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It might be time to review the Bitcoin article deletion

Hi JohnCD,

I think it may be time to consider undeleting the Bitcoin article.

The bitcoin economy has grown to over a million dollars, and the number of businesses using it has continued to grow. Indeed, the Electronic Frontier Foundation accepts Bitcoin donations - how ironic that the EFF uses a currency that is not able to be explained by a Wikipedia article.

Is there a way by which we can formally reopen the discussion about the Bitcoin article?

Eiffel (talk) 14:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

The right forum to request re-introduction of Bitcoin to the main encyclopedia is WP:Deletion review, where it has already been twice, on August 4 and September 26. There is a draft article for improvement at User:Message From Xenu/Bitcoin, and that is what should be presented for consideration, but nobody seems to have done much to it since the last deletion review. Read the DRVs first, particularly Robert Horning's comment half way down the Sept 26 one; you'll see that what is missing is the "substantial coverage in reliable independent sources" needed to establish notability. No references seem to have been added to the draft article since the last DRV; your EFF link is something, but I doubt if it is enough.

There has been some concern over the number of single-purpose accounts which seem to have been created only to push Bitcoin: but I see from your user page that you are the author of the oldest surviving Wikipedia edit, so you are, almost literally, the last person who could be accused of that!

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your detailed response. I'll see what new references have become available since the previous review.

Regards, Eiffel (talk) 23:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

A cookie by way of thanks for the prompt action on my requested deletion.ElijahBosley ^{(talk ☞)} 20:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks - no problem, those are the easy ones! Now for some coffee to go with it... JohnCD (talk) 20:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Courtney John Reggae Singer

Could you please undelete this article? We have received OTRS permission for it which I can add as soon as it is restored and I'll be sure to let them know that they need to promptly address the promotional and notability aspects or it is likely to be deleted again. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! VernoWhitney (talk) 22:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It's awful, though: "that enigmatic, rare artist who comes along every once in a while, with uniqueness that simply radiates... " It'll need to be completely rewritten. That's a problem with copyvio tags, they think that's the only problem; but I did warn the author that even if the copyright were fixed the promotional tone tone would be unsuitable. JohnCD (talk) 22:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I personally try to use {{db-multiple}} in cases where it's clearly a problem like that, and if they don't clean it up fairly quickly I may very well put it up for deletion myself. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

You can see at the bottom of User talk:Dee2u2 the boiler-plate section I usually add to the bottom of copyvio notices. I'm not sure it wouldn't be a good idea to build something like that into the standard notice. JohnCD (talk) 23:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I saw that and it looks decent. Of course if the article's hopeless and A7/G11 apply too and are mentioned in the deletion log then they can learn that way that there's more than just permissions that need resolving. Maybe there just needs to be a push for {{Db-notice-multiple}} to include details about all of the multiple reasons an article's been tagged for speedy. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. I don't like db-multiple precisely because the notice for the author doesn't explain the reasons - it says, "look at the page or if it has gone ask me... " but that's not really good enough. I see someone else has zapped our enigmatic, rare artist. JohnCD (talk) 11:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Deleted Page Request - T. Markus Funk

Hi. I am trying to get a page put together on T. Markus Funk in anticipation of Chicago ABC 7 Reporter Chuck Goudie's profile of Funk this evening at 10:00 p.m. Apparently some other page on Funk was removed on a prior occasion, and it appears that my contribution was also shut down/deleted. Could you please consider un-deleting my contribution? Thanks, Peterjones1234 (talk) 18:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

There is already a page at T. Markus Funk and you are welcome to chip in there. It's not a very good one - have a look at WP:Your first article and WP:Writing better articles to get an idea of what article structure should look like. Also, and first of all since I see you are editing other articles about living persons, read the extremely important policy on WP:Biographies of living persons.

You mention deleted contributions, but I see none from this account. Do you have more than one account? If so, choose one and stick to it, to avoid suspicions of WP:Sockpuppetry. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:35, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response, John. I tried following your advice about modifying/editing/supplementing the entry, but was unable to save my changes, receiving the below deletion information (which is why I contacted you and mentioned that it appeared the entry had been deleted). Any advice you can give would be much appreciated.

11:15, 23 March 2010 Graeme Bartlett (talk | contribs) deleted "T. Markus Funk" ‎ (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)

20:11, 21 March 2010 JohnCD (talk | contribs) deleted "T. Markus Funk" ‎ (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/delete"

Yours, Peterjones1234 (talk) 20:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you also Columbia1234 (talk · contribs)? I repeat my warning about using only one account.

Of those two deleted versions, the second said only "T. Markus Funk is a Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law and a federal prosecutor in Chicago." You could usefully base on that a somewhat extended lead paragraph for the new article.

The earlier one that I deleted was not a biographical article: it was a bookseller's advertisement, giving brief "product details" of Funk's book like ISBN and number of pages, and then a string of reviews. That is not at all appropriate for an encyclopedia and I am not going to restore it. If you need a copy of the text, I will restore it into a user-page for an hour so that you can copy it.

If you want to help develop an article on Funk, edit the new one - it needs it. I see that another editor has added a string of "maintenance templates" which indicate necessary work, with the edit summary "a mess, but under the junk may be a notable person". You could help dig out that notable person. Don't worry about offending the first author - it is a principle here that nobody owns any article, see WP:OWN.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:23, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, John. I will take a look at the new article and see what I can do (on a limited schedule). Don't know anything about Columbia1234 or a prior entry discussing ISBN numbers, etc. BTW, how do I make sure I am editing the "new" version, rather than the deleted one? I though I was working on the new version when I saw the various notes indicating the deficiencies in what was already written, but when I tried to save changes I received the notice that the version I was working on had been deleted in the interim between when I typed in the changes/edits and when I hit "Save Page." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterjones1234 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

For clarity, the precise message I get is: "Warning: An administrator deleted this page since you started editing it. Please check the deletion log to see the reasoning." The deletion log, in turn, lists deletions from March 2010.....

Peterjones1234 (talk) 21:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm baffled, I don't know how that could happen. What you have described is what would happen if an article was deleted while you were editing it, but there has been no version (at least under this exact name) since March, until this one was created at 23:47 yesterday, and it has not been deleted. Don't worry about editing a deleted version - you can't. Click on the blue-link T. Markus Funk, that will get you the current article, then click "Edit" at the top, and away you go. The worst that might happen is an "edit conflict" if someone else edits between the time you open it and and the time you press "Save page", but then you just mutter under your breath and try again. JohnCD (talk) 21:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Jab se you have loved me

Dear John,

The page should not be deleted, as the book meets all the criterion of wikipedia. It is not a self-published book, but published by India's leading publisher. It has already sold thousands of copies. It is one of the most enjoyable book published in recent times. Check it out from India's largest online bookstore www.flipkart.com. Just type Jab se in the SEARCH field.

ISBN:9789380349152

Regards, Deep Kishore —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepkishorewiki (talk • contribs) 12:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

It is not enough to have been published and to be enjoyable. Many thousands of books are published, and Wikipedia does not expect to have articles about them all. The inclusion criteria are explained at WP:BK#Criteria. The place for you to comment is the deletion debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jab se you have loved me. JohnCD (talk) 12:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Petition - please unblock our account

Dear Sir/Madam, I have been trying to correct outdated information on the Wikipedia page about the company that I work for (Elsevier). To that end, I created a username that transparently reflects our intentions of providing more up-to-date, accurate information for all Wikipedia readers. However, a few minutes after editing the first paragraph, I got blocked. I asked for the reason behind this decision, but apparently I am also blocked from the “talk” page. As part of Elsevier’s Corporate Relations team, my intention is simply to complete information, update numbers (which have not been revised since 2006), and add updated information about our business. I hope you can clarify why we do not have the possibility to update the Wikipedia page of our own company while others, who may not always have the correct information to their disposal, apparently can. I trust you share our aim to provide the public with quality, up-to-date information. (Our username was Elseviercorprelations - I am using this account because the other one does not allow me to appeal at this discussion board). We sincerely hope you will reconsider your decision of blocking us. Best,

Ruth Cespedes Press Officer - Elsevier —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruthc83 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

There are two issues here. Wikipedia accounts must be for individuals only, who are personally responsible for them, so account names which are, or seem to be, those of organizations are not allowed. Your Elseviercorprelations account will therefore not be unblocked; you could request a change of username, but as it has made only one edit it will be simpler just to abandon it and continue using your new account. Factual edits of the type you describe are welcome, but under the strict conditions imposed on editors with a conflict of interest. More advice on your new talk page soon. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Uforia For The Masses

John give me feedback as to how I can add "Uforia For The Masses" without being deleted. I dont understand according to regulations why this company keeps getting deleted. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jettti (talk • contribs) 19:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Ken Block - Moderate Party of RI, etc, etc

Hi John -

My Wiki page was deleted by you due to copyright issues. The info from my web page is perfectly OK to be used for my Wiki page.

How do I go about resurrecting this wiki page?

98.182.55.46 (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)Ken Block

Ken Block again....

...I realized I did not leave you a way to contact me...kblock@moderate-ri.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.182.55.46 (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Userbox help

What in the world does this mean?
{{Userbox | border-c = #999 | border-s = 1 | id-c = red | id-s = 14 | id-fc = black | info-c = #EEE | info-s = 8 | info-fc = black | id = UBX | info = This is a '''[[WP:UBX|Userbox]]'''. | float = left }}
The things I am confused with: border-c, border-s, id-c, id-s, id-fc, info-c, info-s, info-fc, id, info, float. Not sure what those acronyms mean. Also, why is there only three symbols in the hex numbers? (eg. #EEE)? ThanksRomeEonBmbo (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

It's explained at Wikipedia:Userboxes#Constructing a userbox. The colour symbols are three bytes to give values from 0 to 255 in each of R, G, B - see Web colors. JohnCD (talk) 20:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I've figured it out. :D RomeEonBmbo (talk) 20:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Never mind

Hi! The problem I have is that the User Name as well as the article are a blanketed threat towards another Editor. Is there any way to speak with someone privately in order to explain why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Get lost in Boston (talk • contribs) 18:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

You can send me an email if you like - click "Email this user" on the left of this talk page. You may have to click the heading "Toolbox" to expand it. But I much prefer to do things openly on-wiki; I doubt if I shall be willing to take any action on the basis of something which can only be said privately, but you can tell me and see. JohnCD (talk) 18:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Never mind. I have decided I will handle this matter differently. It would be one thing if I were "just imagining" things but I have concrete proof about my situation. I'm confident it will be handled appropriately. It should remain private. Thanks. Get lost in Boston (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Good. Best wishes. JohnCD (talk) 21:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

You dont understand

You deleted my page for uncleverable on the grounds that it was a personal attack on someone. Uncleverable actually means intelligent and i dont believe this is an insult. You should think before you do things— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaz4157 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 14 November 2010

