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Administrators' newsletter – March 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
  • A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.

Technical news

  • Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.

Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Slow down!

Please read the notices I left in regards to speedy deletions you been making. I'm almost certain somebody has messed up a template. Categories and disestablishments by decade are being both lumped into a establishments category....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:07, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

BHG has it back under control[1]. All the speedy deletion nominations need to be withdrawn. We can now return to our regularly scheduled program irregularly scheduled editing.......William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:18, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

No problem, William! Thanks for tracking down the issue that was causing them to be empty.
Just FYI, speedy deleted-tagged empty categories sit for 7 days just to look into any problems that might be causing them to mistakenly be empty. Thanks for letting me know. It looks like UnitedStatesian has gotten to some of these categories and I'll get to the rest. Liz Read! Talk! 19:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Block request

Could you please block user:47.15.238.55. AIV will delete my report because she is already blocked, yet the block is only for certain pages. CLCStudent (talk) 20:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, CLCStudent, I've issued a short block for the vandalism, I hope it won't interfere with the range block that already exists. Liz Read! Talk! 20:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
It won't interfere with the other block. as the other block is for a range. Thank you! CLCStudent (talk) 20:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

My awkward move attempt regarding Amish Acres / The Barns at Nappanee

I'm only contacting you and not posting this to a centralized community area because you blanked the The Barns at Nappanee talk page and happen to be an admin.

In my attempt to move the Amish Acres article to The Barns at Nappanee, I accidentally moved the former to Talk:The Barns at Nappanee because I was looking at the options in the dropdown menu (it had been so long since I had done a move that I don't even remember a dropdown menu) and accidentally left the menu option as "talk" without noticing. Instead of just undoing the move, since somehow, probably in a state of mild panic, I misremembered that moves couldn't simply be undone, I then moved Talk:The Barns at Nappanee to The Barns at Nappanee. Because of the initial weird cross-space move, Talk:Amish Acres still exists in the same place, and I can't move that to Talk:The Barns at Nappanee because of course the redirect page is in the way, which is why it needs to be deleted. I realize that putting a speedy delete template on there probably wasn't the best choice but I couldn't think of anything better. If I understand correctly, if Talk:The Barns at Nappanee gets deleted and then Talk:Amish Acres is moved to Talk:The Barns at Nappanee, the end result will be the same as if I hadn't made my initial mistake, including the retained page histories, it's just that the move history will be goofy. Any help is appreciated. Mapsax (talk) 00:48, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, Mapsax, but I can't follow your narrative. Right now, I can't tell what page is supposed to go where. Could you simplify it to something like this?
Page A needs to go to Page B (A>B)
Page X needs to go to Talk page Q (X>Q)
Talk page T (which has been deleted) needs be restored and to go to Page V (T>V)
Page H needs to be deleted
Something like that. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 03:35, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Talk: The Barns at Nappanee needs to be deleted
Talk: Amish Acres needs to be moved to Talk: The Barns at Nappanee
Obviously the actions must be taken in the order listed. Mapsax (talk) 03:49, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Mapsax,
Right now, both Amish Acres and Talk:Amish Acres are proper redirects to The Barns at Nappanee and Talk:The Barns at Nappanee. It could be that this edit by EdJohnston already achieved what you were looking to do with your suggested deletion and move. Liz Read! Talk! 17:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Well, not really – even though the respective redirects are now correct, Talk:The Barns at Nappanee doesn't have the talk page history of Talk:Amish Acres, even if the former looks the same now on the surface as the latter did. Mapsax (talk) 01:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
There has benn no genuine content addition in the edit history of either Talk:Amish Acres or Talk:The Barns at Nappanee. (For example, no actual talk discussions). The only edits are maintenance edits. Moreover, no pages were deleted so all the original history is still preserved. I would be tempted to call this issue resolved. EdJohnston (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes, but I still would feel better if there were some kind of reference on the current talk page, like "this page used to be located at Talk:Amish Acres?redirect=no, its history differs slightly from this page's"; I seem to remember a template for this usage, but it could be my mind playing tricks on me...again, sorry about all of the confusion. Mapsax (talk) 02:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I put a note at the top of Talk:The Barns at Nappanee. I decided against the "Split article" and "Copied" templates, and the "hatnote" template wouldn't work because of the "=" in the URL. Mapsax (talk) 03:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Hindi Khabar

