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There is nothing political about it. I created a section devoted to the Brookhaven name and areas it can be applied to. The info you had on there didn't belong in the first paragraph.--Mmann1988 (talk) 02:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I see what you are saying. I edited it to get rid of the past tense. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Seems like we have similar editing interests and our paths keep crossing. Cheers! --Mmann1988 (talk) 05:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Cobb County Template/East Cobb
Hey there. Please join the discussion on the template's talk page of why East Cobb should be included. One editor (Nyttend) who is not even from Atlanta or familiar with it won't let East Cobb on there because he says it doesnt exist (?). Wikipedia is not a dictatorship, and thus he doesnt get the final say. Thanks for your help! East Cobb deserves to be on the template, and I think many of its citizens would agree.--Mmann1988 (talk) 22:51, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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Greetings, both Midtown and Buckhead and "districts," including several neighborhoods.
Midtown has generally been defined as between Monroe Drive on the East, Howell Mill Road on the West, I-85/I-75 on the North, and the southern Boundary has varied...some say to North Avenue, but the Midtown Alliance defined it all the way to Ralph McGill Blvd so to as include the "SoNo" area. However, here's probably the easiest boundary definition, as defined by the Atlanta Police Department:
While boundaries may be a quibble, most agree that Buckhead and Midtown, like "Downtown," are more than just neighborhoods.Ryoung12200:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
To update the conversation on my talk page from May 2011 (you left it unsigned), Midtown can be both the original neighborhood and a district. I note that Buckhead is considered a district (for zoning purposes) and is subdivided into smaller neighborhoods such as Brookwood, North Buckhead, etc. While none of this is ever going to be 100% satisfactory/agreeable to everyone, I think the best scheme for Atlanta is to recognize the relatively unique configuration of the "Downtown, Midtown, and Buckhead" business districts and to consider these as larger than "neighborhoods". Indeed, "Downtown" Atlanta can include smaller divisions such as Fairlie-Poplar (although that's called a "district"!).Ryoung12220:21, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Unincorporated communities in Metro Atlanta
Consensus has established that only actual populated places, not regions of counties or strips of land along roads, belong on these templates. Not all unincorporated areas are included: only those that are actual self-contained communities, and for this reason we don't include new housing developments. In short, you're right — consensus has established that longstanding settled areas are the only ones generally acceptable. Nyttend (talk) 22:48, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
The apparent sock puppetry is because: my username Keizers is taken on another language Wikipedia. I was accidentally still logged in under the username that I (must) use on the other language Wikipedia. It was a simple accident.Keizers (talk) 13:41, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, you're still in violation of our policies yet again. When you won't listen to consensus that your articles don't belong on these templates, and when you use multiple accounts without acknowledgement, there's no point to arguing. Nyttend (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I told you — actual established populated places, unlike these areas that you insist on adding. Kindly stop beating a dead horse. Nyttend (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
The horse is not dead, the horse is correct categorization according to the consensus on what an unincorporated community is. I have to stand up for the truth and for correct categorization.Keizers (talk) 14:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
FYI on East Cobb
I have taken the East Cobb and Buford Highway issues to the administrator complaint page, and you were mentioned (under the derogatory term "meat puppet").
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Before I protected I looked at the refs in the old version of the article diff and saw only three references. One of them did not seem to me to be a reliable source - see here. One only mentioned street addresses on Buford Highway - see here. Only one seemed valid and WP:NN calls for multiple reliable independent (third-party) sources, so I protected the current version for 2 weeks to give some time to try and sort things out. I took a brief look at the sources you posted on my talk page and it may be that this does meet notability requirements. I do note that the USGSGNIS does not list any populated places under Buford Corridor or Buford Highway or Buford anything in DeKalb County, which is the first place I check. Would it be possible to work on the article in a sandbox and then take a look at it? That way it could be a work in progress, but not subject to the immediate notability requirements of being in article space. Ruhrfisch><>°°02:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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I didnt realize you had moved it earlier. However, maps refer to it with a slash. So does the neighborhood sign. Morningside-Lenox Park uses a slash. If you feel strongly, you can move it back. I tire of having everything I do (and I do A LOT in the Atlanta portal) second-guessed.--Mmann1988 (talk) 19:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
No worries I had to to allow me to write about the defunct Hemphill Avenue neighborhood - I like to document all the forgotten places in AtlantaKeizers (talk) 01:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me, but I am getting very tired of having to include other racial groups on the Atlanta page that you keep trying to exclude. It is very disconcerting to me that you feel that opinions such as Atlanta being a "black mecca" (a title shared by DC and NYC) should take priority over other opinions. Please, please, PLEASE go to your local library and read the Atlanta entry on the World Book Encyclopaedia. This is what the article is striving for, yet your edits always take it the opposite direction.--Mmann1988 (talk) 17:21, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't know what you're referring to. I didn't remove information about other ethnic groups, I only added information about Atlanta being a black mecca and that this is a primary defining characteristic of the city. Certainly as important as the growth of the city's Hispanic and Asian populations and as important as the nickname "city in a forest". I documented this importance as well. In my opinion you don't like the addition of any material having to do with African Americans.Keizers (talk) 18:18, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
