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Sorry to sound a bit harsh here, but I see that you have copied the archive template style that I created back in June 2014. You are aware that it is compulsory to ask a user if you may copy all or part of their user page styles? The Page I created is User talk:Wesley Mouse/Archive Temp - I gave the unique subpage title "/Archive Temp" for simplicity purposes. I see that on 22 October 2014 you also created the same subpage title of "/Archive Temp". On this occasion I shall let it pass and will move my original version to a new title. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 16:41, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know that this was a specific template you created yourself, I thought it was just a generic template that anyone could use. I apologise. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Not to worry, I understand the confusion. If a page has a slash / subpage, then it means it is connected to its parent page, in this case user page. I've given the one I created a more unique title to avid confusion from other potential members. Personally, I find it flattering when other Wikipedian's are inspired by my designs and wish to use the same or similar on their pages, as long as the ask or at least attribute. I fell under that trap when I first joined Wikipedia and copied without asking, and I got a big telling off. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:28, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I was so worried that you were furious with me so I'm glad you're not :P { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah! I wasn't furious, just surprised when I noticed it. I've had another user copy my current signature style shortly after this incident, without asking. That one did get me a little growling to say the least. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 20:18, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Probably just because you're an amazing editor that everyone in the ProjectEurovision community looks up to :P. But once again just thanks for not getting too mad. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:23, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

And thanks for the swift reverting action at Eurovision Song Contest 2015. Although be careful of the 3 revert rule, as I would be mortified if you were to get blocked for edit warring. I have posted a warning at Mikeagell98 talk page regarding his behaviour. If he does it again, then point him out to the advice given at User talk:CT Cooper#Eurovision rarity; in which it was decided that this is a rare (well a first time occurrence) that a country has confirmed their return to a contest, well before the current one has begun. Having the information included in ESC2015 provided further update on Turkey's situation; which in turn permitted the addition of the 2016 row on Turkey's Eurovision article; and the early creation of Eurovision 2016 article. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 20:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

• It looks like the archive template is on the verge of deletion, after it has been nominated by the serial template deletionist. I have recreated a similar version at User:Wesley Mouse/Wes archives, if you wish to adopt that before the nominated template becomes deleted. Wes Mouse ✒ 17:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Ellie Goulding pic

Not quite sure why I've just been informed my edit was reverted when I just corrected a typo, but that's technology for you, I guess. For what it's worth though, I think the new one does look a lot better. This is Paul (talk) 14:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

The only reason your edit was reverted was because I was attempting to revert some IP user's edit but yours was in the way. After looking to see what you edited I believe it was just correcting a typo that the IP user did, so I figured restoring a previous revision and undoing both of your edits wouldn't do much harm. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:14, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Aminata

The way I see it "Latvian" can mean several things - country of origin, ethnicity (tautība), nationality (valstspiederība), personal identity etc. In Aminata's case it would appear she is multi-ethnic, but probably Latvian on all other accounts. It is possible that the same applies to her mother and she meant any of these other identities by saying that her mother is Latvian, but she didn't really elaborate. In the interview with Ieva she dedicates quite a bit more than one sentence to her origins and explains that actually only her maternal grandfather is ethnic Latvian from Latgale. Her maternal grandmother is Russian. I just find it stylistically weird to say that person is Latvian multiple times in one sentence, when it isn't really that certain that she prefers only that side of her heritage (and besides point of all this is to explain her daughter's origins and identity) ~~Xil (talk) 22:06, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Cup - March 2015

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• Jjj, may we still tempt you to sign up for the Eurovision Cup? Looking at the number of new articles for ESC2015 that you've created (which out of interest would score 4 points per stub article; or 5 point were they to be automatic start-class) would put you in good standing of achieving a top-3 spot at the end of the month. There's still time to sign up for March's contest - deadline for signing is today. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 20:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

You got me :P { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking with the number of new articles you have created so far; that any you do create this month will soon add up points. And those points help to be crowned Member of the Month. :-D Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 22:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I hope I'll be able to. Recently whenever I'm creating a new article after they've won their national selection, some user (not sure who) creates a one sentence article that creates an edit conflict and I end up having to fix them up. Not sure if it's the same person but they keep creating articles for every Melodifestivalen 2015 contestant that I've been fixing up because they seem to be directly translated from the Swedish wikipedia without checking for grammar mistakes. It's a little annoying but oh well. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 22:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I'd probably check on the edit history of Melodifestivalen 2015 and cross-reference with who is creating these one-liners. Then perhaps posting a polite comment on their talk page mentioning about edit conflicts etc. Should do the trick. On the note of these infoboxes; I'm almost done. Got through the 1955-1989; and now doing 1990-2014 (all of 2015 have been done). Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 22:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks Wes :) { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 23:12, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Måns