Hello Liz, I noticed that you recently deleted the article for Hindi Khabar. Can you please consider recovering it? In the talk page of the article I also mentioned why this article should exist since it's one of the leading channels in some states of India and has the most viewership in Uttar Pradesh therefore it should have an article of its own where people can get the proper information about it. Thanks Axeals (talk) 05:15, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Axeals,
This article was deleted previously through a deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindi Khabar, which I think you would know about because you've created this article twice. Plus, you have a copy of this article already at Draft:Hindi Khabar where you can continue to work on it. I recommend submitting it to Articles for Creation once you have better sources. But it must greatly improve from its current state or it will be deleted as the recreation of the originally deleted article. Please do not move your draft directly into the main space as it is now or it will be deleted again. Liz Read! Talk! 17:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Question about draft deletion

I have a question about the draft, Donga Science, which have been deleted. I think that I wouldn't do much edit for few years, but maybe later, can I restore the page? Is it possible? Thanks, Sincerely, Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Luke Kern Choi 5,
 Done Draft:Donga Science is restored! Happy that you are going to be working on it. Liz Read! Talk! 01:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
If I have a page deleted, can it be still restored after few years?Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 01:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
It depends. There are different types of deletion (read over Wikipedia:Deletion process for details). In your case, it was a draft of an article that wasn't actively being worked on which are deleted after 6 months of inactivity. Those pages can be restored at any time upon request. If the page was deleted after a deletion discussion (like at Articles for deletion), restoration is less likely to happen. Then there are PRODs and speedy deletion, too.
Do you remember the name of the page? I can look into it for you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:21, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Deleted Articles

Hey, liz.

You recently deleted two of the articles I created Bharatiya Kisan Union and Ima Market and three redirects to the latter; Ima Keithel, Nupi Keithel and Khwairamband Bazar under WP:G5. I had appealed the block for a review and have been unblocked since on grounds of it being inconclusive (or so I'm assuming). Would it be possible for you to restore the pages? Hope it is not a bother.

Tayi Arajakate Talk 13:48, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done I think that was every page that was mistakenly deleted, Tayi Arajakate. I'm sorry that you were misidentified as a sockpuppet. Liz Read! Talk! 21:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of 2020 England police, fire and crime commissioner elections

Can you please provide a reason as to why this was deleted. I provided a detailed explanation of why when contesting the speedy deletion of the article and why the 4 police, fire and crime commissioner elections should have a separate article to the 36 2020 England and Wales police, and crime commissioner elections. These are two similar but legally distinct types of elections with the offices having different powers and covering different legal jurisdictions. Sparkle1 (talk) 21:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sparkle1,
2020 England police, fire and crime commissioner elections had essentially the same content as 2020 England and Wales police and crime commissioner elections. Please add information to the existing article. Liz Read! Talk! 22:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

That defies logic. The elections are different. They are for different bodies. The article was a split from the other as covering Police and crime commissioners and police, fire and crime commissioners in the same article is confusing. the title is not reflective of the two distinct roles and powers and this cannot be rectified. There was not duplication, there was splitting. The information on police fire and crime commissioners had been removed from the page on police and crime commissioners, in particular, the four areas with police, fire and crime commissioners. Why do mayors for a place have separate articles from the elections of members of the body? by the logic used to remove this article, there should not be separate articles yet that consensus on Wikipedia for English elections is clearly to do so.Sparkle1 (talk) 00:01, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Sparkle1,
I am not going to argue with you about how elections for fire commissioners are different from those for crime commissioners. The articles looked identical to the editor who tagged the page and also to me. But I have restored the article with edit history at User:Sparkle1/Sandbox where you can continue to work on this page and try to make any distinctions that exist more obvious that they appear to be.
I'm warning you though that if you move this page right back into the main space of the encyclopedia without significant changes, it will be again tagged and deleted, by a different administrator who will probably not be willing to give you another chance at it. I encourage you, when you think the article is ready, to submit it to Articles for Creation where it can be reviewed by experienced editors and approved. It is much less likely to be deleted if you send it through the AfC process. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 00:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your constructive response to this. Sparkle1 (talk) 09:20, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Ysilv008 (talk) 06:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Liz, I am a student and am doing an article on Alfred "Bo" Lomahquahu. Would you please re upload my article so I could fix any mistakes I had on it? I didnt intentionally mean to copy information. Thank you

Hello, Ysilv008,
What do you mean by "re upload"? Liz Read! Talk! 15:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


Hi again, by that I mean like if you can make it to where I can work on it still and the article be live again, because I was notified that you deleted it? I am not sure if it is correct but I was instructed to contact you because my article was deleted by you. Sorry for any confusion and inconvenience. I just hope I can get my article back so I can continue working on it because it is an assignment for one of my classes in college. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ysilv008 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ysilv008,
I just deleted the redirect from User:Ysilv008/sandbox to Alfred "Bo" Lomahquah. According the tagging, admin ReaderofthePack deleted your article Alfred "Bo" Lomahquah on March 4th because it was a copyright violation of this website. There is no point in restoring a broken redirect as long as the article is deleted.
You can try contacting ReaderofthePack to see if they will restore the original article but this is typically not done if there was copyrighted material used. Liz Read! Talk! 20:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I can't restore the article but I could email you the content. Then you could remove the copyright-violating material. However, should you cut and paste the exact same material into an article on Wikipedia, it will be deleted again. Let me know if you want the article emailed to you. Liz Read! Talk! 20:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Category:PD Greece