How dare you label me a "anti-black." You're the racist. You want the article to be about black Atlantans to the point that the article is about black Atlantans, not Atlanta. Tonight I will be getting administrators involved so the page can be locked and your agenda can be halted.--Mmann1988 (talk) 18:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
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I don't appreciate you sladering me on other user's talk pages. Just because you hate Hispanic people and think black people are superior to them does not give you ANY right to put me down like that. I hope you know you have lost an ally.--Mmann1988 (talk) 00:34, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Keizers. I'd like to revert the page The A to Atlanta since this is apparently the only significant use of the term. You say that this is not a disambiguation page but if it's not then what exactly is it supposed to be? It certainly isn't an article since "The A" doesn't constitute a legitimate object of encyclopedic study and in its current form it's beginning to look like a bunch of external links and loosely associated topics and that falls in the category of what Wikipedia is not. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 16:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello again Keizers. For reasons completely unrelated to our discussion on The A, I've just stumbled upon Category:Popular culture in Atlanta, Georgia (because it showed up in [[Wikipedia:Database reports/Uncategorized categories|an obsession of mine). I'd like to propose deleting in and re-categorizing the two articles you placed there in Category:Culture of Atlanta, Georgia. I don't think there's much benefit in trying to separate the popular and non-popular culture of Atlanta or for that matter any other city. In fact, if you browse Category:Popular culture you'll find that there are no categories for "local pop culture" only for "national pop culture" (if you see what I mean). In any case, it seems to me that your intent is to group Jesus Junction and Murder Kroger because they are part of the culture shared by Atlantans and not because that culture is "popular". So that's the long version of my argument. The short one is: how about following Category:American culture by city? :-)
If you have no objection, you can simply recategorize the two articles and require speedy deletion of the emptied category. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 19:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad you didn't jump down my throat like I've had people do before... I know where you're coming from and I personally don't really have an issue with phrasing per-se. It's just not my personal preference. I'm glad you can see what I meant when I said what I did (I wasn't sure if maybe I was misunderstanding, but the phrase change would be good I think.) =] Good luck with your article! Ncboy2010 (talk) 17:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome for the LGBT article, I think? It was just a single article about a west german movie heh. Dunno why I got a barnstar for it (and I've spent hours working on other types of articles and got nothing haha) I'm having a horrible issue with an article on fictional dogs >_< I want to go clean it up (and remove all the un-referenced, non-notable items) but there is a person who patrols the page like he owns it or something and flipped out over me and another user trying to clean it up. Called what I was doing "Wholesale deletion." I mean I can understand how it LOOKS like that, because I did delete huge swathes of the article (but huge swathes of the article is nothing but cruft). Ncboy2010 (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Well the list itself is a mess, but I'd /like/ to sort it out and make it look more along the lines of... well I can't find a good example. List of fictional cats is close. (it was about 80k kilobytes earlier today, i got it down to less than 12k) Ncboy2010 (talk) 18:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that was my original intention, to subdivide by media (Animation, Literature, etc) then split all but the most relevant into the new sub-articles with each section having a main article tag at the top, similar to what I've done in the list of cats article. Problem was, there was someone who was very protective over everything listed under literature. They have a discussion going on about it, not sure what the outcome is but I believe I'll be able to clean it up eventually. =D Ncboy2010 (talk) 23:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Template:Infobox timeline
Can we delete this template? As far as I can tell the only reason for it was to allow for more rows in template:infobox, but we can get around that using the 'infobox|child=yes' construct. The Atlanta timeline looks great by the way. Frietjes (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
if possible, could you stick a {{db-author}} on the top of the 'infobox timeline' template and the top of the template documentation page? I can also do it for you. thank you again, and nice work on the Atlanta neighborhoods template. Frietjes (talk) 21:08, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Wish to combine Keizersnl account on Dutch Wikipedia with this one
I made several edits to show a few different methods for collapsing the template. the last version is probably what you want, but I wasn't sure, which is why I made a few other alternative versions. basically, in all versions, you set 'state=collapsed' to collapse the template. Frietjes (talk) 20:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey, nice work creating Buckhead Theatre. Been on my to-do list for a while. The history you have is a bit abbreviated (as is the one at the theater's own site) it's actually had several names over the years. I was trying to dig out details on all that a while back. I went to the library and to the Atlanta History Center and found some good sources. I got a bit stymied at a few of the dates, like when it first changed names (to "Capri Theater") around 1960 or so, when it's run as "Alex Cooley's Capri Ballroom" ended (around 1980) and the exact dates that it ran as "Buckhead Cinema and Drafthouse" (mid 1980s). If nobody thought it worthy of an article in the paper, and the business is now defunct, often the dates are hard to come by. Anyway, now that you've created the article I'll probably try to merge in the stuff I did dig up. If you have a good source for any of those dates, let me know. Krelnik (talk) 20:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey Keizers!
