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WikiBreak

Hi, I'm on my alternate account. I'm using it because on Friday I put my main account on WikiBreak until the 28th. I tried to edit with it on mobile view today but the WikiBreak notice still pops up and logs me out. Is an admin able to help me remove the code from my JavaScript page, or remove it themselves? Thanks. Linguist111 (away) (my main account) 19:02, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

 Done Commented out lines. But I don't think (could be wrong) it's admin only. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:30, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Re: your question for k6ka's RFA

I just Googled "Melissa Russo" and have no idea why you made k6ka think that this was a dead person as the only entry that came up was for a still very much alive WNBC reporter. --Bigpoliticsfan (talk) 05:01, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

@Bigpoliticsfan: Hi, sorry I should have clarified. By that I meant Mélissa Russo, who, along with her friend Julie Lejeune, was kidnapped by serial killer Marc Dutroux, and died while in captivity.

Happy New Year! Linguist ^Moi?Moi. 10:46, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Here you are...

Hey,

Wikipedia:WikiProject Soap Operas#Storyline sourcing.

Thanks, Grangehilllover (talk) 22:57, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

PantherLoop

Sorry about the links!!! PantherLoop (talk) 17:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

haha

thanks - blocked sock comment- gave it self away like a duck with very loud quacks ... JarrahTree 16:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Indeed. No problem, happy to help! Linguist ^Moi?Moi. 16:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

PantherLoop

I am very sorry and I will never do this again but this is the right sequence of the elimination but ok I agree with it and will leave it in the future and only write meaningful and only the right again excuse. PantherLoop (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

A message from AlexVulovic

Why did you mark my page for spedy deletion before i even finished it???? AlexVulovic (talk) 20:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Mario Leone Bralic

Hey, I don't really see where Mario Leone Bralic is advertising at all. This really fits more of a CSD A7. The article really just talks about the subject and what he does. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.  {MordeKyle}  ☢ 20:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@AlexVulovic and MordeKyle: To me the page looks very much like spam. Mario defines his life's journey through his three great passions – his passion for fine art photography and film making, his passion for sea travel as captain and scientist, and his passion for observing and honouring the differences amongst peoples., In the last ten years, Mario has founded Oasis - a group of like-minded individuals, involved in ecological restoration and committed to conservation. They are dedicated to the promotion and realization of sustainable development programmes, for the purposes of protecting the planet's ecosystems and repairing ecological damage throughout the world. He lives mostly on the Swahili coast of eastern Africa and spends his time, energy and resources on humanitarian projects worldwide, helping those less fortunate then himself, whose sheer survival often depends on the very little that Mario has to offer. – this is promotional in tone. Linguist ^Moi?Moi. 20:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I get what you are saying, but this is really no different that any biographical article on Wikipedia.  {MordeKyle}  ☢ 20:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Respectfully I have to disagree. Pages written in this tone are usually speedily deleted as spam. Linguist ^Moi?Moi. 20:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

First of all, page is created 5 minutes ago, it cant look like anything yet. Tone of the article is artistic because it is about artist, great photograper and newly promoted Canon ambassador. Its not near finished, just started. Third, tone of the article cant be judged objectivly, so that is your subjective opinion. And finally, I need 2 days to finish it with all the links and references and then you can judge. --AlexVulovic (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

First of all, page is created 5 minutes ago, it cant look like anything yet. – the page was written in a promotional tone.

Tone of the article is artistic because it is about artist, great photograper and newly promoted Canon ambassador. – See WP:TONE.

Third, tone of the article cant be judged objectivly, so that is your subjective opinion. – See above.

And finally, I need 2 days to finish it with all the links and references and then you can judge. – If you want the article to be kept, I recommend you remove the text from the article that I mentioned in my first reply. Linguist ^Moi?Moi. 21:03, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Elisabeth Brichet case

Yesterday I created Elisabeth Brichet case (my fourth creation so far); could someone please review/curate it? Thanks. Linguist ^Moi?Moi. 01:39, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I've been doing} 07:37, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination

A tag has been placed on User talk:I have an unhealthy obsession for trolling Sro23 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Supreme Genghis Khan

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Reply from CJojoC

Hello. I removed the content from Lay (entertainer) because I created a discography page for him Lay Discography. Next time, I will explain the changes in detail. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CJojoC (talk • contribs) 15:51, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

