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This is an archive of User talk:Lar from about 1 September 2007 through about 1 October 2007. Please do not comment here, use my current talk page for that, thanks. It is part of a series of archives, see the box at right for the list and to navigate to others.

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Missing image Image:Louis Daguerre.jpg

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USRD newsletter

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Hello, Lar. A new newsletter has been published at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Newsletter/Issues/Issue012. Rschen7754bot 22:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XVIII (August 2007)

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The August 2007 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

Delivered by grafikbot 10:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Steam Engine -SS Delphine

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I've resubmitted the information on the SS Delphine under the section of multiple expansion where I feel it contributes significantly to the page. Horace Dodge was pioneering in 1920 by adding another stage of compression - and it is therefore of interest to many people who are researching the subject. Please consider before removing this contribution again.Mechanical Misfit 18:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:Steam engine. That is the appropriate place to discuss this further, I feel. ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 19:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Province of Bolzano-Bozen

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Hey Lar, could you comment on this discussion? pov_tag. Leaving aside the aggressive (and a bit funny :) tone of PhJ, could you give some advice of what we are going to do with this POV tag? We are asking the editor who placed the tag, or anyone for that matter, to explain why the new title isn't the most neutral. Instead a warning not to remove the tag is given, but again no explanation. I don't need to remove the tag myself, but I'm not sure what this editor expects to do to whoever removes it. o_O Anyway, at least it isn't a daily request for help on this page now, but it is good to get your experienced-admin say on these matters. Cheers, Icsunonove 23:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

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refactored to User_talk:P.K.Niyogi

Mr Lar

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My belated but hearty congratulations on your newish checkuser flag. I was very happy to hear about our new checkuser dude. And I got your old job sifting and sorting spam on unblock-en-l :-) You've already missed out on several million euros in "lotterj" winnings! :-D Hope all is well with you and yours, Mr Lar. Cheers, Sarah 17:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! If it makes you feel any better, the checkuser list gets lots of the sameish spam, it's an endemic problem I guess. I'm not the only triple wiki checkuser any more, Herbythyme just got it on Meta so he has Meta, Commons and en:wikibooks... :) ++Lar: t/c 18:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh nice; I did not know that you were a triple flag holder, with checkuser and adminship on three projects. Herby is nice, I'm glad he shares the record with you. What about 'cratship here on en WP? Not to worry about the spam. Since I became a mod, we've won several million euros, and now we're getting top-notch financial planning and share portfolio advice, so financially, it's all working very nicely and we should be able to turn our lotterj winnings into a huge amount of cash (or so the dude from Nigeria promises). :-) lol Take care Mr Lar, Sarah 20:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, I thought it was just the elections list that got that stuff. At least en-arbcom-clerks has been spared ... so far. Regards, Newyorkbrad 20:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sarah: A 'cratship here on en:wp??? I think one of those is enough (on Commons), thanks. At least for now. BTW did you know the largest bank robbery in China (so far) was to make up lossess playing the lottery? Seems they stole a little, won some money, plowed it back into tickets trying to hit the big score, and didn't win, so kept stealing to try to make it up... didn't work. (the things you learn on DYK!)
NYB: which elections list is that? :) Oh and now that you've named off the name of the en-arbcom-clerks list you're probably in for it... ++Lar: t/c 20:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, Brad, you have no idea what awesome financial advice I've come into in recent days. As well as some -er- interesting medical miracles! We've also won several million euros in the European "lotterj (sic)" (woohoo!) and I'm trying to convince my fellow unblock members to keep our winnings a secret, lest some do-gooders step in and insist we pass our millions onto the foundation! LOL Sarah 20:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is this the Swiss lotto with the NL address? Or the NL lotto with the Czech address? I forget. I think I've won both of those actually, and they weren't quite what they were cracked up to be... all that glamour gets tiring after a while. ++Lar: t/c 20:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to the list for the board of trustees elections committee ... pretty much quiet now until next year. Newyorkbrad 20:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know...