I just got done with Transportation in Atlanta. Well, not done but at least got it to the point that I would feel comfortable leaving it alone for a little while. I was wondering if you'd take a look and help me out with it, since you're so involved with ATL? Ncboy2010 (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, sometimes people look over things that just glares out to others. Between us the article could be well developed. I'll try to address the issues you brought up! Ncboy2010 (talk) 17:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Re: Whitney Houston
Whoops, sorry about that; I didn't intend to remove the info about her selling her house in Atlanta. I cut and pasted a version of the article into my text editor to work on the logical quotation issues. When I'd finished, I noticed that the article had been edited in the meantime, so I tried to re-incorporate the intervening edits (including yours). As it says on my user page, I use a screen reader to edit Wikipedia; therefore the standard diff format doesn't read very well for me, so I check the HTML source of a diff to find out which changes have been made. At the time I thought that you'd just changed "Less than a month later" to "On May 4", without changing any other text, so I just tried to reincorporate that edit. I obviously didn't read the diff carefully enough. That'll teach me to make huge edits like that at midnight! :-) Graham8705:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Here's some fat we could trim off Atlanta
I think there are too many navigation boxes to be useful, what do you think? do we really need /Georgia mayors of cities with more than 100,000 people/? Ncboy2010 (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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The article is definitely long. I noticed it too, which is why I created the Transportation in Atlanta article (to try and create a summary and shorten the overall length of the article). It's very informative, but to sit down and read all the way through would be a bit much for anyone. I'm not exactly sure where else we could prune, without having to do some rewriting. All we could do is probably shorten the summaries somewhat but as far as pointing to a section and saying "This section is too long." I dunno. Seems that every section is probably a little bit too long but it's hard to pinpoint exactly what and where it's too long. Let me take a look at the article and see if anything just jumps out at me... After glancing through it, I really can't find any specific thing we could trim. Like I said, the only thing you could do is maybe try to summarize the summaries a little bit, without messing with the flow of the article which might be hard. If you can think of any specific actions we could take, let me know. Ncboy2010 (talk) 19:33, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
History Section of Atlanta
I understand where you're coming from but I think that the overall content isn't too bad. Yeah, re-add some links and the 61 thing should be the full year. I might have taken out too much, but I do think that I touched on more content than the previous article. I'll look at expanding it tomorrow. Cheers. Ncboy2010 (talk) 02:59, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey
Sorry, My internet's been spotty. Yeah, I never actually voiced it but under 100k was something I had thought would be a good number to keep it under. =] Very good work! keep it up! Ncboy2010 (talk) 14:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello again! Anyway, yeah didn't mean to tag it with ref-improve. =] I've been playing around with the auto-tagging feature thingie. It's neat. On a completely unrelated note I was wondering if you could explain to me exactly how I-285 is named... The fact that it's a circle and is named north/south east/west confuses me (and has for the last 3 years I've lived here). I checked the article (no mention) and I've actually had mixed answers to other people I've asked before... So... How can a road that goes in a rough circle have any directional descriptor that's accurate beyond approximately 1/4 of the route, without having dually named sections? (North/South) on either the east side or west side of the perimeter or (East/West) traveling on both the top and bottom of the "circle". Sorry if it's a stupid question, I've just never been able to get a straight answer or figure it out. Ncboy2010 (talk) 11:42, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
I think it's all informal, but yeah you might say north south east or west Perimeter for that approximate quarter of the Perimeter... I sometimes even say southeast, southwest, northeast, northwest when I am trying to be specific. It's just an adjective nothing official I think. The traffic on the radio also uses inner loop and outer loop to indicate which direction of traffic there is a problem in. So you hear things like "problem on the inner loop just past I-75 on the south perimeter" - that way you know it's westbound near the airport and not eastbound near Doraville/Norcross... Keizers (talk) 14:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Ahh, so Eastbound inner loop would be on the north side of the perimeter? Interesting. ^^ Thanks! Still a bit confusing though but I think I've got a better idea on it. Ncboy2010 (talk) 15:02, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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I was wondering if you'd be interested in helping me re-add some of the people to List of people from Atlanta, I removed everyone that /wasn't/ referenced... and ended up with less than 1% of the original list. (admittedly, there were several "bands"). What do you say? Ncboy2010 (talk) 18:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Well the biggest problem boils down to the fact that on the original list (with probably over 200 people) there was exactly 4 referenced people, and of those only 3 even mentioned living in Atlanta. I've copied the list, in it's entirety to the talk page, so I can start fresh and slowly re-add them (as I find references). Also, there were many bands listed (on a list of people) and many people who do not, in fact, live in atlanta. I think only 1 or 2 of the 20 or so country singers actually had anything on their wikipedia page stating anything about living in Atl. I can do it myself, I just thought this might be something you'd be interested in. Sorry about the bandwidth thing, I'll be off tomorrow, but should be back by monday. Seeya! Ncboy2010 (talk)
Atlanta revisions
I responded to your comments on the talk page. I also wanted to thank you for allowing me to move on from the disruptive behavior that marked my edits pre-ban. I think we can work really great together with our mutual interest in and knowledge of Atlanta! Also, I was going to wait until we reached consensus on the intro to nominate it for FA. I think we are getting really close though, and its been a really enjoyable process!--Mmann1988 (talk) 03:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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Non sequitur. The question of whether one is explicitly open, indifferent or deliberately secretive about something has nothing to do with whether it is "abnormal". Those are two different things, and nothing in the wording used any of the versions of that passage that I have saved implies the latter. In any event, the point I tried to make was that it seemed a bit self-defeating to argue that he never "came out" by citing a source that says he came out. I think the wording I used in my last edit makes the point you made, while also acknowledging what the source said. If you disagree with that wording, let's discuss it on the article talk page. Peace. :-) Nightscream (talk) 03:47, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