Category:PD Greece is no longer empty. Please re-create. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 18:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration evidence

Thank you for helping me out with the length of my evidence concerning Jytdog! I really appreciate the heads up. I was still a newbie when I ran screaming off of Wikipedia, and since it's been almost two years, I find I have forgotten most of what little I knew. Another editor says I might have made an error in putting my analysis of evidence on the workspace page--should it be rebuttal in my evidence section instead or what? Thank you! I genuinely appreciate the help. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:45, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jenhawk777,
Glad you returned to editing Wikipedia except getting into an arbitration case isn't the easiest reintroduction. I'm not sure why you are posting in the Workshop section as discussion usually moves there after the Evidence phase is over which isn't for another 10 days. And I'm not sure who you are rebutting as Jytdog hasn't posted yet.
But I'll check over your contributions in the case in the next day. It's late here & I'm about to turn in. Liz Read! Talk! 04:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanx for such a quick response! I have now moved my response off the analysis page and into rebuttal in my own section. I am so grateful for your help! But I haven't really returned. I got notified about this through my email and couldn't breathe for awhile realizing Jytdog was trying to come back. I felt obligated to all the unsuspecting newbies out there not to say something. That's all I'm doing. Then I will ghost off quietly into the night once again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

In re Draft:Saucer Tennis

The creator and pretty-much sole contributor is, at present, blocked, and has demanded that everything about the subject be removed. Given the circumstances, I thus interpret it as a G7 request from him. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 22:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thank you, I appreciate the explanation. Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 22:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you

You seem to be patrolling in several places which I am watching also, and have beaten me to welcoming a contributor. Thanks for the good work. ↠Pine (✉) 23:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Pine! I'm pleased to say that I'm not having to make many reverts on the coronavirus articles I check out. More solid editing than I expected with such a fast-moving subject. Liz Read! Talk! 03:32, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Dinesh Bond moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Dinesh Bond, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, AngusWOOF, but I just fixed a broken redirect on the page. I expect this draft will be deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 16:32, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you so much & Best wishes. Arenasky (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Arenasky. I'm taking a self-imposed Wikipedia break. Too much time at home on the computer. Be back later. Liz Read! Talk! 00:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/List of people with coronavirus disease 2019

Does A3 apply only to articles?--Launchballer 14:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Launchballer,
Yes. In general, I wouldn't tag any empty talk page for deletion unless the article/category/template/project page has been deleted or tagged for deletion and then it would be a G8. Many talk pages have been created that are blank and haven't been utilized yet and we don't go around and delete them all. Of course, this could change in the future but this is current practice. Liz Read! Talk! 14:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

GOCE March newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2020 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the March newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2019. All being well, we're planning to issue these quarterly in 2020, balancing the need to communicate widely with the avoidance of filling up talk pages. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Election results: There was little changeover in the roster of Guild Coordinators, with Miniapolis stepping down with distinction as a coordinator emeritus while Jonesey95 returned as lead coordinator. The next election is scheduled for June 2020 and all Wikipedians in good standing may participate.

January Drive: Thanks to everyone for the splendid work, completing 215 copy edits including 56 articles from the Requests page and 116 backlog articles from the target months of June to August 2019. At the conclusion of the drive there was a record low of 323 articles in the copy editing backlog. Of the 27 editors who signed up for the drive, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

February Blitz: Of the 15 editors who signed up for this one-week blitz, 13 completed at least one copy edit. A total of 32 articles were copy edited, evenly split between the twin goals of requests and the oldest articles from the copy-editing backlog. Full results are here.

March Drive: Currently underway, this event is targeting requests and backlog articles from September to November 2019. As of 18 March, the backlog stands at a record low of 253 articles and is expected to drop further as the drive progresses. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the backlog. Help set a new record and sign up now!

Progress report: As of 18 March, GOCE copyeditors have completed 161 requests in 2020 and there was a net reduction of 385 articles from the copy-editing backlog – a 60% decrease from the beginning of the year. Well done and thank you everyone!

