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Jamie Bekyarovich

hello, i am the creator of the page Jamie Bekyarovich, i am also very new wikipedia, i noticed you deleted the page Jamie Bekyarovich, i was wondering why it was deleted and if theres anything i can do to keep it up such as changeing certain things ect. thanks (talk) 20:12, 5 june 2010

Replied on your talk page:
(Hello, Revolution.rock2010, welcolme to Wikipedia and thank you for your message.
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and so has criteria for what subjects and topics may be included in it. There are a number of guidelines but the primary one is that the subject of an article should have received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." (WP:GNG). In other words Mr Bekyarovich needs to have been written about in some depth in good quality, independent sources to meet the inclusion criterion for an article.
In some cases where an article falls well below the inclusion criteria and has no practical chance of surviving the usual deletion discussion, it may be deleted speedily (or 'speedy deleted', in the jargon). In this case, an editor considered that the article did not makes any credible claim of significance or importance for the subject - one of the criteria for 'speedy deletion' - and when I reviewed it, it appeared to me to unquestionably meet that criterion.
My advice? Begin with sources. Find the best quality sources that you can about a subject and then write the article. And bear in mind the five pillars of Wikipedia.
Kind regards, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 14:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC))

Re: Deletion of Yellow flower (G3: Vandalism / Hoax)

Hi Malcolmxl5. Thanks for taking care of that, I notice you deleted it the second time. I actually recreated that page by mistake, and when I realised what had happened, went hunting for an admin. PMDrive1061 deleted it, and at the same time he deleted it, I was editing it to add a {{db-hoax}} tag to the page.

We must have both hit enter pretty close, and I didn't receive an edit conflict, my edit submitted to Wiki, and all I saw was my tag on the page, stating it was up for CSD under db-hoax. I was concerned in case I received any form of warning for recreation of vandal material, so I figured it wise to let you know what occurred. Thanks for your help. BarkingFish Talk to me | My contributions 09:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem, BarkingFish. These kind of conflicts happen surprisingly often. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you :)

Winner 42 ( Talk to me! ) 23:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem, Ssavilam, though I see the article has been deleted again, this time for not indicating the significance of the company. Perhaps we'll have a look at that later? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:27, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello. Im sorry im not as good editing here as i am in es:wiki, but your reversion is wrong as well. How is someone supposed to know that the article for the band is missing if it keeps pointing to a song that even redirects to it from the same article. I dont think it makes any sense as i was looking for a band, not a song and the chances for creating the article by appearing in blue are very little. Excuse my poor english too. Thanks for your little help. Rafax (talk) 22:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. As stated in Redirects for discussion:
  • 1) The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. - Impossible the way it is now.
  • 4) The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting Apple to Orange. - From a rock and roll band it points to a song of another performer. Rafax (talk) 22:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Rafax, I must say that your English is actually pretty good! I understand what you're saying but speedy deletion of a redirect is restricted to redirects from mainspace to other namespace (with some exceptions); to redirects as the result of an implausible typo that has been recently created; and to redirects to a target that does not exist (e.g. a that page has been deleted). Redirects for discussion is the best place for this, I think, have you listed it there? Kind regards, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Sdel

Article you speedy deleted was recreated [1]. Wikidas© 05:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Wikid. Looks like it's gone again. Cheers, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

D&D Deities

Hi Malcolm! I've been writing three pages on D&D deities for the 4th edition and a week ago you deleted one of them (Erathis). I understand your motivation but I am curious as to why Erathis of all the 314 D&D Deity articles was the one failing to live up to WP standards. My other to articles (Avandra and Ioun), one to which you made minor edits, are quite similar.

Your Sincerely

//Elias —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elzo 90 (talkcontribs) 09:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Elias, I'll have a look into this. (I'm afraid I don't remember the Erathis article - a week can be a long time sometimes !). Cheers, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Elias. I see that I redirected the page to D&D on the basis that it was about fictional character with no independent coverage in reliable sources. If you feel that was not appropriate, do feel free to undo my edit. Regards, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your response! You have a perfectly resonable point and one could certainly argue that all D&D Deity articles should be removed on that basis. Still, such a big step should be preceded by a discussion, and as long as the rest of these articles remain the exclusion of Erathis stands out. I would therefore like to put it back.
Elzo_90 23:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elzo 90 (talkcontribs)
Please do, Elias. That's not a problem at all. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:24, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Alcácer Ceguer listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Alcácer Ceguer. Since you had some involvement with the Alcácer Ceguer redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 85.53.3.194 (talk) 10:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.  :) --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Responsiveness Program

