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Dielo Truda

Regarding the Dielo Truda group (sometimes written Dyelo Truda or Dyelo Trouda), it's not surprising that you've never heard of this group before in Chicago as they were active between the years of, roughly, 1926-1928 (in Paris) and from 1928 to some time in the 1950s in Chicago and New York, and were a Russian-language anarchist organization. There's precious little information about them, and it's really unfortunate that there hasn't been more research into this group as I'm sure it would reveal a wealth of information with regards to the development of the Platformist current in anarcho-communism; this is something I would be interested in doing if I could read Russian.

In any case, here's the reference - from Alexandre Skirda's book "Facing the Enemy: A History of Anarchist Organization from Proudhon to May 1968" (AK Press 2002) - "Under the concerted blows of the Stalinist and French republican repression, Dyelo Truda's work of clarification and liaison was finished in Europe. After a few months delay, the review re-emerged, this time in Chicago in the USA. Arshinov contined to contribute to its columns, albeit fitfully." (pg. 140) At some point (I'm not exactly sure when) Dielo Truda merged with a Russian anarcho-syndicalist journal, becoming Dielo Trouda-Probuzhdenie, edited by Gregori Maximoff in Chicago and later, New York (see Rocker's biography of Maximoff, third paragraph http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/ANARCHIST_ARCHIVES/bright/rocker/rockerbiomaximoff.html) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RebelWorker (talk • contribs) 16:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Dielo Truda continued....

Hey, no worries. My current research happens to overlap with this kind of stuff in a really big way, so I've had time to look into it in a big way...I just wish I could contribute more to Wikipedia. Anyways, I added some of this stuff to the article (with references and more details). —Preceding unsigned comment added by RebelWorker (talk • contribs) 16:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Klipsan Beach Life Saving Station

Thanks for the infobox on this article, it makes the article look really sharp. My source says the architect is one Bibb, you have a different set in the info box. Should this be resolved? Mtsmallwood (talk) 06:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello, and thank you for the kind words about the WUO. You were looking for information on John Jacobs I believe? Well he does have an FBI file that can be accessed through the Weatherman (orgnization) wikipedia page. You go to the last entry they have, 2c I think it is, and on the last few pages there is information as to which pages he is referenced throughout the rest of the document. He was a member of the SDS at Columbia and that might be another thing to look into to find information. Well good luck, and I am also from Washington and appreciate your contributions about beautiful Bellingham! Lalalajane (talk) 01:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment: I am sorry I am new. What I thought I did was revert the page back to the original author’s statements. Which in the context of the article about Jane Alpert, the edited statements were focusing on Sam Melville and not the subject of the biography. Just because it the material was cited does not mean that it was pertinent to Jane Alpert. If I accidentally changed something besides that without knowing I apologize and it was not intentional.Lalalajane (talk) 05:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the information. You have been a big help. I thought I had justified my revision, because other people had changed it without saying anything at all. I figured at least I commented on the discussion board about why I changed it. But it makes total sense to make big changes only after discussion, it would get really annoying to have things changed all the time for no reason. Maybe the rules are different for people? I have seen some websites, like abortion, change completely in 30 minutes or so. I am just not sure how it is all supposed to be but it is nice to have someone to help out without being cruel about it. I will be sure to discuss before I make huge changes on other peoples pages from now on. The question is, how long do you have your discussion up before you change the page? Especially if no one responds? Thanks again. Lalalajane (talk) 06:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Terry Robbins

Comment: I appreciate your help. I don't mind the changes, the only thing was the Robbins and Meisel citation was not coming out. It was reading Cite error 8, no text. I tried to fix it to be like the others but it was not accepting it. I thought it was important to have the citation info on there for now until I could figure out how to get it to look like the rest. Maybe you have any suggestions on how to get it to look like the others? The < ref name="Kent"/> was not coming out, I tried several different combos, do you know which combo might clear the error? Thanks for your help!Tjcjaj (talk) 17:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Quick question: Do you know if there is a way to consolidate the references and keep the page numbers along each citation? If possible I would like to keep them...do you think this is a big deal or leaving them out is fine? Let me know what you think?Tjcjaj (talk) 05:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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Laura Whitehorn