Election reminder: It may only be March but don't forget our mid-year Election of Coordinators opens for nominations on 1 June. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Reidgreg, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist

To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Deletion request

Dear Liz, the user is globally locked, because they spammed cross-wiki. The content of this sandbox was deleted from various project (such as pt, it, fa, etc. or Wikidata). Please delete the page here too. Bencemac (talk) 07:48, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 15:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Re: 186.96.116.138

Hi, this is a follow-up message in regards to my ANI post about anonymous user 186.96.116.138. They are continuing their unsourced changes despite the warning you gave them a few days ago. See also this diff, which I just reverted. Jalen Folf (talk) 01:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I gave them a short block since they haven't engaged on their talk page and all of their edits are being reverted. Thanks for alerting me, JalenFolf. Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Jim Bartko

This is just a heads up.

I saw your edit to the article here[2]. Per WP:NOTMEMORIAL, I removed the tributes section in its entirety. I have also put the page on my watchlist....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Question- The article makes mention of a book Bartko self-published. It's only source- The book's Amazon page. Do you think this is book spam?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I commend you, WilliamJE, for following our guidelines. Regarding this source, the Amazon page is unreliable for information about Jim Bartko and it looks like you removed it as well. A mention of the book itself is okay and several of the newspaper sources mention it and the circumstances that led it to be written. Liz Read! Talk! 14:22, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Deleting categories

Why did you delete category Category:2020 disasters in the United Kingdom and left four articles without parents? I had to recreate the category just to avoid red-linked categories. Dimadick (talk) 15:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dimadick,
If you look at the log of Category:2020 disasters in the United Kingdom, you'll see it was deleted by Bbb23 because it was created by a blocked or banned editor, in this case, Netgg68. Liz Read! Talk! 19:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


response to drt1245's report of disruptive editing by user domskitect


Dear Liz, you also had deleted my earlier contribution to the page panic buying earlier today, no doubt for your own good reasons. drt1245 subsequently reported me for disruptive editing. I have posted my responses to that here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Domskitect#Response_to_Notice_of_edit_warring_and_disruptive_editing

Thank you https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Liz&action=edit

Domskitect, it is best if you respond to this complaint at the Edit warring noticeboard, not on user talk pages.
Also, please sign all of your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 14:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

A request

Could you please possibly chime in here[3] and here[4] on whether it was right to depopulate a category at CFD? Thank you....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done It's not right to depopulate categories under deletion discussions and, unfortunately, it is not uncommon. It's good to warn editors when you can find out who has emptied them out of process. Liz Read! Talk! 14:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I saw this edit of yours[5]. That category can be deleted per this CFD[6]. In fact this is the second time this same editor created a COVID people or survivors category in the last few days. I suggest any of these pages be SALTED....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Another admin deleted that page and I have protected it from recreation. Liz Read! Talk! 13:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Empty "Chile" categories