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Just wanted to let you know I added a formalized proposal for what I believe should happen to the bottom of the discussion. Basically I propose that we put the content/information on the APD article. You can she the possiblities that I have come up with here: User:ТимофейЛееСуда/APD Zones. Also I've gotten my wife to make a map of the police zones that is Public Domain, so in addition to the deletion discussion (and no matter the outcome) if you have any thoughts or feedback, it is found here: File:Atlanta Police Zones - Feb 2013.jpg. Thanks! -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 17:49, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
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I created Woodlands Garden lately and I've been contacting them via email to see if they might upload some images onto Commons. I've volunteered there before. I just noticed Inman Park Festival should be an article. I see Sweetwater 420 Fest is one. I'm not currently in the city, but if were, I'd probably be attending the upcoming meetup. Feel free to help that event organize or not attend at all! Anyhow, best regards! Biosthmors (talk) 14:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hello Keizers. Today I started an extended version of the Atlanta Timeline you created in 2012. It includes dates for less well-known events, as well as references and a chronological bibliography. Let me know what you think. Many thanks. M2545 (talk) 12:52, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
I see you have taken off "Mexico City" for a number of markets. Im not sure that is a good idea. "La Merced" is a common name in the Spanish speaking world so another notable market of that name is likely. I do known that most Mexican cities have "Centros de Abasto" (all it means is "main wholesale market"), so this one should keep the mention of Mexico City.Thelmadatter (talk) 18:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for your interest. So far I didn't find any information about the # of Koreans that live in Pequeño Seúl. I agree with you that as the article expands and more information is available, a separate article about the Korean community could be created. At the moment I don't have an interest in doing so, mostly because I am not able to find a lot of resources that tell me anything new. It is still very general information and mostly about the businesses that are there, and not about the people themselves. Keizers (talk) 16:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok. I wonder if somebody with access to the Diario Reforma might find something more. With the Japanese, there was a master's degree thesis that's been cited in many academic books, and that helped give a full picture of that group. Also the thesis points out there is no "Japantown" in Mexico City, so that community is all based on institutions scattered around the city. In the case of the Koreans we have a Koreatown. What may help is finding out info regarding Korean institutions like what we have with the Japanese. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Nope, Reforma is not really better or deeper than El Universal and other sources. Anyway I did on search on Reforma for article titles and only got this:
I reviewed the Japanese community article and think I could make one for the Korean community if I get time soon. Just covering associations, churches, and possibly pulling some of the demographic information over from the Korean Immigration to Mexico article. Also there are Korean communities in other major cities in the country. It is certainly the most high-profile immigrant community at the moment, other than Americans/Mexican-Americans, Europeans and Latin Americans... and #1 in terms of visible street presence, because of the concentration of stores in Zona Rosa which is a very central and high profile area.
Oh and somewhere I saw a 2002 article saying 10,000 Koreans live in the city of which 3000 live in Zona Rosa. No source. Keizers (talk) 16:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Sounds good! By the way, the Mexico City article claimed there was a full time "Escuela Coreana" day school like the LMJ but I couldn't see anything on my Google results. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:44, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for finding that info! That's very good that you found the paper! If any Mexican newspapers talk about the Korean paper that can be helpful for source reasons. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Great! It is long enough now. I will start thinking about a hook. I may tweak it a little too. You might consider moving the pictures around a little so they don't interrupt the text - maybe place the gallery at the bottom of the page. Also I think the photo of the building itself (nice photos BTW!) should be included in the body of the article; maybe move it up out of the gallery, and put the west entrance detail there instead.--MelanieN (talk) 19:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Whoa - I just discovered it is on the National Register of Historic Places. I didn't realize it earlier, because it is registered under the name San Diego Civic Center. Listed May 16, 1988, listing # 88000554 . We need to add that to the article, prominently, and we may need an additional userbox. Do you want to add this or shall I? Here's an infobox creator tool: http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.php . --MelanieN (talk) 18:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
DYK for San Diego County Administration Center
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San Diego County Administration Center
The DYK for this has been placed in the queue. If I am reading it right, it should be on the front page tomorrow (Monday) between 6:35 am and 2:35 pm Pacific time (I know - weird times.) They didn't use the photo - bummer. Then of course comes the fun part: checking the page views! (available the following day)
They are still squabbling about the Custom Center nomination. It appears that the NRHP site is not responding and so they are not accepting the "50 feet from the border" information because they can't see the nomination form to confirm it. Hopefully the NRHP site will come back up soon, or else they will take our word for it, but in the meantime that one is in limbo. --MelanieN (talk) 22:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Whoops! Change of time: they moved the queue up on me. The Admin Center listing is scheduled to appear in the dark hours - 10:35 tonight to 6:35 tomorrow morning, Pacific time. Appearing in the middle of the night San Diego time is not likely to do much for the page views. ;-( --MelanieN (talk) 03:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I haven't forgotten about this article, I have just been busy in Real Life. I will definitely nominate it for DYK, it's very deserving. I was going to ask if you wanted to nominate it yourself this time - but it turns out that the DYK process has suddenly gotten a whole lot harder. In theory, and until recently, the usual procedure is that one person reviews it, asks any questions or gives any advice, and eventually approves it. But right now there is a lot of second-guessing going on by the people who promote the hooks to the queue. It can take two or three rounds of re-evaluation before everybody is happy. You can see that happening at the Custom House nomination, and at my Fiesta del Pacifico nomination. So I suggest that you let me handle this one. OK? --MelanieN (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I've been working on a DYK. I took the liberty of expanding the article a little since it did not quite meet the length requirements. I'd like to do a DYK based on the earthquake standards, but the only source I have found that connects him to those standards or that law is that one article from the Journal of San Diego History. None of the other histories of the Field Act or Riley Act seem to mention him. I'm hesitant to use it without additional sourcing since the reviewers have gotten so picky lately. I'll keep working on it. --MelanieN (talk) 22:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
