User talk:Kudpung/Archive 01-15 Oct 2011

Thanks and question

Kudpung, thanks for the initiative on the restructuring of RFA. On my talk you say "It may now be appropriate to take an earnest look at the possible introduction of some control over voters". Could you explain what you mean when you say power over voters? Thanks! Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 07:17, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Philippe. This is discussed in depth at WP:RFA2011/VOTING and its talk page. One possible solution is suggested at WP:RfA/C. Other possible solutions take into account the measures that are practiced on several other Wikipedias, such as introducing minimum qualifications for voters. The drama at RfA is directly responsible for the unprecedented decline in candidates over the last 18 months or so. We're currently having an updated chart plotted. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Please forgive dumb questions, since i"m rather late to the party... but would I be correct if I were to restate "control over voters" as "suffrage requirements" or the like? I want to be sure that I"m not misunderstanding. If I'm not, I think that defining suffrage (that is, who has the "say") is both positive and negative. But if enacted, we will have to be quite certain not to enact the self-fulfilling prophecy: admins who look exactly like the ones we have now. In voting systems, the end result of that is that the edge-cases are pushed farther and farther out of the mainstream. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Interesting points Philippe. Although I began the RfA reform project earlier this year, it now has a large number of participants and I think your questions/comments would be really helpful on the project's discussion pages. All the participants agree that reform is urgently needed, but we don't all agree with all the suggestions that are being made, but that leads to ensuring that we are not making completely inappropriate suggestions for reform. By 'control', I meant simply either asking responsible editors to moderate the RfA process in order to dispense with the drama, or introducing minimum requirements to be able to vote on RfA, such as are practiced on other Wikipedias. Suffrage is simply a one-word, more linguistic term for 'right to vote', which is indeed what we're talking about. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me understand.  :) I intend to engage more fully on those pages (as do Steven and Maryana) but I wanted to be sure I sort of understood the groundwork first. I've also asked there, but ... in what ways can the WMF help? We've got some staff time we can put into helping to figure out the RfA situation, but we don't want to step on anyone's toes. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 07:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I fully understand that Philippe. We are pleased that the WMF is following the situation, because some of our suggestions for reform concern taking into account the way in which other Wikis handle their RfA sytems. Erik, for example is a native German, and although I am a German native-level language speaker (and French), I don't know my way round those Wikis so well - mainly because of all the other acronyms they use. The WMF could help us perhaps by providing feedback from those other Wikis, and perhaps some data charts. There is of course a fairly strong consensus that each Wiki is responsible for organising its own local voting processes internally, but WMF support is welcome. Jimbo has however made it clear in no uncertain terms that something urgently needs to be done, and particularly as en.Wiki is the flagship project. His comments are taken very seriously. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Please help me

Dear Sir or Madam,

I've written several contributions to the following page: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repubblica_di_Ragusa. Some of them with citations and most of it on the Talk page, not on the articles page. I've never eliminated someone else's contributions. However the things written aren't liked by the users "Presbite" and "Theirrules yourrules" and "Abys" who bloked my account even though I discussed things politely and rationally. They also accuse me to be part of a group pushing POV which I'm not. I just wanted to discuss on the Talk page. All I wanted was that Croatian as a language was included at the top on the right side of the page as one of the languages spoken in the Republic of Ragusa/Dubrovnik. I also described that Italian was spoken in Ragusa for it was a trade language in the middle ages like English. I also described on the talk page that the Ragusans felt as Croatians and not just Ragusans. I think that's not a reason to block my account. Can you help me? Thank you in advance.

Vatroslav Tudor

Account name VatroslavTudor

I'd also like to ask how can I become an administrator and block someone else? --VatroslavTudor (talk) 08:45, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sorry but this is the English Wikipedia. Please address your concern on the article's talk page of http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repubblica_di_Ragusa on the Italian Wikipedia. To be an administrator on the English Wikipedia please read WP:Advice for RfA candidates. Thank you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

My editing: 80 new articles versus a few deletion Notifications

Hi, I didnt get any feed back on that page, I will take a look at it. I am not sure what you mean about "following advice" etc... Most of the articles on my talk page that were nominated for deletion are STILL on Facebook. Part of the problem is that people come to see this talk page and they see a few requests and they think all I create are deletable article. I have created over 80 new articles over 2 years that are still on FB, so I am not sure what you mean about "heading warnings" unless you tell me something specific since each case/article was nominated for different reasons. Also some of the 'deletion' nominations are a matter of cultural relevance. So I have people doing things like saying a particular group or person is not notable b/c they were not notable in the western countries or because they are not on international charts... etc...so its not always just about what I did, its also about reporting about countries that dont have all their information online. I will try and improve the article. thanks--MsTingaK (talk) 12:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Reply

Kudpung, when you wrote on my talk page you mentioned Persecution of Bosniaks. What am I supposed to be looking at on that page? Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 12:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

You patrolled it but you didn't tag it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:07, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, it said "article in progress" and I thought there would be more coming. If it didn't say that i would've tagged it. Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 13:24, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

CSD tagging

Hi Kudpung! Could you please help me out here? I just tagged this page as G1. Has it been tagged tagged appropriately? If not, with which criteria should I tag such pages? Thanks and regards, Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 13:26, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah: I was just looking at that page my self. It's one of those borderline cases for which we don't have a clear criterion. It could be A1 A3 or a hoax, thought I doubt the latter. I'd let it go. I'll delete it myself if any one else hasn't in a while. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:30, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's already been deleted as A3 --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:31, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

The Filaments page

Hey, Had a message to contact you regarding The Filaments page. What do i need to add or amend? I'm all new to this. Please don't delete! Many thanks Kim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burleyford (talk • contribs) 16:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. The tags on the article at The Filaments will explain what needs doing, and the messages on your talk page will explain how to do it. Remeber that on Wikipedia all the blue words are clickable links. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Why was my article deleted? I don't understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjwenergy (talk • contribs) 19:40, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It was pure promotion of an entity. →Στc. 21:21, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Re:Brendan Kelly

Actually, I would've tagged Brendan Kelly as PROD because there weren't any sources but I wanted to give it a few minutes in case the editor was gathering information. I know there are many cases where a few minutes later, the editor finished constructing the article.SwisterTwister talk 06:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

That generally applies to A1 and A3 articles. This article was as complete as it would probably ever be. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:07, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Piteda Pemusatan Kalimasada

Accidentally deleted it under "WP:PROD for seven days" criterion. I meant to delete it under WP:CSD#G11 (didn't think needed to run for all seven days) - apologies for the error. Neutrality^talk 06:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

All PRODs should be allowed to run for 7 cdys and BLPPRODS for 10 days. Admins are pretty quick to delete them when they expire. You may wish to work on those categories. If you haven't already got it, you may wish to tuck {{admin dashboard}} into your user page for quick reference :) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Detecting copyvios

I use Bing :) --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Bing? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Bing.com. Search engine. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:38, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Just copying and pasting a chunk of text into it like I do in Google?--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Yup. It's usually obvious that it was copied. Why is the bot down? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Been down for over three months. Apparently because it's incompatible with a new release of Yahoo. But I don't know what SE Coren was using. There are a lot of discussions about it. That why we need to be extra careful at locating copyvios. The technology is beyond me. The techs are working on it as fast as they can though. User:Moonriddengirl is the expert on copyvio. She's also WMF staff.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Matt Bostrom

Hi this is Grace Kelly. You have proposed deletion of my article on Matt Bostrom. I want you to re-consider. I may be new to writing an article on wiki but I am not new to writing articles. Sheriff Matt Bostrom is a very important figure here in Minnesota, that a simple google search would quickly display. I researched and read all of the articles that you sent me BEFORE I wrote the article. I compared my article to similar articles on similar topics. I think I have met all expectations. Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegracekelly (talk • contribs) 07:01, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Grace. First, please read some basic instructions on how to leave messages. Without links and your signature, there's little I can do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:05, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, well a bot has now signed your post for you. I'm afraid Matt Bostrom still does not meet our criteria. Please click all the blue links in the deletion notice, and in the welcome message on your talk page, and you will discover the reasons why the article does not comply. You have seven days to do this before the article gets deleted, if you have further questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Good luck. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:10, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Training?

Hello Kudpung, what is training like? I read the articles you told me to read, learned a few things, and see what I did wrong. When I am borderline on decisions, can I ask you? Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 14:22, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. If you've read all those pages and fully understood them, then you are welcome to continue patrolling. But if you get too many wrong again, you will be banned for a while from patrolling new pages until I have put you through a couple of tests. If you are not 100% sure what to tag, simply leave the page for someone else to tag it, put it on your watch list and see how the other patroller tagged it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

OK. Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 14:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

One more thing. What do you do when an article has been deleted before it was marked as patrolled? Current examples: Analogue tachograph and Professor Ian Diamond Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 15:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Create the article with {{db-unpatrolled}} on it. →Στc. 21:48, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thoughts on NPP

Hi Kudpung. Thanks for the nice message. I've been following all the stuff including the new zoom interface for NPP. I haven't commented as I have little experience with NPP so can't bring the expertise you, Blade and SW have to the conversation. For what it's worth, I also believe making NPP a user right would help a great deal. Unfortunatley the community hasn't gotten behind that idea.

One thing I have thought about is the priority of things at NPP. NPPers help protect Wikipedia from legal problems, which is an immense value that can't be understated. Maybe users patrolling the front of the queue could focus on legal issues (G10 attack, G12 copyvios, etc.) as these things truly need to be dealt with in minutes. Perhaps less important issues (orphans, wikification, A2 foreign, A5 transwiki, etc.) could be dealt with by those patrolling the back of the NPP queue.

Perhaps we could have Junior NPPers and Senior NPPers. As newbies seem to want to jump in to NPP, maybe should focus our education on the most serious issues like teaching them to tag articles with legal problems. These would be Junior NPPers. Then, as they gain experience, we could teach them more advanced things like checking references and notability and patrolling from the back of the queue. Perhaps we could teach these newbies to not mark a page as patrolled unless they specifically marked it for CSD and to let the more experienced users deal with the more complex issues. This may give them incentive to learn more about NPP and to do a better job so they could become Senior NPPers.

