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== Remember the 13th ==--John Nagle (talk) 06:29, 19 February 2014 (UTC) Hey, the current people editing the article might be socks of the original people that created the first version of the article last year. It might be worthwhile to open up an SPI, but I'll leave it up to you. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

• I ended up erring on the side of caution and opened one myself. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:54, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

• I sent the article to AfD earlier today, but you know that.John Nagle (talk) 06:29, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

CBR at RegisterFly

You need to google the titles of all the CBR articles preferably inside the CBR site; they have moved the content around, e.g. the first article cited is now at www.cbronline.com/news/icann_ponders_registrar_crackdown. Then you need to file a quest with the list of new/working URLs at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Otherwise sooner or later a busy body will come and remove all those references entirely. Hope this helps. Someone not using his real name (talk) 19:51, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Yank Barry. Thank you. -- Atama頭 16:12, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you revert my legitimate edits? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mt._Gox&diff=605170736&oldid=605161573 Talk:Mt._Gox#legitimate_edits_reverted --24.97.201.230 (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Banc de Binary

Hello, thanks for suggesting rollback on the Banc de Binary page, it's been whitewashed by CorporateM, a paid for editor. Is there anything that can be done about these kinds of users and their huge text editing?HistorianofRecenttimes (talk) 11:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Talk:Banc De Binary. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Evidence. Okteriel (talk) 08:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

That Banc de Binary violated US law is clearly established. SEC litigation release: [1]. CFTC litigation release: [2]. Wall Street Journal article.[3]. Banc de Binary admitting their press release claiming CFTC clearance was "inaccurate": [4]. Banc de Binary agreed to stay out of the US, and the SEC and CFTC didn't take the matter further. John Nagle (talk) 18:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Okteriel was just blocked as a sockpuppet, so I wouldn't worry about his nonsense. I reverted his edit of your talk page comment as soon as I saw it. Coretheapple (talk) 20:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I know that things have been getting a bit heated with the Banc de Binary situation. I just wanted to reach out to you about this comment. While such comments may seem to be directed at an organization, we have to remember that sometimes individuals of these organizations could take it as a bit of a personal attack towards themselves. I think it might be best to focus on the content and not make comments towards the contributors. Hopefully we can all be mindful of what we say so that we can have a nice, civil discussion. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to working with you and everyone else in improving the article. Mike V • Talk 05:21, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

That particular issue has already been hashed out on WP:ANI. The consensus was that it's not an unreasonable statement given their record with regulatory agencies. John Nagle (talk) 06:01, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think I could agree that there was a consensus formed on ANI that such comments were appropriate. Regardless, a discussion at ANI does not supersede one of the core principles of this project. All I'm asking is that we all refrain from any name calling and focus on building an article. Mike V • Talk 17:51, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Read this new CFTC litigation release.[5] Any questions left about this not being an illegal operation? John Nagle (talk) 18:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I did see it and for the time being the most important point to note is that the article states "alleged violations". Until it has been proven in a court of law, the actions of the company shouldn't be deemed "illegal". Over time, the court matters will be finalized and more conclusive statements can be made. Remember, Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, not a news source or the "court of public opinion". There's no deadline and there is no need to rush to any conclusions before due process has been done. Mike V • Talk 19:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

True. We can also cite BdB's reply in court, if you can find it. The current issue in that case is that the court has ordered Oren Laurent to come to Washington DC for a deposition. His lawyers are fighting that. But he's a US citizen, and, as the court points, out, if you're a US citizen, you have to come when the courts call. That will be interesting. John Nagle (talk) 20:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Regards, Nagle, and Mike V. Based on your discussion above, I wonder if you could discuss the validity of Nagle's statement in a new Incidents thread, "The CFTC told them in 2013 they were operating illegally in the US", as it appears to be relevant.