BTW quite a few of the buildings he designed or co-designed are on the National Register of Historic Places - do you think we should work that into the article in some way? --MelanieN (talk) 22:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Please note that I've reverted your edit again [1]. It won't be difficult for you to add a reference for the termination if the airline stopped serving ATL in last April. Let me remind you that WP:VERIFY, which is a policy, applies (and also WP:VNT). Do not reinstate you changes until a suitable source that acknowledges your modifications is added. Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk00:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I didn't notice you added a ref. Anyway, I've replaced that one with another one showing that the destination was served in the past. It's of no use to show a timetable that does not display ATL: that only serves the purpose of displaying that the city is not currently served, not that it was served once.--JetstreamerTalk00:51, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Teleset
The IP user was right. That is part of Teleset's history and must be included. SPTI acquired a 50% stake first and was later consolidated under one SPT roof. SPTI is in-name-only, so it stays. And if you want to avoid having the page to get redirected, you need to add more references. You just can't use one single reference on the page. King Shadeed 22:07, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for replying, I still do not quite understand how Talk works or where I respond. Here or on the other page under rnieders. If the image appeared in a U.S. news paper like the Los Angeles Times and the San Diego Union-Tribune, is that fair use? I was also the project manager of the project and designed part of the cross-border terminal, 3 of the images I do own, the 3 others where given to me while I was involved in the negotiations and were also given to the media for promotion of the project, is that not fair use? Pictures are an essential part of the article, especially original pictures Rnieders (talk) 14:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello Keizers, you redirected the cross-border terminal background which I wrote to a new page, called cross-border terminal, Tijuana International Airport. I started the project in 1990 and was actually the project manager of the project for GAP in Mexico until 2001, but somehow I must have uploaded the pictures wrong as they are in the process of being deleted. You seem to understand Wikipedia well, the pictures are an integral part of the article but Stefan2 from Sweden says they all must be deleted as they are not fair use, even though they came from public entities, such as the City of San Diego and the San Diego Association of Governments and appeared in news print. Could you direct me into submitting these pictures correctly? It would be greatly appreciated Rnieders (talk) 04:04, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Again, thank you for the reply, I hav read the WP:NFCC several times as well as WP:File copyright tags, images I created I assume I must upload to commons, but I cannot understand how images given to promote the project and used by the Los Angeles Times cannot be uploaded when WP:File copyright tags states "for image freely provided to promote an item, as in a promotional photo in a press packet." The images not owned by me where from promotional material and I was the project manager of the project and presented the project before the U.S. State Department. I cannot understand this Rnieders (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I noticed you redirected the edit I did on the Tijuana International Airport to a new main page title Cross-Border Terminal, Tijuana International Airport, could this be changed to Tijuana Cross-border Terminal, which is what it was always called since the 1990s and in all negotiations. Also when cross-border terminal is Googled right now, it goes first to the Tijuana International Airport. I have also requested that all the files/images I uploaded incorrectly be deleted. I do not know if I can do it or the administrator has to. But I have found all the images which I created for the negotiations and which I own, those I will load to commons. Thank you for your guidance Rnieders (talk) 13:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for all your help, I dug out my old files and found replacement images which I own so that there is no issue about copyrights. They were all in Spanish and my disks from 1990-3 tried to convert them to word 2010, no success, had to recreate everything. Images are important to understanding the article. I also forgot a few items that have to be added to both the history of the airport and article, minor and short, just a couple of sentences. I spent a lot of time with Gilberto Valenzuela who as Minister of Public Works 1964-1970, not only did Mexico Olympics but also rebuilt the Tijuana airport and changed the runway orientation from 10-28 to 09-27 due to an incident at the inauguration of the Friendship Dam in Texas, Valenzuela and my godfather Octavio Vejar Vazquez were very close friends, and that is why I had so much access to people in this process, but people pass on and a new generation comes and forgets commitments. Thank you for all your help and all the best Rnieders (talk) 20:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
As for the opening of the crossing, they are grading on the U.S. side and with performance bonds, that means they will be done within a year, I was suppose to be the project manager, helped Sam Zell's people and the Mexican investors secure the land and gave them all the information, 20 years worth of work, they hired the guy I trained and the son-in-law of one of the partners (Laura) is also now running the project. That is life Rnieders (talk) 20:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello Keizer. All the old pictures were deleted from the article and new ones were uploaded yesterday, all of which I created for promoting the Tijuana cross-border terminal, plus I corrected and added a few more things to the article's time line. Thnk you for your help. Rnieders (talk) 17:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Keizer, there were some comments which I did not quite understand but it seems you corrected them. You know how to write articles, I do not, still confused by the protocols. Thank you for your help Rnieders (talk) 18:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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Tijuana cross-border terminal Common images selected for deletion
Hello Keizers, there has been a request to delete all the images on the Tijuana cross-border terminal by Ellin Beltz, in the last exchange she wrote
"You added a pile of images under fair use - multiple editors tried to explain to you why they did not fit fair use and you turned around and put most if not all of these images on Commons as own work. So far we agree and I do not dispute any of that. However, you seem to be confused as to the requirements of Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons for free hosting for your images. Please read COM:L for Commons licensing descriptions. Commons does not have "fair use"; images must be own work of uploader or properly licensed at source. I see no sources, and based on the foregoing discussions, I do not believe all these images were created by a single person. In fact based on the ever-changing series of statements of where these images came from, I'm asking all other editors to consider COM:PRP here. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:34, 3 December 2014 (UTC0".