These are just some thoughts I've had, but like I said, I'm too inexperienced at NPP to know if these are useful ideas. I'd very much like to hear from you and others about your ideas regarding NPP. Best regards. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 02:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hydrox. Thanks for you input. There have been some issues in the recent past over the WP:ACTRIAL that I, Blade, and SW proposed, but the WMF is taking the problems of new page creation and policing very seriously and is now devoting unprecedented time and resources to it, and I'm trying to help them where I can. My point of view, from my own intensive empirical research into NPP, is that we can probably not escape eventually making NPP a user right for suitably qualified editors. However, a two-tier system may simply duplicate the work and make it unnecessarily complex. At the moment, in spite of around 1,500 users having 'New page patroller' userboxes, there appears to be on average only 2 - 7 patrollers on duty at any one time (according to Snottywong's tool), while at peak times, new pages arrive at one every 15 seconds or so, and the quality of the NPPers' work leaves much to be desired. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

PS: I'm thinking on the lines of something like a video tutorial for NPP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:12, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

seeing all this, I've lately been checking NPP more often myself, and, like you, concentrating on those NPPatrollers who seem to need some suggestions. At this point, I'd support a userright. Long ago, I made a suggestion about having editors sign up for particular time slots. (Not that they could follow 2-3 a minute, but that they'd take responsibility for a particular time & day, say an hour. Do you think we could get 168 experienced people? Hooking to some of the above, do you think we could make at least an informal requirement for admin candidates to take such a slot for a month or so? I'm also trying to write up what I use in my head a a NPP red flag checklist. As you may recall, I did not support AC (and for the first time yet I actually support the WMF when they overrode us), but that does not mean I'm not concerned about this--for several years I've been concentrating on what gets deleted & shouldn't be, but the number in the other direction seems considerably larger. My main concern is retention of new editors, and both directions are equally important for that. DGG ( talk ) 05:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your input David. I have seen you helping some of the patrollers. I sent you an email earlier today. In the meantime, I have proposed a survey which the WMF is in favour of, and I will be discussing it with Howie tomorrow. Any comments you would like to make on it's talk page would be most welcome. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot the link. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

NPP user right

Would anybody like to discuss this further? Maybe the community would be ready for this if we provided a persuasive case? Any thoughts or opinions are most welcome. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 06:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

We're discussing something on those lines here. You'll need to do some catching up but your comments would be most welcome. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite. I've been following all the stuff from the beginning (AC RfC, WP:ACTRIAL, Bugzilla thread, AC workflow and NPP zoom interface). I really don't feel competent commenting on the zoom interface as I have done so little patroling, therfore don't have a proper perspective of the situation. But thanks for the invitation to comment. I think you, Blade, SW and WSC have been doing an excellent job making sure that the important issues are on the table so others can stay focused on what is needed. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 07:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't disagree with choosing who should patrol NPP (it would filter experienced people aside from the new editors testing their abilities) but I think if people start choosing certain people, it'll take away a piece of Wikipedia: Anyone can help and edit Wikipedia. Yes, there may be new people that want to help and don't understand but I simply think that making it a entitlement to patrol would change things perhaps in good and not so good ways. SwisterTwister talk 03:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

New Pages Patrolling

Hi Kudpung, I've decided to do some more work on New Page Patrol. Please could you explain what it was that gave you concern about my tagging of articles in the past? You weren't very specific. Incidentally, since you mention ACTRIAL, I should say that I am very familiar with it, since Chzz discussed it with me in detail. He seems quite well informed about it. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I can't find it now, but I have been doing a lot of checking on the work of new page patrollers over the last few days. I think it was something more general, but I probably suggested that you read up on WP:NPP and WP:CSD. If you have done that and understood it all, you should be OK for patrolling pages. I admit that some of it is very complicated, but we're working on it. Happy editing! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Hi...thank you for your reply. Also, wanted to say you guys are doing a great job, I'm new to this and already very impressed!! I don't know how to link a previous question that I had so I copied it below with your reply.

The page I was referring to is this Nader Guirat.Thanks again!--Mona MG (talk) 07:10, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Reliable Sources Hi...Before I make changes and additions to a page (bio) that needs additional material, could I first send the references, links and reliable sources that I have put together and intend to use on the page to find out if they are satisfactory/sufficient to prevent the deletion of the page? Thank you. --Mona MG (talk) 08:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

You haven't left a link here but I assume you are referring to Star Academy Arab World. The article is tagged as requiring clean up, but I don't see any indication that it is slated for deletion. Check that your sources comply fully with WP:RS, and if you feel confident that the addition(s) you intend to make is/are relevant to the article, feel free to go ahead and make the edits. Normally I would suggest you discuss it on the article talk page but there seems to be little activity there apart from some trolling that I have just removed. You may also wish to check the article history that the IP edits are genuine information. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi. The same advice applies :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:16, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

OBVIOUS(MR. MOTIVATION)

Don't you think this is an obvious case of blatant advertising, of a non-notable person? Avenue X at Cicero (talk · message · contribs · count · logs · email) 10:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

As an admin, I'm very careful how I tag pages. Once PRODed, this page will be deleted anyway in 10 days if it's not improved. I've left your CSD tag on it - another admin may consider it worth deleting immediately. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Temasek Secondary School#Listing of all achievements, etc.

I don't know if you've already watchlisted it or not, but I think that we should keep an eye on this article. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 12:56, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I was doing some heavy pruning and editing one minute ago ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I saw that. Actually, thinking about it, rather than doing it ourselves, can I respectfully suggest that editing the article be left in User:AngelSL's hands for now and that you (or I, or both of us) guide him/her through it? If they work up the article, it'll be a better outcome in terms of encouraging continued attention on his/her part than either of us working on it. Assuming that s/he is actually a middle school student, this would be a better outcome for wikipedia. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 13:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. They might learn something. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Re:New Page Patrolling

Institute of Sensory Organs - yup i saw it had no refs, i also saw it had already been tagged for having none lower down, ie good enough, dont want to be too heavy handed.

reliable sources - yes i do search for them, when i'm interested enough in the subject to do so. please dont let me stop you adding as many as you like.

csd or prod tag - yes it may do, we'll see. but do feel free to add them yourself.

thanks! -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 04:50, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I am not a new page patroller. I am conducting research in to how New Page Patrolling can be improved and made easier for you, but I naturally correct the mis-tags on the fly. Not tagging pages correctly simply duplicates work for others. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

the un-ref'd tag was already there. -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 05:01, 4 October 2011 (UTC):::

If I remember rightly, Institute of Sensory Organs, only had a section tag. Please remember each tag automatically enters an article into a specific category that other people work on. Unreferenced sections are obviously not such a high priority as totally unreferenced articles that may well need a CSD or a PROD tag - after having carried out the steps patrollers should be doing in WP:NPP. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:08, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

yup a section tag, which i thought was good enough, if you dont, then feel free to change it. -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 05:12, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Galerie Patrick Seguin

i marked it as patrolled because the of the notable nature of the list of people they distribute and the museums they contribute to. its also got notes and a bibliography. ie, it looked good enough imo to get marked as patrolled. -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 05:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Most galleries, especially those in place like Paris, London, and Berlin, handle works of art of notable artists. Notability is not inherited. Please see WP:NOTABILITY. Thanks, and keep up the good work! . --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

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Schoolyard

• Facepalm... FWIW and like it or not, WP is like your typical high school. Sometimes. Best and out. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 08:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Sandbox

Chewey93/sanbox => User:Chewey93/sanbox to help out a new user, who's a student trying to figure out the wiki. Just sayin'. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:22, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Institute of Rural Management

Hello Kudpung, could you please do something about Institute of Rural Management, which has been recreated by Samar Saeed Akhtar through copy and pasting. I suggest you, after two reminders and three CSDs, block this problematic user. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 04:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Can you run a chunk of it through Google, do the diuplication report check, then tag it for G10 if you're satisfied, then I'll look into it further. The original G10 was http://www.irm.edu.pk/Publications/reports/10_yearReport.pdf and http://www.irm.edu.pk/index-.php?About%20N-IRM&catId=1 --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

G10? It looks promotional to me. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 04:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

And G12. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 04:30, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, G12 is what I meant. I've now put a final warning on his tp - he has created other copyvio pages, and if he does it again I will block. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I've already deleted it. I've also protected the pages, so a block might not be necessary. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello.. I have submitted an article about an organization "Institute of Rural Management" multiple times and everytime it gets deleted with reason mentioning copyright enfringement, although I have mentioned all the references including those detected by you on the wiki. Please guide me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.25.19 (talk) 04:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately you may not copy content from other websites. You must ensure that what you are writing about is notable, and if it satisfies our criteria for organisations, then you must provide reliable, third-party sources that are not connected with your organisation. Please click on all the blue words in this message for more information, and the ones in the many messages on your talk page. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Please unblock Examsandacademics and their IP address

Hi Kudpung!

First of all I would like to apologize on behalf of this user User:Examsandacademics, I'm the Campus Ambassador for her class and personally met her and told her about the violation, and she promised me not to repeat this in future. The student is a part of India Education Program, WP:IEP and is fairly new in terms of Wikipedia Editing. Please unblock the IP(202.71.141.170) address coz it's her college's lab ip and none of the students are able to do the editing and their deadline are approaching real fast.

Accept our apologies and please unblock her asap.

Cheers,

Ram (talk • contribs) 06:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Give me a link to the concerned user and I'll review the situation. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I have unblocked the user, but I must make quite specifically clear that this user name cannot be used collectively by the members of a project. Anyone editing the encyclopedia must either sign up for their own account, or be content to edit as an IP. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:09, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks a ton for unblocking the user and the IP. We don't allow everyone to use single username coz the evaluations are done on the basis of Student's Wikipedia UserID, so no collobrative use of single username, as these folks work on their article in University labs, they share the same external IP.