Please take a look at the article about Måns Zelmerlöw. I have done several edits to improve the article ahead of his likely Melodifestivalen winning next weekend. Any further improvements are appreciated. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:21, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Detailed results of the Greek national final

Hello, please, could you give the source from which the detailed results of the Greek national final have been taken? Thanks in advance :) Gianluca91 (talk) 01:06, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Useful tip

Jjj, I noticed the revert at Há um mar que nos separa - well done for spotting and removing it. Here is a useful tip in case you stumble across any more like that. Link to WP:NOTLYRICS in the edit summary, just in case the users attempt to re-add the content. Hopefully it will deter them from warring and they pay attention that Wikipedia is not a lyrics database. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 15:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks Wes, I'll do that next time. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I found all the shortcut links from what Wikipedia is not to be a good deterrent against people re-adding content. They basically realise that Wikipedia is not what they thought it were. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 15:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Aleš Vovk DOB

Hi, Jjj1238. If there is a Slovenian source for his birthday, you can certainly add it the English language article. See WP:NONENG for details. Parameters can be found on Template:Citation. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Romania ESC 2015

Hi-->Jjj1238! Would Voltaj sing their song in Romanian or English at Eurovision? They've already done a English version of their song, called All Over Again. °°Cartoon network freak°° 17:42, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The English language version of the song is actually called "From the beginning", the English translation of their Romanian entry is "All over again" - just to point out the factual error there. As for whether they will perform the song in Romanian or English, is not our choice unfortunately. That decision would be down to the artists or Romanian delegation; and then upto the EBU to update their eurovision,tv website accordingly to verify. Until such verification is published from the primary source, then we cannot speculate as that constitutes original research. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:29, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Just to further clarify the translation.

• Translation of "From the beginning" would be De la început].
• Translation of "De la capăt" would be "All over again".

Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:35, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Wes, I believe the English-language version of the song really is "All Over Again" (source). Through my knowledge of French and the fact that Romanian and French were both Romance languages I assumed that "de la" made sense as meaning "of/from the", as that was the translation used on the Romania in the ESC 2015 article until someone randomly changed it. I had no clue what capăt meant so I just went along with whatever was written. Unless de la capăt happens to be a Romanian phrase meaning all over again, I'm pretty sure that's just the English version of the song, unless it's actually both. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 18:45, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

forskning

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You're withdrawing? I never expected that to happen. Thought you might want to try and retain your crown. Anyhow, you have scored 2 points up until the moment you withdrew, which will still be counted, just nothing else being tallied up (unless of course you change your mind). Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 10:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I am, sorry Wes. It's just that since I won I've already achieved my goal and I wanted to let the others who haven't won yet have a chance to win. But I'm not ruling out a possible return in the future. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 10:15, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi

(cur | prev) 18:54, 23 March 2015‎ Jjj1238 (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (1,990 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Jjj1238 moved page I'll Be Fine (Molly Pettersson Hammar song) to I'll Be Fine over redirect: Unless these songs are given articles the title should remain like this) (undo | thank)

Fine but that's a bit of a random process which depends on which songs get stubs. The Janita song did better than this song, why doesn't it have an article? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @In ictu oculi: and Jjj1238, if there other songs with the same title, then really I'll Be Fine should become a disambiguated page with all of the song titles listed. And the previous redirect undone immediately. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 16:18, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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Candy (Georgian band)

I saw your edit on CANDY, and I agree that the ':a weren't necessary, so I added a (Empty) between the first part and the members. Do you think that was any better? (Candy (Georgian group)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.30.61.109 (talk) 15:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Eurovision map

Hi. Just wondering if you know how to edit the Eurovision map? Thanks Lucky102 (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't. I understand how annoying it is for the map to go unedited for a long time, but sadly I don't know how to edit it. I'd suggest talking to someone on its commons page. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Eurovision