Hi Liz, you nominated a number of empty categories for deletion, e.g. Category:1810s establishments in the Captaincy General of Chile. These categories were only created (moved) recently, after Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 2#Captaincy General of Chile, but the underlying cats on the articles weren't moved with them. I don't know if the bot moved too many categories or didn't change enough articles or what, but instead of deleting these categories they should be either populated at the new name, or moved back to the old name. Thanks! Fram (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, Fram. It looks like most of the Captaincy General of Chile categories were handled properly but not all. With CSD C1 tagged categories, they sit for a week before deletion so we do have some time to figure out what the problem is. I'll ping JJMC89 whose bot handles category changes and see if he knows what happened. Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 13:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The trouble is that the nomination only covered part of the hierarchy; I have updated the templates on part of the contents, but others remain inconsistent, see Category:Establishments in Chile by year. @BrownHairedGirl: what's best to do here? Move the remainder summarily under WP:G6? – Fayenatic London 18:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, @Fram, Fayenatic london, Liz, and Fayenatic london. I will sort this out now. I was notified yesterday on my talk, but most of my day has been wasted in a storm created by two drama-mongers. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Fayenatic and BrownHairedGirl! I bow to your expertise in categories. Liz Read! Talk! 19:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The bot cannot change the categories when they are populated by a template like this. BHG, why is this one (plus two others) back at the title that the CFD moved it away from? (The category page also wasn't moved properly.) — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@JJMC89: this one? Which one? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
​Category:1810s establishments in Chile → Category:1810s establishments in the Captaincy General of Chile — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, JJMC89. It's because I screwed up the 1810s in the nom, and it was better to just fix it than to go through another nom. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
​ Ok, I just wanted to make sure everything ended up in the right place. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
No prob, JJMC89. It's good to check. Sorry if my prev reply was a bit terse; it reads a little snippy, which wasn't my intention.. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Fram, Fayenatic london, Liz, and JJMC89: I think it's all done now. Sorry that it all turned out to be so complex. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Well, I welcome your expertise, BHG. Thanks for fixing it. It looks like all the categories have been removed from Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion. Much appreciated! Liz Read! Talk! 03:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, all of you, for sorting this out! Fram (talk) 07:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl: Well done, I checked a few and they look neat. How about a few more redirects to help navigate back from e.g. Category:1810s_in_Chile? Also, the split between that and the preceding 1810s in CGC doesn't look right. – Fayenatic London 08:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@Fayenatic london: I implemented it as a new country rather than as a rename, so that means we have Category:1810s in the Captaincy General of Chile for up 1810–17, and Category:1810s in Chile for 1818 onwards.
OK, so I moved some of the contents accordingly.[7]
Yes, more redirects will help. Hows about for every existing "Captaincy General of Chile" chronology cat, I create a redirect from the same period in Chile? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
That's more work than I had in mind, but it would probably avoid future work as it would safeguard editors from using "in Chile" for the old periods that do have a category. – Fayenatic London 10:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
FYI, BHG, if you look at Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories, you'll see that there are still some Captaincy General of Chile & Chile categories listed as empty. Some actually have contents, but others are empty. Liz Read! Talk! 13:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
I think that's sorted now. Please ping me if there are any moe issues. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for answering my questions for the WikiProject Report! I really appreciate it, and I hope you also had a good time answering. Happy editing! Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 23:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Good luck with your article, Puddleglum2.0. If I could just repeat myself, you should not encourage brand new editors to be editing COVID-19 articles. It's not a good place to learn, it is very unforgiving. Edits have to be completely accurate, it's not an area where we can tolerate mistakes. Editors that are completely new to Wikipedia are not likely to have a positive experience. They should learn the practices and guidelines in quieter areas of the project where they can make mistakes and learn from them. That's my parting thought. Liz Read! Talk! 23:49, 25 March 2020 (UTC),
Thanks. I hope I didn't come of as encouraging newer editors to edit COVID articles, more just advice for those who do (as I'm sure there are some.) I can make that more clear in the intro perhaps. Do you mind if I quote part of the above (It's not a good place to learn, it is very unforgiving. Edits have to be completely accurate, it's not an area where we can tolerate mistakes. Editors that are completely new to Wikipedia are not likely to have a positive experience. They should learn the practices and guidelines in quieter areas of the project where they can make mistakes and learn from them.)?
Thanks again! Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 00:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Sure, Puddleglum2.0. It sounds like you have a good perspective on this. You can use my words but I do hope in your article you highlight editors who are part of WikiProject Medicine because they are the experts here. We are really following their lead and helping where we can. Liz Read! Talk! 00:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee and a thank you

Here's a digital cup of coffee for you! Thank you for believing in me and for your help!
StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back, StrangeloveFan101! I hope this can be a new beginning for you. I'd advise you to edit in a completely different area than you did before, at least right now. Avoid conflicts from the past. I'm sure you have a lot of different interests you can pursue...dive in! Liz Read! Talk! 17:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
This is certainly a new beginning for me. Even though I'm gonna move past the situation, I'm still gonna keep it as a learning experience so I don't make the same or similar mistakes. So, I'm definitely gonna stay away from the cesspool that is the Infobox Wars. What would be kinda funny (for me at least) is if their was a WP article on the Infobox Wars. Honestly, I'd pay to read it if it were a book. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Joe Biden

Hello Liz. I see that you removed some of the more egregious article text at Joe Biden. I don't recall having seen you at that article previously. The content about recently publicized allegations has been under discussion on talk and there are several editors, including myself, who believe that it is premature to add any of this to the article given currently availalbe sources. I have recently reverted this and I don't want to risk a 1RR violation (given that it's unclear whether this is a BLP violation for this famoous politician). I hope you'll consider removing the recently added text and encouraging editors to continue on talk or other venues to resolve the content dispute. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 19:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, SPECIFICO,
I haven't edited Joe Biden although I have removed inappropriate content at Biden family and Hunter Biden. I think these allegations have sufficient news coverage to be included in this article, like other similar allegations, but they don't need to be needless sensationalistic. Wikipedia is not the National Enquirer. And I think there is momentum behind the recent allegations and they could be a factor in the political race. It might not be a story that has been covered by the New York Times or Washington Post yet but I think that is because of the overwhelming focus on COVID-19. I think these allegations will eventually be covered by sources you respect. I will keep an eye on the article. Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
P.S. I think my removal of some of the information posted would count as a revert. Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi I was looking at this on the Joe Biden page. I think time will tell, so I think we agree on that. There's no question the allegations are being made and are being made to the press, so it's a matter of time. I just think it's leading to trouble when we have obstinate editing of the article during the talk page discussion that clearly has no current consensus for it. Thanks for your reply. SPECIFICO talk 23:43, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Well, unfortunately, the talk page discussion is very confusing. I didn't know where to put my comment and so just plopped it down at the end of a section. I wish it was more organized. Liz Read! Talk! 00:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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This really isn't a big deal

but I wanted to point out that imo Template:2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus data/WHO situation reports does not qualify for WP:R2 since it is not a redirect from the main namespace. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 05:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