A message from DDKay

Hello, I have some questions. I dont understand why someone delete the Call out orders in every cycle from Germany's next Topmodel? I think its better to leave them there, because these are important infomations and the same is for Austrias next Topmodel. And why is Ukraines next Topmodel and some other Topmodel Shows delete and not in the list of the Topmodel Franchise? They are a part of that, too. I am a little bit sad, that so many informations are deleted in the past months and i hope we find a solution to get them back. Greetings from Germany — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 15:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@DDKay: Hi, DDKay, nice to see you again. I deleted the call-out order tables per this policy; as GNTM and AustNTM do not follow ANTM's "call-out order" format, the actual call-out order is irrelevant, and should not be included, as it counts as an indiscriminate collection of information. Now, as a matter of fact, I have added an appropriate results table to Germany's first cycle's article, and I'm aiming to have one for all eleven cycles soon; in fact, I've nearly finished doing cycle 10's. As for Supermodel po-ukrainsky, I haven't found a reliable source which says the show is a licensed Top Model adaptation (see this discussion). Linguist^talk|contribs 15:34, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer, but we have thos call out orders for over 10 years and now they have to go? Ive looked every time in it to see which constant goes in which moment (sorry, english isn't my mother language and sometimes i have problems to find the right words). Even if the call out of the girls are random, in the finale it isnt random the last finalest gets call from best to worst in the final. But at least you make an table like the one in cycle 1. do you want to do it for every cycle? That would be better than nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 15:45, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2) we have thos call out orders for over 10 years and now they have to go? – WP:UNCHALLENGED

in the finale it isnt random the last finalest gets call from best to worst in the final – per what source?

do you want to do it for every cycle? That would be better than nothing. – Yes, I'm planning to make a table for every cycle's article. It's taking a long time, but I'm working on it. Linguist^talk|contribs 15:53, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

In the final Heidi call forward from best to worst, exept last year. In one final desicion for place 5 or 4, im not sure anymore, the finalist have to open something. But all the other desicions are from best to worst in the final. Cant find a source, but it was said in the TV. Im not 100% sure too for the complete call out order. Fred was called as the first one who gets eliminated, because she was the worst out of the Girls. But if i want to google for sources i cant find anything to get an answer. It was only said on tv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 16:06, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Im not 100% sure too for the complete call out order. Fred was called as the first one who gets eliminated, because she was the worst out of the Girls. – We've discussed this several times already. Even now I understand German a bit better, and still, nothing said on the show supports what you've said about the call-out order. As for the finale thing, I'll look into it, and if it is true, I'll add it to the tables. Linguist^talk|contribs 16:28, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

It wasnt said in the show. It was said in an interview, after the episode where Fred was eliminated. They talked with Michalsky and asked him, because Fred was in his Team. Thats why some girls get eliminated immediately and some girls have to go back and wait for the desicion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 16:31, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Still, that's no credible evidence that the call-out order is reflective of placement. Linguist^talk|contribs 17:04, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

And why did you do that to Germany, Austria and Denmark and not to Serbia? Serbia have the same Call out order — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 18:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

I didn't know about Serbia. Remember that you can be bold and fix things yourself. Linguist^talk|contribs 19:17, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes but if i do something, someone makes it like it was before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 19:20, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, if that happens, remember you can offer your opinion on the article's talk page and try to reach consensus with the editor who challenges your edit (WP:BRD). Linguist^talk|contribs 19:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

[1] ----> here they called Saskia as the second out.

[2] ----> and everywhere they write about the girls in the order they eliminated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 19:37, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Those articles merely state what happened in the episode. Their writing about the order still establishes nothing. From now on, I'd like you to refrain from discussing these call-out orders with me. Linguist^talk|contribs 19:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Mongolia's Next Top Model

Hey, i found out that people in Mongolias dont use and know family names. I write an info under the table with the constants about that. And i think Anu-Jin, Bat-Oyun and Nomin-Erdene where write with an hyphen in there names ---> [3] On this site you can see the russian names of the girls and in russian form there where write with an hyphen. And the girls have in there russian names a letter with point infront of the name. For example Sarangerel is written Т.Сарангэрэл in russian. In german or english T.Sarangerel. This letter is from the Father i think. In Mongolia the names have two components, the real name and the name of the father. [4] ----> you can read it here, but its in german, i hope you can read it — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 09:41, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I know that. I didn't think we needed to include it in the article though. Linguist^talk|contribs 09:52, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

@DDKay: Just a little note: if you want to view the call-out tables you can look through the history of the articles, where all the edits are archived. Also, since your addition of the "no family names" statement is being challenged, I'd advise you not to add it again but rather discuss it on Talk:Mongolia's Next Top Model (cycle 1), so you don't get involved in an edit war. Linguist111 (away) (my main account) 10:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Mongolia's Next Top Model (cycle 1) ---> is that okay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 10:15, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes. I'll reply in a while. Linguist111 (away) (my main account) 10:46, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Why is it deleted now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 10:48, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean? Linguist111 (away) (my main account) 10:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Ive changed the names how i discribed it and someone make it like it was before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 11:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Germany's next Topmodel

Hey, i dont get this edit summary. Can you explain me this? And there are 31 and not 30 Models at Germany's next Topmodel cycle 12. You forgot Anh. And this are only the Semifinalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 21:09, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@DDKay:

Hey, i dont get this edit summary. Can you explain me this? – See WP:ES, assuming you mean the edit summary notice I left you.

And there are 31 and not 30 Models at Germany's next Topmodel cycle 12. You forgot Anh. And this are only the Semifinalist. – I haven't been following that article, but remember, you can be bold and fix it yourself.