Thank you for clean up on Responsiveness Program. Glad to have the feedback,71.127.137.61 (talk) 19:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Happy to have helped. :) --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 12:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

You're moderating

You've moderated some of my pages, i put some references, and will be puting some more in the future, can you have a look if you can delete the warning box above from the article? Antwerp Diamonds · Bornem Titans · Brussels Bulls · Brussels Black Angels · Ghent Gators · Leuven Lions · Limburg Shotguns · Andenne Bears · Brussels Tigers · Charleroi Cougars · Ottignies Fighting Turtles · Dudelange Dragons · Liege Monarchs · Tournai Phoenix - Arkangel lucifer (talk) 09:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Arkangel lucifer. Thank you for adding references; I have removed the tags. Carry on improving the articles. By the way, don't think of the messages as 'warnings', think of them as advice to editors on how an article might be improved. :) Kind regards, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 12:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, c'mon! Either you're putting a reference improve tag on a school district article, or CorenSearchBot is tagging the user for copyright infringment on a school district article (see: Tamerofhope and Lumpkin County School District). Would you two bots get together and make up your minds? I've complained twice on CorenSearchBot, both times no response. --Mjrmtg (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what CorenSearchBot is up to. :)
I count two primary sources plus the school district's website on the Banks County School District article: the geocoder one just provides a facility to "look up an address"; the school stats is of uncertain quality (how does the reader know it's right?). Are you saying that you *don't* want editors to improve the article with additional, good quality sources. Because that all that tag is doing: asking editors to *improve* the article. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm just not sure if the article is copyvio or if the references need to be improved, between the two bots. How do you suggest the user improve the article with more refs? Add a ref from the school district's website? --Mjrmtg (talk) 02:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
It's difficult to see how CorenSearchBot is finding a copyvio (I am looking at Lumpkin County School District). Probably the situation will improve as the article grows. On the references, I'm not knowledgeable about the US education system but I suspect that, like any bureaucracy, there are plenty of official documents around. :) Here's a similar article I've seen with 13 references Sidney Central School District that might give you a few ideas. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
P.S. How about the National Center for Education Statistics[2][3], a part of the US Department of Education?
The data on that website says it is as of the 2007-2008 school year. I'll look around to see if I can't find somethng more current. --Mjrmtg (talk) 16:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Links to "Nicholas X. Notias" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_X._Notias) fixed - no more bare url's. Also added more references and proper citations about this persons professional associations.

- aekfc vice-president: http://www.aekfc.gr/index.asp?a_id=2996

- Society of Maritime Arbitrators: http://www.smany.org/sma/memberRoster.html#N —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.10.68.148 (talk) 05:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Nice work, 87.10.68.148. I've reformatted the citations so we can see what they are. I particularly like these two [4][5], which tells us something about the life of Mr Notias and more of these would be good. :) --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 14:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Penelope Boston BLP notability - resolved?

Thanks for tagging this. Penelope Boston is somewhat (but not entirely) unsung. With a longish interview of her, and another article about her work on microbots on Mars (the SEED magazine entry), I think I've got enough cites to definitely establish notability. Actually, from the links available when I found the article, I think she'd already cleared that bar, but because those links weren't properly labeled, it was far from obvious. In addition, there was early coverage from Gregg Easterbrook, later more extensive stuff in National Geographic, and a few other good sources. I'm taking the notability tag down. Yakushima (talk) 11:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, I agree. Good work there, Yakushima. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 12:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi. You tagged this article and I've done a ton of work on it. Let me know what you think. If you're really keen, I'd appreciate it if you could check the references. - Richard Cavell (talk) 11:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Richard, it's looking good. If I might make a suggestion, I think some of the items are over cited: two or three ought be enough, but you've done a grand job there. I'm happy to help out by the way. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. My intention is that we can comment out some of the refs. But while I was working on it, I wanted to propagate the references as much as possible so that at least one could see the menu from which to choose, if you know what I mean. - Richard Cavell (talk) 22:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
And one more thought - I think we should have as many references as possible for, say, the sex scandal mention. That's the kind of thing that should be sourced as robustly as possible. I invite you to work on it. See what you can do. - Richard Cavell (talk) 22:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Deano