I must confess that I do not want to believe that some concern has set itself up to perpetuate in Wikipedia talkpages the rumor that BDB has committed criminal acts, recognizing not only Wikipedia's influence in public opinion, but also the influence of Wikipedia talkpage rumors upon Wikipedians who then shape public opinion. But the more evidence I am shown that there exists a coordinated effort to spread false rumors of our lawlessness on Wikipedia talkpages, the more I tend to view the hypothesis credible. BDBIsrael (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

We're well beyond rumor. BdB is in Federal court. Anyway, this belongs at Talk:Banc de Binary. John Nagle (talk) 22:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

User:TParis has convinced me that Nagle's statement is borderline rather than clearly a violation. However, the issue of coordinated effort to spread rumors is not a matter for the article talkpage. Suffice. BDBIsrael (talk) 22:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Nikita Kahn

Hello, can you have someone delete the page please, immediately. I will redo the page once I have fixed her IMDB credits and have more sources to cite. Infideastudios (talk) 22:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Yank Barry for deletion

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Left that link in, because the human name, "Daniel Epstein", without a middle initial, is the same for both the article and the disambiguation page. John Nagle (talk) 17:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thank you for this post, which allowed me to write a Signpost article on it! :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:26, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

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Heritage Action

Hi again John. If you have not seen, I updated my Heritage Action draft to incorporate one of the sources you provided. I would still like to take a little time reviewing the other three, so if there is specific information from those sources you would like included in my draft please let me know.

I also want to respond more specifically to your comment from both Talk:Heritage Action and COIN that updating a full article in this fashion is frowned upon by Wikipedia. I understand that it is a large undertaking, but in an interview for the Signpost Jimbo Wales says the following about COI editors:

You are free to enter into a dialogue with the community on talk pages, and to suggest edits or even complete new articles or versions of articles by posting them in your user space.

Again, I do understand that I'm asking a lot from volunteer editors, and if you feel that you simply don't have time, that's totally fine—I'll continue to reach out to others and see if they might have some time to help. Thanks, Morzabeth (talk) 21:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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my COIN posting

if you have a moment, i'd appreciate your thoughts on Pmy COIN posting. if you think i am out to lunch, i would get that. I posted asking for feedback and am just pinging you as you seem to participate in that page. thanks Jytdog (talk) 21:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Carmine Miranda

Hie, While i appreciate the edits you made on this article Carmine Miranda, there was no call to state that the Distinguished Award is the lowest awards as if makes it any less notable than the Grand Prize. While it is indeed not the Grand Prize, your statement becomes an expression of opinion as opposed to just stating the fact that he received this awards. Could you please revise your edit so it doesn't detract from the fact that Carmine was awarded a Distinguished Musician Award at one of the most competitive classical music competitions in the world. Thank you Lilianarice (talk) 21:20, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

The organization does not call the Distinguished Musician category an "award". Nor was there a "special mention". So it's a "category of recognition", rather than an "award". The IBLA Grand Prize is a big deal; the winner gets to play at Carnegie Hall. This is three levels down from that. John Nagle (talk) 21:38, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Jack Herer

I just came across the article on Jack Herer and found that it contained a lot of un- and badly sourced advocacy, some of it added very recently. I weeded out most of it, then found your name on the talk page. If and when you find the time, it would be great to have a second pair of eyes on it, just to make sure I didn't overdo it. --78.35.252.107 (talk) 23:31, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. There's some standard misinformation that floats around amongst hemp-related sites, and it creeps into Wikipedia now and then. I'll look. John Nagle (talk) 00:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

NQ Mobile Inc

You took out all the products and this is the second time someone removed a bunch of stuff. When I started there was a product list and I just tried to add some of the new products. In addition I did a lot of reading before putting up just a few products as highlights but from what I read you've missed the mark entirely.

NQ Mobile is a holding company and has nearly a dozen subsidiaries all revolving around mobile. The tiny little bit you've written while removing the info on some of their actual products is discouraging to say the least.

Additionally, I don't understand why the need to try to clarify that they are not a cell phone carrier as there are many different types of mobile devices and anyone who confuse internet services with carriers probably needs to read more than the first line of the webpage.