Two more things: please remember to sign your talk page messages with 4 tildes when you reply to an existing discussion (like this: ~~~~), and click the link that says "Start a new talk topic / Démarrer une nouvelle discussion / Ein neues Thema starten" in the grey box at the top of the page when you want to start a new section on my talk page. Thank you. Linguist^talk|contribs 21:17, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Re-adding welcome templates

I noticed you're repeatedly adding welcome templates to User talk:86.174.63.180, when the user has said that they don't want it on their page. Since it's their talk page, why keep putting it back? I don't think I've seen an edit war on a talk page before. Mortee (talk) 15:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Mortee: They're a block-evading sock, so they have no right to edit their page (WP:EVASION). Linguist^talk|contribs 15:32, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't [edit: see] the benefit of insisting that the template remain. It'll only wind them up without improving the encylopedia itself. Still, it equally doesn't matter to me if you do keep putting it back. I only saw because it's filling up recent changes. Mortee (talk) 15:38, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Generally, you should just leave blocked users alone. There's no point to edit warring with them over harmless content on their talk page. If 86.174.63.180 wants to remove a welcome message, just let him/her. There are very few things editors can't remove from their own talk page – mostly just declined unblock requests. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:41, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Then if they're so awful an editor, why are you insistent on welcoming them?

There are things, such as block notices, that have to stay in place. This is not one of those things. Please stop. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:43, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I wasn't "insistent on welcoming them". They are a sock puppet of an IP that was blocked at the time. Users are not allowed to edit while blocked. WP:EVASION makes it clear that anyone is free to revert edits made by block-evading editors. Linguist^talk|contribs 16:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Editors are allowed to edit their talk pages whilst blocked.

This is why we have additional rules for the handful of things they're not allowed to edit (block notices), and an additional distinct level of blocking where their talk page access is revoked, in addition.

This had just turned into ping-pong reverts, and they're pretty dull. So whatever it was, that wasn't working (and so best stop doing that). If their talk page editing was really disruptive (which generally means personal abuse), then an admin can pull their talk: access too. As it was though, it's just not good to poke angry blocked people with any sort of stick, unless it really has to be done. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I understand what you say, and that editors are allowed to edit their talk pages while blocked per WP:BLANKING, but in this case, an IP was blocked and was using the 86.174.63.180 IP to evade that block, and continued to use the sock IP to edit their talk page after that sock IP was blocked. Isn't that prohibited per WP:EVASION? Linguist^talk|contribs 17:22, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

• I can't see this specifically covered at WP:EVASION. I have never seen it enforced in this way before. Where I've seen similar, the general behaviour has been to treat all the talk pages of an exposed sock equally as their talk space, unless deliberately restricted later (often a non-disruptive sock might be permitted to carry on, so long as they agree to abandon all but one).
• Ping-pong reverts are ridiculous. Something wasn't working, so try something else.
• If it's a problem, get talk: page access pulled. Or if it isn't, don't beat them up for making use of it. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:55, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Sock templates

Linguist, I agree with the others, but that's not why I came here. On a related issue, please don't put sock templates on user pages (SuperSonicTailsKnuckles1058). That's the province of the blocking administrator or an SPI clerk. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:15, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Bbb23: I didn't add the tag. Sro23 did. The sockpuppet blanked it, Sro reverted it, the sock reverted, I reverted the sock. I merely edited the tag to say the user was blocked. Linguist^talk|contribs 16:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

You shouldn't have reverted and you shouldn't have edited it. What Sro23 did initially was unfortunately compliant with practice. I may some day try to remove the "expressed a concern" permutation, but I haven't tackled it yet. To use a technical term, I think it's stupid. However, once the user removed what Sro23 did, Sro23 was absolutely wrong to revert. Nonetheless, the user reverted again, leaving the page blank. That was when I came in and CU-blocked the user without putting a tag on their page. Whatever Sro23 had done before the block, you should have left it alone. As an aside, if the user were going to be tagged, it wouldn't have been as "suspected".--Bbb23 (talk) 16:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm confused. What Sro23 did initially was unfortunately compliant with practice. – so, you're saying it's not okay for a non-admin to add {{sock|some user|blocked}}, but it is okay to add {{sock|some user}}? How does that follow? The only difference between them is that one says the suspected sock has been blocked and the other, less efficiently, doesn't. However, once the user removed what Sro23 did, Sro23 was absolutely wrong to revert. – surely the sock was the one who had no right to remove the tag? The rules say that blocked users may not use sock puppets to make edits, and that any edit made by someone using a sock can be reverted without regards to 3RR. Then you come along and say that that's all wrong (and rollbacked me again after I explicitly asked you not to a while back). I'm lost. Linguist^talk|contribs 16:55, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

When I made this edit, I'm not going to lie, I wasn't really thinking. Too quick on the rollback of all that user's edits, which isn't a good idea, especially since the user hadn't been blocked as a sock at the time. I know the rules say 'any edit made by someone using a sock can be reverted without regards to 3RR', but just because you can revert an edit, doesn't mean you should. I know you're acting in good faith, but you don't need to take this policy so literally. Obviously when socks fix typos, undo vandalism, and make harmless edits to their own userspace like this and this, they shouldn't be reverted, just for the sake of reverting.