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Updated DYK query On 12 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Croton Dam (Michigan), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3 talk 15:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Croton Dam

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Hi, thanks for the terrific article on the Croton Dam and congrats on getting it listed as a DYK. I passed the dam just last week for the first time in a couple of decades and realized what a beauty it is (as dams go), so I was glad to help a tiny bit with copy edits. Thanks too for the suggestion about putting my image on the Commons (have done so), and definitely check out the Gilmore — I was hugely impressed with the diversity and quality of their collections as well as the extensive thought and work they put into making the exhibits. Best wishes to your newly-minted Spartan! Kevin Forsyth 18:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations on getting Croton Dam promoted to GA status! If only every new article had such quality research and writing at the outset... Kevin Forsyth 16:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Need a memory shake-up

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Hi Lar, once upon a time I remember coming across a guideline statment that product articles normally shouldn't include current pricing information, as it isn't encyclopedic and is subject to change with time. I'm trying to keep the vandalism and nn additions over at Halo 3 kept down to a dull roar (had to block one user for violating the 19RR policy!), and someone had posted a table projecting product pricing (unsourced of course). I know it could be pulled on WP:V grounds, but I'd really like to be able to cite a more definitive reason...so, can you remember if/where there's such guidance as my brain can't seem to remember. Thanks! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 20:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We have such a thicket of policy pages that I can't ever find what I look for either. I'd just point them at WP:NOT and leave it at that. We are not a directory, a price book or a yellow pages, or a buyers guide so you're definitely doing the right thing I think. ++Lar: t/c 00:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
AHA! #4 under the "not a directory" was exactly what I was looking for. Once upon a time in my younger days, I would have remembered exactly where I had seen it. I think my gray cells are leaking out into my hair. Oh, the frustrations of age! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 02:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

nice pic!

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Hi Lar I'm writing for asking some information of a beautiful picture you made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Croton_dam_Brian.H_Flickr_102843790_9ae9b1a96d_o.jpg so what camera did you use? what time was it? it`s really an amazing photo, great colors. thanks see u later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punkmati (talk • contribs) 21:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, That was an image I found on Flickr... follow the link in the image description and it will take you to Brian H.'s page and you can ask him questions yourself if you have a Flickr account. I thought it was great too, which is why, even after we went and shot a whole bunch of pics (see the link at the bottom of the article to Commons...) I kept it as lead. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 00:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


A new job?

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It's been a long time, how are you? I have just made a suggestion involving you here [1] I hope you don't mind but i think you are the man for the jobespecially with your experience in mediation ect, also you have no pre-conceived ideas on such subjects as they are frar from your normal field of editing, but you have the mind to quickly get a feel for these things. If asked I hope you will accept, I can think of nobody better. Giano 19:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this finds you well... I'm flattered but I'm not sure I'd be the right person for this. I'll certainly give it every consideration if asked, though. I appreciate your thinking of me (I think! :) ) ++Lar: t/c 20:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

USRD Newsletter Issue 13

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A new issue is available at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Newsletter/Issues/Issue013/Delivery. Rschen7754bot 19:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:71.252.83.230

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Just in case you missed the second unblock request :). -- lucasbfr talk 20:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tourism in metropolitan Detroit

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Please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tourism in metropolitan Detroit, you may want to have some input. Thomas Paine1776 21:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mikerussell

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Refactored to User_talk:Mikerussell ... these are the key diffs showing the flow of the conversation (and the deletion of warnings by Mikerussell) I post, Mike deletes, Mike deletes a robot's message about not signing posts, Mike posts here, I refactor back to his talk per my policy, and reply in the same edit), Mike removes without reply... This demonstrates that Mikerussell has been warned of his behaviour by me and has read and removed the comments. ++Lar: t/c 03:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let me be clear about this. If you leave another message on my Talk page threatening me with something? getting blocked? I will delete it. If you ever try to intimidate me and bully me I will delete it. You understand that. I have never had any contact with you, nor do I care that you are an admin. Right now it is late and I have go to work tomorrow and may not be able to get back to you as quickly as I like, so whatever you do I may not react to right away. But be certain I will act. Mikerussell 03:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't threaten other users. I give advice when I feel it is necessary, whether the user in question wants the advice or not. My advice to you is to change your approach. Belligerence and mis characterization of the intents and actions of others will not get you very far here. It is time you internalised that and moved on to changing the way you act instead of blustering. I think you will find I am much more patient than many admins but you are already trying my patience a bit. That's not a good strategy. If you have issues with my statements and actions, you may ask that they be reviewed at the administrator's incident noticeboard. Editing here is a privilege not a right, and you ought to keep that in mind. ++Lar: t/c 03:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the link, when I get the time I will approach the administrator's incident noticeboard about your actions, but perhaps it is fortunate that I am so busy these next couple of days I don't have the time. Time will allow for a cooler recounting of what is the first time ever in my 3-4 years of editing articles that I ever have been threatened with blocking. (Whis is a thraet of what exactly? I mean the tone of your conduct is more shocking then any possible action you could take.) I would remind you too, adminship is a privelege not a right. And to go from a kind reminder to combative threats in two minutes after I explained to you my opinion politely, suggests I was correct, you were passive-agressive and the incident needs to go to the notice board. Have a good day, Sir, its best we refrain from debating anything more here in my opinion. Mikerussell 11:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In view of your latest reply I actually think it would be for the best if this WERE brought to WP:ANI for review. ++Lar: t/c 12:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More information on this, it appears that Mikerussell has reverted other items relating to this article and the actions of other editors...