As "uncleverable" isn't in any dictionary, I have no way to know what it's supposed to mean, but our policy on Biographies of living persons is that: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". JohnCD (talk) 21:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

My Mistake

Sorry bout that John. Millahnna (talk) 21:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Not at all, don't apologise, someone who leaves an illegible message like that doesn't deserve an answer; but I was intrigued enough to go and look the word up and thought I might as well reply. JohnCD (talk) 21:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Your "fan club"

They never fail to crack me up. I don't remember why I started watching your page to begin with but it sure has turned out to be amusing in a warped way in hindsight.Millahnna (talk) 20:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Had you noticed that my current most enthusiastic fan is in Brazil? He could actually be cut off by a couple of quite small range-blocks, 2048 and 4096 IPs, but as long as you're happy to go on clearing up after him it's not worth it. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 21:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Belen Echandia

Hi John,

Do you know if this page has really been opened up for deletion again for the third time this week? I can't see a new AFD but the "settled" section of text appears to have been removed. Thanks in advance. findingtruths (talk) 23.05, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

No, this is the same (second) debate continuing. These debates normally run for seven days; this one was closed early by a non-administrator, which is permitted only in absolutely non-controversial cases, such as if the nominator withdraws and nobody has expressed a delete opinion. A "non-admin closure" can be reversed by any administrator; this one was improper because there were some delete !votes (we call them !votes, the ! in front is a negation, "not-vote," to emphasise that debates are decided on the arguments not on a count of heads), so an administrator reversed it and the debate continues. JohnCD (talk) 10:22, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I see! I hadn't realised that a non-admin had closed it. findingtruths (talk) 10:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Anika Invada

Why did you delete that article, man?!? Was Wikipedias harddrive full again? Well, I'm glad there's Google cache. Obviously they don't have problems with disk space like Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.193.186.236 (talk) 22:16, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

See WP:MUSICBIO for what a musical performer needs to have achieved before having a Wikipedia article. JohnCD (talk) 13:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

AUTHOR REVISED PAGE

Please see newly created page for author Anuska Wirasinha and give feedback. We have tried to conact Shimeru for feedback and to relist the newly completely revised update but has not heard anything for months. Muthu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Muthuwella/Anushka_Wirasinha —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 00:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I will look at it again, but it will be a few days before I have time to read it all. JohnCD (talk) 13:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Petra Airlines -- a new chance?

Hi John, I'm planning to write an article about Petra Airlines, but have just noticed that a previous attempt was speedy deleted, because notability could not be established. Well, I do think that this company is notable, though. It is a start-up airline, so there aren't all-too many reliable sources to be found. But those that are there ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5] just to name some), are IMO enough to provide the significant coverage in reliable third-party media, which would be enough to pass the WP:CORP notability guideline. I'm starting editing on the article in my userspace, and would be glad if you could have a look at it before it may be copied into main space. Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 13:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The entire text of the article I deleted was "start with 3 ex gulf air a320 in 2011?" You should be able to do better than that, but I am not really convinced by the sources you link - no.1 is a blog, nos. 2, 4 and 5 look as if they are all regurgitating the same press release. You're doing the right thing by starting in your user space - I suggest you do the best you can and then post a request at WP:Requests for feedback to see what others think. Don't give up, I'm sure it will become notable, but you may have to wait until the airline is (literally) off the ground before there is enough substantial, independent comment to satisfy WP:CORP. You could probably get help and advice at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:58, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I completed the draft for the article, and placed the matter here and here. Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 14:53, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

About subpage in spanish

I want for that you erase that subpage, now I were reading Template:Db. I create it by error, I thought that was es.wikipedia. Pablo López We fly together 15:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lopezpablo 87 (talk • contribs)

 Done. JohnCD (talk) 15:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, you excuse them annoyances. And the error in the signature is by copy-paste. Pablo López We fly together 15:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem. JohnCD (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

redirect on Youvan's Apologetics

John, thanks for the help on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Youvan#Christian_Apologetics. Unfortunately, certain keyword searches on Google go to the deleted page and one is left hanging. Is there a way to make that redirect transparently move to the "Christian Apologetics" subsection on Douglas Youvan rather than to the deleted article? Bridgettttttte_babble^poop 22:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

What has happened is that the admin who closed the deletion discussion closed it as delete rather than redirect. It would not be good manners for me simply to revert him, but I have explained the situation and invited him to change his close. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The redirect has been restored. JohnCD (talk) 08:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you John Bridgettttttte_babble^poop 12:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Dear John

I'm a PhD student in University of Arizona, Tucson, USA. Is it possible to let me know the reason for removing page "List of countries in chronological order of achieving statehood" was its content invalid? my email: ekabiri@email.arizona.edu

Thanks, Ehsan Kabiri Rahani —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.14.89 (talk) 05:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

The page was first merged with List of countries by statehood, and then the merged article was deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of countries by statehood which listed a string of problems and decided that it was redundant to the better-defined List of sovereign states by date of formation. JohnCD (talk) 17:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Australian Republic Party

The Australian Republic Party and the Republican Party of Australia are two completely different political parties. You deleted our page the Australian Republic Party (We are more active in current Australian Politics) and you left party that is inactive now instead. Lukeroughley (talk) 16:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Very well, I have restored it; but you will have to demonstrate notability by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." JohnCD (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

New Australian Republic Party

Never heard of them, they are not credible, it's on a blog

Our website is www.australianrepublicparty.org.au

We are a registered Not for profit political party in Australia. ABN 24317964018 - See Link http://www.abr.business.gov.au/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukeroughley (talk • contribs) 16:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay John no problem at all. Remove it for now. Better not to be on here, then to have a whole heap of issues. I understand wikipedia and how it works. So I will leave up to a member of the public to start a page later down the track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukeroughley (talk • contribs) 16:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that, it saves us some trouble. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem, we are a minor party on the way up with continued memberships coming in each week. Honestly I would have liked to have been on wikipedia, but the fact is I do not want our party associated with anything that looks dubious. So I guess we will have to wait until we run in the 2011 Local Council elections and hopefully with the related media coverage of that election, somebody ads us to wikipedia. Cheers Lukeroughley (talk) 17:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Talinsfadasporia

Hello, glad you acted quickly on that one; I was expecting to have to argue a case for deletion!! Cheers (Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC)).

I'm usually hesitant about speedy-deleting possible hoaxes, because unlikely things sometimes turn out to be true, but when none of the sources listed mentioned this, it wasn't on the maps, it wasn't in my big Times Atlas, most of it was cut and pasted from Dibrugarh, and the author's other contributions looked dodgy, that was enough. Thanks for tagging it - what brought it to your attention? JohnCD (talk) 12:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

What a welcome!

Hello,

I am unsure why you & your colleagues decided to delete the article I was working on whilst I was adapting & translating a French WP version. Although I agree it looks untidy the way it has been frozen, nobody was going to look for "emaux de Briare" in the next couple of hours so I would have had time to improve it by quite a bit -that is if I had been given a couple of hours. Now what can I do? What can you do that would be helpful?

If your purpose is to discourage newcomers, you can be satisfied.

Good bye

Jcksa (talk) 22:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I have not deleted your article - I moved it into your user space at User:Jcksa/Émaux de Briare so that you could work on it there, told you on your talk page, nearly an hour ago, where it was, and offered help. I also added the {{translated page}} template to its talk page which is necessary to maintain the attribution link to the original French page - the absence of that was why it had been tagged for speedy deletion. JohnCD (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Robbie Leopardi

hello JohnCD my name is Aaron Cargill- it is to my understanding that you recently deleted an article of mine (Robbie Leopardi) the reason was that he is not important (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject) I just wanted to tell you that he is very important, for example when you google robbie l "Robbie Leopardi" is the first suggestion on top of people like Robbie Lawler (a famous ufc fighter) who by the way has a wikipedia page so if you are going to delete that page why arent you going to delete Robbie Lawler under the same reasons? or please put the page Robbie Leopardi back up- i spent alot of time writing that page on a significant person not for it to be deleted but for people to know about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron cargill (talk • contribs) 11:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If you click on the red-link above you will see that the article has been deleted three times by different admins for the same reason: it gives no indication of why he is important, it just says he paints, and gives some quotes from him and links to his website and his Twitter. I have already explained on your talk page about Wikipedia's admission criterion of notability, but to repeat: it is not a matter of opinion, or of saying that he is important, but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, Twitter, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones like galleries selling his work, and anything based on press releases. There is more detail in WP:Notability (people), particularly the section WP:ARTIST.

If after you read those links and WP:Your first article you think you can find independent references to show notability, ask here or on your talk page and I will undelete the article into your user space where you can work on it. Because it was created three times without improvement it has been salted - protected against re-creation - so when you have a version you think shows notability you will need to approach Courcelles (talk · contribs), who salted it, for permission to post it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Ungeilivable

Hi John. I handled it like a pro this time, but the PROD was contested. I'd take it to AfD but I'm not totally comfortable with the necessary wording, and "this version" is a bit different than the last. Would you care to have the honours?  -- WikHead (talk) 16:02, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

On second thought, just carry on with what you're doing. PMDrive1061 just took it out as a CSD G1. Cheers :).  -- WikHead (talk) 16:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Used Car Planet

Hi,

I was creating a page about Used Car Planet, and you deleted it. Can I know why? My page similer to the Auto Trader page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Trader

Regards, Khaled —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khaledelmahdi (talk • contribs) 16:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The article was written in promotional marketing-speak: "cost effective solution", "developed with performance in mind", "out performs on search engine results" and in the first person: "What we do is... " "we are not interested in... " - the company talking direct to the reader. That was not an encyclopedia article, that was an advertisement, and Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion of any kind. If you are connected with the company, please read our policy against editing with a conflict of interest. See also the WP:FAQ/Organizations which will probably answer any other questions. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Lucie mccready

Sorry, realised my mistake as soon as the CSD template was added. For some reason I thought it said the person was cool which is why I marked it as being an unremarkable person. Went in to correct myself but you beat me to it :) --5 albert square (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I thought it was something like that, so I didn't bother to mention it to you. It can be hard these days to tell what's an attack page and what's a compliment. I have warned someone for an attack and had an indignant reply saying that the subject was himself the author and intended to tell the world how wonderful he was. JohnCD (talk) 17:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hah, in the edit summary I think I saw 'cool' so must have confused it with the article when marking it. You think that's bad though? Once I came across a new article in Wikipedia that gave step by step instructions on how to murder someone and claimed that the plan was fool proof and you would definitely not be caught by the police if you followed this plan! Needless to say I got it speedily deleted! The things people dream up! --5 albert square (talk) 17:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

A clear violation of WP:NOT#HOWTO. JohnCD (talk) 17:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Apologies...