Thanks,

Ram (talk • contribs) 06:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

hello

why are you worried about my page? I just made it. Im not even done bro. is this a personal problem? CalvinCrabtree — Preceding unsigned comment added by CalvinCrabtree (talk • contribs) 07:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

And it will probably continue to be deleted 'bro' until you understand that this is not FaceBook. Please read the requirements for inclusion in this encyclopedia, and consider developing the article first in your user space. If it meets approval, you can be sure we will publish it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:43, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 07:49, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

hi kudpung

why did you delete the article Kristian Meincke? I am kristian meincke, so why arent I allowed to do an article about myself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krilson (talk • contribs) 08:02, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The page was recreated. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 08:07, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Wikipedia is not Facebook. Wikipedia only has topics about notable things. If you do something and get in the news, maybe someone will write an article about you someday. →Στc. 08:08, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Please see the welcome message and the warnings on your talk page at User talk:Krilson. By clicking on the blue words, you will be linked to pages that explain the requirements for posting new articles on Wikipedoa. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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dom&nic

Hi Kudpung. I am new to wikipedia editing I began a new dom&nic page because I found the page that someone had started about me (I am Dominic Hawley, a music video and commercial film director) was very incomplete and out of date. I understand you would like the article deleted. Can you help me understand how I can make it better or do you believe an article about dom&nic is not a valid topic full stop. Kind regards Dom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Domley (talk • contribs) 21:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

dom&nic

Hi Kudpung. I am new to wikipedia editing I began a new dom&nic page because I found the page that someone had started about me (I am Dominic Hawley, a music video and commercial film director) was very incomplete and out of date. I understand you would like the article deleted. Can you help me understand how I can make it better or do you believe an article about dom&nic is not a valid topic full stop. Kind regards Dom (Domley (talk) 21:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)).

Hi Domely. It's not actually a question of what I believe; it's a matter of whether the article's subject is sufficiently notable for inclusion according to Wikipedia policies. This is sometimes subject to discussion about how the policies apply to the article. I see you have now added more references, but we will need to let the discussion run for its full seven days at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dom&nic where those references will be investigated by the community. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

quick question

When you posted this, were you talking to only, Spidey665, or mysterytrey? Thanks in advance for answering. mysterytrey talk 01:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The comment was addressed at Spidey, not to others who had commented. My apologies if it was not clear. I have qualified my statement . --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks. It was a bit unclear, though. mysterytrey talk 02:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

In response

Are you referring to a particular tag? Your message on my Talk page was rather vague. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. No, I wasn't referring to any specific page. I had noticed from a special control panel I use that you are still getting a lot of tags wrong. I then checked your user page and saw that I had already asked to read WP:NPP and that many other admins have been again pointing out wrong tags to you. I thought it would be best to remind you again to read WP:NPP. Although no special user right is required for patrolling new pages, to do it accurately needs a very good knowledge of our different policies, especially WP:DELETION, and to some extent, how the site software works. Hoaxes for example, are usually very easy to identify - they are usually silly short stories made up by obvious children. Occasionally some hoaxes are more subtle and may have been copied from a blog or a forum. If you think that is the case, copy and paste a complete sentence into Google and see what you get. Check also the user's contributions, they may have made other hoaxes and check the user's talk page to see if they have been warned for anything already. There are a lot of things that need to be done to patrol a page properly. Hope this helps. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC).

The hoax tag can be frustrating. A few days ago I tagged an article (I think it may have been AZA-1) as a hoax, which was declined by another editor. Then I used an AfD, at which point another editor said "hey, this is an obvious hoax" and SD'ed it. So, frankly, which is it? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:57, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Follow the link I just left on your talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

So whomever removed the SD on AZA-1 was incorrect? Sorry, this is bloody confusing. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

AZA-1

• First tagged as G3 Hoax by an admin
• Deleted as G3 Hoax by an admin
• Tagged again as G3 Hoax by Mr Vernon
• Deleted again as G3 Hoax by an admin

If I had seen it I would have deleted it summarily as a G3 hoax without bothering to tag it first. The creator himself removed the tag - they usually do. Convinced? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually it went through a very brief AfD before the second deletion. But sure, I think I get it. I'll just play it "safe." --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Radar, IRC and ACTRIAL

Wow, I can't believe your father helped develop the radar during WWII. BTW, you can chat to me at [1], particularly about ACTRIAL and how I'm disappointed that the top won't let it go ahead. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

My dad's 92 now. I don't chat on IRC - too busy  ;). We're working closely now with the WMF to find other solutions for ACTRIAL. Best, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Infopesa

hi, i noticed that this page had been tagged for speedy deletion so i was looking into it and i think it does have claims to be notable. i checked some of the bands it mentioned on the es site, (eg Los Pasteles Verdes, Juaneco y su Combo) and they both mention it, tho there is no page for Infopesa specifically. this site (http://rhythmnroots.wordpress.com/tag/infopesa/) also says they've been around for 40 years. i think its worth stubbing it and giving it a chance no? -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 07:56, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I don't think so. The 'article' had 30 words (two sentences) and absolutely nothing else. The user was offered several messages to do something about it. We'll see what happens if they complain. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

People manamgment

Since the creator objected to the speedy deletion, isn't the article inelligible to be PRODed, since there is an objection to deletion? Inks.LWC (talk) 08:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The article is PRODed, it's the usual follow up to a declined CSD. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

So the objection to the CSD doesn't count as an objection to the PROD as well? Inks.LWC (talk) 08:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

No. What it does is gives the creator a second chance to do something aboçut it, because another editor feels that there was a faint notion of possible notability. The usual sequence of deletion is CSD → PROD → AfD. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, another administrator had told me before that it did. Thanks for clearing it up for me. :) Inks.LWC (talk) 08:35, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Remember that an article can only be PRODed once though. If you don't CSD an article as the first measure, you must check its history to see that it hasn't been previously PRODed. If it has, or if a PROD is declined (removed) without the article being improved, send it to AfD with a rationale such as, for example, Declined PROD. Concern was: Fails to meet criteria for WP:NBOOK. Searches reveal no other reliable sources. or something similar. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that much I knew. Inks.LWC (talk) 08:44, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

• Note: It's a blatant copyvio - copied verbatim from http://ezinearticles.com/?Top-Ten-Tips-About-People-Management&id=46309 (page clearly marked "copyright 2008 Martin Haworth"). I had to disable the live link here as it triggers the spam filter. Just paste it into your browser. Surely it can, and indeed must, be speedied under G12. Unambiguous copyright infringement. There's no way it can even be stubbed. Voceditenore (talk) 09:19, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for this Voce. I've run it through the Duplication detector, and you're quite right. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:26, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

It's part of the Talk:Educational data mining project. Wikipedia talk:India Education Program I left amessage there earlier. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for putting me on to the Duplication detector. What a fab tool! I had a look a the project you referred to and then some of their "articles". What a nightmare. They've had 15 briefings on copyvio?? Clearly it hasn't sunk in. If you run across any that you think might be copyvio, post the article on my talk page and I'll sleuth it out. From what I've seen of what they've produced so far, anything involving connected prose that looks reasonably well-written, is highly likely to have been copied from somewhere. Voceditenore (talk) 12:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Here's another: Communication in sports. We're getting about 20 a day of these essays now. They are all made up of individual sentences from multiple sources and slightly (of at all) paraphrased. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Yep consisted of pasted in chunks from 3 sites verbatim. As I was in the middle, another patroller tagged it for speedy, I added the other two URLs to the tag. Can't something be done about this? A whole load of bad articles are one thing but copyvio is serious and it's obviously continuing on a massive scale. Voceditenore (talk) 14:47, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Another thought, do you think it would be worthwhile informing the project of every page deleted for copyvio, so they are aware of the scale? Voceditenore (talk) 14:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Probably worth mentioning it at User talk:Moonriddengirl - there were a series of threads about this there, now archived. Some of the people involved in the project participated, and the last/latest thread ended with a suggestion, if I remember rightly, that the volume of problems is now greatly reduced, and things have been taken care of. Which I can well believe might not be the case! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I read the archive and I gather the India Education Program is already keeping track of articles deleted for copyvio (assuming that someone has actually found the copyvio). But perhaps these two articles here weren't from that project. The subject matter doesn't seem to fit in with any of their courses. I did, however, take the red pencil to this one which is part of the project. I notice that someone from WMF, also edited it a bit before me but missed some chunks of verbatim copying. Sigh. Voceditenore (talk) 17:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung,

I've received the "Proposal to delete" message. Understood I did not put in reference and/or source. I've done amendments to the page Yuri Masuda. Please review and tell me if there is anymore error I made.

Im sorry for causing the trouble as I'm very new to creating page in wiki. I do not want the page to be deleted so teach me about what am I doing.

Thanks Kudpung — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5zero6 (talk • contribs) 15:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Unfortunately the references you supplied are not the kind that establish notability. They only support minor details such as her pregnancy etc. The sources might not be truly reliably, as some of them rely on material that has been submitted by readers. Please click on these links and read about what we need for establishing notability, and the kind of sources that are acceptable: WP:NOTABILITY, WP:BAND, WP:BLP, and WP:RS (Wikia is of course not reliable). Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung,

Thank you for your reply. My sources were from barks.jp, and if that is not reliable enough I've added Oricon's source. Oricon must be reliable enough, I assume? Please enlighten me. The rules said at least 1 reliable source, I believe Oricon could meet the criteria, can it not?