It seemed like a cross-namespace redirect, from Template:2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus data/WHO situation reports to 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic cases/WHO situation reports but I guess R2 doesn't apply. I'll restore it. Liz Read! Talk! 05:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, we could definitely be better about making the documentation more user-friendly. Sorry about being a pain about this; CSD is something I personally try to construe narrowly and I happened across this only by chance. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 05:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I think it's best that you err on caution. Liz Read! Talk! 13:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for closing this and related discussions. I have not always had the best experiences with ANI, so I am pleased that this was resolved quickly. Hopefully, that'll be the end of it. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

No problem, Josh Milburn. He had concerns, he aired them, the discussion was over. Let me know if it goes any farther than it did. :And probably the majority of editors here have had negative experiences at ANI. I know I spend less time there than I once did even though it is much less mob-like than it was, say, 5 years ago. Liz Read! Talk! 13:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of "Manchester Free Library Building, Home to the Spanish Instituto Cervantes"

How can you say this duplicates "Manchester Free Library"? The latter is very short, incomplete, and does not discuss the subsequent complicated history of both the building and the institution, as my article points out at the beginning. Ahmago (talk) 19:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ahmago,
I have restored your article at Draft:Manchester Free Library Building so you can improve it and cut it down to a reasonable size. Please submit it for review at Articles for Creation before moving it to the encyclopedia. If you move it directly into the project, I think it will be tagged again for deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 19:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you

Hello Liz. Thank you for inviting me to the Teahouse! I was not aware of its existence. Statistologist (talk) 01:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Statistologist,
If it wasn't for the Teahouse, I wouldn't be an editor on Wikipedia. I was very frustrated with Wikipedia when I started editing regularly back in 2013 and I went to the Teahouse with my questions. I got sensible, patient answers which helped me not take setbacks personally. It takes quite a while to get used to working on this project, there are a lot of guidelines and policies that other editors assume you know (which you won't know). Just take it slow and stay away from "controversial" subjects until you get more experience...they are a minefield. Find some topic of interest, like a hobby or favorite TV show or movie, and see if you can improve the article. Start with small changes, like fixing typos. Soon, you can work up to writing new articles. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 03:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice! I truly appreciate it, and will try to put it into practice. Statistologist (talk) 04:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Unblock confirmation

Hi Liz,

under the condition that a renamer implements the request before the unblock, would you be fine with me asking a renamer to rename and unblock this user per WP:ROPE?

Thanks and best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh, of course, ~ ToBeFree. It was just a username block. For a TERRIBLE username! If I was a renamer, I would change the name myself and lift the block.
Sorry to be inattentive to my notifications, my mind has been elsewhere. Liz Read! Talk! 03:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Heh, agreed. Thanks and no worries! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 05:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of page - Request for reinstating page

Hi Liz, I'm very new to using Wikipedia and currently only use it to ensure work accounts are updated properly. My page on [[8]] was recently deleted. Would it be possible to have this reinstated to draft status so I can work on the content once more for review? Many thanks and much appreciated, Emma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma.smithWTH (talk • contribs) 10:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done Emma.smithWTH, Draft:SixStarCruises is restored. Liz Read! Talk! 15:19, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

That's great - thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma.smithWTH (talk • contribs) 08:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

132.145.94.169

user:132.145.94.169 is now making death threats on her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 14:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I have already notified WP:EMERGENCY about her. CLCStudent (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, CLCStudent, and I'm sorry you had to put up with that abuse. Liz Read! Talk! 15:15, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
It's fine. I am more concerned about the threats they made towards the Wikipedia office. CLCStudent (talk) 16:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Jtydog

Could you notify me when the Jtydog decision is made? Thanks. Eschoryii (talk) 09:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

I've seen the decision. Please disregard my request. Eschoryii (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Category Talk:People from Palu

Hi Liz, I'm a bit confused why Category talk:People from Palu was deleted, Category:People from Palu clearly exists but in the edit summary it was said that it was the talk page of a nonexistent category. Inter&anthro (talk) 00:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Inter&anthro,
Here's what happened. Category talk:People from Palu, Indonesia was the talk page that should have been deleted. But it was a redirect to Category talk:People from Palu. After I deleted Category:People from Palu, Indonesia, because of a CfD decision, I clicked on the talk page to delete it as well but it took me to the redirected talk page and I deleted that by mistake. I usually catch these redirects but I slipped this time.
Thank you for pointing out my error. I have restored the right talk page and deleted the one that should have been deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 06:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Tiganophyton deletion

