 2013 (UTC) CanikCanik adı Türkçe değildir. Çani/Can/Zan/Tzan/Sanni = Laz anlamındadır. Doğu Romalılar, Doğu Karadeniz'e "Tzanike" demiştir. Tıpkı İstanbul, Adana, İzmir, Bursa, Trabzon gibi adların Türkçe olmaması gibi, Canik adı da Türkçe değildir. Ancak Anadolu Beylikleri dönemindeki Canik Beylikleri Türktür. O tarihten itibaren bu bölge Türktür. Canik Beylikleri = Beyliks of Canik maddesini yazmanız iyi olmuş. Ben Laz değil, Türküm. Sanırım bu maddenin varlığına bile karşı çıkmışlar! Talk/Tartışma sayfasında okudum. Wikipedia'da Türklüğe karşı sistematik bir saldırı var! Canik ve Beyliks of Canik maddelerinin Talk/Tartışma sayfalarında ben sadece bölgenin Eskiçağ Tarihinden ve Canik adının kökeninden bahsettim. Laz propagandası yapmadım. Dediğim gibi nasıl İstanbul-Adana-İzmir-Bursa-Trabzon adları Türkçe değilse, Canik adı da Türkçe değildir ama artık buraları çoktan Türkleşmiştir. Bulduğum Canik Beylerinin adlarını da Beyliks of Canik maddesine ekledim... Saygılarımla, Böri (talk) 12:24, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Note: This message in Turkish is about the contributions and tags in the article Beyliks of Canik Map of Beyliks of Canikon Anatolian beyliks article, the map shows the Beyliks of Canik. You can use this map, I mean. Regards, Böri (talk) 08:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Merhaba, bu maddeyi Türkçeye çevrilebilir misiniz? SAS'a çıkartılan şu konu ile bağlantılı olabileceği Takabeg tarafından söylendi. Açıklamanız aydınlatıcı olacaktır. Saygılar --Esc2003 (talk) 17:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Beyliks of CanikThere is still: This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (October 2010) message on that article! May I delete it? Böri (talk) 09:51, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
About The Sun Language TheorySun Language Theory = Nostratic languages / Türkçe devam ediyorum: Güneş Dil Teorisi'ne sürekli saldırılıyor ama artık günümüzde Nostratik Dil Ailesinin varlığı bilimsel olarak kabulediliyor. Altay dilleri, Ural dilleri ve Hint-Avrupa dilleri arasında ortak kökenli sözcükler var... Türk-Sumer dilleri arasında da ortak kökenli sözcükler var. Atatürk bunun araştırılmasını istiyordu. Başkalarının yaptığı uydurmacılık için Atatürk eleştirilemez! Bu konuda Borean languages ve Eurasiatic languages maddelerine de bakılabilir... Böri (talk) 15:13, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Note:Above message is about the article Nostratic languages. The correspondent remarks about certain sections of the article. Theodore MakridiIn the article Theodore Makridi, he was identified as Greek-Ottoman-Turkish. I think Ottoman is OK, but Greek-Turkish adjectives are redundant (unless a section on his origin is included.) Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Turkish alphabetTurkish alphabet maddesi geçmişte saçma sapandı! Türkçe sesler için abuk sabuk örnekler vermişlerdi. Sonradan değiştirmişler ama Talk sayfasında 2 yıl önce yaptığım itiraz duruyor: Sounds: examples must be short and clear! it says: "ç = As ch in chimpanzee" /why chimpanzee? chalk will be better! bobblehead, dillydally, gargoyle, shenanigans, vivacious, internationality for "L" sound! Are you joking? Please find better examples! Who wrote them? Why shenanigans? You can easily say: "ş = As sh in she" Please change them! Böri (talk) 14:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)/ demişim... Wikipedia'da Türk diline ve tarihine yönelik çok sayıda saldırı vardı. Bunu örnek olarak gösteriyorum... Yüzlerce vardı. Kasıt ve kötü niyet vardı! Saygılar, Böri (talk) 10:36, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Note: Above message is a request about checking examples in the article Turkish alphabet. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:36, 6 March 2013 (UTC) Janet Akyüz MatteiHi Nedim! I have renamed cat:"Turkish women academicians" to "Turkish women academics" as common in WP. However, I saw at "Janet Akyüz Mattei" article no ref that she was an academic. So, I removed that cat. However, you have reinstated the previous cat of "Turkish women academicians". In order to be sure I wanna know what you understand under "academican". Thanks for your time. CeeGee 08:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Amazon Amma uzunGüneş-dil teorisi maddesinde tr:Güneş-dil teorisi#Kelimelerin doğuşuyla ilgili varsayımlar paragrafı bu teoriyle alay etmek isteyenlerin verdiği örneklerle dolu. Gözden geçirmek istemez misiniz ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:49, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Note:Above message is about an article in tr:WP.