that gets us to my first edit to Mike's page. Note that in the aftermath of this exchange, Loodog has stated his/her intent to quit Wikipedia possibly at least in part over this matter. ++Lar: t/c 23:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Permanent IP vandal

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Hi,

Note this:

This vandal was blocked on hr wiki for removing images without explanation. He does the same things here. Regards. -- A.P. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.93.5 (talk) 18:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A total of two removals over many months is all I see on en, and the map removed recently is actually something that other editors of that article are discussing, as others say it has errors. So I'm not seeing any grounds for any action at this time. (whether you're AP or not) ++Lar: t/c 00:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Whirlpool Corporation

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Hello again, Lar. A newbie using only an IP address insists on inserting material in the Whirlpool Corporation article which is controversial in nature without including a verifiable citation. I've already maxxed out the 3RR rule so I'm asking your help in warning him about his actions. Steelbeard1 04:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He did add citations, but they are message board and user review entries. Are they sufficient citations? Steelbeard1 04:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In my view they are not reliable sources by any stretch of the imagination. I've reverted once, and warned on the IP's talk page. I'll try to keep an eye out. Ask for help on WP:3RR if you need it, before you run afoul yourself (remember that 3R is not an entitlement, it's a bright line you're not supposed to cross) although I'd argue you are reverting bad faith insertion of unsourced material rather than "warring", still... call for help tomorrow before you even use your second revert, OK? You're good people and I don't want to see you blocked needlessly my friend. ++Lar: t/c 04:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your checkuser on AlexCovarrubias and Supaman89

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Hi. A couple of days ago you ran a checkuser on User:AlexCovarrubias and User:Supaman89 concluding that they were "possibly" related. AlexCovarrubias has emailed me denying any connection and would like for you to publish the IP addresses he has used (waiving his right to privacy) along with Supaman89's (who he claims has also given permission - I'm not sure where, though) in order to allow him to "prove his innocence". I'm aware that checkusers are not done on a user at their own request, however I'm not sure if there is a policy regarding publishing full results at the user's request. If you are able to verify both users' permissions, would you be willing to publish and explain the full results? Thanks for your time. --Tango 12:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Replied via email. ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 14:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflict

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I've fixed something on simple.RfA page... Would you please check if it's all right now? Thank you, M/ 13:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks, you fixed it correctly, I went through the diffs to see what you did. As you suspected, I conflicted with the edit just before mine, and in fixing it up I apparently only preserved one of the two comments made. Your restoration of it set everything to rights. Good luck with your candidacy for checkuser on Simple Wikipedia. I hope there is no trouble getting at least two of you to have the required 25 votes. It will be good to see another wiki not have to rely on stewards for checks, who have so much to do. ++Lar: t/c 14:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS thank you for your support of my candidacy on Meta, it is much appreciated. ++Lar: t/c 14:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Commons Account

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Here I am. Please create the account for me. I would like the temporary password lanimsst and I agree to abide by all copyright and Wikimedia laws to the best of my ability. —Some Person 23:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, please use email to send me the temporary password, posting it here is not secure, someone else could take control of the account before you do. Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 13:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What is your email address? —Some Person 00:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just use the email this user link in the toolbox, to the left, and it will be emailed to me. ++Lar: t/c 01:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Need text of deleted article