I cleaned up a bit. Bearian (talk) 14:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I did 1 more proof-read and fixed a template. Look good. Bearian (talk) 21:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

John Brown Anti-Klan Committee

I recently added an article about the John Brown Anti-Klan Committee. This seems to be a topic with which you might have some familiarity. The article is a little short, so if you have anything to add, please help out. I've had some trouble finding good information online, and I don't have any other sources about the group, except for a brief mention in a book about racist skinhead violence. One thing I'm confused about is the role of the JBAKC in the bombing of the Capitol Building in 1983. The article states that the group claimed responsibility for the bombing, but the May 19th Communist Movement article attributes the bombing to that group. This blog has an excerpt from a communique published in the JBAKC newsletter, but it's not clear whether the communique is from another group and simply published there, or is an actual claim from JBAKC itself. For this reason, I left out any mention of the bombing. Any help in getting at the truth would be greatly appreciated. Mycota (talk) 16:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I actually did a Lexis/Nexus search and found a whole bunch of news articles from the 80s that help clear it up, although as with most communist front groups, it's still hard to understand all of the connections. I'll update the article when I have a bit more time. Mycota (talk) 18:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

T. G. Richards and Company Store

Hi, I just got your message as I was finishing up a reply on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. Let's see what your thoughts are on that. Since you live there, you probably have a better idea of what's best. Cheers clariosophic (talk) 20:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

As far as the National register listing, I posted it for discussion purposes only. It doesn't have to stay. The Functions are what are important to look at in it. That's why I put it there. Looking at the article again I see that courthouse serve more than one county, so probably Washington Territorial Courthouse would be the best title. clariosophic (talk) 20:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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Orphan

Hi I responded on my talk; I don't know how you like to do this. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Anarchism in Cuba

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Congratulations - Anarchism in Cuba

Congratulations to you, and those who assisted, for your work on Anarchism in Cuba. The article has turned out rather wonderfully, and is a great addition to the general collection of anarchist related wiki articles. Do you think you will be moving on to any new wiki-projects, or will you be taking a break for the time being?--Cast (talk) 15:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! for the kudoes! It was a long time coming, and I'm glad to be done with it. But also excited about finding something else to work on, though I've always got little things I'm working on (lot of photography lately), or planning on starting. How is Anarchism in Japan coming along? Oh, and to the discussion above, I believe that it is ALWAYS preferable to use subcategories when possible. This way, something is automatically in Category:Anarchism if they are put in Category:Anarchists and whatnot, Category:Rivers in Washington instead of Category:Rivers, etc. Murderbike (talk) 01:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The Anarchism in Japan article is coming along slowly. I have created the bare foundations for it within my sandbox, which can be accessed here. Feel free to contribute to it at will. I would prefer to first complete the Sakae Osugi and improve the Noe Ito articles first, but that is merely because I will not always have access to information on them, and must take advantage of what I do have right away.--Cast (talk) 04:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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Washington rivers

Hi, sorry it took me so long to reply to your message. Sadly I don't really know any decent books on Washington rivers. There is the "Washington River maps & Fishing Guide" atlas (amazon's page), but it isn't all that great. I know there are some books at the Central Library that have some useful info about specific rivers or parts of rivers, in bits and pieces, but I've yet to find any single book that is really useful. Basically almost everything I've found and added to wikipedia has been either from online sources or common maps, like USGS quads and the like. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Maybe someone should write a book about Washington rivers! Pfly (talk) 05:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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User Ghanadar galpa on Anarchism in India