Thanks Kudpung for taking time to explain. Looking forward to your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5zero6 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

The 'rules' that you quoted only apply to the WP:BLPPROD which is designed to give article creators more time to prevent deletion. The actual 'policies' that apply are WP:GNG, WP:BLP, a,d in this case, also WP:MUSICBIO. I know all this seems terribly complicated, and the policies are walls of text, but they must be read and understood - it's one of the downsides of being the 'encyclopedia anyone can edit'. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Get a load of this

[2]. I guess we, the community, are incompetent crackheads now; I was only just able to restrain myself from much stronger language. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:33, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, at least we now have a clear message from that WMF that they will not interfere with WP:RFA2011 and that's it's up to us to get local consensus for any reform. They have however offered to stand by with advice and technical support. It looks as if the video conferences I have been having with them on ACTRIAL have been positive in the crowsourcing they are now doing for alternative solutions. I naturally still strongly believe of course that ACTRIAL should be run, if only for the valualble feedback it would provide. The problem with enforcing the quality of new pages has to be fought on many fronts: NPP training/user right, new NPP tools, new users' rights, AfC, new article creation flow, and the Wizard, just to name but a few that are now under serious discussion. The survey I have designed may offer a lot of valuable feed back, but I have suggested, and they have agreed, that it will need a work group to develop and implement any suggestions and provide test Wikis for any software solutions. I think we need to be part of that work group, and get SW and WereSpielChequers on board too. I know SW has already helped by providing screencasts of his page patrolling, and WSC is providing mountains of feedback. I've done over 50 hours of NPP this week, not to reduce the backlog, but to gather more empirical findings. I'm unable to do a screencast for technical reasons, but I will be having a screensharing session with Ian and Steve next week. Talk to you soon :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I was going to ask how the screencast was going, as I can't seem to find the necessary technology myself; hopefully that goes well. I'll drop in on the RfA reform tomorrow sometime (I have the whole day to myself) and see what use I can be of. I've also looked over your NPP survey, and I'd like to check that out. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:16, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've spent far too many hours already following advice from Wikipedians and searching the Internet for solutions, but unfortunately I have come up with zilch. There are just no free solutions that work properly on Mac and/or my DSL connection. At the moment I'm looking into a fvree tgrial of SnapzPro, a programme I used years ago but my licence has run out and it costs $69 for a new one. Tere are plenty of free solutions for Windows. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Social Majors

Hello Kud,

Just following up with my recent deletion of "social majors". Just want some more clarification on where I "promoted" or "advertised" in my article.

My only intention is to inform viewers of "social majors" where they type into Google.

Talk to you soon.

Chao. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueternal (talk • contribs) 04:31, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm afraid it was indeed promotion or advertising. Wikipedia is not a trade directory. It was both proposed for deletion, and deleted by separate administrators. Articles of this type must meet strict criteria for insertion for companies, and must be supported by extremely reliable sources. Wikipedia cannot be used as some kind of SEO. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Reverting Changes on Grey Box Testing

HELLO I am Netra Nahar. I am student .I am having wiki editing as our academic syllabus.I read the existing data on grey box testing.But it is not sufficient and the editor of particular page not allowing anyone to explore it.So i created new article and started to explore Grey Box testing such as advantages,examples,etc.So can u help me in it rather than deleting the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Netra Nahar (talk • contribs)

Hi. No, I cannot allow you to create that article again because for one reason you only copy and rewrite content from other websites, and that is moist strictly not allowed at Wikipedia. For another reason, you have been warned about your editing before, and for another reason, you must check first to see if we already have article on the topic you want to write about. Also, Wikipedia is not a place to do homework assignments. Please ask for some advice from your Wikipedia campus ambassador. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Mail

Hello, Kudpung. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.— Rangilo Gujarati (talk) 18:21, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Steve Spinner

First, I did not remove the speedy deletion tag. Second, my sources are good. La Times, TIME, New York Times. JORGENEV 06:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

yes, they mention him, but what do they contain that asserts notability? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

from rollbacker to rollbacker, reviewer and autopatrolled

WOW, thanks! What a surprise! recently I asked for autopatrol and got told that I first had to clean up my articles before I could get it. And now, all the sudden, I get promoted!

Okay, I am not perfect. If you know articles that need work, please tell me. English is not my first language and sometimes I plain do not see what is wrong. but by pointing out the mistakes, I will be able to learn.

Thanks again for the surprise!! Night of the Big Wind _talk 09:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sugar! You made a mistake. :-( But I do not mind if you give me the right. I will not abuse them. Night of the Big Wind _talk 09:44, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sorry about the error, the page jumped back while I was doing another right. But OK, I'll make a deal with you: ask me again here personally in another couple of weeks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:48, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Nah, I will not start crying over it. But I do like it when you pinpoint weak points in my articles that need to be solved. I can learn from that. Night of the Big Wind _talk 09:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

FYI re copyvio at IEP

Re this user, unblocked 3 days ago. Today he/she created another verbatim copyvio at VACCINE MARKET AND ITS AFFORDABILITY. Sigh... Voceditenore (talk) 09:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

'Sigh...' Page deleted, and user blocked again. Oh, I hope the Indian education programme gets it right soon. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I'm an admin from India from the city where the program is being conducted. I'm trying to reduce these copyvio issues by some off-wiki explanations in classrooms. WRT this block, can the autoblocks be removed? This is primarily because this user was editing from the institute and the autoblock is affecting scores of students in the program who live in the institute hostel and are now blocked as well. Apologies if I'm making some rookie errors in understanding autoblocks - I've been inactive for a few years now. --Srikeit 13:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I understand you concern, but almost every new page that has been created as a result of the Puna initiative has been a blatant copyright violation, even by many of the ambassadors themselves, and our page patrollers can barely cope with this flood of articles. The WikiMedia Foundation has been advised about the problem, and I think it's best to wait a few days now until the ambassadors and the leaders of the project have fully understood the problem, and insist that the students In the meantime be patient, and when the block comes off, they make their articles in their userspace first. I have lived and worked in education in India and I know that copyright and plagiarism is almost a normal thing, however, at Wikipedia we take it very seriously. Please see Wikipedia talk:India Education Program for more details. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

question plz

Hello, I'm the writer for Vahid Sarlak article. I'm trying to add references to the article, but as soon as I click on Edit, the whole article disappears...what shall I do?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alljudo (talk • contribs) 16:01, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I have tested the article and I cannot find anything wrong with it. The article is proposed for deletion but this should not prevent it being edited.If the problem persists, you may wish to consider posting a message in the technical section of the Village Pump. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Online/Offline

Hi, thank you for your recent help on the MRG talk-page. I was wandering if you could point me to where the templates for "online" and "offline" are? Thank you. Jayy008 (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Please give me a link to the page you are talking about. I find any thing that corresponds. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

I think what's meant is similar to what's at the top right of User talk:The.aviation.expert --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

You need to put this JavaScript into your User:Jay008/monobook.js page (or vector, depending on what skin you are using)

Script for status changer

<!-- Status changer puts a coloured blob and label in the top bar of your user page and talk page to notify users of your online status --> //////////STATUS CHANGER // Creator: Misza13 // Credits: Voyagerfan5761 for some minor improvements // Modified by Xenocidic to simply use /Status as a one word indicator, // Modified by Kraftlos to include Sleep status // compatible with {{Statustop}} for display addOnloadHook(function (){ //Check if the config is defined if (typeof(statusChangerConfig) == 'undefined') { statusChangerConfig = {} } if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusList) == 'undefined') { statusChangerConfig.statusList = [ 'online', 'busy', 'around', 'offline', 'sleep' ]; } if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusPage) == 'undefined') { statusChangerConfig.statusPage = 'User:' + wgUserName + '/Status'; } //Add the links for (var i=0; i<statusChangerConfig.statusList.length; i++) { var stat = statusChangerConfig.statusList[i]; var message = (stat === "sleep") ? link = "asleep" : link = stat; addPortletLink( "p-personal", //target tab - personal links wgServer + wgScript + "?title=" + statusChangerConfig.statusPage + "&action=edit&newstatus=" + stat, //link URL stat, //link text "pt-status-" + stat, //id of new button "I'm " + message + "!", //hover text "", //??? document.getElementById("pt-logout")); //add before logout button } if (location.href.indexOf("&action=edit&newstatus=") == -1) return; //Are we here to auto-edit the status? //Get new status statusRegExp = /&action=edit&newstatus=(.*)/; var status = statusRegExp.exec(location.href)[1]; //Modify the form document.getElementById('wpTextbox1').value = status; if (status == "sleep") { status = "sleeping"; } document.getElementById('wpSummary').value = wgUserName + " is now " + status +"."; document.getElementById('wpMinoredit').checked = true; //Submit it! document.getElementById('editform').submit(); }); //[[Category:Wikipedia scripts|statusChanger]]

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

That really confuses me. I've had the symbol before, where it was just the "offline/online" thing without having all of that added to it. Does that way make it automatic and puts it green when I sign on? Also, sorry for the delay I haven't been on for 24 hours. Jayy008 (talk) 17:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

RfA criteria

To quote Han Solo, "looks like someone is beginning to take an interest in your handiwork" :-)

(I've mentioned the attribution issue with that copy, and that's understood, and I also mentioned the request-a-nomination page.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Editor review/Katarighe :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:57, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for the appreciation for giving me advice on giving the instructions. However, I'm going to stop this problem right away and try my best. I would appreciate in assuming good faith, but I will try some ways on setting up my own criteria. Thanks for you're help! Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 23:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

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User_talk:Fastily#Variator_.28variable_valve_timing.29

Hi Kudpung. Hope you're well. A user has contested the deletion of Variator (variable valve timing). As the editor who nominated the page for deletion, your input would be appreciated. Best, FASTILY ^(TALK) 23:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Fastily. Unless you disagree, I'm going to restore it and userfy it to Andy. He worked on it a lot earlier this year, and he will be able to parse out the copyvios using the dup detector. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Although it's probably moot now, I'm okay with the page being restored as long as it's cleaned up. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 01:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Sounds far too complicated. Why not just restore, but revdel the recent stuff? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to spend the time on it ;) I'm trying to chase all the other Indian copyvio pages. My solution is very quick, and you are familir with the article and possibly have subject knowledge. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I was finally going to restore it to the last Malcoma edit, but Danger beat me to it. We need to watch that the coyvios don't creep back in. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Backlog is low!