Hi Nedim Ardoğa. The table which you two times tried to add, has many mistakes. Just compare informations of the table with the articles (Aynalıkavak Palace etc.). Also most of the palaces isn't palace but pavilion.( See National Palaces)--Qara Khan 16:11, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Drogheda UnitedSürekli rahatsız etmiyorsam, şu konuya da değinmek istiyorum; Vikipedi'den: İrlanda Premier Ligi'nde mücadele eden Drogheda United takımının ambleminde ay ve yıldız bulunmaktadır. Bir süre önce Türkiye'ye resmi ziyaret gerçekleştiren İrlanda Cumhurbaşkanı Mary McAleese, 1847 yılında bir milyon İrlandalı'nın hayatını kaybettiği Büyük Açlık Dönemi'nde Osmanlı Devleti'nin içi gıda dolu 3 gemisini Drogheda limanına gönderdiğini hatırlatarak, İrlanda halkı bu eşine az rastlanır bonkörlük girişimini asla unutmadı ve bunun sonucunda sizin bayrağınızdaki semboller, bu güzel yıldız ve hilali bölgenin sembolü haline getirdiler. Hatta futbol takımının formalarının üzerinde de bu güzel Türk sembollerini görüyoruz demişti. Ancak kulüp tarihçileri bu konuyu kesinlikle red etmişler ve hatta McAleese'nin sempatik görünmek için uydurduğunu iddia etmişlerdir. / Benim yorumum: Koskoca İrlanda Cumhurbaşkanı kabulediyor. Vikipedi'dekiler yalan uydurdu diyor!!! İrlanda Cumhurbaşkanı doğrusunu bilmiyor da, bunlar mı biliyor? Bu küçük bir örnek... Bütün Wikipedia-Vikipedi maddeleri böyle! / from Drogheda article: A local myth has it that the star and crescent were included in the town arms after the Ottoman Empire (predecessor to the Republic of Turkey) sent ships laden with food to Drogheda during the Irish famine. However, there are no records of this with the Drogheda Port, and the star and crescent predate the famine. However, a recent letter was found which was written by the Irish merchandises explicitly thanked the Ottoman Sultan for their help. The letter was found at the Turkish archive. The researcher states that Ireland has not such a letter due to the fire that occurred in the 20th century and destroyed all the documents in the library. / Gerçi Ay-Yıldız; Drogheda ambleminde Osmanlı yardımından da once vardı diyor ama İngiliz ve İrlandalılar da gerçekleri gizlemiş olabilir... Sonuçta İrlanda Cumhurbaşkanı kabuletti! Saygılar, Böri (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Po Beg#TrivaHi Nedim! I had removed the subsection header "Triva" (it should be "Trivia" anyway), because of WP:TRIVIA. For your information only. CeeGee 17:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
HisarHi Nedim Ardoğa, It is always a pleasure to see you here. Regarding hisar, all Serbian language sources which deal with this name translate it either as town (vast majority) or hill. I guess that in the 15th century all towns had to be forts if they meant to survive. Do your sources tell different story?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC) TalkbackHello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at AxG's talk page.
Message added 18:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 18:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC) Tardu commentNedim, thank you for the Tardu correction. Tardu was a title, from the Tardu Kanat = Western (Right) Wing, there were numerous Tardus in the various Kaganates during the years, not all of their proper names are known, but in this case we know both name and position. It makes sense to run the article under his name, not the title, consistent with all other personal articles, and have Tardu (or Tardush) as a disambiguation page or a separate article page listing people who headed the Western Wing in different states. I would gladly contribute to such arrangement. Your thoughts? BTW, Turkic pages have greatly improved from 5-7 years ago, when they were unloved siblings of loved subjects, and your efforts and stamina in that are greatly appreciated. Barefact (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Requested moveHi Nedim, as I said in the close here, Darkwind closed that the template be moved to that title. Does it not make sense to move the article too? I can certainly undo the close and move the article back, but only if you think the outcome might (realistically) be different. You can respond here, by the way, if you prefer. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Executed Ottoman people vs. Executed Turkish peopleMay I ask why you were removing Category:Executed Turkish people from Ottoman people who were Turkish? Category:Executed Ottoman people is not currently a subcategory of Category:Executed Turkish people, so it would make sense for a Ottoman person who was Turkish to be in both categories. --Nlu (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Yakup IIHello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Gomada's talk page.