My apologies. I had chosen that tag, and I thought I copied it, but I did not, so when I hit "paste", another tag was put in... I did not notice it.--Braniff747SP (talk) 20:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem - easy to do. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Man vs natick

dear Mr johnCD i have contacted you regarding a specific page that you deleted by the name of "man vs natick". i was looking for clarification as to why you deleted this page and if you could possibly restore it back to the website. as the creator of man vs natick, seeing the wikipedia page for it made me overjoyed, because it gave me a sence of accomplishment i had never felt befor in my 15 years on this planet. please contact me at <email addresses redacted>. thank you very much i greatly apriciate it

sincerely,

Andrew Young —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew Florian Young (talk • contribs) 00:40, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The reasons why the article was deleted were explained on the talk page of Drewman1995 (talk · contribs), the account that created it. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is selective about subjects for articles: they have to be of enough general interest for an encyclopedia. The Wikipedia term is notability, and that is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The test is, have other people, independent of the subject, thought it important enough to write about?

I'm sorry if that's disappointing for you, but you could write about your Youtube show on a site like Myspace. I will put a Welcome paragraph on your talk page with links which will tell you more about contributing here.

It's not a good idea to post your email address here - spambots crawl about Wikipedia looking for them, and you are liable to find your mailbox full of unwanted junk. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

List of Tallest Buildings in Plano

A1 speedy was appropriate, in my view, because the stub gave no indication of what city in what country was implied. Canada? US?Prod or AFD are overkill. Edison (talk) 18:40, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

You have a point; as an ignorant Brit, I assumed everyone knew where Plano was, but I see from Plano that there are five, all in the US, though I guess the reference to Dallas means this is probably Plano, Tx. More to the point, it seems unlikely that the author intended a list of one item: a PROD gives time for it to develop into the sort of list which, though you (and I) might consider it WP:LISTCRUFT, could well have a chance of being kept at AfD; if so, the vague title could be fixed by a move. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Por favor

Hey John can you please undelete this File:Me in autumn '09.jpg and also restore my User page to as it was prior to my deletion request. E. Fokker (talk) 19:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done. JohnCD (talk) 19:50, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks John. E. Fokker (talk) 19:59, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Isla williams

Why would you delete it? Its nothing to do with you. I'm not being funny but i'll delet a page of yours shall i? wouldn't be happy would you? Exacly. Just pathetic. It was mine and i did it for a laugh. kthanksbi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imisla (talk • contribs) 19:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia is a serious project to build an encyclopedia, not a place for articles about yourself done "for a laugh". There are plenty of social-networking sites like Myspace for that sort of thing. JohnCD (talk) 20:07, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Anushka Wirasinha

John, Thanks for the relist. The frustration here is that those who want the article deleted don't understand to research and find the information. Shimeru said that it is ok if info is in native language also as it can be translated. I have put whatever I have including articles written in Sri Lanka that I have. Others have sent me things I have included. I see a question about India times bestseller and it was listed in 2003 I think. So it's not there online now but I created the article from facts. Whatever facts I had. My interest is puting a local author on the map not anything else. I am looking at all Sri Lankan women authors. Also note her books were the first books in IT ever to be published in English by a Sri Lanka author. Books are endorsed by the Sri Lanka government. I have attached that image as proof. The author meets the criteria for inclusion. She is a well known Sri Lanka writer. The Sri Lanka government has listed her on their page. I am deflated by the quick delete comments as there should be a chance for those who know her work to re-edit rather than those who just can't be bothered about researching to delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 00:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Adding more and more references about facts that already established, like her books, doesn't necessarily help. DGG and Uncle G are two very experienced editors, and it is valuable to have their help. We'll just have to see how it goes. JohnCD (talk) 22:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I added the links because SmartSE claimed that the sources were "not reliable", "not neutral" and "self created" so I responded with proof of links that show otherwise and lists reliable sources and third party articles and interviews about the artist. Then when I scanned the Financial Times article. Again I was told it is made up, so I had to explain with as many links as I could find. Then I was told google doesn't have stuff. So I spent hours getting links from google to prove otherwise. I don't know what facts are already established so I am trying to provide links that prove as much as possible that the author meets the requirements for inclusion. What else is needed? I agree with DDG and Uncle G. How can I get their help? I also appreciate your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 01:38, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of World of Beer (bar)

to whom this may concern,

being new to this end of wikipedia my intention with the World of Beer page was to work on it this upcoming weekend.

World of beer is a bar that has taken off over the last few years across the state of florida and is rapidly expanding throughout the eastern, south eastern and gulf coast of the US. its focus is in regard to the craft brew, microbrew and import beers of the greater US and the world at large.

from an amateur sociological perspective, the impact of the orginal location against the greater community that surrounds as well as the culture that has developed has made a significant impact on the success of the bar(s).

if you have any further questions, please let me know. i'd like to get the base for the article started tomorrow and have some links and pics ready by saturday.

thanks.

Lhhgm79 (talk) 20:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC) Dave

p.s. [6] St.Petersburg Times Article regarding world of beer growth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhhgm79 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The complete text of the article I deleted was "World of Beer is a beer bar based in Florida." Even a first shot at an article needs to give some indication of why its subject is important or significant or (in this case) different from 10,000 other bars. For advice, start with WP:Your first article, WP:Notability and WP:CORP; more on your talk page soon, but probably not until tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 22:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll be sure to check those out. thanks.Lhhgm79 (talk) 15:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Anushka Wirasinha Page

Couple of things- if there are articles written in tamil and sinhala, can anyone in wikipedia help get it translated, such as wiki projects srilanka? Shimeru said it's ok to scan and add non english language articles so I added one in sinhala and others have some in tamil. Would like to include these.

Also can I give an email by placing it on a talk page so someone can send more info to me that way.

Thanks for relisting this for discussion, I am happy with the way it is progressing but there is much more out there though connected to the artist that i need help getting to include. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 01:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

It is not a good idea to put your email address on a talk page, because "spambots" scan Wikipedia to collect them, and you will get a lot of junk mail. But there is a safer way to let people email you: click "My preferences" and then "User profile"; at the foot of that page you can enter your email address and check the box marked "Enable e-mail from other users". Then on the left of your user page there will be a link "Email this user", which people can use to send you emails. For translation, yes, I should think Wikiproject SriLanka would be a good place, or the Sinhalese and Tamil Wikipedias. JohnCD (talk) 10:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

While a discussion was going on for ANUSHKA WIRASINHA page it was deleted today disregarding anything being said and despite the author page meeting notability criteria in a number of areas. Also note that user B and user Shimeru is the same person as shimeru wrote to me as B and as Shimeru. So the deletes by B on 24th June and deletes by Shimeru on 24th June is same.

No, Shimeru and B are different people. Shimeru deleted after the first AfD on 23 June, next day Chamithra created the article again; a re-created article can be speedily deleted, and B did that on 24 June. JohnCD (talk) 16:30, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Now what can I do? how can the people who have more articles about her send it if the page is deleted? Can it be relisted for a few more days to add these that will take a few days? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 20:37, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Replied below. JohnCD (talk) 16:30, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Save me and the page

I started the page Mubasshar Hussain. But, later it was deleted by User:Michig. I edited it again providing enough reliable references. User:Ragib deleted the page again and blocked me from editing. I created a new wikipedia account and tried to start the page, but failed. Mubasshar Hussain is the president of Commonwealth Architects Association and ARCASIA. But it was stated, "Speedy deleted per CSD A7, was an article about a real person that didn't assert the importance or significance of its subject. using TW". You saved the page Hassan Shahriar before, which was also started by me. So, I am asking for help to you. If I am wrong please explain.

Here is the sample page:

Mubasshar Hussain is a Bangladeshi architect. He is currently the president of Institute of Architects Bangladesh, ARCHITECTS REGIONAL COUNCIL ASIA (ARCASIA), Commonwealth Association of Architects (CAA), founder Chairman of Global Insurance Limited.

If you are blocked, you cannot simply create a new account and carry on: that is block evasion. So, sorry, but I have blocked your new account. You have to request an unblock on your first account. The reason for your block was that you were creating large numbers of articles which did not meet Wikipedia's requirements. What you should do is:

• Read WP:Your first article, WP:Notability and WP:Notability (people)
• Read all the warning notices on your talk page, and understand why those articles were deleted,
• Read the WP:Guide to appealing blocks
• Post an unblock request at the bottom of your talk page, explaining that you have read these guidelines and intend only to post articles that are properly referenced and meet the notability requirements

The title Mubasshar Hussain has been salted - protected against recreation - because you created it several times. After you are unblocked, you had best make a draft in your user space - see Help:Userspace draft for how to do that, and then approach Ragib (talk · contribs), who salted it, and ask him to look at your draft and agree to unprotect the title. JohnCD (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

incubation editing or discussion rather than deletion

John, Can the article be placed under incubation or for further discussion rather than deletion? It was even deleted prior to completion of 7 days despite valid arguments for keeping it and this is again not allowing us to add further material for this. Chamithra is doing so much of research and I have contacted several sources to get more, so I can't understand why it was deleted without wizerdman discussing what can be done or what needs to be done to include it or atleast incubate it. Pleeeeese HELP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 21:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are back in the same situation as after the last AfD: if you want the article back, you must first approach Wizardman (talk · contribs), the admin who closed the discussion, and if he does not agree you can go to WP:Deletion review. But I advise you just to accept that the Wikipedia community does not agree that Ms Wirasinha is notable in our technical sense of that term. To have a Wikipedia article or not to have one is not all that important.

You could ask Wizardman if he would agree to put the article in the incubator, but I do not myself think that would lead to anything more than wasted effort. I know you feel that given time you could find more references, but when the article already had 60 references, it is really not likely that adding yet more will convince anybody; it is not as though new references will do anything more than confirm what the article already says. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I have asked wizardman. The reason I need it in incubation and not deleted is to get the translations. There is much more references. I just don't have them. Like DDG said, it is hard to get stuff that is in Pakistan India Sri Lanka etc so there needs to be some time to get these. I have seen the India times bestseller things but I don't have those, someone else may so I need to get Sri Lanka wiki project help. Also, I am not sure what specific information I need to include to get the article relisted so I want to get help by those who maybe able to direct me into getting the right stuff rather than me adding stuff I have or can find. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 20:01, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Also as I understand "notable" criteria is met if "books by an author that is published by a known traditional publisher is used as textbooks or course material in several universities" Am I wrong in this? or is this specific criteria met? Also as I understand "verifiable" "reliable" third party sources include mainstream newspapers and articles in them by independent journalists? Am I wrong? What does chamithra mean by NOTTEMP? I can't understand. If it is ongoing interest in her work, does it matter if her books have been used as textbooks for over 10 yrs in these universities.

At this point I am not so bothered on the article as much as trying to understand what exactly the article lacks. I am working next on Anne Ranasinghe and I don't want the same situation to occur as this author is also known but has less links. It doesn't meen she doesn't have things outside google.