She made reference to your talk page as proof that I am not the copyright holder of the images I uploaded. I have tried to explain to her that the images I uploaded under fair use I did incorrectly as I mentioned to you in our original correspondence. She wrote "Subsequent to that process, comments were left by Mr. Nieders on another editor's talk page (Keizers) here which may be informative to the sources of these images: " 3 of the images I do own, the 3 others where given to me while I was involved in the negotiations and were also given to the media for promotion of the project, is that not fair use? .... Stefan2 from Sweden says they all must be deleted as they are not fair use, even though they came from public entities, such as the City of San Diego and the San Diego Association of Governments and appeared in news print. .... The images not owned by me where from promotional material and I was the project manager of the project and presented the project before the U.S. State Department..." The remainder is available here. I also have a lot of airport development background but continue to doubt that these images were the personal work of the uploader as confirmed by his own statements above. Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:05, 3 December 2014 (UTC)."
She did not mention the sentence in the fourth paragraph " I (rnieders) have also requested that all the files/images I uploaded incorrectly be deleted. I do not know if I can do it or the administrator has to. But I have found all the images which I created for the negotiations and which I own, those I will load to commons. Thank you for your guidance Rnieders (talk) 13:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)."here I have tried to explain that the three images i.e. ASA (color rendering), SANDAG (map) and City of San Diego (color rendering), were NOT the ones I later uploaded, I used the same file name but my images are line drawings representing the different proposals, she refused to accept that explanation and claimed I contradicted myself through my own words. I have been asked that GAP clarify this which makes no sense since most of this work was done before GAP existed, plus I supplied newspaper articles from the Wall Street Journal and San Diego Union which support my position and involvement, and those are credible sources. I am in South Carolina but upon returning to San Diego would you like to see my documents? She claims one person could not have done all this, that I presented the project in Washington DC 2002, that I have correspondence from Bob Filner January 1991, emails with Mexico and Sam Zell's people, I could never have promoted this project without line darwings and images.
Ellin Beltz claimed that the prior images were "removed from Wikipedia due to false claims and now claimed as own work. I too could dig out old floppies from 1980s projects and make copies, that doesn't mean I own the copyright. Please just stop with the biography and the list of "famous" people you know long enough to answer the very simple question that started all this. Who owns the copyright to these images? Anything else is fluff."
I did not make false claims, I stated where they came from, i.e ASA, SANDAG and City of San Diego, their work I never claimed as my own and I asked that the images be removed and acknowledged they were incorrectly uploaded under fair use, you have the correspondence to that effect. She is an administrator and is "asking all other editors to consider COM:PRP here." She is doing this without reviewing the pictures that were actually deleted vs the ones currently in the articled. Is that objective or is this personal?? She stated "Please just stop with the biography and the list of "famous" people you know." None of the people I mentioned are "famous" as only a few actually know who they are within Mexico and the government. Tried to show why this project took 18 years, the line drawing and images are an important element in understanding the development and evolution. This article was reviewed by many administrators, then this. Now I am being asked that GAP submit a clarification email to Wikipedia, why would they? They killed the project and I went over their heads by going to ASA and refloating it, then going to Washington and getting the project nominated to be presented in Monterrey in the Bush-Fox Summit but GAP said no and that is documented in a San Diego Union article listed in the references. I do not know how Wikipedia works, I can prove who I am, Mayor Susan Sessoms, Supervisor Ron Roberts, I have a paper trail to show it. Emails with Sam Zells people, faxes with SACSA. Events are very rarely reported by the people who were there, I gave an inside clip of what and how it happened, how can this be clarified, obviously I have offended Ellin Bletz.Rnieders (talk) 06:34, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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May I ask why? Or is rolling back a change an argument in itself, when it comes to any possible unpleasant remark with regard to the President? Keizers (talk) 03:31, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
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I have noticed that you have been recently creating many articles about defunct Southern California retailers. Great start on LOTS of different businesses!
BTW, before Food Giant purchased Unimart, Unimart started out as a membership store for labor union members in the San Diego Area in 1959. Look at articles in Women's Wear Daily from 1960 about this.
|quote=Unimart, which opened last Nov. 5 as a closed-door discount department store for members of organized labor, will open its second store in Chula Vista, south of here. The new unit will have 90,000 square feet. A feature of the store will be a 12,000-square-foot home furnishing center. It will also hae a 12,000-square-foot supermarket. Unimart claims 35,000 members since its store in East San Diego opened last fall.