Tagging socks I've always been very iffy about as well. I guess only administrators and those on the SPI team are supposed to tag (after the sockpuppet has been blocked?). It's all confusing. Sro23 (talk) 17:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Wow. You folk want a simple rule? Don't use sock templates.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:16, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

There is no consensus (see Template_talk:Sockpuppet#.22An_editor_has_expressed_a_concern....22) for Bbb23's "only admins can use this template" viewpoint. They may be right, maybe that's how we ought to be working. But at present there is no such agreement, and as such it is wrong to complain of any editor who is using it in such a way. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

A recent COi templating

This was unnecessary, and also bites a newcomer. I'm sure you've reviewed it already, but when you have a moment please have another look at WP:USERPAGE for why this template was not needed and the speedy deletion request declined. -- Euryalus (talk) 19:33, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm about to go on WikiBreak, so I'll just keep this short. Sorry about the speedy tagging, it probably was overkill. I saw the external links they posted and the one to their personal blog and thought that violated WP:NOTWEBHOST. Second, their username popped up at WP:UAA/B. It was false positive, but I looked up the username to see if it was a famous person and the results came up with a politician involved in elections who had a blog, and the user was editing pages about these elections and also the blog link in their userpage matched that in the results, so I left the COI message. Linguist^talk|contribs 19:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

WikiBreak

Could an admin please remove the WikiBreak stuff from my commons.js page? I'm on mobile view at the moment and would like to end it early. Thank you. Linguist^talk|contribs 19:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Should be done, give it a try. -- Euryalus (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Works, thank you! Linguist^talk|contribs 19:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Germany's Next Top Model

Hi Linguist111. I saw (in recent changes again) that you undid an IP user's edits adding 'call-out order' information to pages like Germany's Next Topmodel (cycle 11) (the same for 11 seasons). I feel sorry for that new user that what looks like a lot of hard work has been dismissed so summarily. You cited WP:IINFO but I think this could use some more justification. This isn't random information, it's part of the detail of the series. Similar sections exist for plenty of other series (e.g. Hell's Kitchen, RuPaul's Drag Race) so this seems like standard practice. Could you talk to the IP user on their talk page about why you think the information is inappropriate, or add messages to the talk pages of the articles? It would be a shame to lose what seems like a highly-motivated new editor this way. If the tables are genuinely inappropriate for the encyclopedia then much broader changes are needed and an RfC might be the way to go. Mortee (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mortee:  Done. Left a message on the IP's talk page. Linguist^talk|contribs 21:02, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Looking again I see you did replace the information they'd added with a table in a different format but with a lot of the same information. I'm sorry I didn't check that detail before messaging you; I saw the undo's and prioritized getting in touch. Thanks again. Mortee (talk) 21:05, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

PantherLoop

Sandbox? What shoud that? Someone has made the paragraph Contestans on America's Next Top Model 23 totally gone and I just made it back. And now you tell me I should leave it, although I only wanted to help. NOT WITH ME. Complain with someone else than with me. OK. I hope this does not happen again when I try to HELP !!! PantherLoop (talk) 15:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Linguist is on a temporary wiki break PantherLoop and won't be responding to threads on his page for a week or two. In the mean time, I'll update you quickly on what has happened. When Linguist reverts somebody through Twinkle it automatically prompts him to leave a message/warning on the editor in question's user talk page. Just so we're clear, Linguist has undone their reversion of your edits here. That is, your edits have been reinstated. You may safely ignore the template on your talk page. I gather that; Deutsch ist dein mutterspracht? Ich spreche nur ein kleines bisschen Deutsch, aber, Linguist's warnung ist annulieren und deine beitrage restauriert. I'm trying to say the warning is annulled and your edits restored. I needed an English-Deutsch dictionary for a few words of that, I hope that's close enough and you can understand what I'm saying. I'm only trying to explain in German because your English, which is far superior to my German, is fractured and a little difficult to parse. Mr rnddude (talk) 16:03, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@PantherLoop and Mr rnddude: Hi, thanks for the comments. I just have one last comment to make. There's been a little misunderstanding. Here, I made a mistake while reverting PantherLoop's edits; one of the edits was constructive [5] but the other wasn't [6] (there they made the colspan of one cell 45 cells long, while only around 12 cells long would have been needed), and I mistakenly reverted both edits. I self-reverted before going back to undo the unconstructive one [7]. Linguist^talk|contribs 19:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... that is a bit unusaual. I didn't notice earlier because it only rendered the ninth column as empty. I imagine the issue would have arisen at some point while the table was being filled in. I.e. a new column even after all the episodes were completed. I can't tell why that was done, whether accidental or intentional, or what the intended effect was meant to be. Mr rnddude (talk) 22:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

CSD criteria

Hi. Necessary to get a wider consensus for this before enacting. There's some useful commentary on possible new CSD criteria at the top of the talkpage; I do wonder if this one might fall foul of #3. But that's a matter for the consensus discussion. -- Euryalus (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Germany's Next Topmodel