Also what I don't like in all this is that this was an article that was in wikipedia for 2 years till an "unusual" trigger to the foundation initiated a delete. It was unusually triggered and then although so much more is included, the article continues to be disregarded rather than looked at in the way it should be. That is the problem. If it was AfD by a normal request, it would not be as weird. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 20:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, with due respect I don't agree at all with your rationale that wikipedians don't think Ms. Wirasinha is notable. Wikipedians thought her notable to include her in 2008 and keep her in wikipedia for two years till an unusuall decision was created to remove her. Now a select few seem to not want to understand the notability criteria that is met as far as wikipedia technical rules of notability goes to exclude a foreign author from being included despite her meeting notability. Look at the wording under notability and where it says if 1 of them is met then notability is met. She has met several. So that is why I am looking into the way wikipedia bends the notability guidelines to keep some authors and delete others. I see some other Sri Lankan authors removed for no reason. There are valid references in those as well. Please also note that Sri Lanka newspapers in both English, Tamil and Sinhala are world class newspapers. They don't include made up stories or bogus articles as some editors haphazzardly and baselessly claimed. I don't appreciate these aspects. It is not the article or the author of this specific article that bothers me but the way foreign sources are disregarded and treated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 20:36, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Michael Barker (drummer)

Hello,

It has come to my attention that you deleted the article of Michael Barker. He is a very talented and influential drummer in the New Zealand / Australian drum world. Why did you delete his page?

38.100.14.250 (talk) 16:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out - his article had been hijacked by a different, and non-notable, drummer of the same name, and I carelessly deleted that without looking back at the full history. I have restored the proper one. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Lucrio98

I don't get it. How can I make my message clearer? Cheers, Dlohcierekim 18:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

He's a twelve-year-old, they're not good at listening to messages they don't want to hear. I had my finger on the block button, but he seems to have stopped. JohnCD (talk) 18:19, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Too true, John. I guess you reached him after all. Dlohcierekim 19:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:refund

Hello, again. Refund is new to me. It's for Prod's? Can you help me understand the ratiooale and how this fits with say, DRV? Thanks Dlohcierekim 00:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Reading down the page will give you a good idea of what goes on: it's most useful for PRODs, but people get directed there from WP:Why was my page deleted and bring anything. What it's not for is AfDs; it says that at the top, but people still bring them, and have to be told to go the closing admin and then to DRV. PRODs are restored without question, though I think it's good to tell the original PRODder, and to tell the requester I'm going to do that, and maybe give some hints about why the article was PRODded and what improvements it needs. For speedies it all depends - in most cases it's a matter of explaining the reason in words of one syllable and pointing them to WP:BAND or whatever notability standard applies, but if there seems some hope one can userfy. I suppose somebody really determined to argue about a speedy could be directed to DRV, but I don't recall that happening. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Abhinav Kohli

Name of my article is Abhinav Kohli. Why was the article on Abhinav Kohli deleted? Could I please get a copy of the page I created? And when Abhinav himself is a celebrity working in daily soaps in India like Jaane Kya Baat Hui and most importantly the future husband of Shweta Tiwari who is the most popular T. V. and film actress in India, Srilanka, Afghanistan, Nepal and Pakistan why can't there be a page on him? Theindustrymonk (talk) 09:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If he is really notable as an actor in his own right, to the standard of WP:ACTOR, he could have an article, but the article you wrote didn't give any indication of that - it was an account of his life, education, work with various firms, just mentioned television, and the references were of the "Is there a new man in Shweta Tiwari's life?" type. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a gossip magazine, and you do not become notable by being engaged to a celebrity, even if an actual engagement is confirmed by reliable sources rather than gossip columns. I have moved the article into your user space at User:Theindustrymonk/Abhinav Kohli where you can work on it; but it will have to demonstrate much more notability independent of Sweta Tiwari if it is to be posted, and it must comply with the extremely important policy on WP:Biographies of living persons. I will give more advice on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 11:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Appreciate that. And look forward to your help. Thank You. Theindustrymonk (talk) 14:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Peter Abelard

Oops! I didn't see that. Sorry to cause trouble, but it appears that I shouldn't remove myself and it needs to be resolved. Correct? I'll edit my comments in the talk page to reflect my overzealousness. Sorry. 67.9.139.107 (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Deleted Article About Elena Siegman

Hello. I wished to ask for the return of the article on Elena Siegman. I myself am not the original creator but I decided (today, actually) to take it upon myself to try to edit the article and bring it up to code. This morning I edited the page for grammar, punctuation, and wording. I am planning to research on Elena Siegman's own blog and edit her biography, as well as include the lyrics and information for the call of duty songs she is now gaining notice for. If you would be so kind as to return the page, I will edit it until it meets your approval. Thank you. CaterinaV (talk) 23:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

As there is at least one other editor interested, I have moved the article into the WP:Article Incubator at WP:Article Incubator/Elena Siegman where you can work on it. Read WP:Your first article and WP:MUSICBIO; more advice on your talk page soon. You must not put in the lyrics, because they will be copyright. JohnCD (talk) 11:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Ummm.... I'm sorry to bother you.... The first article rules say a blog or myspace page are not good sources... Does it make a difference if they are the facebook page of the person themself? I was just thinking that the best place to get a biography would be the person's own blog or some such... CaterinaV (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

See WP:SELFPUB. On the conditions explained there, you could use them as sources for information, but they would not count as the independent comment needed to establish notability. JohnCD (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

ANNE RANASINGHE

Let me know how to improve this article which is another Sri Lankan author. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 20:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

It's unfortunate that the article was a copyright violation, but not your fault. I am surprised it had not been detected before - it did read rather like a publisher's blurb, and that is probably what made someone check it. There is no reason why you should not rewrite it in your own words, but they need to be completely your own words, not just a tweak of the existing ones - see Wikipedia:Copy-paste. If you can cite references for the prizes, it will help, and I should omit the "Vibrantly sensuous... " bit unless you can actually cite who said it. I suggest you make it in a userpage at User:Muthuwella/Anne Ranasinghe; a good place to ask for comments on a draft is WP:Requests for feedback. JohnCD (talk) 22:26, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I can't understand why it was a copyright violation. This article will also have Sri Lanka newspaper sources like the other one I did. I just don't want to get this also deleted like that. That had more references and was deleted so I have no idea how to go about creating this to prevent deletion. If Sri Lanka news paper articles are not going to be considered as meeting verifiable sources what can I include to show verifiability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 23:11, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

It was a copyright violation because the words were copied directly from here. That doesn't stop you writing it again, but in your own words. JohnCD (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I always write in my own words but couldn't you just keep it without deleting it so I could have worked on it removing the copyrighted stuff. I added some links to the page also. When it's deleted it's a pain to go through all the other admins who don't see notability even if it stares in their face. Anne Ranasinghe is a notable author and if it is undeleted I can work on it with help from editors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 00:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

No, we can't host copyright information even temporarily. If you want to access it, you can do that from the link above, but I would advise not having it in front of you when you re-write. JohnCD (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

jai courtney

Dear JohnCD,

Why did you delete the Jai Courtney article when all other actors in 'Spartacus' have a page now but him? It doesn't make sense unless you now delete all the other actors as well....

Look forward to your response —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.91.124 (talk) 00:20, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

The article just said he played a role in Spartacus and gave a bit of plot summary. If an actor is to have an article, he needs to be notable to the standard explained at WP:ENTERTAINER. If Courtney is, anyone can write an article about him, giving the right references to show it. You can have a go - read WP:Your first article first. You can either set up an account, which is easy and free, or submit a draft at WP:Articles for creation. JohnCD (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks JohnCD, will do, and thanks for the advice! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marky555 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

wikipedia

ty for the help (thank you) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aznxstrafe (talk • contribs) 18:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Owler69

User:Owler69 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Mark Zuckerberg (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Can you please look at the above user and his latest vandalism here? You were the last administrator to comment in August on his Talk page. Although a significant amount of time has elapsed since his final warning, he also hasn't used the account for any constructive purpose in between. I also noticed that Edenc1 did not place any kind of warning on the Owler69's Talk page, perhaps because he wasn't sure what warning would be appropriate at this point. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

After my warning in August he did say he planned to edit constructively, but he has had another final warning since for silly vandalism - altering birth dates - and now this. It's enough, I have indef-blocked. Thanks for the report. JohnCD (talk) 18:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Domain Developers Fund

John,

The deletion policy mystifies me and seems inconsistent. I refer you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hedge_funds which lists dozens of hedge funds. Can you kindly explain why they are allowed in and DDF was barred? Thanks. Ericbank (talk) 00:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)Eric Bank

I see from the deletion log that Domain Developers Fund was actually deleted (not by me) as an advertisement. Actually, looking at the deleted article, it does not seem to me unduly promotional, but I am less sure that it would meet our notability standard. More advice on your talk page soon. JohnCD (talk) 12:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

John: Thanks for looking at the article again. The notability is that it is the first and only public hedge fund dealing in Internet domains. As such, it is a trailblazer, and represents the only alternative available today for investors of modest means to buy into a diversified set of domains. I hope you will reconsider on this basis. Thank you. Ericbank(talk) (UTC)

I have userfied the article for you to User:Ericbank/Domain Developers Fund, where you can work on it. Notability is not a matter of saying so, but of giving references to show "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"; I explained on your talk page why the existing ones do not seem adequate. See if you can find more, then approach Sphilbrick (talk), who actually deleted the article. JohnCD (talk) 11:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Elizabeth McCarthy

She is a notable entertainer...over 19 titles...20 years in the industry...was a radio personality in Vancouver for over 3 years. Maybe you should do some research before deleting posts. I understand the problem with copying from IMDB but that is a public page and if I quote where it came from why is it then a problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizflicks (talk • contribs) 20:00, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Copyright is a serious legal problem for Wikipedia and copyright material has to be deleted on sight. It is a problem because by posting in Wikipedia you license anyone to copy the material, alter it and use it for any purpose including commercial - under the edit screen it says "You irrevocably agree to release your contributions under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL" - and unless the copyright owner has agreed you can't do that. IMDb pages are labelled "Copyright © 1990-2010 IMDb.com, Inc." but even if they weren't you couldn't copy them. See Wikipedia:Copy-paste and Wikipedia:Copyrights#Contributors' rights and obligations for more detail.