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Kosovo

I don't think that should even be on ESC2016 article to be honest. Even the website headline states "rumour mill" which makes it WP:CRYSTAL speculation. Also they are quoting the Twitter source, which was the reason Kosovo was removed from the article in the first place. If you recall back to the project debate about the prohibition of Twitter as sources. So on that account, I would remove it from the article. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 21:13, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I only added it because I've seen it on several Eurovision news websites. To be honest I doubt they'll be allowed to participate, it's either completely fake or just an interval act in my mind. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:25, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

The wording in the tweet is dubious in itself. Just so we are clear: I actually KNOW #Kosovo will participate in next years @Eurovision #ESC2016 event. I can’t tell you how yet though. Perhaps Kosovo are looking to be an interval act, like Australia were in 2013 and 2014. Or Kosovo are sending a singer to participate for Albania again. The tweet is just too ambiguous and making an exceptional claim. Even WP:Twitter discourages the use of them as sources. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 21:32, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

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Big project task on the horizon

Jjj, you like creating articles for country by year, right? There is a big task regarding JESC article on the horizon that will require as many hands on deck as possible. You up for the challenge? Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:02, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I'm up for it. What do I have to do? { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 17:10, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

There is an AfD regarding a JESc singer, Eliias. It isn't the first to be nominated for deletion and resulted in being merged into its respective country article, or deleted completely because no country article existed; and won't be the last either, unless of course we get ahead of the game. From what has been picked upon, is that there are 70 BLP articles that will need checking for notability. If any fail WP:MUSIC, WP:BLP1E, and WP:GNG, then they need to be moved into a [Country] in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest [year]; and then we are avoiding WP:NOTREPOSITORY, WP:SPEEDY, and WP:AfD on these bios. And it has been recommended that in future, we no longer create a BLP article for JESC participants, except for the winning artist(s). Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - Issue 47

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Reverts

Jjj, be more careful when making reversions like you did at Ukraine in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2015. Although I now see you meant to remove the IP's vandalism; but you also reverted an compulsory manual of style clean-up that I made too. Wes Mouse ✒ 00:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Volshebstvo

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August 2015

Hello, I'm Iryna Harpy. Your recent edit to the page Vovk appears to have added incorrect information, so I have removed it for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:54, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Iryna Harpy: I think this warning is a bit out of hand, and that you need to be researching policies much better before making edit summaries like this. Per WP:DABREF sources are not to be added to disambiguated pages. Also the editing pattern indicates that you and Jjj are engaged in an edit war over content dispute. Per WP:BRD if you are dissatisfied with content after the initial bold revert, then it is your responsibility to initiate a discussion on the DAB's talk page to reach a mutual consensus. Editing warring like you did and then issuing a warning like this, is disrupting to illustrate a point and an abuse of the rollback tool. I would urge you both to take this to the Talk:Vovk and discuss the content disagreement, and work to a resolution that suits both parties. For starters, the opening line on that DAB page could do with improving. Vovk is an Eastern European surname that originates from Ukraine, which translates as "wolf". Notable people with this surname include. That resolves this petty dispute over the inclusion of Slovenia. Wes Mouse ✒ 11:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: I'm sorry, but where did you pull this 'edit warring' business from? If you'd bothered to check on the extended period of time these changes came about, and to check on my engagement with Jjj1238 over the previous introduction of the content, you might just find that this is not the first time I have discussed this with him/her, and that these changes were reintroduced without the sourcing... and, yes, I checked the Maraaya article yet again yesterday and still see that there are no RS for the dates of birth of either members of the group, which is why I've tagged these as needing citations. I've allowed for a few months for RS to be found for these, yet there still aren't any. You should be well aware of the fact that this is known as a WP:BLPVIO and are not subject to WP:BRD: I would be well within my rights to simply remove these dates in the article, and will do so if nothing is found within a short period of time. Such editing practice is entirely in keeping with fundamental Wikipedia practice because BLPs are subject to WP:HARM.

With regards to your WP:ASPERSIONS as to my editing skills and "petty" disputes, perhaps you could explain what it was that I reverted in this "petty dispute". Take a look at the diff you've pointed out the ES: "Vovk is a surname of both Ukrainian origin that means wolf." Can you honestly tell me that it makes any sense? If you wish to change the content to read as "Vovk is an Eastern European surname that originates from Ukraine, which translates as "wolf". Notable people with this surname include", feel free to do so. I have no objections to it.

