User talk:Liza Zimmerman

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Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Liza Zimmerman. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the COI guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:32, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Following on to this, please carefully read and follow our policy on disclosing paid contributions. In particular, you should add a {{connected contributor (paid)}} template at the top of the Duckhorn talk page, you must also provide links on your Wikipedia user page to all active accounts at websites where they advertise paid Wikipedia-editing services. Thanks, Railfan23 (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Duckhorn wineries

Hi Liza, could I ask you to take another look at this edit of yours which once again makes the claim that Duckhorn has eight wineries. I do not believe this is true, and it certainly isn't what the source for that text says. As far as I can tell it is accurate to say that Decoy and Magnitude are not wineries, they are second labels of Duckhorn. That is definitely what the source says. Unless you have a superseding independent source that Decoy and Magnitude are wineries, please revert back to the accurate and sourced version. Thank you, Railfan23 (talk) 19:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could you respond to this, please? It would be much better if you took the incorrect information out of the article - or gave a reliable, independent source that shows that there are indeed Decoy and Magnitude wineries. Otherwise I'll take it out, since it directly contradicts the current source in the article (and reality, as far as I can tell). Thanks, Railfan23 (talk) 21:36, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Duckhorn Winery (July 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SamHolt6 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Declining. As subjects to not inherit notability from other, more notable affiliates, this topic does not have the individual notability to meet WP:NCORP when separated from Duckhorn Vineyards; information from this draft is better suited on the Duckhorn Vineyards article

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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SamHolt6 (talk) 22:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Liza Zimmerman! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! SamHolt6 (talk) 22:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Duckhorn Wine Company (July 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SamHolt6 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Declining; draft is almost an exact copy of the declined Draft:Duckhorn Winery. Please refrain from submitting multiple copies of the same draft.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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SamHolt6 (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note - submitting copies of the same draft

Hi. Please refrain from submitting copies of the same or similar draft(s), as you did with Draft:Duckhorn Winery and Draft:Duckhorn Wine Company; it is considered to be WP:DISRUPTIVE. Instead, please note that you can resubmit a declined draft instead. Thank you.--SamHolt6 (talk) 02:22, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kosta Browne has been accepted

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Lapablo (talk) 09:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of California Wine Advisors

Hello Liza Zimmerman,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged California Wine Advisors for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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Bensci54 (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Paid interest disclosure

User:Liza Zimmerman, you still have not complied with Wikipedia's rules about paid editing. Please read and follow WP:COI. You are required to "maintain a clearly visible list on your user page of your paid contribution" which you have not done. You also "must declare who is paying you, who the client is, and any other relevant role or relationship" which you have not done, and it is recommended that you place a filled out {{connected contributor (paid)}} one the talk page of any articles you edit. It is part of the terms of use of Wikipedia that you follow these rules, and it is disappointing that you have not done so, despite repeated requests here. Further details can be found at Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Thank you, Railfan23 (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Liza Zimmerman: Please address this issue before you edit further. This is not optional. If you continue to edit articles without disclosing that you are being paid for your work, I will report you to the administrators. It baffles me that weeks after you were asked to do this you have taken no action at all to meet this requirement. Railfan23 (talk) 00:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of California Wine Advisors

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A tag has been placed on California Wine Advisors requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a club, society, or group that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. KSFT ^(t|c) 20:01, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dan Duckhorn (August 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SamHolt6 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Declining; the draft currently does not indicate the subject has a claim to encyclopedic significance when separated from a notable winery he founded. Thus, declining as a WP:BIO failure for the moment

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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SamHolt6 (talk) 22:25, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by Liza Zimmerman

I am a wine writer being paid by Duckhorn to fix their web pages. These changes are relative to these edits:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Duckhorn_Vineyards&diff=909053452&oldid=908910880 I have been correcting these errors as the current listing does not list the other founder: Margaret Duckhorn. Nor does it list the company's current brands, feature updated pictures and other relative information.