That sounds as though you could make an article about her, but write it in your own words. Check out WP:Your first article for good advice. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:18, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

edit page for Elizabeth McCarthy

I edited the page that was tagged for deletion and wrote it in my own words and now can't find it once I submitted the updates without the information from IMDB. Where does my posting stand now? Lizflicks (talk) 20:32, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that: I saw it while it was still a copyvio, went and did something else, and came back and zapped it without looking again. I see it's back now. JohnCD (talk) 20:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Per your question at User talk:Lizflicks, the imdb reference is here. However, as imdb is not a reliable source it would not satisfy the requirements for removing the BLP Prod, would it? ("Once the article has at least one reliable source, you may remove this tag." - my emphasis.) I've looked for other refs but none were forthcoming - maybe that's because the name brings up many other matches. I42 (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I would have thought an IMDb entry confirming the outlines of a career was enough to remove a BLPprod - I thought the view on IMDb was "OK for existence, not enough for notability." But I can't quote a reference for that; you have got me worried, and I am starting a hunt through the policies... JohnCD (talk) 21:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

WP:RS/IMDB suggests it is not. There may be contradictory ones! I42 (talk) 21:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The discussion here seems to say that presence of an IMDb source is enough to avoid adding a BLPprod, but addition of one is not enough to take it off, which seems absurd. I think the point of BLPprod is to avoid totally fictitious or utterly un-notable BLPs. I will ask WereSpielChequers, who seems to be active in that area. JohnCD (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The author has removed the BLP tag. I have taken the article to AfD to clear it up; as it stands I can find no evidence that the subject is notable. I42 (talk) 22:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Raja Liaqat Ali

How about this "Farooq Paracha" ? and many more examples why my article about Raja Liaqat Ali is considered to delete. Cj.Raja (talk) 22:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

We have more than 3 million articles. Many of them are not as good as they should be; but that is not a reason for admitting more. For that reason What about article X? is not an argument that is accepted: the discussion is about your article and whether it meets the standards. JohnCD (talk) 22:42, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

My Account

As you asked me to stick to one account for your information I all the time login from my account Cj.Raja you might had misunderstanding. Cj.Raja (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

So who is user Raja.cj (talk · contribs)? Is that a different person? JohnCD (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

You asked me to stick with my account I login from my account all the time that is Cj.Raja Cj.Raja (talk) 22:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Raja Liaqat Ali is the journalist I know because I am a journalist as well.and bro Cj.Raja is my account not Raja Liaqat Ali's account.Cj.Raja (talk) 23:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

About Raja Liaqat Ali

I gave you example of article just to make you known that My Article is at least better of some work.which is there on wikipedia.and its not the right reason that there are many articles.If so then my article is also one of them.Cj.Raja (talk) 23:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Avoid Deletion

Tell me how to save my article from deletion ? Should I minimize the matter I provided?You know I had linked some work by Raja Liaqat Ali on wikipedia and the issue I quoted I also gave the links.Wikipedia's help guide for articles are complicated as these pages have lots of link so If somebody start reading gets lost.Cj.Raja (talk) 23:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

What you have to establish is WP:Notability which means showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" - not work by him but anything about him by other people independent of him. See also WP:Notability (people). JohnCD (talk) 10:10, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I will

OK I am going to read the guides (link) and I hope you will help me further to make my article better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cj.Raja (talk • contribs) 16:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Changes

Hi John..Can you please see the changes in my article I made "Raja Liaqat Ali"I delete the words famous and prominent and secondly I explained the What twin cities mean .. Cj.Raja (talk) 20:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Those were improvements, but they did not help with the issue of notability which was the reason for deletion. JohnCD (talk) 11:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

AGN International

Hi, further to the reply to my message regarding the deletion of the article AGN international you mentioned that wikipedia is not a business listing, please can you let me know how similar organisations to ours such as Baker Tilly and Pricewaterhousecooper are able to have article on here. I would be interested to know my article was different to these. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmyGNorris (talk • contribs) 16:13, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

"Not a business listing directory" means that we don't have an article for every business (unlike, say, Wikicompany). Our criterion is notability, measured by "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Pricewaterhousecoopers and Baker Tilly pass that test, but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AGN International decided that AGN did not. In any case What about article X? is not accepted as an argument - each article is considered on its own merits. JohnCD (talk) 21:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Nominated Member of Parliament

Please see Talk:Nominated Member of Parliament#Merger. Thanks. Station1 (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I too learned something new today (or I guess yesterday if you're UTC)! Good to know if it comes up again. Station1 (talk) 02:29, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

The sparrow on the windowsill

why did you delete that article? it was just about to be published — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lambodisiac (talk • contribs) 20:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

The article said it had been published on 1 December and had "received worldwide critical acclaim." As searches found no trace that was evidently not true, so I deleted it as a hoax. Wikipedia is not a place to advertise your book: even real, published books with ISBN numbers don't necessarily get an article. See WP:Notability (books) for what it takes. JohnCD (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

when the book is on Oprahs book club, you will be sorry that you deleted it. wikipedia will receive no credit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lambodisiac (talk • contribs) 09:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not holding my breath waiting; I expect Wikipedia will survive somehow. JohnCD (talk) 12:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Paying my respects

Dude why do you just go around and delete pages? don't you have like a life or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clking2012 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to help create a useful encyclopedia with articles about notable subjects. Why do you keep putting in Myspace-type pages about your friend in spite of the warning notices on your talk page? Don't you have a life? JohnCD (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Declination

You wrongly declined the proposal to remove the article Mukundgarh. It was my proposal and I was the author of the given article. RKS123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rishabh surolia123 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

But you made the proposal from a different account - DailyEditor (talk). You should only use one account, or you may be suspected of WP:Sockpuppetry. Why do you want the redirect deleted? If the name of the town is really Mukundgarh, the best thing would be to "move" the article Mukandgarh there - change its title. JohnCD (talk) 15:34, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Mukundgarh is the actual name of the town. I suppose since you must be an admin, please move the article to Mukundgarh from Mukandgarh. RKS123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rishabh surolia123 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done, but I have left Mukandgarh as a redirect, since that spelling is evidently also used - that is the spelling in my big Times Atlas, and Google finds plenty of Mukandgarh as well as Mukundgarh. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:50, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks John! Sorry I was a bit harsh the first time. Apologies! RKS123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rishabh surolia123 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

No worries! JohnCD (talk) 22:46, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

deleted wikileaks mirrors

Hi, why you deleted Wikileaks mirrors? Wikileaks did not break any law and if they are under attack by us-nazi, there is something bad in US government - are you collaborating with this us-nazi group? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.229.179.178 (talk) 06:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

See the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of WikiLeaks mirrors. JohnCD (talk) 08:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Nu Phi Delta

Hello,

I am user uakhan786 on Wikipedia. I am writing in regards to the article I wrote on Nu Phi Delta. I was hoping you could userfy it since it was deleted. This Wikipedia is extremely crucial to my organization. I do not understand why it was deleted as their are many other articles out there of the same sort in existence. In case you are wondering, my article is about my Fraternity, Nu Phi Delta, which I started in my first year of college, This Wikipedia is crucial for expansion and also so others get to know more about us, thank you. Please, explain to me how this article violates Wikipedia guidelines.

Uakhan786 (talk) 06:49, 11 December 2010 (UTC) uakhan786

 Done at User:Uakhan786/Nu Phi Delta, but I think you will have a problem demonstrating enough notability for an article; also see WP:COI. More advice on your talk page later today. JohnCD (talk) 10:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Craig Wilby

Hi John,

I am new to wiki and was just starting a article on a friend of mine and it has been deleted. Please can you explain why? The content was not offensive and as I build the page to inculde his work related achievements I believe taht you will agree that it isa usefull article. Craig has spent a lot of time developing his alarm/security system installation business and is currently recognised as one of the premium pioneers of alarm technology in Yorkshire and is planning on a large expansion program in the next two years.

Please can I have my article back so that I can complete it?

regards Smagsmith (Smagsmith (talk) 11:53, 11 December 2010 (UTC))

Sorry, but for what you are trying to do you want somewhere like Myspace. Wikipedia is a serious project to build an encyclopedia, not a place for jokey articles about your pals. Apart from the unsuitable tone -"a bit of a scally wag", "two bin lids followed on", "41mph, which is pretty piss poor as smag managed 52mph." etc. - there is no indication, even from what you say above, that your friend is notable enough to have an article. JohnCD (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

About Sultan Tarlacı's biography

Hi John, I was update my biography with references. Previously deleted for copyright problems. This English short biography created by me. And also I was use my Turkish personal web page and IPC conferences page. I was upload a personal photo but was not success. for any problem you can contact me journa@neuroquantology.com Sincerely — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solty1970 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

About Sultan Tarlacı' biographies

Mentioned books in the Turkish

Quantum Brain = Kuantum Beyin, ISBN 978-605-60209-1-9 Consciousness = Bilinç, ISBN 978-605-60209-0-2 Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solty1970 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Vandal alert

Sorry to disturb you, but the Indonesian misinformation vandal is now on a rampage. He's using 114.79.1.15 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) right now. Need action ASAP. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

whats wrong ?

just wanted to know why you deleted my page on bradley stuart richardson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bredstick (talk • contribs) 20:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

You wrote yourself "This is my page i made as a joke"; but Wikipedia is a serious project to build a serious encyclopedia, not a place for joke pages. Try Myspace or Uncyclopedia. JohnCD (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

in my opinion i do not believe myspace is very good and the encyclopedia doesn't sound like a fun site to go on and wiki is the latest craze for young people to go on and write about them selves i think you should reconsider your actions and let me write about my self on this amazing web site it is one of the best sites on the web you name it and it will have some info about it on here except now it is missing info about me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bredstick (talk • contribs) 20:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but it just isn't what Wikipedia is for. "Anyone can edit", but that does not mean anyone can put in whatever they like: if we let young people come and write about themselves we would rapidly turn into another Myspace, and we are trying to do something quite different. Article subjects have to be notable, and we strongly discourage people from writing about themselves. Read the guide to writing WP:Your first article to find out more. JohnCD (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Restoring Bitcoin

The Bitcoin article has been considerably improved since it was deleted. I would like to request that it be moved back to mainspace from its current location in the Article Incubator. It now meets notability guidelines and consensus seems to have been reached on the talk page that it should be returned to mainspace. Ultra two (talk) 22:13, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I have been watching all the activity with interest. I've commented on the talk page; I think in view of its turbulent history it should go through DRV again, but if you give me till tomorrow to check through it, I will be happy to list it there myself. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done - see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 December 12. JohnCD (talk) 23:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

About Sultan tarlacı's biography

Is the any problem for biography. I was add references. But I see warning message... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neuroquantology (talk • contribs) 12:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Nikesh Thapaliya

It was not an AUTOBIOGRAHY either and I know that wikipedia is not social networking... I don't think that the previous page that I created titled 'Nikesh Thapaliya' had to be deleted. The information were all true and it said that the Wiki team wanted the page to be written about books or work of the person... There are many pages about people and even small pages are accepted as I have seen. Nikesh is an aspiring world record holder, a media person and an upcoming celebrity of Nepal. he is multi-talented and has bright future. He needs to get publicized and his article must be on Wikipedia. There is nothing negative to do this. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NikzT (talk • contribs) 14:04, 13 December 2010

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not here to help people who "need to get publicized". To have an article, it is not enough to be an aspiring record holder or an upcoming celebrity - it is necessary to have actually achieved enough to be notable, and be able to show "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." More advice in WP:Notability (people) and WP:Your first article. JohnCD (talk) 15:22, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Bitcoin of course

On a more serious note I am extremely worried about possible compromised accounts. See [7] a guy called ribuck on that bitcoin hosted forum claimed to have written to you [8] as User:Eiffel who has been on wiki since 2004 with less than 100 edits but has edited in every year. A guy called User:Cambrasa who has been on wikipedia from 2007 but didn't edit from September 2008 and turned up on 13th December to comment on the Bitcoin DRV. A user called User:Em3rgent0rdr, who Cambrasa claims has "copied his signature", seems to have done so only to make the four recent edits culminating including the Bitcoin DRV. QUACK. On another note starting a DRV on this was a silly move :) particularly when it became apparent that the subject squeezed through the notability guidelines. Polargeo (talk) 15:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh and User:Genjix who turned up for the DRV [9] also appears to be another bitcoin forum goer [10]. Polargeo (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Damn it you really know how to open a can of worms. Next time just ask me if the article should return to mainspace and don't DRV it. Thanks. Polargeo (talk) 16:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

You never know which apparently routine action is going to turn round and bite you and end up taking weeks of your life. I replied to a REFUND request for Bitcoin, then noticed the second DRV and commented there, then saw the article reposted the very next day, moved it back to user space and salted the title, and so found myself the target for all the enthusiasts.