A word of advice: always check to see who the editor you are spelling policy out to is, and bear in mind their level of experience. How much would you enjoy my tossing in wikilinks in order to thoroughly lecture you on Wikipedia's WP:PG? Have you even bothered to take note of the fact that the majority of my editing is on high profile, contentiousness articles on WP:ARB sanctions list, yet have never been blocked. If you believe I've been 'abusing' rollback rights, report me to the WP:ANI where I will be more than happy to find all of the diffs for discussions with Jjj1238. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

If that be the case, then yes, the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. But it still does not excuse the factor that in your edit summary for Vovk, you stated that Jjj1238 had to provide a source. WP:DABREF clearly states that sources are not required for the dab page, but are required per WP:BLP, for the main article. Perhaps the wording of your edit summary should have had more clarity so that people know you meant the article had no source, rather than making it look like the disambiguated page required a citation. Without clarity, becomes confusion. Wes Mouse ✒ 23:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually, if we're going to get pernickety over DAB pages, we should to follow disambiguation protocols correctly, and WP:ONEBLUELINKDAB should apply here. In other words, there is no article on Aleš Vovk, and his notability is based on being a member of Maraaya. I have, therefore, changed the DAB page to reflect this. As it stood, he is the only Aleš Vovk on the page, therefore DoB is redundant. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:46, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

On a final note, I'm not exactly certain as to what you're trying to establish with your alternative opening line, Wesley Mouse. Firstly, there are a variety of Eastern Europeans. I'm assuming you are referring to East Slavs. How this assists in qualifying the addition of Slovene names makes no sense as they are South Slavs. What is it you feel needs to be better qualified for the surname "Vovk"? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:27, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@Iryna Harpy: I wholeheartedly agree that protocols and especially policies in regards to living people, should be adhered to, if they are being understood correctly. And I see that you have misunderstood what WP:ONEBLUELINKDAB is advising. Perhaps you meant to highlight MOS:DABRL, rather than incorrectly highlighting what you did. Merely for the fact that your interpreted link only come into effect when the issue is regarding primary topics, to which confusion may arise between a subject and a disambiguated page. Did you also forget to check WP:REDLINK, which advises on the allowance of redlink, to provide indication that "a new article is needed" or that there is "a need to create a redirect to another article, but only if that article comprehensively deals with the topic". As Aleš Vovk is known for being a member of Maraaya and participated in a notable contest (Eurovision Song Contest 2015) then correct procedure would be to redirect Aleš Vovk into the band's article. That my friend, would be following the correct protocol. Wes Mouse ✒ 02:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

• And just for the record, a simple Google search for both artists do come up with results and sources to verify their dates of birth. One just needs to use persistence and browse through the first few sets of results to find reliable sourcing. Here's Aleš Vovk - Raay. Marjetka Vovk appeared courtesy of Google themselves. Wes Mouse ✒ 03:12, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@Wesley Mouse: I'm getting a little tired of your officious manner. Firstly, I do not work in the area of Eurovision... which appears to be your primary interest. I've wasted an inordinate amount of time in this banter with you when I spend much of by time mediating on articles surrounding events in Eastern Europe, the Balkans (including Kosovo), as well as Middle Eastern current affairs, etc. where my skill set is needed. As demonstrated, I had asked Jjj1238 to provide reliable sources at the beginning of March, noting that they do not have to be English language sources. I actually had no time or interest in finding such sources because, in as much it is asked that contributors make an effort to find sources themselves, what I have time and inclination to do depends on me (i.e.,WP:NOTCOMPULSORY, therefore the burden falls back on Jjj1238 to find the sources). The fact that you've done so, well that's lovely for you both. Meanwhile, I'm returning to articles with a traffic of hundreds of POV edit warriors, socks, meat and everything else under the sun try to do their WP:NINJA routine on a daily basis. Happy editing. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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Translation help

Jjj, you can speak French fluently, right? Would you be able to translate an article on French Wikipedia, into English? Grèce au Concours Eurovision de la chanson 2013 is of GA standard, whilst our own Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2013 is a mere stub. I've tagged the English article for translation expansion, but my French is a little bit rusty (not used it in 23 years). You don't have to work on it, but thought it would be an opportunity of a potential GA article under your belt. Wes Mouse ✒ 14:04, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Maarja-Liis Ilus