Below is list of reference I had collected but had not did anything with yet:
"Second Unimart Is Scheduled Near Mexican Border". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 101, no. 4. July 7, 1960. p. 44. Unimart, which opened last Nov. 5 as a closed-door discount department store for members of organized labor, will open its second store in Chula Vista, south of here. The new unit will have 90,000 square feet. A feature of the store will be a 12,000-square-foot home furnishing center. It will also hae a 12,000-square-foot supermarket. Unimart claims 35,000 members since its store in East San Diego opened last fall.Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
Johns, Roy (June 22, 1961). "Unimart Will Test Open-Door Discount Unit". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 102, no. 121. p. 36. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
"Unimart Sets Grand Opening for Thursday". Los Angeles Times. November 12, 1961. p. SG_A5. Unimart's grand opening next Thursday in Pomona. Unimart, with two giant stores in San Diego, is one of Southern California's outstanding membership stores. This is the first store in the Los Angeles market. Unimart-Pomona is a 100,000 sq. ft. building featuring a supermarket, department store, pharmacy and service station.Alternate Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
"Food Giant to Acquire Hard Goods Company". Los Angeles Times. January 23, 1962. p. 26. Food Giant Markets, Inc. has an entered into an agreement to acquire B.E. Enterprises as a wholly owned subsidiary. B. E. Enterprises, Inc., operates the "Builder Emporium Stores," merchandisers of hardware and hard goods in California.Alternate Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
"Financial: Unimart Will Try Open-Door Alhambra Unit". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 104, no. 120. June 20, 1962. p. 14. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
Shapiro, Max (November 16, 1962). "Streamlined Mass Merchandising: Unimart Sees 1963 Volume At $100 Million". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 105, no. 98. p. 9. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
Shapiro, Max (August 11, 1964). "Uni-Mart Opening Doors, Inviting Soft Goods In". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 109, no. 29. p. 13. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
Shapiro, Max (January 14, 1966). "Ward Aim in Unimart Deal: South California Exposure". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 112, no. 10. p. 51. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
"Features: Say Unimart Management Ready To Get In High Gear". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 112, no. 108. June 2, 1966. p. 10. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
Ryan, Tom (July 11, 1967). "Challenge To White Front Seen In Vornado Merger". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 115, no. 133. p. 36. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
The following article is about the last Unimart to open. Two Guy's purchase of Food Giant Markets, Inc. a few months prior to the opening.
With a two year later, Two Guys sold the chain to the owner of a chain called Disco Fair and all stores were converted to Disco Fair in 1969.
"Disco Fair Buys Out Oxnard Unimart Store, Nine Others". Oxnard Press Courier. March 4, 1969. p. 1. The physical assets of the Unimart Discount Store in South Oxnard have been acquired by Beck Industries Inc., operators of Disco Fair stores, in a transaction announced Monday. The announcement by Vornado Inc., owner of Unimart, emphasized that the sale did not involve the Unimart name. In addition to the Oxnard store, the fixtures, leases and equipment of nine other Unimart stores in Los Angeles County were involved. Terms of the sale were not disclosed. The actual transfer of the properties will take place on a schedule now being formulated, a Beck spokesman said. Sid Moray, president of the Disco-Beck subsidiary of Beck Industries, said the Unimart store in the Twin Centers in South Oxnard would continue to operate as before for "a few months."Alternate Link(subscription required) via NewspaperArchive.com.
Ryan, Tom (March 11, 1969). "Disco-Beck To Convert 10 Stores". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 118, no. 49. p. 30. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
A year later, Vornado purchased Disco Fair.
"Vornado Bids To Purchase Disco Fair". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 121, no. 12. July 17, 1970. p. 11. Link(subscription required) via ProQuest.
Thanks my friend. I am not really that interested in discount stores, but I may still get around to it. Lately, I even did a shoe store, Mandel's...it seems I am documenting the complete history of retail in Greater Los Angeles, lol.Keizers (talk) 12:47, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, you say this now, but now but it appears that you are on your way to filling in the blanks on all kinds of Southern California retailing during the 20th (and also the later 19th) centuries since you are/were creating a new article almost every other day during the past 2 or 3 weeks alone (plus expanding several existing articles, such as May Company California (Hamburger's)). (You almost have enough information to create a book ;-) The only reason that I have detected your recent activity is that you are turning *alot* of red links blue on Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment#Organizations 2, List of defunct department stores of the United States#California, and List of defunct fast-food restaurant chains (these are lists in which I added some SoCal business with enough refs to start a stub, but I was too lazy to start an article myself). (If you need more refs for article expansion, please look at these pages.) List of defunct retailers of the United States had a lot of Los Angeles business that did not have article yet, but a bunch of editors decided to purge the list in 2016 of all red links. However, the archive prior to purchase, such as this link can give you hints of more businesses such as Builders Emporium (currently a redirect), Food Giant Markets, Market Basket (California), Cassell's Hamburgers, Barker Bros., Ole's, etc. I am surprised you haven't gotten around to create an article about B. H. Dyas Company, which had its main store in downtown L.A. before it expanded into Hollywood, and was forced to sell that store to Arthur Letts and his Broadway Dept. Store and also the main downtown store several years later. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 03:53, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, you inspired me to do B. H. Dyas and also Ville de Paris (department store), from whom Dyas purchased the 7th and Olive store (Myer Siegel occupied it after Dyas' 1932-3 bankruptcy.) I'll consider the food and other retailers for later, but I don't have much affinity for those trades. I worked in department stores when younger and so did my Mom and Grandmother (briefly, at Bullock's Downtown). I also made a Template:History of Retail in Southern California which I can attach to all the pages, we could add red links there with no one removing them, I think. I have in my Sandbox an article about the History of Retail in Greater L.A., to document the first store of John Temple's through to the region wide chains that existed until the 1990s.Keizers (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, that was quick, two new (start/stub quality) articles created in a single day. If you are able to gleam some of the links and short blurb that I had left on some of those "dead business" list pages, you (or someone else) could probably create a dozen or so start/stub quality articles. It appears that your mother and grandmother may have worked toward the end of the golden age of downtown L.A.'s department stores that were formerly located along Broadway and Hill before they moved west toward Flower or Figueroa and later swallowed by Macy's. (BTW, the original former Bullock's store on the north side of Seventh between Broadway and Hill did not occupy a single building, but several buildings that were built by separate owners and were later absorbed at different time (either through sale or lease). Because of this, a person would not be able to move between buildings without going outside or go up to higher floor to access a hallway connecting the separate buildings over an alley that was needed for delivery trucks to access the loading docks in the back. Not sure if these buildings were later separated and sold separately since Google Streetview shows what appears to be buildings of distinctly different architectures.)