I don't think there's necessarily hacking going on. What seems to be happening is that anyone in the Bitcoin community who has ever had a Wikipedia account has resuscitated it and charged to the rescue. User Eiffel (talk), for instance, is the author of the oldest surviving Wikipedia edit, dating from January 2001. Even Em3rgent0rdr has had an account since last month. While all the SPA agitating is a nuisance, it is, as SPA-ing usually is, transparently obvious and has not affected the outcome - the article was kept out of mainspace until it was ready, and eventually they got the message that improving it would be more productive than agitating and making REFUND requests - though there was still another of those from an IP this morning!.

Having salted the title and thus unwillingly become the guardian of the gate, I considered just consulting you about putting it back in, but as it had twice been rejected at DRV I thought it should be revalidated there, to let some of the DRV regulars who said "no" before have another look, even if it meant another SPA-fest for the closing admin to discount.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I understand. I was half joking, you never know what is going to happen. Playing by the rule book is never going to land anyone in trouble. However, the first two DRVs were challenging my decision. This DRV is not about that but the recreation of a new article after new references have come to light and we both agree that the article can exist now per policy, my deletionist tendencies scream at me a bit but I do play by the wikipolicy when it comes to this sort of thing :). Thanks for looking after it. Polargeo (talk) 09:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

One reason to keep an eye on it, and a cynical explanation for some of the enthusiasm for getting the article restored, is this comment from Hacker News:

"Of course, for new bubbles it's all about creating buzz. And how is buzz created? Well, upon getting fooled into paying money for a bunch of bitcoins the rational next move is to start talking up bitcoins to everybody as loudly as possible, to pull more people into the bubble and inflate the value of your own assets. Thus, I predict we'll be hearing more and more about bitcoins over the next year or so as the process accelerates."

JohnCD (talk) 10:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmm suckers. Polargeo (talk) 11:00, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete Sertinos Cafe

JohnCD, I'm very curious why you deleted my article on Sertinos Cafe. It is a quick casual chain that is spreading across the nation, thought that would deserve a Wikipedia page. It is a direct competitor to Panera Brea, why are they allowed to have a wikipedia page??

-AMetsfan18 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.226.85.120 (talk) 17:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

They have independent references to show notability. More on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Potter Twins

Hi John.. I apologize for the confusion about Dr. Phil, my editing skills leave something to be desired at this point, but I'm curious why we deleted the Potter Twins article; they are noteworthy performers as far as the adult film world is concerned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voyabud (talk • contribs) 15:02, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Shortcut To Last

I saw on google searches that there was a Shortcut To Last page on Wiki so I clicked it and nothing came up, it said that the page had been deleted? I'm in that band!! I was wondering how you found out about us and how come you decided to make a wiki page and then delete it!!

Thanks

Matt Shortcut To Last —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.100.28 (talk) 16:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

There isn't any central authority here who decides what articles to make - everyone here is a volunteer, and an article is written when someone is interested enough to do it. But as an encyclopedia we do have standards for what article subjects are accepted, so new articles are checked and unsuitable ones deleted. In this case, someone wrote an article about your band, one of the (unofficial, volunteer) New Page Patrol checked it and added a tag saying it did not seem to meet our notability standard, which for bands is explained at WP:BAND, and I looked at it, agreed, and deleted it. Keep going and I expect you will get there; but don't write an article yourself, wait for one of your fans to do it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:13, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Tis the season

ϢereSpielChequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Xmas, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec10/Balloon}} to your friends' talk pages.

Thank you! How nice to see a blue sky! JohnCD (talk) 11:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes I thought of doing a realistic one, but I have it on reliable authority that the sky can be that colour. ϢereSpielChequers 11:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Bitcoin

Thank you for bringing me up to speed the status of Bitcoin, and for your work on the article. --Oldak Quill 11:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

self-promotion

Hi John. Where did you get that self-promotion template from that you used on here? I've been looking for something like that for ages.--Kudpung (talk) 12:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC) OK - found it already! --Kudpung (talk) 12:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The header is not part of it, if you want one you have to make one up. That one is perhaps a bit too WP:BITEy for most cases. Most templates have a comment within the text to say what template they are. JohnCD (talk) 14:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

EAT IT

hi how are you doing? greaaaat. anyways, i worked really hard on that "daniel choukourov" article that i made 10 minutes ago and you just went on and deleted it. not cool buddy....not cool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curlydude1337 (talk • contribs) 18:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

If you do another attack page like that, it will be deleted too, and you will probably be blocked. Read WP:BLP. JohnCD (talk) 18:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

ABaCUS College Of Engineering,Guindy

Ah. My bad.

Would you object to me placing a speedy tag on that page then? Para 2 is a copyvio and para 1 merely repeats the parent article - Amog | ^{Talk • contribs} 19:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing in the rules to stop you placing a speedy tag, though I don't off-hand see one that would fit - G12 would only work if the whole article was copyvio, you could try A7 (not notable) or G11 (promotion) but I wouldn't be really happy with either. I think the suggestd merge to the college article might be the best option. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Then I'm taking that article to Afd. It can't be merged because it's already got one line in the main article (more than it deserves). I'm really surprised this article got by the new page patrollers - Amog | ^{Talk • contribs} 12:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Page Kunal Tandel

Hi JohnCD

May I know whay tha page Kunal Tandel was deleted

Kunal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.242.9.130 (talk) 04:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

It was deleted because it gave no indication that he is important or significant enough to have an article in an encyclopedia - see WP:Notability (people); also, people are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves, for reasons explained here. There are sites like LinkedIn and Facebook for that. JohnCD (talk) 11:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Nu Phi Delta - extra questions

Hey just a few more things I needed to ask clear up. So in essence wikipedia will not permit me to have an informational page about Nu Phi Delta? In addition I would like to ask you who tagged Nu Phi Delta for deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uakhan786 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

That's correct, if the organization is not notable to Wikipedia's standard, it cannot have a page. You can tell who tagged it, because he/she left an explanation, and a welcome message, on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 11:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the AIV

I'm still getting used to doing new page patrolling and am not totally familiar with Wikipedia policies. Thanks for dealing with the warning. —Tom Morris (talk) 19:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem - making mistakes is the only way to learn (short of a six-month course before being allowed to edit!) JohnCD (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Keith Homstad

I'm wondering why you deleted ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Homstad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.158.82 (talk) 20:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Explained on the author's talk page - see note at the foot of the page. JohnCD (talk) 20:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Vandal block request.

Sorry to disturb you. 61.62.110.217 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) was blocked before for introducing long-term misinformation on Digimon-related articles and those on several train stations in Taiwan after several complaints from other users. That block expired several hours ago and has restarted his MO once again. Already reported him to WP:AIV, but no action so far. I don't want to get involved with him anymore. Thanks in advance. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

PS: AIV's also backlogged right now. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

For the clarification - it is a good contrast to the current conversation ? at the Indonesian page - interesting that we have something lying around that long undetected - cheers - have a good christmas SatuSuro 10:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

True - some systems are so un-self correcting - essential design faults in the systems thinking of mirrors and clones of wp - the gullibility is atrocious - I have serious doubts as to whether anyone realise how easy it is to do, or why due diligence or specific checking processes should be more severely put into place - it is where voluntarism and the requirements of a totally voluntary system fall on its own sword SatuSuro 23:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Response to "Your edit to User talk:Michelakis"

Thank you for correcting me. I will remember that in the future. --ForgottenHistory (talk) 16:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. I really appreciate that.--Mike Michelakis

Outrage

This is an outrage.

You are a sad sad man.

This was a genuine page.

Get a life before the only one you are blessed with fades away... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.53.185 (talk) 23:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Before my sad life fades away, tell me: which page? JohnCD (talk) 12:23, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Michelle Malkin

I just partially restored the edits you revdeled -- while the edit was mistaken, it wasn't grossly offensive, and hence didn't fall under the very strict WP:REVDEL criteria. I left the edit summaries deleted, though, as they had slightly more potential for damage. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, no problem with your solution; the edit summaries certainly needed to go, unless supplemented by a dummy edit with edit summary making clear they were about someone else. I thought a false accusation of "dishonesty, fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation", combined with the edit summaries, qualified under the "Other defamation/personal information issues" option in the drop-down box. RD2 is rather ambiguous, allowing "slurs and smears" as a reason but "not mere factual statements" - should one take "mere factual statements" to include false statements? JohnCD (talk) 18:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Article Deletion

I appreciate your response, but I do believe the article meets speedy deletion under G10. After going through all the edit warring and problems with the article, I just believe that it is tainted beyond repair. The user who created this article obviously was involved with vandalism and is not a reliable source. Do you think that a regular nomination for deletion would be more appropriate? Ryderofpelham123 (talk) 00:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The article certainly has a messy history, as do many articles, but that can be summarised as: new author adds an article which is too "fluffy" and promotional, others tone it down and reference it, original author shows WP:OWNership tendencies, edit-wars to keep his preferred formats and unencyclopedic details and is eventually blocked. The eventual article seems to me quite neutral and adequately sourced: I really cannot see why you think it is an attack, and it certainly does not fit WP:CSD#G10 "Pages that disparage or threaten their subject or some other entity, and serve no other purpose." So the answer to your question is, it is not speediable, and if you think it should be deleted you will have to take it to AfD - not PROD which is only for uncontroversial deletions. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

What are your thoughts on an AFD deletion? Would you support it, and do you think it would succeed?