Hi, thanks for your contribution to the article Anarchism in India. This article is part of broader anrchist movement. This article is nominated for deletion by user Ghanadar galpa due to malicious intent. Nomination of this article for deletion is part of the serial attacks on my articles by user Ghanadar galpa. Please be aware of user Ghanadar galpa. He had added POV texts in Human rights in India page. Custodial death is very high in India, torture in widespread in police custody. But user Ghanadar galpa tried to make it seems like that the police is innocent and the custodial deaths are exaggerated. In the Custodial death section of that article, he added texts like "The media in India enjoys a wide measure of freedom and has enormous reach and power. Technological advances witnessed during the last few decades have provided the media with new abilities hitherto denied them", which I later deleted. He is accusing me that I am not neutral. But the truth is that, it seems user Ghanadar galpa cannot tolerate any article or text which depict human rights violation in India, which depict violence against non-Indian religions in India. As I am trying to bring the truth in light, he is accusing me that I am not neutral. So understand who is not neutral. He seems to be an anti-anrchist. I will like to warn you that user Ghanadar galpa can try to vandalise or disrupt the article Anarchism in India as he have in the article Human rights in India. Thanks and regards. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Can this be construed as vote-canvassing? I am compiling diffs of this otolemur guy running around wp frantically defending articles he created with malice that are being AfD'ed one-by-one (and not all by me mind you, see this and this for instance, both articles created by Mr otolemus Crassicaudatus).Ghanadar galpa (talk) 12:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That is not vote-canvassing. This is to inform another user who is interested in the subject. User Ghanadar galpa IS BUSY TO SPREAD A DIRTY PROPAGANDA AGAINST ME AND MY ARTICLES. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 13:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Both of you need to stop using my talk page as a forum for attacking each other. Please read WP:CIVIL and WP:ATTACK. And Ghanadar, please don't threaten other users on my talk page. Murderbike 19:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Beware of user Ghanadar galpa

Please let me aware you of user Ghanadar galpa. User Ghanadar galpa seems to be an irrational Indophilic propagandist. As I have told you earlier this user Ghanadar galpa seems cannot tolerate any article, any text that depict human rights violation in India, violence against non-Indian religions in India. See the Talk:Human rights in India. There he have falsely accused me that I have violated WP:CIVIL by boldifying words and refering him in third person in a article talk page? He have added POV texts there as I have told you earlier. His motivation is very clear. He is using wikipedia as a tool to spread a dirty Indophilic propaganda. See this[1]. He have just whitewashed the mention of anti-Indian sentiment in Sri Lanka. Why? Seems very clear. He could not tolerate the texts "The atrocities committed by the Indian Peacekeeping Force and support for LTTE in southern India".

• User Ghanadar galpa is presently busy in a dirty propaganda campaign against me and articles I have created. He is more likely to disrupt the articles and texts he claim "anti-Indian".
• He used several wikipedia policies abusively. He nominated the article Anarchism in India for speedy deletion claiming it attack page. See this[2]. Anarchism an attack page? Anarchism has nothing to do with attck. In wikipedia, there are articles depicting anarchist movements in various countries. Thus this article depict anarchist movement in India. Currenty he has nominated Anarchism in India for deletion to spread anti-Anarchist propaganda.
• He also used anonymous IP address besides his username to edit wikipedia. The IP address 70.112.72.233 is used by this user for editing same texts. See this[3] and this[4]. This IP address has good contributions to the article on Bharatiya Janata Party, a political party in India known for there Hindutva ideology. See this IP address's contribution to the Hinduism in Malaysia[5] - added information on anti-Hindu incidents.
• See his edit in Deepa Mehta, a film-director faced opposition by Hindu fundamentalists. He added criticism section. His intentions are clear. He is trying to disparge subjects critical to Hindu fundamentalism.
• I have created an article Anti-Christian violence in India. I know fanatic Hindu fundamentalists will not be able to tolerate this article. User Ghanadar galpa has nominated this article for deletion.
• I have created an article Crime against foreigners in India. Do you know rape incidents on foreigners are increasing in India? Scam are prevalent in India with scam artists preying for foreign tourists? I have added all these information in that article. But some user have nominated it for deletion claiming it non-notable. Now user Ghanadar galpa is abusingly trying to distract the debate there. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crime against foreigners in India and see [6] and [7]. He is now busy to distract votes from favour of articles I have created which this guy see "anti-Indian". I want to acknowledge good editors these facts. Thanks and regards. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 7 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anarchism in Cuba, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