The backlog is at its lowest level in over a month, (21.96 days), thanks to a joint effort between me and User:ThatPeskyCommoner. Just wanted to let you know. You should focus on the newest pages now (until 0:00 UTC Tuesday) since the backlog is under control. My goal is to get the backlog under 20 days, and i understand it is about quality, not speed. Working hard, Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 01:33, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Er... Thanks for the update, but I'm constantly watching a very special NPP feedback tool that keeps me informed of how you guys are doing (and what you might be getting wrong). Don't hesitate to ask me for advice anytime, and remember: More haste, less speed. Keep up the excellent work! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Whoops. Nevermind. =) Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 01:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

How did you get "21.96 days", what tool did you use? And BTW Kudpung, I thought u were a Brit, so what are you doing in Thailand? Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 02:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

See this. :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

How did you get "21.96 days", what tool did you use? Go here and you'll see

NewPages Defcon 4
The queue at Special:NewPages is currently 22.04 days.
[graph] [report] | [NPP] [queue]

Click on graph. Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 03:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Backlog Problem

What happened to the backlog? It shows that it is going up, when I have been working? It should say The queue at Special:NewPages is currently 20.20 days, instead of 23.5 days. Help? PLEASE!!! Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 14:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. One thing is sure, new pages arrive far faster than you can sensibly patrol them.If you think there is a problem with the tool or with the site software, speak to Snottywong about it, he's the expert :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I did, but it seems he is offline currently... Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 15:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, he's very busy in RL. You've left him a message and that should be enough. bear in mind what I said though, pages arrive faster than just a handful of patrollers can cope with them. No worries, if the list goes over the top we are still logging them as unopatrolled. You could be selective and patrol the titles that look like obvious nasties. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

India Education Programme

Hi as you have said, the sentences were not exactly copied but were modified and changed.some paragraphs were copyvio's but added by some other members of india education program.the college ambassadors will take care of such copyvio'.hope you take a note once again as this is an important activity for our college acedemics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sourabhsk.mech (talk • contribs) 04:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I hope you guys are taking note and doing something about it ;) I've also pointed out that the ambassadors are also making copyvio pages. Please also read WP:TPG, use an L2 header, and sign your posts. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:19, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I was under the impression that we aren't supposed to add automated translations to articles

Kudpung, I do not speak Spanish and have no idea whether the translation by Google Translate is satisfactory. The Template {{Not English}} says "please do not add an automated translation to the article since these are generally of very poor quality". Are you telling me that what the template says is wrong? James500 (talk) 05:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. We should not use machine translations if the translation cannot easily be cleaned up into correct English. I translated it myself, then checked back in Google; the Google translation was in perfect English. In most cases, a Google translation will show what the basic content is about and we can then tag as required. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:49, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyvios and User:Examsandacademics

Hey Kudpung กุดผึ้ง, firstly accept my humble apologies for not being able to tackle this problem myself as I am the on-ground CA of this user, User:Examsandacademics. I was unfortunately out of station for the last week hence could not tackle this issue head on. Thank You very much for re-blocking this user for his continuous copyright violations. I will talk to him personally as well as talk to the faculty in-charge and make sure he does not make further copyvios. I will personally search every sentence he writes to make sure there are no copyvios before he posts on Wiki. I will also have a talk with the concerned faculty to make sure he is banned from editing in the computer lab until further notice. But I appeal to you with the humblest of request to please unblock this I.P. address as this is the college lab I.P. address. I have seen you understand the importance of this program and as you have rightly stated, there is discouragement because of all these deletion and copyvio issues. But understand it is also a pilot project, we are bound to face more problems than solutions. We have made a lot of progress also, check out Robinson Crusoe Economy which is a good article written from scratch by a user from this college and a part of IEP. I will be in touch with you over these issues more directly in the discussion page of IEP. Understand even we Ambassadors are under a lot of burden. We are trying our best but we do not succeed either. I understand the problems and view them in the gravest aspect but please try to look at the brighter side of his program. Perhaps, not all the students will make it onto main space. But if all of us can bear through the storm of Copyvios and other issues, the content that does survive on Wikipedia will be of invaluable contribution. Even we Ambassadors, learn as we go. Please do not lose heart in the program. Lets work together and resolve all these issues. We CA's are your eyes and ears on ground zero. Even we make mistakes but we learn something new from each of our mistakes and try to prevent more. These are students and I understand that you should never compromise on quality and I don't ask you to. Just possibly a bit of leniency while blocking them. Removing their articles is fine. Again these are students, they have great potential, its just it is taking us a bit more time to get through to them than we stipulated.

As for the matter in hand, please unblock the IP address from which [[User:Examsandacademics] was editing. Do not unblock him as of yet. Let me see what I can do and revert back to you as soon as possible. I assure you that all of us ambassadors part of the IEP are also taking these issues in the gravest of light. We too are very passionate about Wikipedia and don't think twice about protecting it from Copyvios or Vandalism. Just have faith in this program a bit, pilot project after all.

Debastein1 (talk) 10:38, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I share you concern (I was one of the first Wikipedia Online Ambassadors), but almost every new page that has been created as a result of the Puna initiative has been a blatant copyright violation, even by many of the ambassadors themselves, and our page patrollers can barely cope with this flood of articles. The WikiMedia Foundation has been advised about the problem, and I think it's best to wait a few days now until the ambassadors and the leaders of the project have fully understood the problem, and insist that the students In the meantime be patient, and when the block comes off, they make their articles in their userspace first.

I have lived and worked in education in India and I know that copyright and plagiarism is almost a normal thing, however, at Wikipedia we take it very seriously. Today is Sunday and it is just after lunchtime there in India. I will not unblock this IP address util I know that you and your ambassador have gathered all the students together and clearly explained how serious the problem is. When I have a solemn undertaking that it will not happen again, then I will unblock. The problem is most serious because even the ambassadors are flagrantly making coyright violations. I am very enthusiatic about the India Wikipedia programme, and I wish I could come over there and talk to the students (I am not too far away, only three-and-a-half hours by plane). I would love to come and spend a few days with you and help you all but I don't think this is possible. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I will just add that Philippe Beaudette and Maggie Denneis from the Wikimedia Foundation are having talks with User:Nitika.t, and I ,think I must wait before I unblock. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:16, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I am very happy to know that you understand the importance of this program. It means a lot to us here. As per the question of gathering the students together. I am the Campus Ambassador assigned to this class along with User:Ramshankaryadav. I will make sure that I get your message through to all the students. Even I wish you could give us a visit in order to encourage the students. Maybe something on Skype can be arranged. However, the problem is the deadlines for my college are approaching very fast. They are on the 14th of this month itself. Hence, I request you again with much urgency not to unblock the tainted user but please unblock the College Lab IP address as deserving student will also suffer. If this was just a regular IP, I wouldn't even have bothered much and just taken your opinion. But as this is the college IP, it is of high concern. Understand that it is imperative that this IP and only this IP, if you want, I'll give you the IP no. be unblocked again as this does not belong to any individual but the college. I give you my word that I am in touch with the other CA's and we are treating this matter with the highest of concerns. We are planning to not only talk directly to the students but from my side, I will go and personally talk to this user and I will not even tell you to unblock this guy until I am satisfied and until he can frame me in his own words his own article. But again, I implore to you, just unblock this IP for at least a period of few days, at least till the 14th. You may re-block it as per your wish but a temporary unblock. If you have any qualms about specific articles arising from the IEP that you find are of extremely low quality or are tainted with copyvios. Please revert to me. I shall personally go and talk to that user if the said user is under my supervision or I shall forward your qualms to the CA or OA or both who is supervising that student.

P.S. You were right about lunch time. Currently it is 20:07 in Pune, India. If possible, lift the I.P. block by 9:00 tomorrow as it will very difficult in the computer lab is offline. The students do have deadlines to meet. There is no point in punishing the whole college students, some of whom may be very deserving. As for the flooding issue. We are also trying to decrease the burden of the Online Admins but searching for copyvios ourselves, i.e. the Campus Ambassadors, check this out Wikipedia:India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Data Structures and Algorithms/Copyright Violations, Wikipedia:India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Economics of the Social Sector Year 2 Group A/Copyright Violations, Wikipedia:India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Indian Banking and Financial Systems Year 2 Group B/Copyright Violations.

--Debastein1 (talk) 14:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

To clarify here, "blocking" an IP doesn't make your computer lab offline, it doesn't even limit access to reading Wikipedia. What it does do is to stop further edits from the lab.

I can only speak personally here, not for Kudpung กุดผึ้ง or for WMF, but I would hope that the lab remains blocked and does not make any further edits until this is resolved. The work coming from the lab is just not acceptable here - I've read a lot of it, and it all consists of either copyvios or else very poor work, but I've really seen pretty much nothing that is of acceptable quality. It is not worth damaging the encyclopedia to let this stuff through. If your course requires that these edits are made before some deadline, then you need to fix your course instead - there is no educational value in work of this quality, whether it's done on the WMF's servers, or within the college itself. Teaching has to be better than this, if it's to be worthy of the name. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)- I'm sorry, but I'm not unblocking this IP until I hear back from the bosses at the WMF. It's not just about this user, it's about dozens of them who are producing copyvios, and adding copyvio material to existing articles. Even your ambassadors don't understand that in Western countries and under USA law we take copyright violations and plagiarism very seriously indeed. And even the consultant has been telling students how to evade their blocks. Yesterday I wrote to every one of your 40 ambassadors and it took me a long time. Please understand that there are no deadlines here at Wikipedia for new articles. If you have made a deadline for your students' work that is most unfortunately not our problem. Wikipedia is not an experimental place for doing homework. If you have Skype video I'm more than happy to discuss this with you. -Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

So I have checked out all the lists you have provided. The big problem is that these are just lists of candidates (and ambassadors) who have made copyvios - and it's only the tip of the iceberg. You haven't even given them the proper warnings. They will not listen to you or believe you if you don't warn them and teach them properly. I know the problems, I have lived and taught in India. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey Kudpung/Andy!

Guys, first of all I would like to clear that we are not promoting any kind of plagiarism and yes we know the importance of quality, we are doing our bit and reaching out to Students/Faculty/Directors and telling them about the gravity of this situation. We have already sent a very serious message that our community is not going to tolerate this, and I'm happy that you guys are doing what's required.