Please see all the changes I have requested here, back up by journalist confirmation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Duckhorn_Vineyards&oldid=908910880

Please advise when I can make these permanent changes. Thanks. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 22:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I recommend using the following format for the edit request:

The article currently contains the statement X, which is wrong because Y, and the correct information is Z. Source: [1]
The article currently contains the statement X, which is wrong because Y, and the correct information is Z. Source: [2]
The article currently contains the statement X, which is wrong because Y, and the correct information is Z. Source: [3]
The article currently contains the statement X, which is wrong because Y, and the correct information is Z. Source: [4]

You can click here to edit your original request:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Duckhorn_Vineyards&section=7&veaction=editsource

Thank you very much in advance. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:47, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Editing the article directly

Hi

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Thank you very much for your time and understanding. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:25, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Posting other people's private correspondence

Hi! Would you please, once and for all, stop posting private correspondence from other people in Wikipedia? I've no idea in what world that might be considered acceptable behaviour, but it surely is not acceptable here. Please take this as a final warning. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

{[request for change]}Liza Zimmerman Liza Zimmerman (talk) 00:08, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

{[request for help]} {{Connected contributor (paid)Liza Zimmerman Liza Zimmerman Liza Zimmerman (talk) 00:08, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies I was trying to provide evidence of a photog's permission to use his art. That is the email (posted several times at considerable time cost to him: along with emailing you to get a ticket number) that he provided so we could use his pics. 00:08, 4 September 2019 (UTC)Liza Zimmerman (talk)

Edit request declined repeatedly

Hi Liza Zimmerman, the talk page at Talk:Duckhorn_Vineyards has reached considerable size. Please take a while to read the whole content of the talk page, including your requests, and the community's answers to them. My personal recommendation after all these edit requests would be accepting the article in its current state without making any further similar requests. This recommendation is mainly based on the community's detailledly explained, policy-based reaction to the requests, not on the content of the edits itself. That said, I do agree with the community regarding the content as well, and I may have left the neutral position to voice similar points if there hadn't been enough editors to explain them already.

The existence of the conflict of interest guideline and the paid-contribution disclosure policy are, as you may have expected, the result of many years of problematic edits made by people with a conflict of interest, including – yes, really – Wikipedia's founder Jimmy Wales himself. It would be surprising for me to see that your conflict of interest is entirely unproblematic, and I see no indication of such a surprise.

My request – and I would say "my kind request", but then again, perhaps such a request inherently isn't kind, for which I apologize – is, please, to avoid making any further edits regarding Duckhorn Vineyards, and likely Kosta Browne, including edits to the talk pages of these articles, unless you are requesting (or very, very, very carefully implementing) the removal of factually incorrect information. Anything else, I am afraid, would be disruptive. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:25, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Duckhorn Wine Company concern

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Draft:Duckhorn Winery concern

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Your draft article, Draft:Duckhorn Winery

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Bkissin (talk) 21:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Duckhorn Wine Company

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Your draft article, Draft:Dan Duckhorn

Hello, Liza Zimmerman. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Dan Duckhorn".

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kosta Browne has been accepted

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Your contributed article, Create a new story

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Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, Create a new story. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – Draft:TOR Wines. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Draft:TOR Wines. If you have new information to add, you might want to discuss it at [[Talk:Draft:TOR Wines|the article's talk page]].

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Create a new story

Hello, Liza Zimmerman. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Create a new story, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.

Please note that in accordance to our conflict of interest editing guidelines, I have moved your article to Draft:TOR Wines 2, as editors with a conflict of interest should not create articles straight onto the mainspace. When you are ready to submit the page for review by our Articles for Creation reviewers, please do so by adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. Thank you. Sdrqaz (talk) 02:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that this seems to be a duplicate of Draft:TOR Wines. I would advise that you submit only one of them. Sdrqaz (talk) 02:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:TOR Wines 2

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A tag has been placed on Draft:TOR Wines 2, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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DGG, David where is the first draft of Tor? I can't find it. The second one was also not advertising but important info about a major producer in Napa who is coming out with a book. Best,

Lisa, that sounds a lot like advertising. Are you also editing as OMvino2021? cc @Theroadislong: Star Mississippi 18:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am only editing under my own name. Best,