anarcho-project

Hey, so Skomorokh mentioned y'all talking about trying to get some sort of thing together to organize the interested-in-anarchy folks around here. I know there used to be a WikiProject Anarchism, but it died before I came around. I was thinking that if nobody had the time/energy to do a whole new project, we could just create an anarchism task force at WikiProject Philosophy, much like the commies have done here. What do ya think? Murderbike (talk) 02:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

That would be correct, I am indeed interested in creating a small organization for editors interested in organizing anarchist related wiki-articles. To be entirely accurate, a Task Force was my exact suggestion, having already noticed the creation of the Marxism task force. Below is an extract of the recovered conversation.

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...I think, if anything, the Template should be included in an Anarchism Task Force page, which has not been created.
I've been thinking about assembling such a group, as there seems to be a fair number of wikipediens such as ourselves who are interested in maintaining Anarchist related wiki content. But then, I remember that would require organization, and we all know "organized anarchist" is a contradiction in terms, am I right or am I right?--Cast 03:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It goes without saying; that would be order, when of course anarchy means chaos. Sign me up! Skomorokh ^incite 11:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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I've briefly researched the requirements for creating a Task-force, but have found myself with little time to prepare the foundation for it immediately. Perhaps you ought to follow through on your initiative. I would be prepared to join such a group.--Cast (talk) 04:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Awesome. I moved the Marxism Task Force page to my sandbox, and started replacing all the marxist stuff with anarchist stuff. Now I'm gonna make a userbox, and check in with the philosophy project to make sure there's no weird hoops (bureacracy, ahhhh!!!!) we have to jump through to make it official. I'll let ya know when it's all sorted out. I'll be busy all weekend though, so I may not get much done after tonight, until monday or tuesday. Cheers! Murderbike (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I can understand your anxieties concerning The Bureaucracy. This was the exact reason why I had to stop my initial foray into the task force creation process.

I'll contribute as much as I can to this process, within reason. I've already provided several userboxes, back-engineered from the Marxism box. I naturally chose symbols over a portrait of a Vaunted Anarchist Leader. Of course, we love our fallen comrades, but they'd blush to think we'd put them at the head of such a project. Each user box has a symbol taken from the Anarchist symbolism page, and one is in black, just to provide an examples of potential options. And of course, we should not neglect the possibilities offered within this collection of images.--Cast (talk) 05:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, ye headed me off at the pass! I'm definitely partial to the black box, but not picky. Choices are what makes capitalism great, right? For some reason, the one box is sitting in a weird place on my screen, and I couldn't figure out how to make it drop down. It's the fourth one in there, and I was trying to make it so there would be two rows of three, but it wouldn't do anything. Alas. Murderbike (talk) 05:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It's now taken care of. Hope it's pleasing to you. Of course, I would not expect that we will keep all of these as options; perhaps we might want to whittle it down to just one or two. But you know anarchists. Each one just insists on being an individual. It's crazy. --Cast (talk) 05:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 11 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anarchist Exclusion Act, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 19:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Anarchism project

Hi Murderbike, I like the articles you've writing on anarchism (Anarchism in Cuba and Anarchist Exclusion Act). I noticed you've created a draft for a task force for anarchist topics on that sub-page of your user page. I hope you don't mind that I added myself to the list of participants. I think this initiative is a great idea. I've noticed a few editors who regularly submit articles on this topic but no page for collaboration and discussion among them. Would you mind if I invited a few more editors to this page? --Carabinieri (talk) 19:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Good timing!

Hey there, did you know that we were both adding Categories to Greenwich Village townhouse explosion at the exact same moment?? I couldn't understand why I got an "edit conflict" when I tried to save my edit. Turns out you had added Category:Weather Underground while I was working on coming up with 4 other categories. Quite extraordinary, considering that nobody even knew that the article existed! I had just discovered it as a result of creating a link -- using that exact title -- from the article about Cathy Wilkerson. Pretty spooky. :) Cgingold (talk) 03:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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Regarding your message.