Regarding the blocking of IP, guys what we are suggesting is to block the user instead of IP, coz there are students who don't have computer/laptop/internet of their own and they use internet in college to write their articles and if you block the IP you are not only blocking the bad guys, but also lot of folks who have done no wrong, and these folks are putting sincere effort to writer articles. Our point is simply block the user coz user, We have given the list of user ids to Faculty, which means if this guy(bad) is blocked he's going to get penalized for his mistakes and that's okay. I once again request you to think through it, and try to understand our situation. Instead of fighting for problems let's focus on fixing it!

Regarding deadlines, folks the point of Wikipedia Education program is to institutionalize Wikipedia editing, I'm sure you know the issue of saturating editorship, what we are trying to achieve here is to create a new generation of editors. Deadlines being part of the curriculum is used as a tool for article creation, using them the students are evaluated. The evaluation or marks are the incentive to increase the editorship. The model works pretty well but has it's trade-offs and we are dealing with them now.

Guys we need your support to make this program a success, let's come together and fix the prevailing issues. Please put yourself in our shoes and think for a while how we can fix these issues and guide us if we are not doing what is supposed to be done.

Looking forward to your response on this.

Cheers,

16:30, 9 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramshankaryadav (talk • contribs)

There isn't really much we can do from here, we're already very busy patrolling the pages your students are making and tht's something you could be doing yourselves. You should make a note in your watchlists of all the students' user names and check their edits each time one shows up on your watchlist page. You guys are there in real life and able to address the students personally in the classroom. I'm really sorry but we are not convinced by your request because the very ambassadors who are supposed to be leading this programme are unfortunately not making articles correctly either. If they were to spend less time sending each other kittens and cookies, perhaps the students would take things more seriously too. I have not seen one single proper warning on the talk pages of those students you listed - so with my knowledge of education in India, I know those students won't take you seriously. This block will send a serious message to them all, and I'll repeat that if you set deadlines for work to be done on Wikipedia, that's really your problem and not ours. I'm waiting for an answer from the WMF, if they are happy for me to undo this block, then of course I will - but don't forget that over there in America, the weekend has just started. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

An offer

I will make this suggestion. It will help our patrollers to keep an eye out for the wrong kind of new pages and edits, and it will help us to step in with help for your students if they need it. However, the responsibility lies with you, the ambassadors - we cannot bend the rules for your students, and they will be warned, deleted, or blocked, according to Wikipedia policy if they have not listened to you:

• Please provide a complete list of the user names of all the students and ambassadors on this programme who will be editing from the school IP.
• Let us have this list by 10 am tomorrow, Monday, your time
• I will unblock the IP
• Blocked users will stay blocked
• Users must prepare new articles in thei sandboes or user sub pages
• The ambassadors must watch the work of the students and check for pages that are created but where an article already exists, pages that contain sentences taken from other sources, pages that are not referenced correctly.
• We will watch the work of all those students and ambassadors and they will be warned for violations of policy and blocked if necessary
• We will make small edits and corrections to the new pages, but we will tag them for attention (or deletion) in the normal way

I think that is a very fair solution, but I will remind you that if we have to block one more student, the IP might be blocked again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:30, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey Kudpung!

First of all I don't agree with your statements like "..that's your problem" regarding the deadlines, buddy we are just like you, working voluntarily for the success of this project. Deadlines concept was invented by the forefathers of this program and we CAs only adhere it, and yes we very well know the importance of it.

Regarding your offer, first of all thanks for it, the timeline you have given is not practical, it's 12:16 AM here in India and I'm not going to wake up and prepare a list for you for sure, but I can promise give me a couple of days and I'll surely give it to you!

One more thing, regarding the "Cookies" and "Kittens", we encourage our CAs to do that to bring people to wikipedia and encourage their contributions, the folks we are dealing with are of Facebook era and it takes some effort from our side to show the fun part of it, if you don't like it, I don't mind, but it doesn't mean we are not serious about this program, we are as serious as you guys are.

One last think, all you are doing by blocking the IPs is not just preventing folks from editing who have done no harm to it, but also giving a chance to bad folks to hinder the whole program, in fact you are somehow supporting them.

I also didn't like the way you said your last statement..."if we have to block one more student, the IP...", buddy I really thought you understand the situation, it's not possible for a handful of CAs to control 1000+ students, but if you do that we'll be back to square one.

Don't take anything personal, both of us share the same vision of free knowledge and we belong to the same community, and it's time to come together and help each other rather than pointing fingers.

Cheers,

Ram (talk • contribs) 19:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Kudpung/Andy,

I understand your viewpoints but like Ram stated, instead of just discussing the problems, it is necessary to come up with a solution as this project is not just a project falling under Wikipedia Schools and Universities, but it is one supported by the Foundation and is an official and authentic program, same as that launched by the USA. Understand that we understand the extent of what Copyvio and Plagiarism in the USA. As for the context that all the articles coming out are of low quality, I would recommend you to see the contribs of the following articles and if at all that might give you a bit more hope about the program.

• UML-based web engineering
• UML extension mechanisms
• Automotive design
• Central Government Health Scheme
• Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission
• Pulse Polio
• 2007–present recession in the United States
• Debt of developing countries
• Environmental resources management
• Land acquisition in India
• Human capital
• Social preference
• Socio-economic issues in India
• Credit Control
• Innovations in Indian Banking System

And not to forget the star performer from the IEP,

• Robinson Crusoe Economy

And not only have these articles come into effect in a short span of time, but most of the users initially were blocked by admins for copyvios. But instead of just blocking and threatening them, the admins, decided to help them along. And along with the CA's, OA's and the admins, these articles remain on Main space still. I myself am very new to Wikipedia and I understand the concept and seriousness of copyvios. Its very important to stop the bad people. But you should never discourage the good people.

As per Wikipedia:Blocking policy,

Blocks should not be punitive,

Blocks should not be used:

1. in retaliation against users; (you have blocked the IP because the user in question has not stopped plagiarism. Block the user, why do you block the whole IP. Do you have proof that all the users editing from this IP are conducting repeat copyvios?)

2. to disparage other users; (here you can never block an IP saying the contributions are worthless, as per policy. If the contibs are valid, you have to allow them.

3. as punishment against users, or, (you are punishing other users, but blocking their right and freedom to edit on Wiki..You are not just blocking one said user but loads of them, again against policy)

Administrators should take special care when dealing with new users. Beginning editors are often unfamiliar with Wikipedia policy and convention, and so their behavior may initially appear to be disruptive. Responding to these new users with excessive force can discourage them from editing in the future. See Wikipedia:Do not bite the newcomers.

Block lengths

Blocks should be based on the protection of Wikipedia rather than the punishment of offenders. Most IP addresses should not be blocked more than a few hours, since the malicious user will probably move on by the time the block expires. If there is persistent disruption or vandalism from an IP address, the block should be extended (with the 'anon-only' option selected) as long as is necessary to prevent further disruption. (Hence, understand that by blocking the IP, you will not be preventing this user from creating more copyvios, he can just go to a cyber cafe or something if he so wishes. But what you will be doing is discouraging other students.) See Wikipedia:Blocking IP addresses for more.

Shared IP addresses

Before implementing a long-term block on an IP address with a long history of vandalism, please check if it is shared by performing a WHOIS and Reverse DNS lookup query on the IP address to determine if it belongs to a school or an ISP. If a Shared IP address' talk page is not already identified or tagged as such, use either the {{SharedIP}}, {{Shared IP edu}}, or any one of the templates at Category:Shared IP header templates to do so. For anonymous-only blocks of Shared IP Addresses, please consider using {{anonblock}} or {{schoolblock}} as your blocking reason as it causes less offence to innocent users. (We are telling you that this is a college IP. Block anonymous users from editing if you must, but don't discourage the ones who want to do good.)

As per the information you requested it is already available at Wikipedia:India Education Program. Please, let us come together and try to come out with a solution rather than resolve to just threatening by blocking. Especially Kudpung, you are an OA yourself. Please help us in this regard. We also want to protect Wikipedia but that doesn't mean we discourage contributions in fear of Copyvios. If its Copyvios, remove it and penalize the specific student, we are already working on that. Why uselessly penalize all the students who might end up with good contribs that improve Wikipedia.

Regards, Debastein1 (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Thankyou for your explanation of basic Wikipedia policy.

Another principle at WP is called "Other stuff exists" or WP:OSE. This means that issues are examined on the basis of their own scope and overall policy & practice, not by extension from other articles. : So the issue remains that the engineering project here has demonstrably been rife with problems and unblocking depends on showing that these can be protectively avoided in the future.

Is there an issue here that is specific to engineering? Engineering seems to have had the most problems, CompSci to have had some lesser issues with acceptable articles that were perhaps more suitable for Wikibooks, rather than Wikipedia. Yet Economics in contrast seems to have fared better. If Robinson Crusoe is so good, does that have a reason behind it that we can discover and learn from? Were the economics articles produced by students with some different pre-briefing or supervision structure?

As to the exemplar articles listed, I took a look at a few of them. UML-based web engineering and UML extension mechanisms are sadly far from good articles, mostly for being composed of phrases pasted together with little concern for the end result. Can anyone honestly read these and claim to understand the topic afterwards? I have some decades of experience with UML and similar modelling techniques, yet still found them almost entirely unreadable. I don't wish to make any more detailed comment, as my time is limited, but these are hardly "good" articles. Automotive design is rather better and certainly more readable - yet a moment's checking shows that it was written months ago, before this college project, and the only addition since is this short addition - an addition that once again is very poorly written and adds nothing to the overall article. It is inaccurate, or at least outdated (how many automobiles still use a chassis?), and misses the whole point of the article - it's a description of the components of the overall assembly, not any sort of design process. It also has that "signature" of recent articles, the numbered list of fragmentary points that has all too often been an indication of copy & paste. I cannot claim that this is a copyvio, I simply don't have the time to check this to the levels of proof that I'm required to meet, but this is not a positive or useful addition to the article. If it wasn't for the risk of again being accused of punitive editing, I would remove the section. Wishing to check further I looked at Human capital and found that this too was a good article, but that had achieved that state some months ago and doesn't appear to have been changed at all in the scope of this project.