Hello there! I saw your result table, which you created for the GNTM series. I decided to make one as well for cycle 12, BUT I am unsure whether challenge wins and bookings should be considered for the result table, depicting a more detailed performance of the model throughout the competition, or is it too much, unnecessary? Vivid17 (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Vivid17: Hi, thanks for your contributions to the Top Model articles. I don't see any point in including the challenge wins and bookings etc. The call-out order tables for all the America's Next Top Model etc. cycles don't include challenges, and I think it's best we keep tables concise, and not overload them with detail. Nice to talk to you! Linguist^talk|contribs 20:17, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

I notice my style of RfA questions has been picked up by somebody else :-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:39, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Haha, I remembered your John Le Mesurier question on K6ka's RfA. I had thought of the Donald Trump photo question a while back and wanted to ask it at the next RfA where appropriate. I didn't want it to be similar to yours, but I did end up stealing your idea a little. Sorry for being a copycat :p Linguist^talk|contribs 18:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

David Walker (quarterback)

I have a favor I hate to ask you. (And if the answer is "no, go away," that's perfectly understandable.) But could you go through the giant thread on my talk and add any contributions you think would help? At this point, User talk:SECGirl and I are just launching tirades back and forth and we badly need a third opinion. CityOfSilver 01:46, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

A message from Spielberg

To respond that fast there must be software on watch. (Forgive me for a naive question - as you may see from my "contributions" I tend to just fix typos/ grammar etc.)

Spielberg (talk) 20:49, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@Spielberg: Hi! I was watching recent changes (which gives you a list of all changes made to all pages in the last seconds), looking for vandalism to revert. Doing so allows you to spot vandalism very quickly, as you said. Linguist^talk|contribs 12:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Interesting - so you and not software then. If and when I feel like doing my bit watching over recent changes how do you (after a few reversions/ edit "battle") switch off the vandiliser's ability to edit or does that happen automatically after a set number of edits from a new user? Spielberg (talk) 20:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

About the "software" part - that is partly true, but not directly. I don't use any special software, but instead I use Wikipedia's anti-vandalism tool, Twinkle. I use it to undo an edit or string of edits by a vandal to a page in one click. For example, if the most recent edit to a page was an act of vandalism made by Example, following an edit or edits by Example 2, I could click on a button which says [rollback (VANDAL)] (or [vandalism]), and the article would instantly be restored to the revision before Example's edit, with an automatic edit summary of Reverted 1 edit by Example (talk) to last revision by Example 2. (using Twinkle). The same would apply no matter how many edits Example had made after Example 2's last edit, if the former had made the most recent edit to the page (e.g. if there were 10 consecutive edits, edit summary would be Reverted 10 edits by Example (talk) to last revision by Example 2. (using Twinkle)). After reverting a user's edits, I would warn them by placing a warning template on their user talk page (usually {{Uw-vandalism1}}). If they vandalised again, I would repeat my Twinkle revert and place {{Uw-vandalism2}}, followed by {{Uw-vandalism3}} and then {{Uw-vandalism4}}. If the first act of vandalism was particularly severe, I would give them an only warning with {{Uw-vandalism4im}}. If the user vandalised after being given the Uw-vandalism4 or Uw-vandalism4im warning, I would, using another Twinkle feature, report them to WP:AIV for vandalising after their final or only warning. If an administrator believes the vandalism warrants a block, they will block the user (I am not an administrator, so I don't have the ability to block users). Linguist^talk|contribs 22:20, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Outline of knowledge? Outline of the Bible?

The first doesn't actually outline knowledge itself. Well, it does, but only in a section.

The second isn't an outline of the Bible itself. And so it was changed in an AfD. I further changed it to "about" to reduce wordiness.

"Outline of" also puns a number of subjects, as in a tracing of shape, etc.

The physical outline of Mars is a circle. While for Italy, it is a boot. I thought it might be a good idea to remove the ambiguity (puns) from titles like that.

Thoughts?

And since we're on the subject of outlines, which are your favorites? The Transhumanist 01:03, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: Hi, sorry to be a pain, I meant to discuss this with you but it was around midnight when I moved the pages and I was so tired I just logged out. I don't believe that "outline about" is grammatically correct, but I understand your thinking. Feel free to move the pages back to your preferred titles in the mean time. I think there may be a more grammatically correct alternative but I'm not sure what that might be at the moment. Linguist^talk|contribs 15:19, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

@JohnBlackburne: Linguist, no problema. Thank you for discussing, per WP:BRD. By the way, another editor has agreed with you on the grammar issue. I believe consensus will probably go with the familiar form on this one: "Outline of". Which is ironic, considering the amount of trouble it took to change them to that name form in the first place. On the bright side, it's great to see editors coming to the defense of the outlines. Since "Outline about" is not an option, I prefer "Outline of" to all other alternatives, and throw in my support to keep those names -- except for "Outline of the Bible", for obvious reasons. Thank you for jolting me back into reality. If I can ever be of service, just let me know. Sincerely, The Transhumanist 01:08, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

P.S.: You wouldn't happen to be a programmer, would you? If so, what languages? —TT

I have a question for you guys

@JohnBlackburne: Linguist, I was reverting the ones you missed, and came to Outline about Wikipedia.