Thank you for the message and the invite. I have joined up. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 21:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Blocks of library computers

You asked why blocking a logged-in user would cause a block of your edits at the library. It's probably because when I blocked that user, I may have left the "Autoblock any IP addresses used" option on. (Could you tell me which user I blocked and that turned on the autoblock?) I'll make a note to myself to check that option more closely and turn it on only if an IP address block is truly needed. In the meantime, if you're ever blocked again as a result of someone else's edits, you can use the {{unblock-auto}} template to request an unblock.

Fortunately, that block doesn't show up as a block against you. It's probably showing up as a block against the other user. I checked your contributions and I don't see any problems -- just a lot of good edits about Washington state and sites on the National Register of Historic Places. So, keep up the good work, don't worry about any block record, and if you're ever hit with an autoblock again, use the {{unblock-auto}} template again. Happy editing! --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 22:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The {{unblock-auto}} template goes on your user talk page (right here). And you can edit your own talk page even if you're blocked. As far as JrsportsfanatikII (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is concerned, I blocked him because he was rapidly vandalizing articles, like Wild River State Park, and I was expecting him to continue unabated. I revised the block so just his user account, but not the IP address, should be blocked now. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 22:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Turner (anarchist), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Anarchism in Japan

Hey, so I randomly found a book at the library called "The Japanese Communist Movement: 1920-1966", and it's got a bit of stuff about anarchists in it. Do you have it? If not, I was gonna transcribe all the little sections mentioning anarchists, to have available for this article when it gets rolling. Interested? Murderbike (talk) 01:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Most definitely! Please do this at your pace, as I will not likely have anything written immediately. And of course, when I do, there will still be ample time to rewrite as many drafts as are necessary.--Cast (talk) 02:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Solidaridad Obrera

Nice work on Solidaridad Obrera (periodical). Amazing we didn't already have that! - Jmabel | Talk 20:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Also (unrelated) see my latest comment at User talk:Jmabel#Help!. - Jmabel | Talk 20:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 25 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lower Skagit (tribe), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 05:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

POV?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Play_Station_Story

What? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtaganxtaize (talk • contribs) 07:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 26 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Solidaridad Obrera (periodical), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 12:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

EG=FA

WikiThanks

I'd like to thank you for all your help and support in making Emma Goldman a Featured Article. Huzzah and cheers! – Scartol • Tok 23:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

EG, AB, and Attentat

Hi. Congratulations on the featured article recognition of Emma Goldman, and thanks for helping out with the details concerning Alexander Berkman and Now and After.

With respect to the Attentat redirect, please join the discussion at Talk:Propaganda of the deed#Attentat redirect. Thanks. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 05:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

List of @ musicians

Hey, just wondering if the dispersal of band members is because of the concern about the title of the article, or it being easier to cite individuals, or some other reason I can't think of. Good job either way, gotta keep violet/riga at bay, eh? Murderbike (talk) 07:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The dispersement is useful for both of the reasons you point out, but also because individual members of "anarchist" bands may not be anarchists, but merely sympathizers, or close friends of actual anarchist band members who just needed to fill out a space for a few months between gigs. Also, listing individual musicians gives an opportunity to give more information on each, by providing information on the instruments they use (they may play instruments other than those used in a particular band); the music styles they performed (as individual members may experiment independently of their band mates); and which bands they performed in (bands come and go, but anarchists are eternal... unless they're traitors.) All of this makes the list a viable and useful tool for researchers interested in finding out more about anarchist musicians of any stripe.

Further, not all members of a band may be musicians. For example, Crass had two "members" who's activity was mostly supplementary in nature. One was a film producer who made tapes of band performances; another was an artist who primarily created album art for the band (although she occasionally played the piano.) The film producer was not included in the list, though the pianist was primarily recognized for that contribution.