Hi, in case you didn't see it, the BLP has been mentioned here thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 15:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's where I picked it up. :) I'll pop over and leave a message. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:59, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't notice you had already done the work to improve it and I was thinking, what is this complaint about..excuse me. Thanks Off2riorob (talk) 16:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the calcutta cup incident this is an interesting article We dropped the Calcutta Cup while using it as a rugby ball, admits Jeffrey-the scotsman 28 june 2010 Off2riorob (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there's plenty been written about it. There was an article in the Mail on Sunday this weekend tooThe drink-fuelled night I used the Calcutta Cup for a game of rugby; John Jeffrey reveals at last what he really did to the famous old trophy; it was quite a notorious incident at the time. I've removed it for now as undue weight. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I learn something new here every day. I see it is commented out for now and that you are still improving the article. Good work there by the way. Off2riorob (talk) 17:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to leave it there for now, I think. The sections on his playing career and the lead need expanding but I've alerted Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union to it so hopefully they can take it further. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
The Editor's Barnstar
Well earned for your quality (unpaid) work improving Dean Richards (rugby union) Off2riorob (talk) 19:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
The Cleanup Barnstar
In thanks for your work bringing Dean Richards (rugby union) up to scratch in a very timely and efficient manner. Very impressive work! Mike Peel (talk) 21:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Erin Hill Page

Hi, I saw you added the {{refimproveBLP}} tag to the Erin Hill page. Most of the info comes from the artist's official page, IMDB and personal knowledge of her career. How can I improve the article? Can I ask you some advice/help on what citations and/or notes fit better? Thanks in advance. Cat italia (talk) 11:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

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The Snow Leopard (EP)

Hi Malcolmx15,

I have added some references to the page "The Snow Leopard (EP) (see the Wikipedia article/page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snow_Leopard_(EP)). Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to increase the article's notability. I hope you have a good day.

Regards,

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AfD nomination of Kourosh Zolani

An article that you have been involved in editing, Kourosh Zolani, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kourosh Zolani. Thank you.

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fyi

After some expansion I restored the article on Andrea J. Prasow to article space. Since you played a role in its deletion and userification I thought I would keep you informed.

Since the article is about three times as long, covers more "events", and has more references, I did not think it was necessary to request a DRV. Do you think I got that right?

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Invitation to join WP:RRTF

Hello, {{subst:BASEPAGENAME}}! I'd like to invite you to join the Rick Riordan Task Force (formerly the "Percy Jackson" Task Force) of WikiProject Novels. We work to improve articles related to Rick Riordan and his books. Please, check out our project page or contact me to learn more! -- ~~~~
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Thank you for your kind invitation. I haven't read any of the books so I probably wouldn't be of much help, I afraid. :) Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

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Rubicon Project Question

Hello

I noticed that you deleted my new Rubicon Project page and I am curious as to why. I sourced major news outlets and the firm is notable. Any insights would be appreciated on how I can do better as I am fairly new to editing. thank you.Goalloverhere (talk) 21:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I'll have to have a look for it as I don't recall it. Back soon. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I see that I nominated it for deletion as an article that that did not indicate the importance or significance of the company that it was about and it was subsequently deleted by User:Courcelles. I see also that you added sources after I nominated it for deletion. What I suggest you do is ask Courcelles to userfy for you so that you can carry on working on it in your user space. A bit more work, sources and that assertation of significance will probably do the job. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Just a head's up. I restored Yamassee as a redirect to Yamasee, since most people are looking for the actual historical tribe not an obscure fake tribe. I then moved the disambiguation info to Yamasee (disambiguation). I turned Yamassee Native Americans into a redirect to Nuwaubianism#Dwight York .28.22Black Eagle.22.29. Hopefully this will enable everyone to find the information they are actually looking for. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Oh excellent. A good solution. Thanks, Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Dear Mr. “Malcolmxl5”

I’ve found a “notability” tag in the RenovatioCMS article. I understand you’re an experienced wiki user. I am not. Please give me some time to find some third party sources. I did not know they were required.

Our software is completely free and open. The project is relatively new, but more users appear every day. Anyone can participate. One could argue it doesn’t harm anyone to have a Wiki article written about it. The article is meant to be neutral and is actually quite accurate. It also serves to complete the List of content management systems and to add extra value to articles that link to it, like WYSIWYM.

Nevertheless, the statement that an article should have more than one source seems reasonable. How much time is there left for us to correct this situation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durk de Vries (talkcontribs) 09:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Mr de Vries, do call me Malcolm! The tag is a general one advising editors how the article may be improved. In this case, it will be improved by additional sources as the general criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia is to show significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. No time limit has been specified so you may go ahead and improve the article at your own pace. Let me know if you have any problems. Kind regards, Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)