Ryderofpelham123 (talk) 19:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I mentioned AfD because that is the only route if you want to get this article deleted; but I would myself !vote keep, and my opinion is that an AfD would decide keep. I still do not understand what problem you see with the article in its present state. Suggestion: one way to get some more opinions would be to post at the BLP notice-board, WP:BLP/N. JohnCD (talk) 21:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

My problem with the article is that we have no indication of whether it has true facts about the subject. I understand that have been major edits and everything has been cited, but it was started under bad pretenses. In my opinion, an article has to be rewritten from scratch to remove any part of the original creator.

Ryderofpelham123 (talk) 21:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

My reading of the originator is that it is someone close to the subject (because of the wish to get the family dog in), probably a child (because of the childish edit-warring about trivialities like date-linking which led to the block). But given the clean-up by experienced users, and the adequate sourcing, the end result seems to me OK. Many articles have a fairly turbulent history; there is an old joke, originally about laws, which goes: Why are Wikipedia articles like sausages? Because, though they are useful, you'd rather not know too much about the processes by which they are made. If you're not happy, post at WP:BLP/N and get some more opinions. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I suppose your right. Thanks for the advice. I guess it makes little sense to go to AFD. Ryderofpelham123 (talk) 23:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Build A Workout

Hi, I am wondering why my post keeps getting deleted, could you help me out? It would be very helpful if you could tell me what it is that is biased or what needs to be added/deleted. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seavey63 (talk • contribs) 01:34, 23 December 2010

This has been explained at great length on your talk page, but in summary: you are trying to use Wikipedia to promote your new business which doesn't start till next year, but

• Wikipedia is not a notice-board, it is a project to build an encyclopedia
• As an encyclopedia, it is selective about subjects: they have to be notable, which is not a matter of opinion but must be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." It is most unlikely that a business which has not yet started will be able to do that, but Wikipedia only reports on things which are already established.
• In any case, in order to keep a WP:Neutral point of view, we have strong rules against editing with a WP:Conflict of interest, so even if your business were notable, you should not be writing about it.

There are links on your talk page to the policies which explain all this in more detail. If your new business succeeds and becomes notable, someone independent of it will probably write an article about it. JohnCD (talk) 10:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

RE: Build A Workout

Build A Workout:

Hi John, Thanks again for the note. I am a user of Build A Workout's programs, the website will be launching Jan 1. The business has been running for 6 months now, and I was a client about 3 months ago. I dont see how my post is biased. I have read the statements posted and still do not understand the unambiguous advertisement. Are there any specific suggestions that you have? I know there are others that would like to add to this, should I have them contribute to make it more legitimate? Thanks again, and sorry for my naive knowledge of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.224.52 (talk) 14:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Since you say "I don't see how my post is biased", you must be Seavey63 (talk · contribs), and presumably you are, or are related to, Dan Seavey, the founder of the business. Your talk page now has more than 1700 words of notices and advice, and I really do not know how to explain more clearly than I have there and above, but here is one more try:

• An anyone-can-edit encyclopedia is vulnerable to being used for advertising. To avoid that, Wikipedia has a strict policy of WP:Neutral point of view, and strong rules against editing with a WP:Conflict of interest. Dan Seavey, or anyone related to him or working for him, is the last person who should be writing articles about his business.
• Phrases like "designed to fit your needs", "mathematically proven to work effectively", "strong community ties and result-driven programs", "thriving, well respected business" are pure PR-speak - that is an advertisement, not an encyclopedia article. If you cannot see that they are promotional, you are certainly too close to the subject to be able to write impartially about it.
• In any case, even an article neutrally-written by someone with no COI would not be acceptable unless it showed that the subject was notable - see WP:42 - and it is highly unlikely that so new a business will have achieved that.

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not the place for what you are trying to do. JohnCD (talk) 15:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Farso777

John, as you seem to be a fairly active admin at the moment, can I draw your attention to the above article. It clearly belongs somewhere in the SPI system, but I don't know quite where to move it to (if, indeed, a move is the best way of dealing with it). Thanks. Jimmy Pitt talk 21:41, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Fixed - now at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Farso777. JohnCD (talk) 22:37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

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At this festive time, I would like to say a very special thank you to my fellow editors, and take the time to wish you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year. And, in case you can't wait until the big day, I've left you each three special presents, click to unwrap :) Acather96 (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

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IainCormack123

This is a kid of about 8 or 9 who insists on putting up articles about his football club (founded last October - on a Scottish island...). He is a total pain, though probably quite clever. The other tallest people editors are probably mates. I seem to remember that there was a sockpuppet investigation. 19:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)Peridon (talk)

Thanks - I hadn't realised this wasn't his first identity. Blocked for block evasion of Iaincormack (talk). I don't see an SPI under that name, but this is an open and shut, not to say quacking, case. Let's hope he gets bored soon. JohnCD (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

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454 Life Entertainment

On reenlisting the page. There is sufficient sources to start the page and they have music videos that were featured on MTV JAMS. Yomamsmama99 (talk) 17:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The article was deleted after a deletion debate at WP:Articles for deletion/454 Life Entertainment, and because it was re-created so many times it has been protected against creation. Advice on your talk page soon. JohnCD (talk) 21:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and advice.Yomamsmama99 (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Artur Balder References

• References: I dont know if it should be done here, but I will add some references below.

There are references to Artur Balder as writer in the most important Spanish media. I list some of them:

List of references

El País, published for instance in nacional sites, culture, books 2006: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/cultura/Artur/Balder/triunfa/narrativa/infantil/debuta/historica/elpepicul/20060610elpepicul_5/Tes?print=1 On the other hand it is strange that someone can state that may be the Artur Balder of Little Spain is not the same as the Artur BAlder of the books, since at the official site of the documentary you can download the press kit in high resolution, and in the chapter that it dedicates to the director, Artur Balder is the author of El Evangelio de la Espada, Crónicas de Widukind, and this is too in the GERMAN wikipedia stated. Both links: http://little-spain.us/Little_Spain_Prensa_2010.pdf http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artur_Balder The Little Spain official site links to an official Flickr site where is clear to see the references of Artur Balder. I invite you to visit the www.little-spain.us Artur Balder is author of, as far as I know, 7 novels, some them translated into 8 languages, including nederlands, italian, french, with major publishing houses. The publishing house in spanish for his fantasy fiction is Random House Mondadori. You can read at the corporate website of RHM the recommendation of the author: http://www.randomhousemondadori.com/Sellos/SellosFicha.aspx?Idioma=En&id=15 The historical fiction is being published by Edhasa, a major prestigious publishing house in Spain: http://www.casadellibro.com/libro-el-evangelio-de-la-espada-cronicas-de-widukind-/1811185/2900001410005 The official site for its last historical fiction, published in november 2010, had a shortfilm for promotion of the saga, and all the information is available in english, german and spanish, with an excerpt of the book in russian, too: htt://www.widukind.eu References caused by announcement the documentary of "Little Spain": http://www.google.be/search?q=%22little+spain%22+documental&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:official&client=firefox-a Looking at the search result you can see ALL the spanish media in the list in the first 100 results, from La Vanguardia, El País, El Mundo, La Razón... Just all. There is consensus about the relevance of the work of Artur Balder in relationship with the restoring of the historical memory of a large number of immigrants in New York City and Little Spain. The information, that was not intended primarly to the american media, was however trnaslated from agency EFE AMERICA reports into the pages of the Chicago Tribune and Latin American Herald Tribune, and translated into english: http://www.google.be/search?q=%22little+spain%22+documentary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:official&client=firefox-a Particularly the link to The Latin American Herald Tribune: http://laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=13003&ArticleId=378105 And this is the resulat of a first private screening at La Nacional, the Spanish Benevolent Society of NY, last november, for the Spanish media and media agencies. Wikipedists have to know that the documentary is going to be released in a major film festival of New york city in 2011, but I cannot write down the name since it will be 100% sure. The IMDb has accepted the credits of Balder's work in film industry during the last 10 years: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3470412/

Articles about Artur Balder are present in about 10 languages of Wikipedia, included the german one.

I hope I can rebuild a logical article about the subject, and later continue adding other contributions since there are a lot of historical interesting discoverings at 14th street of Manhattan in relationship with its Spanish American past.

Lolox76 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC).

No, there is no point listing them here, the DRV is the right place, and if the article is restored then add them to that. IMDb is not useful for notability, because people can edit their own entries, and references to other Wikipedias are not useful for notability either, though you may be able to find references there to use in an article here. JohnCD (talk) 18:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

May I make a correction? IMDb dont let anyone to edit their own pages: you can submit information, but they need proof of release, media presence, theatrical premiere or/and other professional parameters in film industry. You can try yourself. In addition to all that, I have to say that there is "personal" interest from norwegian wikipedist Orland aka literary critic (or whatever) Morten Haugen in depreciate the work of the article subject. As for references in other Wikipedias, it is not difficult to undestand the matter in just a 10% of the listed above. But there are more. --Lolox76 (talk) 20:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

No, IMDb's fact-checking is not considered thorough or reliable, see this discussion from the Reliable Sources noticeboard. In one of the last discussions of it that I read, one of our admins wrote: "Their fact-checking is spotty at best, especially for any trivia and the like. (I have an IMDb listing myself, and most of what's in there was provided by me.)" JohnCD (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

You are right only in some aspect: trivia, explanation about characters and other secundary informations are like that, IF A TITTLE WAS FACT-CHECKED BEFORE AND ACCEPTED; but it seems that you never tried to submit a NEW TITLE, so, a new movie, and specially a feature film or documentary. See here: http://www.imdb.com/updates?update=title --Lolox76 (talk) 10:00, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Hereby awarded to you for having a lot of patience regarding a certain new editor. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you! I wonder if he could speak English if he tried, instead of that extraordinary jargon? JohnCD (talk) 13:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

i wanna profil like urs here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnCD u help me maake 1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamar burton (talk • contribs) 19:14, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks also for looking out for opportunities to help new users like myself (e.g. explaining why a page I accidentally created was deleted even though you didn't delete the page and for trying to answer another question that was not in your area).