Blocking is out of my hands - I have no powers here, as a mere peon. I would hope though that the block is not lifted until after the underlying issue is addressed. "We have a right" and "We have a deadline" are neither issues that WMF should ever prioritise over the basic bottom-line quality we all have to maintain. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Reply from Kudpung

It's 6 am and I'm back at my office here in Udon Thani. During the night I have discussed this problem with the WMF who have already been taking the situation very seriously. They will be having a meeting with the controllers of the India programme today (but remember that America is many hours behind us).

The offer to you has been based on:

• Avoiding doing anything that puts the encyclopedia at risk
• Doing something that encourages editors to undersgtand basic policy and the five pillars of Wikipedia
• Doing something that discourages editors from contributing to the encyclopedia
• Wikipedia is a work in progress, - there are no deadlines for new articles
• The automated bot for tracing copyvios in new pages is broken
• The English Wikipedia dos not currently have the capacity of volunteers to patrol all pages that might come from your IP - not enough new page patrollers
• This {{IEP assignment}} banner may encourage other Wikipedians to devote some time to improving the articles, but it will have no effect on the administrative decisions. The same rules for reversion, deletion, and blocking apply to everyone and no exceptions can be made.

The offer you have been made is a fair one. If you can't get the information out to the students and ambassadors or send me the list of users names of students by 10 am your time, that's fine - we can wait until you do. I will be at my computer all day today and I will unblock the IP as soon as you have the details. You can of course wait until the WMF has had their meeting with the organisers of the India programme, but that will take a little longer. Please understand that we cannot make any exceptions to Wikipedia policy. To do so would set a precedent and would put the content of our encyclopedia at risk. You may wish to point the sudents and tha ambassadors oat one of the Five Pillars of Wikipedia:

Wikipedia is free content that anyone can edit, use, modify, and distribute.: Respect copyright laws, and do not plagiarize your sources. Non-free content is allowed under fair use, but strive to find free alternatives to any media or content that you wish to add to Wikipedia. Since all your contributions are freely licensed to the public, no editor owns any article; all of your contributions can and will be mercilessly edited and redistributed.

I appreciate that a few new articles have not been deleted, and I thank Andy Dingley for his input. If you have any urgent questions, I am available all day and you are welcome to video-call me. For your further information:

• UML-based web engineering I have detected over 77 possibly paraphrased or copied sentences but the article not yet fully checked for more. I am now checking the other articles.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you KudPung for making that banner, I will make sure that I put it up on the Wikipedia Articles which my students are editing. Another thing, can you ensure I do not get banned for that, because if I put this banner up on like 10+ articles that will lead some of the admins to think that this is vandalism. Mihir.khatwani (talk) 06:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

More possible copyright violations

College of Engineering Pune.: UML extension mechanisms: close paraphrasing of www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/ucacwxe/lectures/3C05-02.../aswe15-essay.pdf

Automotive designvery minor contribution by user:Poojanemade. This Wikipedia article was created in 2005. Unattributed use of the complete Wikipedia article by executivemodcartrendz.com/Replica-Car-About-Us.html

Central Government Health Scheme This Wikipedia article was created in 2005.. Significantly edited by User:Devikakannan possible copies of text from http://www.ovguide.com/central-government-health-scheme-9202a8c04000641f8000000000778cf7# and mohfw.nic.in/.../l892s/Chapter14medical%20relie-51096836.pdf

mohfw.nic.in/.../l892s/Chapter14medical%20relie-51096836.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Facilities of outpatient care in all systems and emergency services in Allopathic system, free supply of necessary drugs, lab and radiological investigations, domiciliary visits to the seriously ill patients, specialists consultation both at the dispensary and hospital level, family welfare services, treatment in specialized hospitals, ...

Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission This Wikipedia article was created in 2005. Significantly edited by User:Debastein1 Content includezs a block of 2032 words and a block of 982 words from http://www.enotes.com/topic/Jawaharlal_Nehru_National_Urban_Renewal_Mission and a blocks of 2032 words and http://www.slideshare.net/sarangvk/indian-economy-2030-mgi-report

2007–present recession in the United States possible copy of text from http://www.scribd.com/doc/7480461/US-Recession-and-Its-Impact-on-India, but tis PowerPopint may have copied text from Wikipedia.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion on established article

Kudpung, I'm having difficulties with an editor who is trying to speedy delete an article, Aziz Shavershian, under the fact that the person has no notability --- the article is clearly established, and this user is just doing so cause a fuss...please take a look, asap! Thank you! -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 11:25, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Being established doesn't make an article exempt from speedy deletion. But that article isn't eligible for A7 anyway, given the assertions it makes in the lead and the sources it has to back them up. The angry IP address will just have to take it to AfD. Don't bother edit warring with them to take off notability tags or even speedy tags. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Other than the string of vandalism-edits this article has been getting, since it was made, the article itself is fully referenced, and passes notability - 11 / 19 sources are from mainstream news outlets (Ninemsn, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Daily Telegraph, NowPublic) - Now even though this article cops a lot of vandalism, this speedy del. template has just guttered me. I know the Ip who's made those 3 edits (adding the sp del on the article multi. times) had done it intentionally, it still makes me think that I'm not appreciated here. I've tried so hard with this article, really - just to get slapped with a speedy deletion tag. Do I ignore it? or take it further? -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 12:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

It's rarely easy or constructive to take things further with IP addresses (and it looks like this guy is changing IP every half hour anyway). If it's blatant vandalism and it continues, requesting semi-protection for the article at WP:RFPP would probably be the best option. But you're taking it too personally. If the speedy tag stays, an admin sees it and should decline it. If the admin goes bananas for some reason and doesn't decline it, then we go to WP:DRV. All of this can be fixed easily enough, since the article is clearly not deleteable under A7, and (as far as I can see) clearly demonstrates notability, to the extent an AfD would close as Keep. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Made me feel a lot more calm about things, Thank You. WP:RFPP, I think would actually be the best thing to do, for the article. I swear I need to take things a little less seriously, and tell myself it's just an article, just an article.Thank you! -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 12:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I've semi-protected the page for two weeks. If persists after then, let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Kudpung! I just saw the protection now - trusting me to request something, I probably would have asked for the wrong thing, or just something wouldn't have worked out. Anyway thank you very much! the both of you, truly appreciate it. -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 12:25, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

My Article about me got deleted ~~

Hello my Name Is Fawaz Ibrahim i am currently going to be a star, im in the making sort of. Im just wondering why did my article get deleted ? and how can i bring it back ?

Sincerely Fawaz Irahim11:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by FawazIbrahim (talk • contribs)

My suggestion is that you finish becoming a star first, and once you've done that, write your article at WP:Articles for Creation, starting with details of the independent reliable sources (newspapers and magazines are good) that have given significant coverage to your stardom.

Better still, when you become a star, someone else will write an article about you! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I should also have mentioned, if you need a copy of your deleted article to work on, then Kudpung can probably provide one, if you ask. But the article can't be published until you can demonstrate significant coverage in indepedent reliable sources. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

It's rather a nice page and it's a shame in fact that it can't be kept, but we do have our rules about notability. In the meantime however, as you now know how to make pages, perhaps you would like to try hand at making a page about something truly notable - preferably in your user space first where it won't be deleted , and fully referenced of course. There's plenty of help available :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP and CAs.

Hello User:Kudpung once again, as other CAs along with me are following couple of issues since past few days, we have been monitoring couple of talk pages, and your's and everyone else's message to handle the situation. So we wanted to know that which all Campus Ambassador's page have been deleted under copyvio, so that we can get in touch with them again and clear their doubts pertaining to Wikipedia:Copyrights. I am aware that you are already under much burden, but it would be great if you could point those CAs now if possible. Thanks. Rangilo Gujarati (talk) 13:38, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

All 40 ambassadors have already been contacted with a request to be aware of the situation, and linked to the relative discussion pages.

Hi Kudpung!

I second Rangilo's thoughts, once we have the list of CA's who are not aware of it, we'll reach out and fix this issue asap. Please be kind to provide the list asap. Cheers, Ram (talk • contribs) 13:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

All 40 ambassadors have already been contacted with a request to be aware of the situation, and linked to the relative discussion pages. They will know if their pages have been deleted or tagged for deletion. The problems are now being discussed by the WMF. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:45, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Requesting Help

Hi Kudpung, You recently nominated my article 'Darjeeling TeaXpress' for speedy deletion. Could you please give me pointers on how to ensure that is is not. I am not in any way affiliated with the company. I tried my best to ensure it's neutrality. Can you give me any assistance? Thank you.

Looking forward to your reply, Nicholas.

Hi Nicholas. I'm afraid that although it's neutral, it's still advertising because Wikipedia is not a trade directory, and your company does nor meet our criteria for notability. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

talkback

Hello, Kudpung. You have new messages at Mrmatiko's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Reply

Sorry I missed your talkbacks, haven't been on in a while. I replied above! Jayy008 (talk) 20:07, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm gone again now for another 24 hours, or maybe a little less. I will reply as soon as I return. Jayy008 (talk) 20:13, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Equestria Daily

A new deletion review has been created regarding an article you've recently discussed. Dr. WTF (talk) 20:27, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

dom&nic page

Hi Kudpung

Thanks for your message. Yes I had seen the dom and nic page and thought it was a little empty and missing a few facts. I am Dom Hawley from dom and nic, so I tried to improve the info about us. I admit that I am completely new to wikipedia editing and therefore jumped in a little too quickly it seems. I have learned a lot in the last week and understand why it is probably not a good idea to edit pages about ones self for obvious COI issues. I did however created the dom&nic page in good faith. Not understanding how things work I didn't want to mess with an article that someone else had started. I realise that is a rather dumb now as working on existing pages is exactly how wikipedia works! (in a good way). I just wanted to add some stuff to proceedings as I obviously know a lot of stuff first hand that would probably never make it to the article otherwise all of which is verifiable with references (if you know what you are looking for). I am fully aware dom&nic do not have that great a notoriety compared with Stephen Spielberg for example and therefore there will be limited interest and limited knowledge amongst the editors out there about us. We have however done lots of work with lots of talented and notable artists and organisations. Anyway I think it would be good if the pages were merged (not sure how that happens). I do appreciate the work of yourself and other wikipedia editors out there. It is an amazing resource and I am going to try and lend my services in areas that I have knowledge about but no vested interest in! Kind regardsDomley (talk) 21:09, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dom. We'll let the AfD run it's course. I have added a comment that I think merging would be a good idea. If the consensus is for moving and not for deletion, the closing admin might make the move. If not please let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

CSD

Hello Kudpung, I've been tagging a few articles for G12, but there's an admin going around blanking all the copyvios that I've tagged. If this person's actions are valid, why should CSD need G12? BTW, for A9, I tried my best to understand it, and when I saw an article about a song (as opposed to the confusing "musical recording"), whose creator didn't have an article, I placed it up for SD. Please understand that I'm only in the business for less than a month, and I'm still learning. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 22:31, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

My understanding (and remember I do this less than you do :P) is that if an article is unsalvageable after removing the copyvio material, then that's when G12 is applicable. So if it just doesn't make any sense at all after removing the copyvio, even as a stub ("Bob Smith is a conductor from Brazil. He was worked with the Funky Fresh Philharmonic Orchestra") then it's G12. But if it's still remotely useable as an article, then it's not G12.