Advice

Hi. Looking at your recent edits, it doesn't seem like you have taken the time to read the Wikipedia guidelines and practise editing before plunging straight in and trying to create an article. We are very tolerant of newcomers, but we do expect you to put in a little effort. Articles won't get past draft if they aren't written in accordance with the Wikipedia guidelines and policies, so it will save you time in the long run. Deb (talk) 19:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Deb. I did that and will do it again. Best, liza Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Lisa, I'm concurring with @Deb: here. I understand you're trying to follow the policies, but the manner in which you're proceeding is not going to help you have an article approved. You would really have a better experience if you kept the conversation centralized rather than a number of users' talk pages where they're often repeating the same information as we're all trying to help you (cc @DGG, Theroadislong, TechnoTalk, and Sdrqaz:). The AFC help desk was good, here on your Talk is also fine. As I mentioned above, please disclose any other accounts you may be using and whether or not you are being paid to edit on behalf of TOR Wines. Thank you! Star Mississippi 21:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For other editors' convenience: Draft:TOR Wines 2 created by Liza Zimmerman and Draft:TOR Wines created by OMvino2021 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and edited by Liza. Star Mississippi 21:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Both had been deleted, but Liza has recreated Draft:TOR Wines. Courtesy @Deb and Theroadislong: who were involved in the CSD. Liza Zimmerman, please disclose any conflict of interest. Star Mississippi 00:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am only editing under my own name. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 00:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings. As my article was reviewed I am curious to know why it is not live. Can you let me know? Best, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 03:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is making you think that your article has passed a review? Deb (talk) 09:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understand Liza's confusion here, @Deb. @Theroadislong marked it as reviewed. However, Liza, that's not the same as an AFC review. I would suggest you not submit it, however, as it will be declined again as it remains not ready for main space. Please read WP:CORP/WP:ORG to learn what is required for notability. I notice you also haven't disclosed a conflict of interest nor have you said you don't have one. Are you involved with the upcoming book? Star Mississippi 16:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC) @[[User:De I am not involved with the book. I am a wine writer so I have interviewed the owner of the winery for stories, but do not think that is a conflict of interest. Do you think I can submit it for a review? I also got a comment on the talk page that it was reviewed. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 19:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@[[User:Theroadislong I read the quidelines on notability that you sent and I think Tor qualifies. Very few wineries get 100-point scores on wines, so his winery is significant. I have also added more than a dozen reliable national magazine sources to suppport the content that I wrote. What else do you think I need to do to edit it before sending it in for review? Thanks,  Liza Zimmerman (talk) 19:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[[User:Star Mississippi| can you also answer the question above? Thanks, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 19:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am a volunteer editor, you are a paid professional, I am unwilling to help you. Theroadislong (talk) 19:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Theroadislong I am in the wine business, which is why I know what is important to other's in our business and think what Tor is doing is relevant. @[[User:Deb @[[User:Star Mississippi| can someone help me? Thanks, Sdrqaz Sdrgaz, Do you have any thoughts about this? Thanks, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:10, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has zero interest in what you think is "important to other's in our business" that is promotion and should get you blocked from editing. Theroadislong (talk) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry Liza, I cannot help you on this. I do not think the company is notable and would not approve it for mainspace. Others may disagree, which is why AFC has a number of reviewers who may see it differently and is a good thing. You're welcome to submit it though, I will not take any decision on the draft and am happy to leave it for someone else. However the fact that you re-created it after @Deb and @Bbb23 deleted them rather than discussing it is not the best way to proceed. Thank you for the disclosure re: payment, although that is still a COI and if this is approved you should make edit requests rather than editing it directly. Star Mississippi 23:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 2022

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to First Growth. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 21:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to link to more pages in Wikipedia as sources of information. Should I not do that? Best, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 00:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you read Theroadislong's edit summary correctly. He was warning you that you must abide by the neutral point of view policy. Incidentally, just adding a comment or question on this page won't necessarily get you a response. You need to alert someone to the fact that you are waiting for an answer. See how I formatted Theroadislong's ID in this message - that will tell him that he's been mentioned on a Talk page and he will probably drop by to see what it's all about. Deb (talk) 09:14, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings on another note can we please remove that I am being pay to edit the Duckhorn listing, as I am not. Please let me know. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 00:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tor Wines (February 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by TheTechnician27 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Lopifalko did good work cleaning it up since Theroadislong and Star Mississippi made their comments, and while this would likely be a WP:PERMASTUB, that did not sway my decision. The 'History' section is entirely dedicated to what Kenward did before this company, which doesn't bode well. The Napa Valley Life Magazine and Drinks Business sources both fail WP:INDY. The Valley Register source is hyper-local, and I can't tell how much if any the Wine Spectator piece actually has to do with the company (it appears they were selected by the publication for their California Wine Experience, but so were almost 200 others). The Chronicle source is an interview with Ames, and the D Magazine source was an interview conducted with Kenward over lunch. The Robb source seems to be independent (it has a brief quote from Kenward, but I don't think that's necessarily indicative that the whole section of that article non-independent). The draft's creator states that they are "only editing under [their] own name", and given they've been forthcoming with other affiliations, I think it's reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Nevertheless, until the draft contains more robust sourcing (the best source I could find outside of it is this listicle from Food & Wine), the subject fails WP:NCORP.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 05:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion