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Hello, I need the text (and code) for the deleted article: Shums Hoda. thanks, Yaminc 18:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean "and code" ? The wiki source? You'd have that if I undeleted and userified it for you. But this article is so far outside the range of acceptable articles that I'd want to know what you wanted it for and what you intended to do with it... In my considered judgement this article will never be suitable for Wikipedia. So please tell me more, thanks. ++Lar: t/c 22:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting close rationale on Tourism in metropolitan Detroit

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Refactored to User_talk:John254#Interesting_close_rationale_on_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FTourism_in_metropolitan_Detroit per my policy. ++Lar: t/c 12:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roper and Whirlpool Corporation

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refactored to User talk:Chris the speller#Roper and Whirlpool Corporation per my policy ++Lar: t/c 18:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DYK tool

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Hi Lar. If you could spare a minute, sould you configure the DYK tool for me please? Nishkid and myself spent a while last week without any success. Regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Blnguyen... Which one? Henriks??? I'm about to go to bed and there is nothing worse than messing up someone else's monobook, leaving things broken, and then going away so they can't ask you to fix it back :) Note that all I had to add to my monobook was 

 
//*********************
// Henrik's DYK notifier helper
 
importScript('User:Henrik/js/dyk-notifier.js');

You can see it, it's at the very bottom of my monobook. The other stuff at the top is for single functions in my custom tabs, don't do that unless you want that functionality too. If it doesn't work, I highly recommend just using the console in FireFox, clearing errors, and watching it as you do things to see what it is complaining about. ++Lar: t/c 04:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, just feel free to tinker. The only thing it would affect is popups but I don't need that at the moment, and I will be away for a few hours soon. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Added. Revert it if it doesn't work. ++Lar: t/c 15:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/216.83.121.194

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Hi, I am respond here regarding this Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/216.83.121.194.

All of those related socks have been rounded up here: Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_216.83.121.194 (I did not create this category). Would it be better to use one of the usernames to group all these related socks together or should I use this IP address instead which seems to have the oldest entry in wikipedia among this sock?

The reason I ask is because this specific vandal/sock seems to have moved on to the new IP User:68.44.84.185 so I don't know if using a "name" or using the original ip address (216.83.121.194) would be better. Any thoughts on that? Strongsauce 13:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a strong opinion about what the right name for the category is, as long as the right users are in it so they can be related to each other, that should be good enough. Using the IP address is, I suppose, odd, but it's not unheard of. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 19:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brazil page

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Greetings.

There is a problem in Brazil’s page.

Two groups are debating over the use of a certain picture in the article, each group having their own valid claims as for why the picture should be included or not included. So far so good.

The problem started when users AlexCovarrubias, Opinoso and Supaman89 resorted to calling people that didn’t agree with them “racists”, “white-rich” Brazilians and a number of other similar names. I take great offence at being called a “racist” simply because I disagreed with someone. We have a case of at least three rules being violated: Wikipedia:Etiquette, Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:no personal attacks. The insults have been directed towards everyone that hasn’t agreed with them, effectively ruining the possibility of a civil debate. Thus, I believe an administrator needs to take it from here.

Unsurprisingly, many of the users responsible for the insults have been blocked several times in the past.

I have already contacted other administrators and I’m currently awaiting their response, but I’m also contacting you because I’ve noticed you are familiar with some of the users involved in this discussion.

We need help.

Thanks in advance.

Sparks1979 14:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't promise anything in particular but I will take a look. ++Lar: t/c 19:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Sparks1979 04:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did look and it's not clear cut to me at all. Seems like multiple factions and no faction is lily white, behaviour wise. Someone who understands Brazilian culture and norms far better than me may be a better choice. But of course anyone like that may have a POV on what the right answer is .++Lar: t/c 13:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name change on Commons

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I continue wanting my name change in wikicommons but I do not understand what I must do. My page of users is: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusión:Komputisto and my IP is 84.127.218.231. Please, tell me more of the name change please. My english was very poor, try to explain me very easily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.203.227.75 (talk) 18:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will answer on your spanish page. ++Lar: t/c 20:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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