Message added 07:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Ottoman periodsI saw the improvements and changes you did with the Ottoman Empire period dates. I would just like to draw your attention to two articles that you probably missed: History of the Ottoman Empire and Ottoman Empire (history section). Those articles still have the old dates. Could you fix those too? Thanks King Philip V of Spain (talk) 16:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Historian or notHi Nedim. Why don't you just open Mr Latsistalis' Facebook page to see where he was educated –if at all!– and the quality of its written Greek, if you might have it chequed? In any case, Nikos Latsistalis, even if his intentions are not bad, is not a historian. He misleads the visitors of Drama because he is not able to discern between an aquaduct and a real bridge and cannot understand that "Drama Köprüsü" is a bridge that could exist only in Drama itself and not 16 kilometres away from it, in the village of Nustretli (Gk. Nikeforos), birthplace of Emineh Hanem Ali Shehirli (1770-1824). My interference in the Wikipedia discussion on "Drama Köprüsü" was only aiming to inform people inerested in the bridge of Drama that Mr Ltsistalis, a very successful Drama "kebabci" indeed, is neiter a historian by any means, not a trustworthy tour guide. A word to the wise is enough! I shall not trouble anybody again with my "vandalisms". Cordially, Nonnamer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonnamer (talk • contribs) 10:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry Nedim. I am not angry. I am just trying to inform public. And you are absolutely right. All this has nothing to do with Mr Latsistalis' profession. It has only to do with his incompetence. Nonnamer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonnamer (talk • contribs) 12:55, 6 June 2013 (UTC) BarnstarHi Nedim Ardoğa! Thanks a lot for sending me the barnstar. Cheers. CeeGee 18:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC) MerhabaMerhaba; Türkçe vikipedi'de beni ısırdılar. Zaman buldukça burada takılıyorum. Saygılar. Aditdigo (talk) 10:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
Akdeniz OyunlarıSelamlar. Mersin'de yaşıyorsunuz sanırım. Akdeniz Oyunları ile ilgili resimler çekebilmeniz mümkün müdür?--Rapsar (talk) 08:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Note. The above message is about photos of 2013 Mediterranean Games. Koridor Coal MineHi there Nedim Ardoğa and thank you for your interest into my article. If you look into the ref that i provided on page 14 there is a map with the Afsin-Elbistan coal district and there you will find the 6 coal field mines that i added including the Koridor one. Thanks again and good editing.BineMai 10:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC) I would like your opinion for the result of this war. On the talk page you will find my source, "A Global Chronology of Conflict: From the Ancient World to the Modern Middle East", Vol.III, ed. Spencer C. Tucker, (ABC-CLIO, 2010), 1140., which states the Treaty of Erzurum and "status quo antebellum" as the result of this war and User:Someguy1122's opinion that the war was a "Tactical Persian victory". Thank you.--Kansas Bear (talk) 21:46, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Want to work together on Turks in the Tang military?I remember your contributions to Tang campaigns against the Western Turks. Would you be interested in working together on Turks in the Tang military? I want to nominate the article for DYK, and would appreciate your expertise on Turkic history. Turkic culture substantially influenced Chinese culture, and many of the emperors of the Tang dynasty were Turkophiles, something that isn't popularly known. For a while, a drink made of yogurt imported by the Turks even replaced tea as the most popular drink in northern China. Best regards,--Typing General (talk) 03:20, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Please support this edit.Please support at least the substance of this edit: [[2]] if it is rejected. Chrisrus (talk) 03:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC) Category:Mediterranean Games host citiesCategory:Mediterranean Games host cities, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 04:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC) SuggestionHi, I am not good at your beautiful language Turkish so I am asking you if you could do a short translation and make an article about Meral Tasbas on Turkish Wikipedia. She is a Swedish-Turkish television personality. If you got the time at some point. Or if you happen to know any media adventures she has done in Turkey please add it to the English Wikipedia article too. Thank you.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:29, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
List of massacres in TurkeyHello, I am writing this to you in order to inform you that some Turkish-related articles have for quite some time been hijacked by a group of editors whose only goal, it seems, is to negatively portray the Republic of Turkey, its predesseccors and its people as warmongerming murderers. This has especially become a problem in the article of List of massacres in Turkey where they only allow information about Turks killing others, and delete all reliabely sourced information about massacres against Turks/Muslims. By doing WP:OR, discrediting sources and authors, source falsification, distortion and tag bombing. Sources which state the number of Muslims casualties during the Greco-Turkish war is persistently being deleted. Your help is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.77.28 (talk) 20:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC) Category:BozcaadaCategory:Bozcaada, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 04:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC) re: your requestThe verb "leave" would be fine to use. The verb "renounce" indicates they dislike being associated with the former group's ideas. You could also say they "split off" from the former group to start their own party. Hope this helps. -LilHelpa (talk) 13:45, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Taurus MountainsHey Nedim, I noticed that you always write "Toros Mountains" when talking about the Taurus Mountains, which is the Turkish name for them. Could you refer to them with their English name in future articles? Thanks! Cheers. Ithinkicahn (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