H Hi, Liz. Id like to ask why you deleted the page Tiganophyton? Did you go through and understand the Criteria for speedy deletion? I created the redirect to the page I was currently working on. I know that you are an educated person(or probably not?), you COULD HAVE ASKED OTHER USERS FIRST to create the redirect-to page, or just NOMINATED/TAGGED the page first for deletion so that the it could still be contended. Or delicadeza says, you could have messaged first the user who created the page.. I believe that there is a talk page even on redirect pages(or you didnt know?).. Please be careful next time you delete pages. Just saying.. Jp2593 (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jp2593,
It was a broken redirect to Tiganophyton karasense. Do not create redirects to blank pages (see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G8. Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page). Broken redirects are deleted, they do not need to be nominated.
Create the target page first, and then create a redirect to it. Do not create a redirect to a nonexistent page. Feel free to create a new redirect once the target page is created. Liz Read! Talk! 17:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Empty cat heads up

Hey Liz, as a heads up you'll see a whole bunch more empty Muay Thai cats on today's report; in case you weren't already aware, as spelled out at Talk:Muay Thai#Muay Thai or muay Thai, this is a result of a misguided user attempting a manual mass category tree rename without discussion, and many of the empty ones will eventually be repopulated, so I would hod off on any CSD C1 nominations for those cats for now until the mess is cleaned up. Best as always, UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, UnitedStatesian. All I've been doing this morning has been addressing this spelling dispute. I have tagged a lot of empty muay thai categories which I did before seeing your message. It looks like other editors & admins have been reverting some of the category changes, too. I'm just trying to set everything back before this mass change. I believe there is a script that would revert all of an editor's edits but that is too blunt of an instrument for this case.
You're right, this needed to go through CFD, probably speedy rename. I don't know which spelling is correct but I do know this is not how to make these changes across hundreds of articles. Liz Read! Talk! 17:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I think you went a little overboard with the reversions. Some of Natboss's edits, like Special:Diff/952212240, also worked to subcategorise the articles by gender. I think it would have been better to leave the newly created categories and rename them later according to consensus. The subcategorisation is lost through the reversion. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Väsby IK

Hello!

You deleted this draft. I didn't really create the draft, I just moved its content to Väsby IK HK and since I moved it I stand as the creator in the "View history" tab. After I moved it I changed the redirect to a disambiguation page. After that another uses chose to pursue a real article, and it was then it was moved to draft. After that the user abandoned it and you deleted it. Instead of deletion can you perhaps restore the latest version before the disambiguation was removed?Jonteemil (talk) 05:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

And when I mean restoring it I mean at Väsby IK of course. I don't think a disambiguation page will do good in the draft namespace.Jonteemil (talk) 05:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Jonteemil,
There is a page at Väsby IK HK. Is that the same subject? A lot of these drafts get moved around a lot. Liz Read! Talk! 14:19, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Väsby IK HK was originally at Väsby IK, then I moved it. Väsby IK is the club and Väsby IK HK and Väsby IK FK are two of its sections. Someone tried to make an article of the club and it was then it was moved to draft, and then deleted as an abandoned draft. Please restore my latest version where it was still a disambiguation page.Jonteemil (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
I've restored Draft:Väsby IK. This looks like the page you were working on that I deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 14:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Once again, it wasn't I that was working on it. I just moved the page to Väsby IK HK. Anyhow, I restored the disambiguation page and moved it to mainspace. You may delete the redirect at Draft:Väsby IK. Thanks for the restoring!Jonteemil (talk) 15:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Bert Hesse

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I have been busy at work and haven't had time to do anything with the Bert Hesse page. You restored it for me in my sandbox and then deleted it again. Is there a time limit on fixing it in the sandbox? Can you restore it and let me have a week to fix it? Thank you.. I have so much to learn about Wikipedia but I am determined to become better at it.

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My page about Bert Hesse was deleted. I am new to Wikipedia. I know there was an old article that was deleted previously deleted however, mine had many references. I would like to have a chance to learn what I did wrong and resubmit it. Can you give me a copy of the page so I can put it in the place where I get feedback/help before posting it live?