As for violet/riga... it's hard to not believe at this point that this person isn't just trolling. I mean, this administrator was very punctual about this deadline. I still don't buy into accusations of "systematic deletion" of anarchist articles, but this is silly. There are other articles that we're trying to give our attention to as well. We can't be expected to drop our lives just so we can clean up a list on the spot, or see it nominated for deletion. At a certain point, if Violet wants to see the article improved so badly, violet should just take care of it on his (her?) own. --Cast (talk) 07:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there a two month break between deletion nominations or something? And agreed on everything else, well done! Oh yeah, know anybody handy with photoshop that wants to make an anarchist barnstar, the three folks that did the majority of the work on promoting Emma Goldman to FA would be good to get one. Murderbike (talk) 07:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

There isn't always a two month deadline set after AfD nominations. This was a special case, which took place off the AfD discussion. In the Deletion Review, there was a second discussion held by just a few editors.

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.

While I accept that there is certainly no consensus for deletion here I do feel that the keep voters haven't provided a decent opposition to the arguments for deletion. The key points are:

1. There is no reason why this can't be a category and it would be easier to maintain if it were
2. The title implies musicians and not bands - it mostly consists of the latter
3. There are very few sources for most and this could be a BLP concern
4. Despite suggestions of sorting out inclusion criteria and looking into a categorisation system other than alphabetical nothing has progressed during the nomination.

The arguments for keep seem to comprise:

1. "I'd rather fix the problems", "Afd is not cleanup"
2. Claims of a "systematic attack on anarchist"
3. "This list may be improved" (emphasis mine)

I believe that a category would be better than a list and that the main arguments for keeping the article ignore that suggestion. violet/riga (t) 18:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

* Endorse - No consensus seemed to be the consensus. If things haven't improved in two months as promised in the AfD, list it for deletion again with focus on purpose of lists, the lack of criteria for inclusion and the failure to adhere to that criteria, and Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations. -- Jreferee t/c 18:59, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
* As the closer of the AFD, I don't see where the problem is - in my opinion, although a category would be a good option, there were few supporting it in the AFD explicitly (say two others). GDonato (talk) 19:29, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
* Endorse closure. The arguments weren't the strongest, but neither was there consensus to delete, so that defaults to keep (this is a feature, not a bug, despite a number of recent DRVs that have been essentially second-chance AFDs). I will take you up on the category question. A category should represent an inherent quality of a topic. I'm not sure that the political stance of a musician/band at a given point fits that ideal. Also, a list can be fully documented and structured, whereas a category cannot. Categories are too easy to add to an article without adding real support and bands are a really good example of where this is frequently abused. --Dhartung Talk 19:59, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

— Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 3, (emphasis added)

I read this when it was first decided, and which is why I made this particular post in the anarchist musicians talk page. You can literally see that this was the point when the Anarchist Task Force was conceived, even if it would take several weeks and your participation to see it born. I was already aware of the Marxism Task Force, but reading this deletion review discussion take place while we weren't looking just cemented the sense that we had to have a space to communicate with each other and organize our efforts.

As for photoshop; well, I am myself a little skilled with it, which is why I created the Anarchik Star. But as I am still unable to properly translate Roberto Ambrosoli's comments on the character, I can't tell if his comment about Anarchik not being copyrighted is correct (he seems to imply that he has not copyrighted the character, but placed the copyright symbol on it to discourage use he did not approve of; use by other anarchists should be okay). I'm feeling very confident about that translation, so I would be prepared to gamble and upload the Star, but I know that won't hold up before scrutiny. I suggest asking Switchair, as he seems to be experienced in creating .svg files for articles.

But if you'd happen to know some way we could get an Italian translation of a website, we could potentially get that Anarchik Star set up very fast.--Cast (talk) 08:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The cordial invite

Thank you! I'm touched. I'll probably forget to check in, because I'm flaky like that, but definitely let me know if you need specific tasks done or general editing help or advice! Peace, delldot talk 22:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool! I don't do much content adding, but I do a lot of copy editing. So you + me can probably make some good articles! Let me know when you're ready to have me go over them. Peace, Delldot on a public computer (talk) 05:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Default sort key.