I was about to rename it back to Outline of Wikipedia, when it occurred to me, that it has the same problem as the title "Outline of the Bible". (See AfD-turned-rename-discussion). (I didn't think of "Outline about the Bible", until after the AfD was over. Figured it was less wordy, and losing the hyphen also seemed like a good idea.)

Those articles don't actually outline those works, like Outline of Knowledge does.

What should be done with Outline about Wikipedia?

Looking forward to your replies. The Transhumanist 01:53, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

It should be moved back to the name determined by the AfD. If consensus has been arrived in such a discussion that should be respected. Further moves are definitely contentious, per WP:RM#CM, and so should not be done without a formal RM and discussion. Unilaterally moving it so soon after a discussion which you are aware of as you participated in it might be seen as disruptive.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 02:29, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

"Overview of..."?

@The Transhumanist: I was just thinking... what about "Overview of..."? Linguist^talk|contribs 17:08, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. Though one of the definitions of the term "Outline" is a type of list. "Overview" describes all regular articles on Wikipedia. They are all overviews of their respective subjects. How does this page differ from those? The Transhumanist 20:42, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I have read your messages above, unfortunately I can't reply to them just yet, but I will try to do so soon. Linguist^talk|contribs 12:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

No worries. Sounds like you're busy IRL (in real life). Me too. The rest of my week is already shot. I'll be lucky if I can get on WP for even an hour per day. The following week I should have more time. I look forward to your replies, whenever you can make them. Cheers. The Transhumanist 06:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Lol

Didn't see the above ANI thread . Adam9007 (talk) 00:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

DrStrauss

Requested a block on himself, and was blocked. I've never seen that before. The Transhumanist 07:52, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: Some admins volunteer to give users those types of self-requested blocks (see this). If you don't know already, there is an automated self-blocking function that a user can activate to prevent themselves from logging in without an administrator block, called a WikiBreak; however some users prefer to request blocks from admins instead, because you can still edit with mobile view when your account is on WikiBreak. Sorry I haven't gotten round to thoroughly reading your computer-programming questions yet, I will try to answer them today when I get back from my doctor's appointment. Linguist^talk|contribs 09:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Are you a programmer?

No, I'm not a programmer (but maybe I should be one). Just to let you know, I've moved the Bible outline title to title agreed on at the AfD; if you disagree with that title I'll be willing to discuss it with you on the article's talk page. I do think that "Outline of Wikipedia" would be better than "Outline about Wikipedia", but if we're still stuck, then perhaps we could file an RfC at the outlines' page or something. Thanks! Linguist^talk|contribs 12:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

The article's talk page would be more appropriate, as the issue pertains to a specific case. No big deal. I've reverted it. But I've pinged you on another related discussion. The Transhumanist 20:42, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Now, on to something much more interesting...

Would you like to start?

I started dabbling with JavaScript a few months ago. I'm still a newbie, for sure. I've been trying to maintain the discipline to record everything I learn as I go, in case I forget anything, and to make it easy for others to follow along, if they are interested.

So as I study, I work on the Draft:Outline of JavaScript.

As I program, I include plenty of comments in the scripts I write, and keep extensive notes on their talk pages, explaining every piece of the script.

I'm getting my feet wet with two scripts, both of which I've been having a blast developing...

User:The Transhumanist/anno.js

This one changes the view of outlines (and other lists, including embedded lists).

It makes the descriptions in list entries disappear, and reappear, with the push of a hotkey. It also works by menu item in the tools menu.

There's a problem I'm stuck on. It's a design flaw or bug. The location of the text the user is looking at changes when text is removed from article content above it. So, I'm trying to figure out how to set the location of the viewport to what the user was looking at, so he isn't jolted away unexpectedly.

Fixing this would also make the program much more useful, as you could read a bare list, and then when you need more info, just push the button, and it magically appears. Then push the button again, to resume browsing the crisp clean bare list.

With respect to the annotations it hides, it currently only recognizes those separated from the entry body by an en dash (the format used extensively in outlines). Eventually, it will recognize all list entry annotation formats, and will even be able to correct formatting errors in them.

User:The Transhumanist/OLUtils.js

This script will hopefully grow into a set of utilities (in a way similar to how Twinkle is a set) that work on outlines (and lists/articles in general).

(Eventually, anno will be merged into it.)

Currently, I'm working on the script's first feature: a red link stripper.

So, I found a script that makes red links unlinked, and which deletes red category links. It said it actually edits the article for you!

But for outlines, besides those abilities, I need to strip entries that have red links in them. So I forked the script so I could add that feature.

But, when I installed the script, it didn't work at all on my computer.

WTF!

It was a weird glitch that made it work on the other guy's computer.

As I messed with it, it started working on my computer for no apparent reason, but only some of the time.

What a weird problem.

It took me days to fix it, just so it worked normally.

Which is where I am now. The starting point!

I'm currently writing the function for stripping red entries.

When it is done, I'll be able to create an outline (of a city, for example) using a standard template (via substitution). The city outline generating template will have every conceivable article title that might include a city name. For a particular city, that means most of the links will be red. And it is very tedious and time consuming to remove redlinked entries manually.