Rgeurts (talk) 22:56, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion. The article looked too much like advertising and was referred to WP:COIN for that reason. John Nagle (talk) 23:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Link building

Hnancy (talk) 05:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)Hello I am Hnancy and I am currently editing the link building page. Someone mentioned that I made an ad for a SEO book which is totally unacceptable to me. I am currently an informatics student at UW and it is really my project to improve the contents of a wikipedia page. I never heard of the Moz company before that the only reason I used their resource is that I thought it was a published article that has good value. I used searchenginejournal because it has the similar resource I needed. (I didn't realize it has backlins to Moz?) By now I couldn't turn in my homework in time as I didn't improve the contents a lot. I am new to wikipedia editing team and I accept recommendations from other editors with respect. I am now editing the conflicts section and I want to add a new section called "link building tactics" to briefly mention some common strategies of link building.

Answering on your talk page. John Nagle (talk) 05:49, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Jerry Yang

Hello! I've created a new draft of the article for Jerry Yang, per an earlier discussion on the article's Talk page. I know you had some trepidation about a COI editor writing a new draft, so I wanted to be sure you have a chance to take a look and share feedback if you like. Thanks, and happy new year! Mary Gaulke (talk) 16:45, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Answering at [6] on WP:COIN to get a consensus on this. John Nagle (talk) 19:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Dany Bahar

Hi John – I've posted on the Dany Bahar talk page. If you could take a look at some point that would be much appreciated. Many thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 14:21, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Referred to Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#.22New_draft.22_problem_at_Dany_Bahar to get more eyes on this. John Nagle (talk) 02:57, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks John. HOgilvy (talk) 09:33, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I posted at COIN a couple of days ago. I see DocumentError has been blocked. Happy to work with you, or whoever might be willing, to arrive at a consensus version. Thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 15:22, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

"Nagle's Algorith", can it handle length>65535?

Can Nagle's Algorithm handle packets of total length >65535? (cause it would be easy to support in theory, eg, if a packet is exactly 65535 then FFFF ~data~ 0000 , or if a packet is >65535 then (for 65536): FFFF ~data1~ 01 00 ~data2~~ , which could continue forever until a non-FFFF is reached or until 0000 is reached, but im just theorizing, i don't know how it _ACTUALLY_ works :o ) Divinity76 (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

The maximum possible length for an IP datagram is 65535 bytes, because the size field in the IP header, for both IPv4 and IPv6, is only 16 bits. John Nagle (talk) 06:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

oh ok, i didn't know, thank you! Divinity76 (talk) 03:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Charlie Hebdo

Sir thank you for your response. However my contention is that the Porte de Vincennes killings are not visible. It is incorrect to write that Ile de France is the parent: it is clearly the child to Charlie Hebdo Shooting. A proper course of action would mention the anti Semitic killings in 1 line in the introduction and then indicate that Porte de Vincennes is covered in Ile de France sub section. At present there is no connection between the two and, rather shamefully, these killings are not referenced. This has nothing to do with what the other editor termed "political ideology". Facts are facts and here the causation is obscured. Thank you. Feel free to email you will find my details on the bottom of the formerly linked article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Blitz (talk • contribs)

Try commenting on Talk:2015 Île-de-France attacks. There's some disagreement there about the relationship between the articles, and which incidents are connected. Articles about current events are written as the events happen, and sometimes a look back can improve the structure. Look for reliable sources (see WP:RS), not your own blog. John Nagle (talk) 00:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Landmark now at AE

Recently you referred a dispute involving Landmark Worldwide to ANI. I have no idea if you might be involved, but I'm assuming you know something, at least. Since we now have a related complaint at WP:AE#Astynax, perhaps you can comment. Or give links to prior discussions if you know of any. So far I can recognize some people who appear to be defending Landmark (or at least, are protective of their reputation) and others who are more keen on including criticism. It would help to find regular WP editors who just came across the issue. There was an arb case but it seems to be light on specific findings. Thanks for any help, EdJohnston (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

The problem showed up on WP:COIN, and it looked too messy to handle there, and had a history. So I dumped it on WP:AN/I John Nagle (talk) 06:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Nagle - please stop harassing a woman interested in subjects relating to women in technology.