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RenamePlease see my proposal to speedily rename Category:10th century Turkic people to Category:10th-century Turkic people Hugo999 (talk) 22:36, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Reşit GalipSayın Yzkoc, Türkçe WP de tr:Reşit Galip maddesini geliştirmişsiniz , ellerinize sağlık. Ancak 15 Temmuz 2013 tarihinde yaptığınız değişiklikte soyadlı ismini Mustafa Reşit Baydur olarak vermişsiniz. Oysa soyadı yasası Reşit Galip'in ölümünden sonradır. (Ölüm 5 Mart, yasa 2 Temmuz) Ben bu maddeyi İngilizce WP de yazdığım için karşılaştırırken dikkatimi çekti. İyi çalışmalar. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:51, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Turk/Osmanli muzigi verilerinin girilmesiNedim Bey ilginiz icin cok tesekkur ederim. Elimde yuzlerce bestekar icin kisa notlar ve bilgiler var. Bunlarin internet uzerinden ulasilir olmasi bence onemli ancak wikipedia girislerini yaptigimda siliniyorlar. Benim bu kisa bilgileri genisletmek ve wikipedia'nin inceliklerini ogrenmek icin ayirabilecegim zamanim yok. Girisleri yapmaktan vazgecmeyi dusunuyorum. Ne dersiniz? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BarisBozkurtBahcesehir (talk • contribs) 09:11, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Turkey province-level stubs may be deleted, need your input on the discussionHey Nedim, someone proposed that the top-level (province-level) geography stub categories for Turkey (for example, Category:Edirne Province geography stubs) should be deleted because they are not very populated at the moment. They made this proposal at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 October 25#Undersized Turkey geography stub categories and marked them for deletion. I'd like you to add your input on the matter; I for one voted to keep them, since they are province-level (and thus pretty important) stub categories. Ithinkicahn (talk) 12:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC) Template:Scientists whose names are used as non SI units has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. — This, that and the other (talk) 10:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC) BegendikNemdim. Hello. I was just looking your recently created Begendik page. I see another editor added Άγιος Στέφανος Agios Stefanos. Interestingly that one that is formerly Ayostefanos is my (Greek origin) grandmother's home town. What is going on is there are several Begendiks, and actually even two in Turkish Thrace. Begenidik that was formerly Άγιος Στέφανος Agios Stefanos, is right on the Black Sea coast, the first town below the Turkish Bulgarian border at the Multudere/Resvedere/Resevo River. is It was part of a collection Ottoman Greek towns in the Kaza of Agagathopolis (Turkish Atenbulu, now Bulgarian Ahtopol) that were there since ancient times and got transferred to Bulgaria after the Balkan Wars. The Bulgarian Turkish border in the 1800's before the Balkan wars was north quite a bit on the coast at "Kiten." It was moved down to the Mutludere at the treaty of Neuilly in 1919. This transferred all of the Agathopolis Ottoman "Kaza" (subprovince eg Kırklareli) to Bulgaria except for Ayosefanos. There were about 30,000 Greeks in that set of towns, there since classical times, and they were thrown out by Bulgarian forces in the Balkan wars. They were formally denaturalized in the Neuilly Treaty, in 1919, in a model that would then be pushed by the great powers in the 1923 exchange between Greece and Turkey. Those lucky few like my grandmother, who were Agostefanos natives were allowed to return by the Ottomans, since they were still Ottoman subjects on the one part of that collection of towns that remained in Turkey. That fortune turned to misfortune as they were ejected again in the 1923 exchange. None of this is to put any blame on anything that occurred in these terrible wars on any one group, but just to lay out the history of the other Begendik. I do so because, although I have some knowledge of Wikipedia, I don't know how to create a "disambiguation page" necessary to create a second Begendik entry for the former Ayostefano, and hope you will. ThanksConstan50 (talk) 03:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Olympos Aerial TramHi Nedim! Thanks a lot for the very nice pic. Cheers. --CeeGee 09:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC) The article Philatelic exhibition in Mersin has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons. You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing Merge discussion for Osmanoğlu familyWho was "Kurgan" ? on the Talk:Timur pageYou are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Timur#Who was .22Kurgan.22 .3F. Peaceray (talk) 05:37, 6 December 2013 (UTC) ExonymsHi - just wondering if you had any follow-up comments at Talk:English_exonyms#Dotted İ. Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC) Merhaba. Burada ve burada değişikliğimi neden geri aldığınızı lütfen açıklarmısınız? Saygılarımla, --►Cekli829 14:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Mersin Interfaith CemeteryHello! Your submission of Mersin Interfaith Cemetery at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Happy New Year Nedim Ardoğa!
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