And so, with the script I will be able to clean up a new red-choked outline, and get it closer to being ready to move from draft space to article space.

Eventually, it will evolve into an AI project, so that it will be able to fill in the rest of the missing entries automatically. It would just go out and find them, and insert them in the appropriate locations in the outline. But that's way down the road, I think. It may require another programming language (Python?), and deep learning libraries, to do that.

Programming

In both cases above, I found existing scripts and forked them, to change them to do something new.

It was easier than starting from scratch.

So, I was wondering if you would be interested in learning JavaScript. We could form a WikiProject, or something, and collaborate on some scripts and the support materials on Wikipedia. Two heads are better than one.

I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 20:42, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I've now taken time to read your questions about computer programming. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to help you with your scripting, at least not the ones you are developing, as I'm really not up to scratch with Wikipedia's more complicated script syntax. I would, however, be interested in starting a WikiProject with you. Wikipedia:WikiProject JavaScript, perhaps? Linguist^talk|contribs 16:10, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Cool. WikiProject JavaScript would be great. Once we get up to speed, maybe we can include managing the library (lists) of user scripts, such as gathering the missing ones (maybe a script will work for this), and organizing the lists. With respect to writing scripts, I don't think I've even scratched the surface of Wikipedia's syntax. (The most useful stuff seems to be in MediaWiki's API, some of which we see in the URLs all the time). So far, I've relied mostly on whatever is already there in the scripts I fork. Or I cheat, and ask over at WP:VPT.  :) My suggestion is to think of a capability or two that you want your user account to be able to do, and then we can start a script on that/those. Working on a script, any script, helps put the writing about scripting into context.

Would you like to do the honors of creating the WikiProject page?

By the way, what should the WikiProject's first project be? Building the Index of JavaScript articles? The Transhumanist 16:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Project created at Wikipedia:WikiProject JavaScript. You can make a start on filling everything in if you wish, while I create the template. I must say I'm not too familiar with JavaScript, so I'll just go by what you're saying. So I'd say yes, let's do an index of JavaScript articles :) Linguist^talk|contribs 16:54, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

March 2017

Hello, i didn't do anything at Germanys Next Topmodel, expect to make the dates in two rows, because the table looks squeeze and Gntm have so many constants. I only make the table more clearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 13:46, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, for that on Vietnams next Topmodel. It was no intention of me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDKay (talk • contribs) 14:47, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

@DDKay: Over a long period of time you have been changing the format of date on a number of pages. This does constitute edit warring. If you disagree with the dates being in their current format, please offer your reasons why at Talk:Germany's Next Topmodel. Linguist111 (away) (my main account) 14:49, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Cheryl Tweedy

Hey, don't worry about it. I comprehend. Thanks for your kind message on my talk page. It's good to know that not all Wikipedia editors are Jackass. In future if I edit, I'll include a citation. :) --Princessruby (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Scandinavia's Next Top Model

Hello, Linguist111,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Scandinavia's Next Top Model should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scandinavia's Next Top Model .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks,

Eddie Blick (talk) 18:18, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

PantherLoop

Hi, I just wanted to address that I find it a bit weird that at Supermodel-po ukrainiski season 1 is even though it is season 4 is. And I wonder why is that so? I hope you can explain it to me. PantherLoop (talk) 20:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

A CHALLENGE!

These usernames come before you while you're patrolling the new user logs. What action do you take??! These won't be easy.... ;-)

• Donald James Drumf
• Winterysteppe1
• Justin Bieber's best friend ever!
• DavidAtMicrosoft
• Pounding, Richard

Have fun! AND NO HELPING!!! ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:02, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Ooh, those are tricky! Right, here goes:

• Donald James Drumf / Drumf is old German for Trump, J is Donald Trump's middle initial. I wouldn't say it violates WP:MISLEADNAME, largely due to "James" instead of "John". If it was "Donald John Drumf" I'd report to UAA and recommend a {{uw-ublock}}. If anything it's a borderline violation. Would keep an eye out for disruptive edits, especially to the Donald Trump article, as editing that article would be an aggravating circumstance, but first I'd discuss with the user to give them an opportunity to explain their username, and if that fails I could take it to RFCN. Not a blatant violation of the username policy. Please discuss this with the user first, and consider opening a community discussion at Requests for comment/User names if they disagree with your concerns.

• Winterysteppe1 / Tricky one. Would be a bit more obvious if it was e.g. "Tikeem cumberbatch uttp tcgp own1". I don't remember Winterysteppe as an egregious troll, so that's another (minor) extenuating circumstance. If the editing pattern is similar or identical to the sockmaster, {{sockblock}}. Otherwise, it would be better to let the user know their username is too similar to another user's. Not a blatant violation of the username policy, but it's worth keeping an eye on their edits.

• Justin Bieber's best friend ever! / Wouldn't say it's libellous, like "Justin Bieber's boyfriend". Sounds like a Justin Bieber fan. Would keep an eye out for POV editing. Not a blatant violation of the username policy, but it's worth keeping an eye on their edits.