Nagle, I am user kekatie with the IP address listed in my signature below. You have harassed me for adding factual, well referenced content about women in technology in the past and now and I am asking you to cease and desist. I am a female entrepreneur who is interested in happenings around women in technology, thus I add factual well referenced content that has solid sources on the subject. Again, please stop singling me out and harassing me. 184.77.53.102 (talk) 00:29, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Not clear what the problem is. Please be more specific. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 08:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

The Hammet Cult

Nagle- you may be right. That page regarding the Hammet cult (weregretnothing.com) looked legitimate to me. If it's a hoax, then get rid of the whole article. I thought it was a true story/item. I don't want to be party to something fictitious. Thanks... Veryproicelandic (talk) 20:31, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

It's been sent to AfD, and two more editors have checked it out and concluded it's a hoax. The phrase "mockumentary" has been used. It's on track for deletion. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 22:21, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of TUD:OS for deletion

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Banc de binary and Terms of Use

Hi John. I was intrigued by this comment, where you attributed the change in the ToU to the Banc de Binary affair. I have been living in a story (apparently wrong?) that the change came after the community tried and failed 3 and a half times to ban paid editing following the WIki-PR affair. The last half-hearted attempt was closed in December 2013 (see Wikipedia_talk:Conflict_of_interest_limit) but by early November it was clear that they were all failing. WMF sent the (weakly based) cease and desist letter in mid-November 2013... by the next summer the change in the ToU came out and I always assumed it was to give the Cease and Desist Letter a stronger basis. I had no clue how the BdB affair played in. Can you tell me the story as you see it, with BdB in it? Or is that story already toward somewhere you could point me to? The things I am ignorant of never cease to amaze me. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

See this Wall Street Journal article.[7]. When Banc de Binary offered $10,000 on eLance to anyone who could make their problems on Wikipedia go away, that pushed the COI issue over the top. BdB was and is in big trouble with the US SEC and CFTC and a Federal court, and BdB was desperately trying to keep that info out of Wikipedia. See also the AN/I discussions.[8][9]. John Nagle (talk) 20:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

hm! Thanks! I think the extensive discussion they reference was our (failed) efforts to ban paid editing that stemmed from WIki-PR, no? I totally hear you on the BdB element tho - $10K wow! that is over the top. Jytdog (talk) 00:33, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

BankBazaar

Howdy, John. I removed your material here. It seems that the article is commenting that Amazon is "in talks" and that the reporter couldn't even confirm that. Most likely, they're confused with Series C funding lead by Amazon India. Happy to self-revert if there's a better source. Still not sure about the notability there; last time I reviewed it (they spam/SEO often and frequently), I didn't feel the need to AFD. Will read up later and weigh in. Kuru (talk) 23:19, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

You're probably right. Let's wait out the AfD, and if it stays around, try to figure out what the press coverage says. John Nagle (talk) 05:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll need to spend more time on it. This firm devotes quite a bit of energy and resources to SEO/PR, which I suppose is natural for a developing entity going through the funding cruicible. My initial impression is that much of the coverage is adapted from press releases and gobbled up by the very lightweight "reporters" that cover this segment, but there's likely a notable firm here if we could just find something more than just the normal funding hype. I'll admit that their frequent spamming has made me very hesitant to devote time to this. Kuru (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Right. There's a pattern of COI editing, but the business seems marginally notable. Marginally. Notability under WP:CORP is a "maybe" here. They're a funded, operating startup on the way up. One could argue "come back when you grow up", per WP:CRYSTAL. Or keep the article and trim the hype. Let's see how the AfD goes. John Nagle (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Startup studio

An article that you have been involved in editing—Startup studio —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Dodi 8238 (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Cornerstone copyedit

You might want to look back a few edits to save yourself some time. I did a heavy ce based on source review, and it was reverted wholesale including the grammar fixes. Sourcing aside, most of it should be transferable for grammar fixes. MSJapan (talk) 19:26, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. For now, I'd suggest waiting out the AfD and watching for new promotional edits. It's not an urgent problem. John Nagle (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Invitation

Just a reminder that if you have any questions about my Wikipedia work, you may contact me for a chit-chat just about any time on my Talk page. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Shane McAnally

As I reported on WP:COIN, could you please watch any edits on Shane McAnally? I suspect that 173.164.27.57 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is Ellesmacksongs (talk · contribs), the user who admitted to COI, logged out, as their edits are the same (erasing any mention of Shane's debut album while restoring content that doesn't need to be restored). Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)