A9 is still not for songs... even despite our culture's apparent inability to understand, define, or remember the difference between a song, a performance and a recording. And yeah, I find it confusing too. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

This may be a tall order, but can you give me some examples of where people have been unable to differentiate between 'song' as in a song that is anchored in culture and perhaps covered by multiple artists (historical folk songs, school songs, famous songs by the Beatles whos today's generations don't even know who recorded them first), and songs that are one track on one artist's/band's recorded media. (tape, MP3, CD, DVD, vivyl, etc.). This may be impotratant for the people who are developing tools and tutorials for NPP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP Student List

Hello KudPung, I was going through your talk page and saw that you requested RAM for a list of students in IEP. I have prepared a list of the students in my class. LIST. Mihir.khatwani (talk) 06:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this, Mihir. Do you know if there are other classes concerned? What about all the students with 'tech' or 'mech' in their names? I also do not see User:Aishvora on the list for example. How about the list of ambassadors, can you get me that too? Everything you can do will help. Many thanks indeed. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Aishvora is not in the COAM class that is why his/her name is not present.Yes we have a list of Campus Ambassadors easily Available I will make a list of them as well and post. BTW all the CA names and usernames are available on WP:IEP and then the Campus Ambassador Tab. Mihir.khatwani (talk) 11:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

How many classes and faculties are involved in this project in Pune? Do they have classrooms/lecture rooms equipped with overhead projectors or IA whiteboards? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Do you have an idea why User:Aniketam.mech is not on the list? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:15, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

And User talk:Sujeetsalunke93.mech who is now damaging our featured Articles? Why are they not affected by the IP block? Do you have any idea? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Welding

The inevitable now seems to be happening. 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 16:20, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

yep - somthing else to talk about at the conference tonight! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:34, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) What a mess! As if the WMF doesn't have their head buried far enough in the sand (as I pointed out to Maryana elsewhere); I'm not entirely sure what they thought was going to happen here. I've helped in the cleanup of some Indian village articles written by Indian editors, and I could have seen this coming from miles away. I've gotten to be fairly good at tracking down copyright issues, and I have a feeling that might be a useful talent here; I'm not an ambassador, but I'd be happy to try to help out in some form. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:40, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Templates and such

Since we've been discussing warning templates on MediaWiki.org, I thought I'd let you know that the third round of templates we'll be A/B testing this week are up on-wiki:

1. {{uw-test1-rand}}
2. {{uw-delete1-rand}}
3. {{uw-npov1-rand}}
4. {{uw-unsor1-rand}}
5. {{uw-error1-rand}}
6. {{uw-blank1-rand}}
7. {{uw-spam1-rand}}
8. {{uw-bio1-rand}}
9. {{uw-attack1-rand}}

We're in contact with Addshore, and the Huggle devs in general are aware of the tests. Based on the last two tests, we'll get statistically significant amounts of application in about a week. If you have any comments or questions, I'm watching the respective template talk pages. Just for reference, our last results and thoughts on next steps are here. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 23:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Steve. I'm not affected by this because Huggle is not available to the thousands of Mac users. I'm more concerned with rewording templates to lower the bite for good faith new editors, and to make the vandals understand that we don't tolerate gratuitous interference with the encyclopedia. For the work I'm currently engaged on, where Twinkle is an essential tool, I would prefer to see more development on rewording some of our current uw templates - which I had already started doing - from the point of view of the people who receive the warnings rather than from that of those who write them, and the patrollers who use them. AFAICS, uw template development is generally discussed by a very small interest group, who do not appear to appreciate the comments from, or be helpful to, those who are not regular participants to their discussions. There are three essential ingredients to template design: Knowledge of human communication, knowledge of php., and an understanding of the reasons for the uw templates and the people who receive them. What discussion pages are you watching? There are several.

That said, you may be interested in looking through these two pages:

• User:Kudpung/Custom talk page messages
• User:Kudpung/My frequently used tags & templates.

These pages were originally designed for my own use and have not been communicated to anyone yet, so their format may not readily be understood by many.(talk) 00:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I meant the talk pages of the individual templates, if you had feedback about their content. Thank you for pointing us to your personal documentation on this issue -- it's most helpful! Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 01:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Quick question on Citation.

Hi Kudpung, I recently added an article "Jenny Wheeler", which I was told that it will be deleted because correct references/citation could not be found. I have the clippings of news papers from 1988 and 1994. is it possible to upload those scans of newspapers somewhere so the correct references can be cited. Appreciate your help. I am still learning to find my way around Wikipedia. Thanks heaps SamKamani (talk) 04:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Sam. The best place to seek advice on this is with the experts at the Reliable sources noticeboard. Happy editing! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Cartoon Phase

Hi, I am working on fixing the issue and adding some sources, please give me some time, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwin lo (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you have a history of creating inappropriate pages. You will have seven days to improve this one according to policy. Good luck! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that is perfect. I understand where you're coming from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwin lo (talk • contribs) 10:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

All you really need to do is follow the links in the welcome message on your talk page, and the links in the various other notices and you'll be fine. The main thing to bear in mid is that the subject must be notable and all information must be sourced. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:41, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Additional note: Another admin has now deleted this as an obvious hoax, and you have been given a final warning about creating inappropriate pages. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:14, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

dom&nic Merge

Hi Kudpung

Thanks the pages have been merged. Best regardsDomley (talk) 11:39, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Advice

Thanks for your advice - I've opted in. Cloudbound (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

India Education Program Students list for SSE

Hi Kudpung!

I've created a page for the list of students in Symbiosis School of Economics, the institute whose IP got banned by you. You can see the users at following link:

WP:India Education Program/Students

I would like to thank you for unblocking the IP.

Cheers,

Ram (talk • contribs) 15:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

screencasts

Hi Kudpung! If you have a Mac, the easiest way to make screencasts is to use Quicktime, which (only on OS X) has a built-in screen recording feature. For Linux, the best thing I've found is GTK-recordmydesktop. I know a lot of people use Camtasia for Windows (and for Mac, if you want more advanced options), and I think it's free within a trial period but costs a moderate amount after that. Hope that helps.--ragesoss (talk) 02:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for this. I naturally know about Q-Time but AFAIK only Q-Time Pro does this and it has to be paid for. I'll be looking into the others. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung. You don't need Q-time Pro. Screen recording is the third option on the File menu (in my version anyway). If you have Snow leopard or Leopard (not Lion) you can use VLC Player as well. — Oli ^OR Pyfan! 10:43, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you enormously Oli! I must be either completely dumb or just getting too old - I've been using Snow Leopard since it was released and never noticed. Q-Time recordings work perfectly - you've no idea what a big problem you've solved for me. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

You're Welcome. :) — Oli ^OR Pyfan! 11:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Patroller list

Kudpung, per your request please see Wikipedia:New pages patrol/patrollers/10+ for a list of editors who have marked at least 10 articles as patrolled since January 1, 2011. —SW— ^chatter 22:24, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Moshik Roth

Hello, as a fellow administrator in the Hebrew wikipedia I was surprised to see the speedy deletion on this article. As I am not so familiar with the English wikipedia could you please explain the reason for the speedy deletion mark. Thank you and a happy Sukkot! --Yoavd (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. The page has several issues. Firstly, it's not clear if it is about the person or about his restaurants. In either case, we're very strict here on requiring adequate establishment of WP:NOTABILITY which must meet our criteria for WP:BLP (living persons) or WP:ORG for companies. Both must meet general notability at WP:GNG The fact that he got 32 Mitchelin stars may mean that he is notable, but it must be asserted by sufficient press coverage in WP:RELIABLE SOURCES. If you can meet these criteria, it would be fine,, so I have removed the CSD and convert ited to a PROD. That will give you 7 days to find reliable sources. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Yoavd (talk) 05:53, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Use of PRODBLP

Hi!

I saw that you nominated Victoriano López García for deletion using PRODBLP. As it happened, the article was deleted as it was a copyright violation of this page - the text was copied in its entirety. Did you mean to use the PRODBLP tag on it, as the article did point out that the subject was dead? Stephen! ^Coming... 16:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...,Obviously a very rare slip of a mouse. The stub did not carry the obvious signs of copyvio so I did not do a Google search and Duplication Detector on it. I'm mainly concerned with BLPs and Adverttising, which I generally delete with out bothering to tag when I find uncontroversially blatant copyvio, for example, or a child's autobio. . No spilt milk. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:52, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Mouse slips - the curse of Wikipedians everywhere! Only the other day I accidentally gave the reason for deleting a page as G11 (spam) instead of G10 (attack). As for the above article, I wouldn't have noticed it as copyvio except someone had tagged it as such for speedy. Cheers for pointing me in the direction of those tools - I'll check them out when I get a few spare minutes. Stephen! ^Coming... 10:46, 14 October 2011 (UTC)