I've been following MOS:BIO. If yo u look at so many other cases where a person was born in one of the former Soviet republics nefore the fall of the Soviet Union, it either states that it was a part of the SU at the time or it states that the person was born in _____ (insert the place), _______ SSR (insert the name of the Soviet republic). Check out Darius Kasparaitis, Dmitri Khristich, Igor Larionov, Artūrs Irbe, Dainius Zubrus just to name a few. Those example clearly prove my point. Norum 23:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Give it a rest, you have been disruptively beating this dead horse for far too long. Those bios you cite are all ice hockey players and WP:ICEHOCKEY have their own particular way. All other BLPs covered by WP:ESTONIA list "Estonia" as the birth place since the person infobox guide requires sovereign state as birth place, and everybody knows that the Soviet Union never acquired sovereignty over the Baltic states while the pre-war republics continued to exist de jure. --Nug (talk) 10:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

First of all, Nug, mind your own business. Don't reply to messages that were not posted on your profile. Second of all, stop denying the fact that Estonia was part of the Soviet Union until its break up in 1991. ...as the birth place since the person infobox guide requires sovereign state as birth place.... Exactly, thank you for proving me right. SU was the sovereign state, estonia was a part of it. Therefore, those people were still born in the Soviet Union. Norum 16:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't going to get involved with this but now I feel I must. Norum, please stop. Nug is correct and there's nothing wrong with them answering on my talk page. If you'd like to continue this discussion I'd like to politely ask you to do it elsewhere. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:24, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

He is the one causing havoc, despite the fact he is incorrect. Estonai WAS NOT an independent country and until 1991 it was a part of the Soviet Union. Please, do explain how Estonia and the rest of the Blatic states were different from any other (former) Soviet Republic? ..... That's what I though...there is no difference, they all had the same status. They all were part of the Soviet Unuin. Nug needs to stop this nonsense. Also, I asked you, not Nug. You cant expect me to ask you a question on his profile...smh....Norum 19:46, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't want to make this sound personal, but as a Baltic person myself, it's kinda offensive. The Baltic states were illegally taken over by the Soviet Union and places like the United States didn't recognise their illegal annexation. Also, it doesn't matter what you believe is right or not. WikiProject:Estonia states that the birthplaces should be listed as Estonia not Estonian SSR, Soviet Union, etc. Since every article having to do with Estonia falls under WikiProject:Estonia, we must listen to their rules. If you continue to add the USSR on any Baltic person's birthplace, it'll be removed and eventually you're going to end up getting yourself banned. And by the way, there is nothing wrong with someone else answering on someone's talk page. It's completely normal and shouldn't be thought of as odd. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:23, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I did not mean to sound offensive or anything. The point is that people like Nug keep denying historical facts that Estonia was a part of the USSR. Georgia was in exactly the same situation as the Baltic states. Norum 21:24, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I understand that you meant no harm but arguing on my talk page will solve nothing. This is a WikiProject:Estonia policy that will not be changing anytime soon. I hope you can understand that. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I just reversed my previous entries. Smarter person has to let it go. So let Nug and others have it their way if they really insist. Norum 22:58, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Ellie Goulding

A discussion on whether or not to include the information is now open at Talk:Ellie Goulding#Dating history. Please feel free to contribute. This is Paul (talk) 12:32, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry

I think it was my fault for using a silly edit summary on Halsey (singer). It was a reference to The Famous Polka by They Might Be Giants which is a song about trying to forge a link between things which are not really linked by invoking trivial, meaningless and coincidental similarities. It was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw that silly edit but, in retrospect, I guess nobody else had a clue what I meant. ;-) --DanielRigal (talk) 11:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Haha don't worry. It was my mistake. I got tripped up seeing your revision and thought you were adding that information instead of removing it. No worries. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 11:47, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Miss Universe

Why don't you read the talk page yourself? When you do that, you will see a discussion about the necessity of proper sources conform WP:RS. That is exactly what I was doing. The second part is worked on by a now blocked sock puppet.