Verapar (talk) 05:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

ACT Hybrid Vehicle Authority

Tell me how this blatant hoax needs to slog its way through AFD for a week or longer. Go on. Oh wait, it DOESN'T BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY A G3 and you're just being a process wonk. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 23:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

• How many more eyes do they need? Just kill the freaking things already. No need to let them rot in AFD. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 23:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

• Message crossed with yours. We disagree about what makes a G3 - I think it's "Elvis is alive and well and living in the moon" or "Tommy Smith aged 13 is captain of Manchester United", something that is obvious at sight or after one simple check, not something that takes an hour or so of checking. I grant you that, with the same one-off author, these are close to the border, but I'd still like some more eyes on them. JohnCD (talk) 23:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

• By the way, you might wanna look at this. The user just left a trollesque comment on your talk page, which is how I caught this user. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 19:28, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks - I have commented there. I was patiently trying to help what I thought was an incoherent newbie, but had about decided he was a troll. My reward will be in heaven - no, actually, I've already had my reward, because Gogo Dodo kindly gave me a barnstar, see just above. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 21:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of User:Faizswati/Zahid Khan Nazim for Speedy Deletion

Thank you for your correction regarding nominating pages for speedy deletion. This page is about a deputy mayor of a small rural town. The page has been created and deleted many times with different names probably by the same user. I am not sure whether G11 applies to it or not as G11 does not speak about persons in its explanation. I tag the page with G11 now; if I am wrong, please correct me again. --Peteryan david (talk) 04:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

No, it is not promotional enough to qualify for G11. It is not really speediable; users are given considerable freedom for what they have in user sub-pages like this, and the "userspace draft" template ensures that it is not indexed by Google, so this is not a back-door way to get someone into Wikipedia. Eventually it may need to be nominated at WP:MFD citing WP:FAKEARTICLE, but discussions at MfD usually allow a userspace draft to remain for several months, in case it could be improved, before agreeing to delete. JohnCD (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

would like to know why my page was deleted.

Hello Sir,

Kidly explain why my page was deleted. I think my tone was quite neutral and I substantiated entries with verifiable sources. If there was a problem I would have gladly fixed the problem. Thank you Jorge Pupo

PS: Originally I created user name User:JPoNyC without knowing. What I really wanted to use was my real name: Jorge Pupo. Somehow it became User:JPoNyC/Jorge Pupo when all I wanted it it to read was simply : Jorge Pupo, which is my name. I'm just learning how to use wikipedia and find instructions exptremely difficult to understand. I am trying so please help me out here. Kindly talk to me. I've spent so much time creating this. thanks so much. Jorge Pupo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.1.237 (talk) 04:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Your page Jorge Pupo has not been deleted; all that was deleted was the redirect left behind when you moved it from your user sub-page at User:JPoNyC/Jorge Pupo. More advice on your talk page soon. JohnCD (talk) 10:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

discussion on WP:FN about new subsection

I've also started this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(footnotes)#New_subsection_for_consecutive_sentences_using_the_same_source If you have any thoughts, please share :) -Verapar (talk) 07:31, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

My signature

Hello JohnCD, you said my signature leads to a recently deleted page, which I have seen too. To resolve the problem I dont know what to do, can you please help me?--Cruks2011^(talk) 11:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Click "My preferences" and "User profile", and look at the "Signature" section, where the checkbox "Treat the above as wiki markup" will be checked. Look in the Wikicode in the box just above - at the end there will be something like [[User discussion:Cruks|talk]]. Alter that to read [[User talk:Cruks|talk]], and all should be well. JohnCD (talk) 11:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Sterling Winfield

Considering my prod tag was about references, and there's now one in the article, I'm good... Bearcat (talk) 19:45, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

hangon

John,

I created portability (estate planning) in good faith, hoping to inform the public about a new term that is coming into use. I am new to Wiki and did not understand the rules. I would be happy to re-write my entry to conform to them.

Thanks, Deborah L. Jacobs (Deborah L. Jacobs (talk) 21:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC))

I will answer on your talk page tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 23:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

self-published source/reliable sources: statements of opinion

Hi, I have a question:

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources#Statements_of_opinion

Some sources may be considered reliable for statements as to their author's opinion, but not for statements asserted as fact without an inline qualifier like "(Author) says...". A prime example of this is Op-ed columns in mainstream newspapers. When using them, it is better to explicitly attribute such material in the text to the author to make it clear to the reader that they are reading an opinion.

There is an important exception to sourcing statements of fact or opinion: Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, blogs and tweets as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the biographical material. "

From WP:SPS Self-published..sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities,

Two questions:

1) To use a quote that describes an action taken along with a third party (so this would be for "sources of information about themselves" "in articles about their activities" e.g. in an article mentioning the family's response to the album):

Jackie Jackson reported, "My friend John McClain (co-executor) and I have insisted for many weeks to have certain tracks removed from Michael's new album."

It would seem that it has to be modified so it appears as:

Jackie Jackson reported, "I have insisted for many weeks to have certain tracks removed from Michael's new album."

Or can I use the full quote but also add a second citation that supports the info about John McClain? e.g. http://www.showbiz411.com/2010/11/09/michael-jackson-producer-teddy-riley-blames-co-executor-for-bad-press

2) It would seem that I could use a twitter post by Jackie Jackson as source of information about the author's opinion, as long as I use an "an inline qualifier" like "(Author) says..." so that it is not asserted as fact.

Verapar (talk) 05:22, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I am not an expert in this area, but my opinion would be (1) you could use the full quote if you add the second citation, and (2) yes, I agree. If you want a further opinion, or if you make the edits and someone disagrees, the WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard would be the palce to get advice. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. It seemed it might be better to ask an individual known user first, as I'm aware that there can be hostility from other users when there is a controversial issue posted on a more public place. If anyone else reading this has more info, you can also reply. Verapar (talk) 22:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply from a random user. I don't know much about this either. I would be very careful editing Michael Jackson; it would be easy to get in trouble because it is a featured article and someone has to defend their work against all comers. I agree with the replies you got from JohnCD here. Good luck. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm wasn't thinking to put it on Michael Jackson, but the page on his album in a section about the responses from the family and others. Verapar (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

May I chime in? Verapar has asked the same question on my talk page. My thinking is that self-published sources are OK in articles about the person publishing the source or their activities (WP:SPS). So Jackie Jackson's Twitter quotes are good for his article and the article about his discography. However, this quote implies that after insisting the songs be removed, the record company (or whoever) refused. To me, its the implication that is problematic. Using the Twitter account is good for the fact that Jackson said that, but I think we need a reliable source to contextualize that quote.--Chaser (talk) 04:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I thought the quote could be used where there is a summary of the various responses/opinions from the family & others about the album. So there may be "contextualizing" sources already where I add the quote. So I think you are saying the quote is implying a claim about some third party (the album producer is the main opponent/representative from my sources below). Below is an example with reliable sources to support the implicit claims in his quote:

Both Jackie Jackson and Katherine Jackson have voiced their objections to certain tracks on the album. The album producer, Teddy Riley, says he has fought the family's objections and insists that the vocals are authentic and were pieced together from different takes. Jackie Jackson reported his "friend John McClain (co-executor)" also insisted on the removal of certain tracks (or "also objected to certain tracks" to be more general) and Riley confirmed that McClain "challenged” him about songs on the album. But Riley claims McClain objects for personal reasons: "Now all of a sudden it’s not Michael’s voice because his [McClain's] songs didn’t make it."

References:

Note there are only two citations of Jackie's quote, the extra two are from above. Thanks. -Verapar (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Again replying in response to a request on my talk page. You know, edits can be undone and redone so easily. I think Verapar should just go ahead and do whatever he or she would like to do and not worry too much about it. Who knows if your changes will still be there in two years. And if somebody objects, then work it out with them. Just my two cents. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for answering again. That is true too but I want try to understand all the details ahead of time in a possibly more neutral environment, where hopefully people won't be commenting based on their personal feelings about the content. I want to be sure that I understand and have addressed the issue Chaser brought up. Or if anyone has further thoughts about that issue, I would appreciate hearing about that as well. -Verapar (talk) 06:31, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

The write-up above resolved the issues. I saw. I don't know whether this showbiz411 source is reliable, but the Guardian obviously is. I doubt anyone else would object if you posted it now.--Chaser (talk) 07:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for replying. Well Roger Friedman, the author of the showbiz411 article seems to be fairly well established http://www.showbiz411.com/about . What do you think of this source: http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/%E2%80%9C-conspiracy-z%E2%80%9D-says-producer-michael-jackson-civil-war-over-%E2%80%9Cbreaking-news%E2%80%9D-heats-224, the journalist seems to have more credentials than Friedman http://www.1972rocks.com/bio.php , his blog: http://www.thewrap.com/blog/dominic-patten - Verapar (talk) 15:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Susan. I don't have time to vet all these references for you before you post them. Use your best judgment and discuss the issue civilly if someone objects.--Chaser (talk) 08:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks, you were saying you didn't know if the showbiz411 article was reliable. I was just wondering if the article from The Wrap was better. -Verapar (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

From Sid

Sir, I wanted to know the reasons why the page Remunerating Pearls was deleted even after the point that the band is a big success here in India.I can assure of my words being a member of the band.Sir please help and tell me the reasons the page of the band cannot stay up on Wikipedia,so that i can work upon my article and it may find a place in Wikipedia.Sir we only want our fans to know more about us and I find Wikipedia the best place for.Its not a promotion in any way it would rather be informative when it comes to our fans. Sid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidtauras (talk • contribs) 18:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

See WP:BAND for what a band must have achieved before they can have a Wikipedia article, and WP:COI for why in any case you should not be writing about your own band. Sorry, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a notice-board for you to talk to your fans - you have your Facebook page for that, or Myspace. JohnCD (talk) 18:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Gavin Scott (Theologian)

Feel free to delete, there is no such person- I made the article up a few years ago and totally forgot about it- then learned about the sandbox. Sorry about that! Dunfermline Scholar (talk) 13:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done, thank you for confessing, don't do it again! JohnCD (talk) 13:44, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Please help on the Youvan bio

John: Twice now, major deletions have been made on Douglas Youvan, my first and only article. As far as I know, I am not doing anything wrong. Please have a talk with Crowsnest and see what is bothering him. OK? Bridgettttttte_babble^poop 15:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

No, sorry, but I do not want to get involved here - admins have no special authority in content disputes, and I am short of time at the moment. You should discuss the question on the article talk page and try to reach a WP:Consensus - that page explains further options such as WP:Third opinion if you cannot reach agreement. JohnCD (talk) 22:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

dr. jagatjit singh kohli

hello. this is dr. jagatjit singh kohli. you deleted my page from wikipedia. could you please tell me the reason for that? my email address is jaggiekohli@hotmail.com

regards, dr. kohli —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.62.19 (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid that you have not understood what Wikipedia is - a collaborative project to build an encyclopedia. I explained on your talk page the reason why I deleted your user page: it was an advertisement for your services, even quoting prices, but Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion of any kind. Users are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves, for reasons explained at WP:Autobiography, and the user-page policy says that "Wikipedia is not a general hosting service, so your user page is not a personal website. Your user page is about you as a Wikipedian, and pages in your user space should be used as part of your efforts to contribute to the project" and specifically prohibits "Advertising or promotion of an individual, business, organization, group, or viewpoint unrelated to Wikipedia." Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)