Hi Liza. I don't believe you want to delete the article since you're continuing to work on it, but with this edit you added the code to have an article you created deleted. Please advise if you changed your mind and do want it deleted and I will do so. Star Mississippi 20:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC) @[[User:Star Mississippi| you are correct and thanks I do not want it deleted. One of the other editors told me to put that code at the top if I wanted to edit it. Any idea what else I could do to make it beter? Thanks, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 21:41, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that editor misspoke, or misunderstood your question. You don't need to add anything to show you're editng it unless you're making a major edit, for which you could use {{inuse}} but that's more applicable in main space and for "breaking news". If independent sourcing doesn't exist, there might not be anything you can do to improve the article. But if there is sourcing about the company that doesn't focus on interviews with them, that would be great. Star Mississippi 22:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@[[User talk:Star Mississippi| as I have said in my COI, I am a wine writer and it is typical in our business that interviews are conducted with wine producers with high-end publications. We generally treat them as reputable publications. Do you have any other suggestions? Best, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 22:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately that's one of the challenges when you're used to a different style guide and audience, which I'm sure you've run into as well in your writing career. It works for wine publications, but they're not usable for an encyclopedia since (generally, not you specifically) you are interviewing the subject for their POV on a topic whereas what's needed here is what a third party is saying. It's a little complicated. Let me know if that's helpful. Star Mississippi 22:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@[[User:Star Mississippi| It is helpful! Thanks.

Just to let you know, you're still mis-formatting the alerts. User:Star Mississippi only saw this because s/he happened to look at your Talk page. If you want to alert others, you can see the options available at Help:Notifications. Deb (talk) 13:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Deb Deb, Can you see this? This system is not very easy to use. Can you provide me with any feedback on this listing? Thanks, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you have done this correctly and it came up in my alerts. I'm not sure what you mean about the "listing". I think that User:Star Mississippi has already given you a clear response to your questions above. Deb (talk) 09:13, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Deb Deb, It was archived and I would like it to be live. All the sources are reputable. Best, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Liza Zimmerman you have not submitted it for review again after @TheTechnician27 declined it. I'm not sure it would be approved but you're welcome to re-submit. I believe it would be best left for an uninvolved editor. You may not have a direct COI, but as a wine industry writer you're not particularly independent as for whether sourcing is of the standard required for an encyclopedia. Star Mississippi 23:01, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ [[User talk:Star Mississippi| I have checked the sources and added new ones. Writing for Wiki is indeed different, how could I find someone not in the wine business to help me out with this? Best,Liza Zimmerman (talk) 01:14, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you feel it's ready, you're welcome to submit it and it will be reviewed by an AFC editor like has been done before. It's not that you need to find someone outside the wine industry (although that would help), but maybe someone who has no interest in/familiarity with Tor. Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink could be an option. I don't edit in this area so don't have any other thoughts but maybe someone else watching this will. If you make it crystal clear on your user page that you're not getting compensated for this, it will help because a challenge in general is why volunteers should help when others are being paid for their work. Star Mississippi 02:24, 14 February 2022

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@TheTechnician27 @[[[User talk:Star Mississippi|

greetings. I just edited it again and changed the sources. Rhey are all now independent, reliable sources and none are interviews with the wine producer. Could you kindly take another look at it? Thanks, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liza. I removed a press release, which @Theroadislongexplained earlier cannot be used for sourcing. If you feel it's ready, please click the blue re-submit button and it will be in the queue for someone to review. cc @TheTechnician27 as you still seem to be having some ping trouble. Star Mississippi 22:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ [[User talk:Star Mississippi| thanks for doing that! Which one was a press release? Somehow I can't find the new version with your edit. Where might it be? Best,Liza Zimmerman (talk) 23:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! This one is a press release. You can see the latest version where I removed it and the resubmit button at Draft:Tor Wines. Star Mississippi 23:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tor Wines (February 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Deb was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Liza, there is no claim of notability here and no evidence that the company meets the notability criteria.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Tor Wines and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Tor Wines, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Deb (talk) 09:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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