• DavidAtMicrosoft / Microsoft is a big company, so there's a chance that "David" could be a notable person, but quick Google search shows a number of people named David work for Microsoft, and David is a very common name, so it could be anybody. Not a violation of the username policy. Real names are permitted except when they imply that the editor is a specific living person they are not. Consider filing a report at the conflict of interest noticeboard.

• Pounding, Richard / "Pounding" is slang for sex, "Richard" = "Dick". If they committed any sexually inappropriate vandalism, {{uw-vaublock}}. "Richard Pounding" is a plausible real name, however. Wait until the user edits.

Thanks for the reply. Let me know if you have any questions. :) Linguist^talk|contribs 12:07, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

You have the gist of it, yeah...

• Donald James Drumf - Not a UPOL in itself, alone. But worth watching the account's edits.
• Winterysteppe1 - See this SPI. He was a user who made a mistake, got blocked, then started socking, then became a sock troll for awhile. This username, as above, is not a UPOL in itself. But, if you recognize or suspect sock puppetry (which in this case... yeah probably), open an SPI.
• Justin Bieber's best friend ever! - Same as the first username. Not a UPOL; watch edits just in case.
• DavidAtMicrosoft - This is allowed.
• Pounding, Richard - You obviously nailed that one. No further explanation needed. ;-)

Not a bad job ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:12, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Echoing Oshwah on the WS username. I would have probably taken more action re. the Donald James Drumpf one, but I may need a lesson or two in WP:AGF. Good job, by the way :-) Patient Zero^talk 13:19, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both! :D Linguist^talk|contribs 13:25, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

cheryl project

Hi, I'll do what I can but I won't sign myself up as I'm not sure how much I'll be able to commit to the project. ArturSik (talk) 22:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

That's fine. The smallest contributions to any of the articles here are good enough. Just keep doing what you have been doing to improve the articles :) Linguist^talk|contribs 23:13, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

PROD

I've explained the error of your PROD removals on my talk page. Please ensure any future removals are correctly performed in future. Nick (talk) 12:15, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. Linguist^talk|contribs 12:21, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Talkback

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It's at it again

Do you know the user RealityTV whatever you call it. Well he or she is at it again revert my edits and trying to start in edit war. First off, I was expanding the new season of Ink Master until RealityTV revert it cause it looks nothing like the previous seasons. I tried to warn him/her that seasons 1 and 2 have been expanded and updated but he/she didn't listen.107.77.216.128 (talk) 02:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Winston Moseley

See new discussion Talk:Winston Moseley#Categorization. Thanks. General Ization ^Talk 22:35, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Please do not revert administrative decisions by other users at AfD

Hi there. I noticed you undid a relist of mine and closed an AFD as no consensus without consulting me first. Please don't do that. While non-admins are allowed to close certain AFDs, their actions cannot be judged differently than those of other admins; your actions as such constitute wheel-warring and have been reverted. For the future, please remember that AFDs without any comments by other users should usually not be closed as "no consensus" but as expired PRODs per WP:SOFTDELETE and thus are outside the scope of allowed non-admin closures. Regards SoWhy 12:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Yeah, sorry, I just realised I'd made a mistake with the AfDs I closed as no consensus, after reading point 2 of WP:NAC#Appropriate closures, and I've gone and self-reverted. Thanks. Linguist^talk|contribs 12:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

That, too. But even if your close had been correct, you should not have reverted me without discussion. Like with all administrative decisions, you should always ask before reverting (unless it's urgent). Thanks for undoing your actions, though. Regards SoWhy 12:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Yes, sorry, in the future I will discuss anything I disagree with with you and let you self-rv if you see a need to. Thanks again. Linguist^talk|contribs 16:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

A message from J5Locklear

I'm reaching out to ask you to re-consider deletion of Damon S. Davis page. Like many TV personalities, Mr. Davis is very well known in TV industry and Religious TV and media industry, but his popularity and credibility is more in media that is impossible to cite in Wikipedia. Please re-consider your decision. J5Locklear (talk) 12:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Linguist^talk|contribs 13:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey

Dont do that again!!! This is my page not yours and I can do what I want with that!!! PantherLoop (talk) 14:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia's rules apply to all pages; your userpage is not yours, and must indeed not be used to host non-Wikipedia-related material. It'll be deleted if you put back the material again. Bishonen | talk 20:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC).

Listen!

I am so annoyed that you are complaining all the time. I have not done you. I only added Next Topmodel Contestans which are my favorites and that is just fun because I thought I can do this on MY page but I did not know anything about it. So I leave now alone and take care of you or others around me all the time. PantherLoop (talk) 16:38, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Stop!!!

I just want to say that I am still working on English Wikipedia pages and I can read good english but do not write well and no one has to tell me that I should work as a German only on German pages. Nobody! PantherLoop (talk) 20:02, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @PantherLoop: If this is your only response to the good (and polite) advice that Linguist111 posted on your Talk page, it does not bode well for your future as an editor here at Wikipedia. You may want to review the policy Civility before you edit further. General Ization ^Talk 20:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!!!

Thank you so much for the tipp. Sorry, I'm so stupid and you are very nice. Sorry. PantherLoop (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2017 (UTC)