I hope you do not want to promote sock puppetry and unsourced info when the need for sources is clear. The Banner talk 20:15, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I have the talk page on my watchlist and I didn't remember seeing anything about removing this information, so I'm sorry for just assuming that you were making random spur of the moment edits. But the thing is I believe a chart of the amount of wins per country would be something beneficial for the article. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:18, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Just above: "Request for comment: Miss Universe 2015" The Banner talk 20:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Marie Serneholt

If you want to, please take a look at this weeks TAFI selected article, which is Marie Serneholt.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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Minus One Band Wiki page

Dear Jjj, I noted that you deleted the content I posted. I am the manager of the band, and the source of the information are the members of the band! Should I add their names as reference? Regarding the format, it is strange that you state it is not in accordance with Wiki standard but I will read again the instructions. Regards. Giampiero Soncini GPS001 (talk) 14:49, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, if you're the manager of the band then it appears we have a conflict of interest. @Wesley Mouse:, how should this be handled? { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, to write a bio, you have to be either yourself or one who knows you, so a conflict may always be there. In any case I have re-edited the whole page, eliminating all comments and going to bare facts. Hope is ok otherwise I will correct it again. Thanks for your time, sorry for issues Giampiero Soncini GPS001 (talk) 20:27, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Jjj, page was deleted again but this time I was totally unable to understand how to contact the person who did it as his/her talk page did not contain anything which could have linked me. I do not really understand now how it is possible to insert the details of the members of the band, which appear to me to be in my second version quite neutral. I probably will ask Cyprus Broadcasting Corporation to do it, if this source appears to be neutral enough. Otherwise... boh? Regards GPS001 (talk) 21:56, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

No, the page is not deleted. I have removed personal information that was unsourced. That can be removed due to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Secondly, the norm is one article, one subject. Instead of adding some info about the band members, you were creating little articles about them. You also created a semi-article about the band "Marianne’s Wish". That also fell foul of the above norm. The external link made it too close to advertising, especially with your clear Conflict of Interest.

What every article on Wikipedia needs are reliable sources to verify facts and notability (existing is not the same as notability). That is described here: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. In general: articles need independent (not in any way related to the subject), reliable (no social media), prior published sources. The Banner talk 22:37, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• A conflict of interest should be avoided at all times, especially as it has been noted that the editor is the band's manager, which makes the edits almost certainly paid editing. Anyone who has a conflict of interest and continues to edit the article can be sanctioned with indefinite loss of editing privileges. However, the editor can ask for someone else to make an edit on their behalf by posting {{request edit}} on the article talk page, this avoids conflict of interest very easily. I would suggest that Jjj takes this matter to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard where an administrator will happily intervene and if GPS001 fails to conply with the Wikipedia rules, then they will take whatever action is appropriate. Wes Mouse ✒ 10:59, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for explanations, very appreciated. I am new to all this, thus my mistakes. I thought that saying who I was confirmed the "good faith" requested by the rules. I also thought that the info about education and previous experiences of the members of the band was what was needed. I looked into many pages of rock bands and they contain more (in general) or less the same details. I tried to make sure not to repeat the mistake I did with the first time I inserted information which was indeed full of too many "compliments" (I copied from a text I had received), and I though the the second edition was based on pure facts. I can obviously remove the details about Marianne's Wish (the band anyway does not exist anymore). I am still not sure on how to write about them, but I will do some more comparisons with similar pages, and I will ask a neutral third party (Cyprus TV) to write the information and publish it. I hope they can be considered a "non conflict of interest" writer. Again, thanks for help, sorry for issues, I love Wiki so for sure I want to abide to the rules. GPS001 (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

JJj1238, considering that the actual text in the page was not written by me, and that I am not writing anything anymore as I am not authorized, I will be thankful if the banner (almost bigger than the actual page content) stating that the content of the page is written by somebody connected with the band (which thus is not true, I have no idea who wrote it, maybe somebody connected with Eurovision?) could be removed. Thanks. GPS001 (talk) 19:25, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Jamie-Lee Kriewitz

Hi. I am just informing you that I removed the part of which you said she was born in 1999 as well as saying she is 16/17. According to sources from December, she was 17 years old, however, we do not know if she has had her birthday since then, therefore making it possible she was born in 1998. We must have a source saying she was born in 1999, otherwise we can only have our source for saying she is seventeen years old.