Thanks for your patience with me. I want to learn how to use Wikipedia. Michelle2w (talk) 16:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC) Michelle2w

I've replied to a similar query here. ‑ Iridescent 17:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Michelle2w, it looks like Iridescent gave you a very complete response. Liz Read! Talk! 19:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Liz, if you are willing to wait till this evening Sydney time, I'll fix all the categories back to the way they were. The time estimate that BHG gave was vastly overinflated. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 21:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I've checked all the 20th-century articles with surname beginning with "A" and "B". Took me about 20 minutes, once I get going I can probably go faster. I can do this tonight. Please let me know if this is OK. Rolling back for now actually will slow me down (though not by much to be honest). - Chris.sherlock (talk) 21:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Chris, I'll hold off reverting these if that would be easier for you. It seems like you have an awful lot going on in your life to be concerned about category changes on Wikipedia but if you'd prefer to make these changes, that's fine with me. I'll check back at this time tomorrow and take care of any ones that need to be undone. Take care, Liz Read! Talk! 22:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Liz, I’m really sorry. I got through a number of article before my head nearly hit the keyboard. It was an emotional day yesterday and I was exhausted. I had to get some sleep. I’m about to recommence the reverts. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 02:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Chris, there really isn't an urgency to do this today. It is simpler to revert edits, in part or full, if there haven't been subsequent edits, that's the main reason to get to it soon. But this can get done in the next day or so. It's been a hard week. Liz Read! Talk! 03:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I've finished fixing the categories now. It's all done. Just thought you should know. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 13:56, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, Chris. Liz Read! Talk! 20:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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Vandalism

User Havsjö still vandalism on article Nguyễn dynasty and also Empire of Vietnam. Please check it and limit this user. 2601:204:E37F:FFF1:E03B:9F6D:1F64:5239 (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

This looks like a content dispute, not vandalism. Please start a discussion on the article talk page, 2601:204:E37F:FFF1:E03B:9F6D:1F64:5239. Liz Read! Talk! 18:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

A Book Without Chapters, can it be undeleted, please guide.

I, Rohitisofalmighty created the above page based on my original work (a novel). You deleted it, stating g8 violation, and I respect your action, as I saw your long esteemed experience in this field (I must be wrong somewhere, I guess). Please tell, how to rectify my mistake (I am willing to make any changes you suggest) and try to be back on Wikipedia. Thanks and regards, Rohit Sharma. Rohitisofalmighty (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rohit,
Actually, I didn't delete your article. I deleted the redirect from your sandbox to the article which, for some reason, you moved into the Wikipedia project space at Wikipedia:A Book Without Chapters. Admin CambridgeBayWeather deleted the article, seeing it as a "test page".
But I have restored the page and moved it to User:Rohitisofalmighty/sandbox. Please submit it through Articles for Creation for evaluation by an experienced editor rather than moving it into the encyclopedia as, in its present state, it will be deleted again if you do so. Liz Read! Talk! 20:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Swamp Donkey

Hello Liz. Thank you for the welcome and the helpful links. I see you killed my Swamp Donkey page. It was the first of many that was going to be part of a new topic I was going to author. Possible title would have been "The toxicity of American politics and the impact of polarizing propaganda". It was going to consist of a section on Democrats. A section on Republicans. A section on Liberals. My intention was not to attack anyone. My intention was to provide factual information for future generations. Something you are not going to find in today's media and their archives. It's understandable that a person could think this was a partisan attack being that it's incomplete. Sadly, I have to sleep, articles I am obligated to write and publish, eat, etc. The simple fact is that it is not a attack. I'm taking a honest look at all three, equally. I don't expect people to "enjoy" the information. Knowledge does not always bring joy. Knowledge and truth has no bias when it comes to emotions. If you dislike something does that make it untrue? I don't like the information anymore than you or any other. If Wikipedia is to be unbiased and accurate all factual information should be allowed. I could argue that your removal of the page is an attack on Wikipedia You have taken a partisan stance and put your personal view before the actual truth. It's a disservice to the world and an insult to the academia community. Who put you in charge of what knowledge is or is not? Curious to how many actual peer reviewed papers you have written and published. There are 2 types of truths. First is actual proven solid facts. For example, "a tree is called a tree because it is a tree","Trump is president", "I did support Obama", "America used a nuke on Japan", "we live on the planet earth", "when I was a kid, we had a party at my house. a friend of my brother used to pick on me so when he drank too much and passed out on the lawn, I urinated on his head". Second type of truth are what you feel to be true . It's based on you emotions, feelings, opinions, faith, desires. For example. "I believe in god", "I believe in satan", " the democrats are the best party", "this president sucks". Your decisions fall under the second type. Quit working with your feelings. You won't hear from me on this again. It's included in a book I'm writing and other publications. Just thought I'd help out at Wikipedia. Turns out this place is just a bunch of political hacks putting out half truths. Have a good day and thank you for your time.Deplorableme (talk) 20:38, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Deplorableme,
I think you misunderstand what Wikipedia is for. It is not for you to post your point of view & ideas of "truth", every claim has to be reliably sourced to academic or mainstream newspapers, books, journals, etc. This isn't about feelings, it's about Wikipedia policy which everyone has to follow, regardless of their personal political viewpoints. Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

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