Re [8], it's only used when the title of the article differs from how it should be sorted, e.g. biographies which are sorted by surname, given name. -- Jeandré, 2007-12-29t17:00z

Partido Sindicalista

Hi. I noticed you changed 1974 to 1976. Is that based on the legal registration, or something else? I changed back, based on http://www.iisg.nl/image_sound/poster/spain.php . --Soman (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Spanish civil war

Hi Murderbike. Yes, of course, there is a reason (otherwise I wouldnt have done it). As pointed out in one of my summary edits, there is a Spanish term for "nationalist" which is "nacionalista". The rebels called themselves "nacionales" (nationals) not "nacionalistas" and they did so, among other things, to distinguish themselves from proper nationalists such as Catalan or Basque. Actually I am not very much for using the English term "National" but keeping the original "Nacionales" which has a rather impossible translation in English (but, for sure, that is not "nationalist").

Thanks for the feedback Mountolive _{our unsleepable friend gets the message on an ill wind} 20:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

in Spanish, too, a "nacional" is a citizen of any given country (or and adjective, it means roughly "from the country" such as in Producto Nacional Bruto, Gross Domestic Product in English, I think). So, it is only in thie particular context that Nacionales means, well...Nacionales.

As I said, actually I would support better keeping the original nacional(es) above any other wording, let it be "nationals" or, especially, "nationalistic" because, once again, they did not label themselves nacionalistas because they wanted to be distinguished from proper nationalists like Basque of Catalans, whom they despised.

As for the confusion, actually Basque and Catalans nationalist parties are called so in the text and that is one more reason why the ill-translation nacional=nationalist must be broken, because by means of that we are labelling with the same term both Spanish centralists and Basque or Catalan separatists. Mountolive _{our unsleepable friend gets the message on an ill wind} 21:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll copy my comments here and bring them to the talk page, we may continue there. For the moment I have to say that I am indeed sensitive to your comments on the bibliography in English as well. Thanks. Mountolive _{our unsleepable friend gets the message on an ill wind} 21:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Mountolive about the distinction in Spanish, but pretty much all of the literature in English calls them "Nationalists". Yes, obviously, centralizing Spanish nationalists were and are in conflict—at that time violent conflict—with Basque and Catalan nationalists. But the vocabulary distinction in Spanish hasn't carried across to the literature in English, of which I've read a great deal. And unfortunately, all other terms I've seen used are also problematic. The Royalists weren't Falangists (and vice versa); many on that side did not consider themselves fascists; and to call them Francoists is quite anachronistic when talking about the early years of the conflict (by 1939, it's probably a fair enough term). - Jmabel | Talk 01:26, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Eduard Pons Prades

I've attempted translation of the quotation, on my user talk page. Best of luck. - Jmabel | Talk 01:26, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah...

...I've been around a bit. School hasn't been that bad, I've just been busy having fun away from the computer and stuff. I don't want to get back into spending large amounts of time on wikipedia again, at least not in the near future. But you know how to contact me if needed (here or myspace, the latter being checked more often). Ungovernable Force^{Poll: Which religious text should I read?} 01:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

re: your request

I'd be happy to take a look at it! I'll make my comments on the article's talk when I'm finished, if that's alright with you. VanTucky ^talk 01:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Anarchism in Canada

Yeah, I did that on purpose, just cause its a start of an idea that I will be adding more in the next couple days, I just dont know how its going to go. I Wanna be talkin about the A-zone and visits to winnipeg by Emma Goldmen, Roudolf Rocker. anarchistly yours!Transcona Slim (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Everett Massacre

Curious about your thoughts on my rewrite of Everett Massacre. Could use some more work, such as background labor trouble in Everett, etc. but once you started down that road you'd be taking on a big task. Mtsmallwood (talk) 05:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 3 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eduard Pons Prades , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 20:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)