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Albin Johnsén

Thanks for your note about the two Albins. Now I have created a page for the correct Albin, namely Albin Johnsén who had a number 1 hit with "Din soldat" and is very notable. Thanks again. werldwayd (talk) 20:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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I am trying to improve the article about Molly Sandén. If you have any suggestions or edits that can be done please do :) As she is the likely winner of Melodifestivalen any improvement is welcomed. Thanks.BabbaQ (talk) 21:57, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Charts

The Melodifestivalen songs has all bee released now. All finalists will all chart within days. It will be interesting to see who fairs the best.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Who do you think will win it? If you'd ask me a month ago I'd say hands down Molly Sandén, but after hearing the song and seeing her performance I'm starting to not think so. I think Wiktoria could be the dark horse and win it all. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

We share the same opinion :) I also think Wiktoria will win the final. Other front-runners are Ace W and Oscar Z. But Wiktoria for me has the best song! It will be a very interesting final. I think Mollys song is decent, but not special enough to win. I am quite disappointed with her song to be honest, it starts and then ends suddenly without anything being really interesting. But I would not be surprised if she won either, she is popular here (for some reason) and could win the televoting on fame alone. But Wiktoria can win Eurovision for sure, she had incredible stage presence. --BabbaQ (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

My personal favorite to win is Lisa Ajax, I love this type of music and I'm also a big fan of one of the songwriters, Sara Forsberg. I don't think she will though. Some other acts in the final I like are Oscar Zia, Robin Bengtsson, Frans, and of course Wiktoria. I also really like Samir & Viktor, Isa, and Albin & Mattias. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:21, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

One dark horse is Robin B. I think he could possibly win, the song is very clean and nice I also think Constellation Prize can win ESC. I don't know about you, but I think that the songs chosen so far for ESC are overall quite boring and very mainstream. Nothing really pops out as special, it mostly sound like average radio pop/soul. So several of the Melodifestivalen songs could make an impact in Stockholm. Interesting.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:54, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree many of the songs chosen so far are a bit bland (although I do love a lot of them), but I don't think we're going to be able to win again. In my opinion, this is a weak Melodifestivalen year and there's some extremely strong songs in other national finals. If I had to guess, I'd say Latvia (no bias :P ) or Poland will end up winning. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I have to disagree with you about that. I think this year Melodifestivalen has more good songs in the final than in the last few years. Five or more are vying for the win and are actual potential winners. And a few of them I can see even winning or atleast doing a good result at ESC. But it will be difficult to predict who will win. Wiktoria, Ace, Robin, Oscar, Molly, and possibly Frans all are potential winners. I think it could come down to a few points here and there between a number of songs, exciting. And then we still have dark horses like David and Lisa, and possibly Isa and Molly PH that could surprise everyone if they make it to the final. I think that Poland could be in for a great year, no matter if they chose Margaret or Edyta they will surely be up there fighting for the win in Stockholm. I still hope though that Edyta will win, it would be nice with a comeback for her. BabbaQ (talk) 00:48, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I mean, I still think Melodifestivalen 2016 is one of the strongest national finals of the year (as it always is), I just think this year isn't as good as some other years have been. Of course there're several songs that can definitely get a good placing at ESC, but I stand by myself saying I don't think any of them are winners. The final in two weeks should be really interesting though, I really have no idea who'll win. Personally, I prefer Margaret a lot more over Edyta. Edyta would probably be around my third place. Margaret and Natalia Szroeder are by far my favorites. But I'm pretty sure Margaret will end up winning, and with a good live performance I see her doing very well in May. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 01:27, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

LoveWave

Hey Jjj1238. Hope you're well. I see you're uploading artworks for this year's Eurovision songs and I have a small request. Could you please upload the artwork for Armenia's song? (here's the link to the artwork [1]). Thanks in advance :) --Eurofan88 (talk) 13:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Done :) { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 19:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Songs

Seems like all the songs that has qualified for the Melodifestivalen final has charted. Could we bring them back. :)--BabbaQ (talk) 20:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Yup :P { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:23, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Info

Can anything be done with the info in this source. At the If I Were Sorry article.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure, as Spotify charts are not notable enough to be included in the chart's section of an article. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 23:31, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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Vandalism / BLP violations

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Jamal. The source clearly says her mother is Armenian. Either you don't understand Russian and should not edit using Russian sources, or you do understand it and are deliberately falsifying information. Jeppiz (talk) 01:26, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

What? I just added back what has been there forever until some random user changed something. I'm from Latvia, I speak fluent Russian. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)