Too bad you weren't interested in historic L.A. business when I had the interest 3-4 years ago since I have links to many newspaper articles that I had one time thought I was going to use to expand those articles with since I hated people writing claims without backing those claims with RELIABLE SOURCES. (I did make contributions to The Akron and May Company California before I found other interests.) I probably should do something with the 16 June 1933 L.A. Times article in which The Broadway was announcing that it bought all of B.H. Dyas stock and was selling it at a big discount.
BTW, your quickly growing list of historic Downtown L.A. business is missing the Hartfield's Department Store chain that later opened its more famous descendent, Zody's. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 04:00, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
(talk), thanks, I hadn’t come across Hartfield’s. My Mom mentioned she and her Mom worked in Bullock’s (only) and only as extra help during the holiday season; I don’t know for how many seasons. For my Mom that would have been around 1951-1953, for her Mom it could have also been earlier. I know she said they took a streetcar from Alhambra. So that was the one upscale store which didn’t move from Broadway to 7th (until the 1980s). I read about the multiple buildings connected in a Facebook Bullock’s group and I would be interested to document the expansion. It’s easy as I paid for access to the Times (newspapers.com “plus” subscription). Currently I’m trying to enhance the Broadway (street) article, building by building, and seeing if there were interesting retail tenants up and down the street, so for example I just discovered Reich and Lievre...Keizers (talk) 11:26, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Wow, your mom would have been old enough to remember an actual hill that both Hill and Broadway had to transverse via tunnels before the bulldozed to make room for the Hollywood Freeway. (As a child, I was always confused when the older generation talked about big hill that rose ABOVE downtown while they pointed DOWN to the Hollywood Freeway during trips while crossing the Hollywood Freeway on either Hill or Broadway streets.)
Does your current newspapers.com subscription give you access to other newspapers beside the L.A. Times? If so, would have access to The Oregonian (or some other Washington state or Oregon newspaper), if so it would be nice to be able to find just enough articles to separate out PayLess from Thrifty Drug Stores which got lump together in the past because there is not currently enough material that can be currently be SUPPORTED BY RELIABLE SOURCES to justify a separate article for PayLess? I was able to expand the Thrifty Drug Store section with L.A. Times articles that I was able to access via my library's subscription to ProQuest.
Since you are currently going down Broadway building by building, are your aware of the L.A. Public Library's collection of city directories from the late nineteenth to early twentieth centuries that are kept in the main downtown branch? This is great resource since these book provide an annual snapshot of which business what located at a particular address and what was right next door. I believe the library only has gotten around to make only four editions available online.
Has anyone else published a book about the historical tenants on Broadway? If not, you should consider compiling this information into a book, especially if you can back up all of your claims with actual newspaper article citations. You won't get rich, but you might be surprise if enough people might purchase it to be able to pay you to make trips to libraries or back to downtown L.A. to take pictures with better photographic equipment. Are you aware of Bruce Allen Kopytek's Department Store Museum website? If not, take a look at his hobby website. He has since published several books about some of the department stores that he had written about. He apparently is making some money or he would have quit just after publishing the first book. I believe that his books are making just enough money to pay for trips around the country so he can expand his website.
It appears that the Hartfield family had a department store at 537 S. Broadway that someone is in the process of restoring (at least in 2015). Not sure how many locations they actually had in downtown before they had expanded into the suburbs and later close the stores after Zodys became a more profitable endeavor. Not sure when the Hartfield family sold out to outsiders. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 03:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
-- 68.50.32.85 (talk), Thanks, I like your idea about the book, sort of "walk down Broadway and this is what you see - and this is what is gone..." Right now, I am looking for a job so doing this in the extra time that I have, let's see if I stay unemployed for a while and write the book, it's a great idea. I have done one "book" before about the BeltLine trail in Atlanta and its industrial architecture. It certainly inspires me that the street is now launching some spectacular residential, entertainment complexes and even a very special Apple Store; I can't wait to visit again. (2) Would you believe I don't live in L.A., currently I live in Washington, D.C., nonetheless I feel very close to Los Angeles in the 1880s-1920s, haha. (3) Just curious, do you have a personal connection or specific fond memories of Hartfield's? (4) I guess my Mom and grandparents would have remembered the hill on Broadway, but we never talked much about old L.A., except the "streetcar to Bullock's". I know they couldn't afford much from those type of stores as my grand-dad was a housepainter. Probably they got most stuff from Sears, five and dimes, etc., out in Alhambra. My great-grandfather was a barber in Boyle Heights. I am guessing you grew up on the north side of town perhaps Chinatown or adjacent neighborhoods, as I noticed you have an interest in Chinese related subjects and you know about the Broadway hill )) Keizers (talk) 19:03, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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